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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 09:15 #1

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Utter bollocks.
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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 10:22 #2

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What's with that Luke dude....I mean, hey, first he's at Elizabeth's house snooping a conversation between her and Mary, when the baby leaped in her womb, then he was at the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, in a stable, then he was there when Jesus was a young boy who impressed priests.

And that's all we know of Jesus until he was 30 :dunno:

Maybe he's the real daddy, is that the plot. who done it?
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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 10:26 #3

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Odd though, it just happened to be the womb leaping baby that baptised Jesus 30 years later, I guess Luke was there too....
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Luke was also snooping Zechariah when the angel visited him and told him that Elizabeth would have a child, which she did too, without conception.

So god had two sons on Earth....

Luke was there when the Angel visited Mary, snooping as usual.

According to his passage, Mary had no husband when she was visited by the Angel Gabriel in the ''city'' of ''Nazareth''. Just betrothed.

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” 35 And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 ¶ And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
– Luke 1:26-38

Liz is her cousin, or other kin, they both have sons from god, and Luke snoops them both out... :dunno:

Maybe we're meant to find out who's screwing these ladies? Luke looks like the likely candidate. Maybe he's got an angel fetish and puts his wings on to have his fun?
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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 11:24 #5

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If Mary was still in the betrothed stage and not married to Joseph at the time of her pregnancy, then she'd be still living with her father as her guardian. if she's cohabiting with Joe, then they must have been married.

So, who was Mary living with? Would tell us if she was married to Joe at the time or simply betrothed.
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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 11:39 #6

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Anyway, back to Luke, so according to this webpage Mary walked 3/4 days to visit Elizabeth and Zach, so if Luke was there he must have stalked her along...and she stayed there for 3 months, so not living with Joe but we don't know who she lived with when not on visits....hmmmm :ponda:

Six months later, Jesus is born...this means she must have been visited by the Angel when she was at Liz & Zach's place,

But Luke was there, again.and both ladies unexpectedly become pregnant.
Mary traveled a 3-4 day walk to the “hill country” outside of Jerusalem from her home in Nazareth.

While visiting, both Mary and Elizabeth are “filled with the Holy Spirit.” You can read what happens in Luke 1. After staying with Elizabeth and Zachariah for 3 months, Mary goes to her own home. Six months later baby Jesus is born. Joseph and Mary were about a 3-4 days walk away from each other when Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost.pastorharness.com/2015/12/05/they-did-not-live-together/
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THE NT BOOKS:

MARK:

The gospel of Mark was written in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form that we are familiar with. The earlier version was called ‘Ur Marcus’ and is also known/called ‘Q’ (for ‘Quelle’, which is German for the ‘source’).


Our latest findings regarding the early version of Mark show that this was written at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most likely did not give a name to the ‘messiah’. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played ‘Jesus’ in the Gospels - Arrius Piso

The version that we are familiar with was written about the year 73 CE by Arrius Calpurnius Piso. Arrius Piso was a Roman on his father’s side, but a descendant of King Herod on his mother’s side and therefore he knew well about the Jewish religion. He was also a close relative to the Flavians and even though secretly he could inherit and use the Flavian name by his mother’s descent from them, he gave a story about receiving it from the emperor Vespasian (in his other identity as Flavius Josephus).


MATTHEW:

Matthew too, was authored by Arrius Calpurnius Piso. This was written about the year 75 CE.


LUKE:

Was written 85-90 CE by Arrius C. Piso and Pliny the Younger.


JOHN:

The 4th Gospel, or the Gospel of John was written by Justus Calpurnius Piso, a son of Arrius C. Piso. This son was very much like this father in his hatred towards humanity. This Gospel was written circa 105 CE.


ACTS:

The Acts of the Apostles was written by Arrius Piso and his son Justus, with some help from Pliny the Younger 96-100 CE. By the way, there is a portion of Acts that is missing from most English translations/interpretations. That is the 29th Chapter, which has 10 verses.


ROMANS:

The epistle to the Romans was written by another son of Arrius Piso (Proculus Piso) and Claudia Phoebe about the year 100. Claudia Phoebe is known in history as the wife of the emperor Trajan (as Pompeia Plotina). She wrote the last few verses of this epistle, which many copies of the NT in English leave out because that portion was written by a woman. This is obvious, and she even gives her name as ‘Phoebe’. You can tell where the previous male author leaves off and the female author begins because the male author “signs off” with ‘Amen’. She wrote the last verses (25-27) of Romans, Chapter 16.


1st CORINTHIANS, GALATIONS, and EPHESIANS:

were all written between 100-103 CE by Pliny the Younger.


2nd CORINTHIANS and PHILIPPIANS:

were written by Justus C. Piso between 103-105 CE.


COLOSSIANS:

was written by Justus C. Piso and his son Julianus (Julianus was the father of the emperor Marcus Aurelius, but this is seen in history only by his use of another name ‘Verus’).


1st TIMOTHY:

was written by Pliny the Younger circa 105 CE.


2nd TIMOTHY:

was written by Justus C. Piso (also known in history by other names), c. 107 CE.


1st and 2nd THESSALONIANS:

were written by Justus C. Piso and his son Julianus with some help from his nephew Silanus between the years 105-110 CE.


TITUS:

was written by Pliny the Younger circa 103-105 CE.


PHILEMON:

was written by Justus C. Piso and his son Julianus.


JAMES:

was written by Justus C. Piso around 110 CE.


1st and 2nd PETER:

were written by Proculus Piso between 110-115 CE.


1st, 2nd and 3rd JOHN:

were written by Julius Calpurnius Piso (who was still another son of Arrius Calpurnius Piso), between 110-115 CE.


JUDE:

was written by Julius C. Piso also, between the years 110-115 CE.


THE REVELATION OF JOHN THE DIVINE:

was written by Julius Calpurnius Piso, who may have been the son of the other Julius Calpurnius Piso (who had the same name), and this was written in or about the year 137 CE. It was not the book of the NT, just written as the end of the story.


HEBREWS:

This was written by a grandson of Arrius Piso named Flavius Arrianus circa 140 CE. Flavius Arrianus was the real name of the historian who wrote as ‘Appian’. This person was the half-brother of the emperor Antoninus Pius. Antoninus Pius, by the way, also wrote history under the name of Suetonius. Flavius Arrianus also wrote other works, most notably, he wrote under the name of ‘Ptolemy’.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso01.htm

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The Bible 15 Jul 2018 23:18 #8

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The Bible 17 Jul 2018 23:34 #11

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Slightly changing the subject Google reminds me its Georges Lemaitre's Birthday.

Like im spose to give a fuck.

But proving scientism gets its ideas out the Bible & before that Egypt with Aton (Atom) creation myth where he wanks himself into creation.

I just got to show this to Lemaitre's Death cult. :cool:

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The Bible 18 Jul 2018 09:06 #12

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exilium wrote:
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Slightly changing the subject Google reminds me its Georges Lemaitre's Birthday.

Like im spose to give a fuck.

But proving scientism gets its ideas out the Bible & before that Egypt with Aton (Atom) creation myth where he wanks himself into creation.

I just got to show this to Lemaitre's Death cult. :cool:


Very clever Por, windows to the sould indeed, nice one,

Thanks Gan glad you enjoyed.

Heres a decent fractal 4k zoom. Mandelbrot very similar to a mandala. :)

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That's the worst post I've read from you to date. 'independent' means not influenced by other researchers at the time, in this context, it means they have reviewed the evidence from their own pov, found their own results.

If you disagree with their conclusions that's fine, but altering the English language to make a point and silly alluding about what Jews were doing is being stupid.

Once I see posters breaking down words or altering them to make a point, I usually put them into my ''here's another cranky fucker'' bucket.
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Slightly changing the subject

Aka derailing the thread.
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I rather think people who set out to make honest studies and revisionism (not holocaust denial where they have a conclusion to reach in place from the outset) aren't led to conclusions by others..

In other words, if you got a history professor who didn't study Roman/Christian matters. Someone who was objective, and you gave them what is available to read about the Flavians, and the narrative of Christ, and the backdrop of the environment in those days between Jews and Romans, with the Roman invasion of Judea and the Jewish backlash and disgruntlement.

And you say to that professor, use your technique and report your conclusions, but you ensured that the professor had not been exposed to the conclusions of others, and he came to the same conclusion as others, as far as i'm concerned that's independent.

Now, if there's someone working in the US, and someone working in Australia on the same matter, and they don't know each other but they have both read the books of the NT and that of the Josephus, and they publish their conclusions, and their conclusions are the same or very similar, the two independent sources of study are in agreement. Not only that but the two narratives can even be viewed by the layman, and it's not utterly beyond the man in the street to see the parallels.

So not only is it obvious to the average person, independent studies have also agreed.

To undermine that by stating we're all as one so nobody is independent, and then altering the meaning of independent to in-dependent, is being silly. Seems to me that you've already decided that the story of Christ is in the stars, and thus you want to undermine this Flavian parallel/sequence of events in order to protect your own conclusions. Thus you want to display independence as in-dependence, and subjective study as if it spawned from a poisoned well at source, or tainted by subjection.. When in fact it's simply people comparing the narratives in two books and finding a sequence of events in both running as a parallel, the only difference being, one book is a military campaign, the other a pacifist campaign. All aimed at taking the aggression away from the Judean fight back, and at the same time, sneakily making the Caesar the man behind the pacifist avatar and thus the victim of the Jews.

it's as clear as day to anyone with enough brain power to see it, a piece of Roman propaganda that still survives to this day.
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Slightly changing the subject

Aka derailing the thread.

The topic is the bible so my post was well relevant about the big bang & creation story.

Ive already posted the Flavian Christianity video on here before, hardly some big revelation.
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The point of the thread is to discuss the book the bible, the contents and authorship, not all this stuff about the public/global warming/independent/and videos that are not on topic.

it's like discussing a potato here then arguing that it is/is not gods creation so justifying it's inclusion of discussion here. The thread is off topic now so well done. I shan't converse with either of you again.
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I'm done with you.
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Anyway, back to ''the bible'',

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The question of what happened in the missing years between the 'ministry of jesus' and the writing of the NT?
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