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TOPIC: Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings

Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 13:12 #1

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Smeagol is is the Jew in the story. This central character in Lord of the Rings is an "anti-semitic" (ADL definition) portrait of the (money-hording, homeless, wandering, anti-social, deformed, despicable, betraying, rightly outcast) Jew.  Smeagol is the literary product of an English tradition of academic "anti-semitism" (again, ADL definition) for the Jewish defilement of the UK's "Eden".
In Jewish tradition, the golem is most widely known as an artificial creature created by magic, often to serve its creator. The word "golem" appears only once in the Bible(Psalms139:16). In Hebrew, "golem" stands for "shapeless mass." The Talmud uses the word as "unformed" or "imperfect" and according toTalmudic legend, Adam is called "golem," meaning "body without a soul" (Sanhedrin 38b) for the first 12 hours of his existence. The golem appears in other places in the Talmud as well. One legend says the prophet Jeremiah made a golem However, some mystics believe the creation of a golem has symbolic meaning only, like a spiritual experience following a religious rite.

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Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 13:39 #3

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Gee ... a pro-Jew, pro-gay, pro-mass immigration, anti-white, anti-German, cultural Marxist troll ... where oh where does hasbara find them? :hahano:

Gollum deliberately led Frodo Baggins into the lair of the giant spider, Shelob, in hopes of recovering the One Ring. The Jew Smeagol's plan was foiled when Samwise Gamgee badly injured Shelob with Frodo's Elvish dagger, Sting, and the Phial of Galadriel.



...all so Jew Smeagol could steal "the precious" GOLD RING from Frodo.
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Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 13:52 #4

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I've seen these "hidden messages in movies" ideas presented far better than this. Ffs, you've not even included an 8 hour youtube video describing your research endeavours.
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Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 18:39 #5

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The Riddle of Gollum

Was Tolkien Inspired by Old Norse Gold, the Jewish Golem, and the Christian Gospel?


''Tolkien's sources for Gollum were most likely the same as his sources for ents--his love
of word origins (philology), literature (poetry and prose), and life (personal experience).

Gollum's precursor in Tolkien's writings was a creature named "Glip." Gollum got his
name from the sound he made when he spoke, "the horrible swallowing sound in his
throat." The hypothesis of Douglas Anderson, who annotated The Annotated Hobbit, is
that Tolkien got the name Gollum from gull or goll, the Old Norse word for gold.

One inflected form would be gollum (gold, treasure, something precious).

Another hypothesis is that Tolkien got the name Gollum from the Jewish Golem.
The word golem occurs once in the Bible (Psalm 139:16) and is the origin of the
Golem in Jewish folklore.
The Gospel entered the story when Tolkien revised The Hobbit in 1951;
Gollum becomes a fallen Hobbit in need of pity and mercy.

The Precursor to Gollum: Glip

The precursor to Gollum in Tolkien's writings was a creature named "Glip." Glip
is one of a series of poems called Tales and Songs of Bimble Bay.
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The poem is undated,
but was probably written around 1928. Keep in mind that Tolkien first wrote the
sentence, "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit," late in 1929.3 Here is an excerpt
from Tolkien's poem:4
Under the cliffs of Bimble Bay
Is a little cave of stone
With wet walls of shining grey;
And on the floor a bone
A white bone that is gnawed quite clean
With sharp white teeth.
But inside nobody can be seen --
He lives far underneath,
Under the floor, down a long hole
Where the sea gurgles and sighs.
Glip is his name...
And Glip listens, and quietly slips
And lies in shadow by.
It is there that Glip steals his bones.
He is a slimy little thing
Sneaking and crawling under fishy stones,
And slinking home to sing
A gurgling sound in his damp hole;
But after the last light
There are darker and wickeder things that prowl
On Bimble rocks at night.

Many aspects of Gollum's persona, as seen in The Hobbit, are already established
in the character of Glip:
● Where he lives -- in "a little cave of stone," "far underneath, down a
long hole where the sea gurgles," "his damp hole"
● His invisibility -- "inside nobody can be seen." He "quietly slips and lies
in shadow by."
● What he looks like when seen -- "a slimy little thing sneaking and
crawling," "slinking"
● What he sounds like -- singing "a gurgling sound"
In the first edition of The Hobbit Tolkien wrote that he got the name "Gollum"
(1937) from this "gurgling sound." In Tolkien's words, "Gollum" describes "the horrible
swallowing noise in his throat", that Gollum makes when he speaks.5
Indeed, "That is
how he [Gollum] got his name, though he always called himself 'my precious'."


Old Norse Gold

The hypothesis of Douglas Anderson, who annotated The Annotated Hobbit, is
that Tolkien got the name "Gollum" from Old Norse "Gold."6
The Old Norse word gull
means "gold." In the oldest manuscripts it is spelled goll. One inflected form would be
gollum, "gold, treasure, something precious." It can also mean "ring," as is found in the
compound word fingr-gull, "finger-ring." These are points that may have occurred to
Tolkien.
Old Norse mythology was certainly one of Tolkien's many sources for the riddle
contest between Bilbo and Gollum. Word combats with deadly outcomes are common in
Old Norse literature.7 A riddle contest with Odin is prominent in The Saga of King
Heidrik the Wise.
8 Old English literature is another source for the riddle contest. The
largest manuscript of Anglo-Saxon poetry, The Exeter Book, contains 95 riddles. Bilbo's
second riddle, "sun on the daisies," is a play on the word daisy, which was originally
"day's eye" (dæges éage) in Old English.

The Jewish Golem

An alternative hypothesis is that Tolkien got the name "Gollum" from the Jewish
"Golem." Golem comes from a Hebrew word that occurs once in the Old Testament
(Psalm 139:16): "Your eyes saw my unformed substance," the word root for substance
being the consonants GLM in the Hebrew.12 The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible translates
the Hebrew word as "my imperfect being." Tolkien did have an interest in the Hebrew
language. He reported being "immersed in Hebrew," but in 1957, after The Hobbit and
The Lord of the Rings.
13 Tolkien did translate the book of Jonah in The Jerusalem Bible
(published in 1966), but "Not from the Hebrew direct!"14
Was Tolkien aware of the Jewish legend of the Golem? The Golem was a creature
of clay constructed to represent a human being and endowed with life, but without a soul.
The legendary Golem protected the Jews in the Ghetto.15
Was Tolkien influenced by Gustav Meyrink's The Golem, a famous fictional
treatment of the Golem first published in English in 1928?16 The Golem, a masterpiece of
fantastic fiction, is a supernatural novel (probably more to Charles Williams' taste!).
Tolkien read little contemporary fiction, but he did read fantasy and science fiction.17
Tolkien did not refer to Gustav Meyrink or the Golem in his writings (to the best of my
knowledge); however, the Oxford Christian writers could be secretive about their
sources. Michael Ward's Planet Narnia is a case in point.18
Gollum and the Golem have quite a few similarities, besides names that sound the
same. They are both creatures of the earth. They are both imperfect beings. They both can
become invisible; invisibility was a property of the Golem in some stories. Their magical
power can be inactivated. Finally, both are "humanoid but of unknown species."19
The Christian Gospel
In considering Gollum, Tolkien's Christian faith must also be taken into account.
Tolkien was "a Christian (which can be deduced from my stories), and in fact a Roman
Catholic."20 Tolkien said of The Lord of the Rings, that it "is of course a fundamentally
religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision."21
In the original edition of The Hobbit (1937), Gollum is clearly not a hobbit: "I don't know
where he came from or what he was."22 Only when Tolkien came to write the sequel, The
Lord of the Rings, did he have the inspiration to make Gollum a hobbit.23
Tolkien extensively revised the Gollum narrative in the second (1951) edition of
The Hobbit, so as to emphasize the wretchedness of Gollum and the pity of Bilbo.24 In
The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien gave Gollum a back history. Gollum had been a hobbit.
He had killed his own brother to get the ring. Gollum was a fallen hobbit (an everyman,
or an "everyhobbit") in need of pity and mercy, just as we are all sinners in need of God's
pity and mercy (Psalm 51, Luke 18:13,38-39).


Conclusion:

We have speculated on Tolkien's sources for the character Gollum. Tolkien's
conscious sources for Gollum were most likely the same as his sources for ents--his love
of word origins (philology), literature (poetry and prose), and life (personal experience).
Regarding the riddle of Gollum, it can be argued that three of Tolkien's primary sources
for Gollum were Old Norse gold, the Jewish Golem, and the Christian Gospel.

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Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 19:45 #6

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Seems a bit of a reach to be comparing the 2 when Tolkein wouldn't have even known who Begin was when he was creating the Smeagol character.
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Seems a bit of a reach to be comparing the 2 when Tolkein wouldn't have even known who Begin was when he was creating the Smeagol character.

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That Smeagol Golllem pic is from the film

Not sure what you mean really
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The OP is trying to make the case - albeit lamely - that Tolkein's character Smeagol is based on some kind of jewish stereotype involving sneakiness and cunning, while you seem to think that the portrayal of the character in a movie version of the book is based on a sneaky, cunning jew. Again, it seems a heck of a reach to be dredging a fantasy novel for more ways to slag off jews.
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Bram Stoker did it very well with Dracula. The Jewish written works on Dracula is "anti-semitic" are vast. Again, I've used the ADL definition of anti semitic which they developed to bury criticism of a Jewish serial child rapist and murderer from B'nai Brith.

Then there was the "inspiration" for Rumplestiltskin.

Tolkien is just another author who takes a thinly veiled swipe at Jewish behaviour.
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Smeagol: The Jewish "Gollum" Character in Lord of the Rings 06 Nov 2015 21:05 #10

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ragnarok wrote:
The OP is trying to make the case - albeit lamely - that Tolkein's character Smeagol is based on some kind of jewish stereotype involving sneakiness and cunning, while you seem to think that the portrayal of the character in a movie version of the book is based on a sneaky, cunning jew. Again, it seems a heck of a reach to be dredging a fantasy novel for more ways to slag off jews.

lots of movies are based on stereotypes

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Tolkien based the creature "The Gollum" on a South African Jewish fellow he met. The "Rings" trilogy of films, obviously have a pro White theme. I remember when the films first came out, there was disquiet amongst "anti fascist" and "Jewish" groups at the films "message" and popularity. These Tolkien books have been promoted for years by "Nationalist" and assorted "Right wing", and "rascist" groups!. Hence the displeasure of the Self Chosen Ones, and their "usefull idiot" stooges.
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lots of movies are based on stereotypes
So what? It doesn't make them anymore relevant to events going on in the real world.
These Tolkien books have been promoted for years by "Nationalist" and assorted "Right wing", and "rascist" groups!.
All the more reason to ridicule such suggestions.It's interesting how many of those who want to weave fictional characters into real world events also have a tendency to believe in religiotard-related bollocks.
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lots of movies are based on stereotypes
So what? It doesn't make them anymore relevant to events going on in the real world.
These Tolkien books have been promoted for years by "Nationalist" and assorted "Right wing", and "rascist" groups!.
All the more reason to ridicule such suggestions.It's interesting how many of those who want to weave fictional characters into real world events also have a tendency to believe in religiotard-related bollocks.

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Tolkien based the creature "The Gollum" on a South African Jewish fellow he met. The "Rings" trilogy of films, obviously have a pro White theme. I remember when the films first came out, there was disquiet amongst "anti fascist" and "Jewish" groups at the films "message" and popularity. These Tolkien books have been promoted for years by "Nationalist" and assorted "Right wing", and "rascist" groups!. Hence the displeasure of the Self Chosen Ones, and their "usefull idiot" stooges.

Tolkien was not really jew wise, just traditional catholic.
The dwarves are the jews in general in middle earth, not created by illuvatar.
Even kosher wikipedia writes, that the dwarves are the medieval jews, who have wives with beards, are greedy, lust for gold and diamonds. :chuckle:
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Interview with J.R.R. Tolkien:
First broadcast in January 1971 on the BBC Radio 4 programme 'Now Read On ...
'T: .. 'The dwarves of course are quite obviously - wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? ..

Their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic.
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'The dwarves of course are quite obviously - wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? ..
He doesn't sound too sure himself. If true, what a pussy he was, hiding his true feelings within a fantasy novel. He's no better than the writers of the reformed, masses friendly bible.
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100 People Detained for Comparing Erdogan to Gollum

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan reacts as he attends the COP 21 United Nations conference on climate change, on November 30, 2015 at Le Bourget. (AFP/Jacques Demarthon)
Almost 100 people have been taken into custody on charges of insulting President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in the past 10 months, according to a human rights report released by the Republican People’s Party (CHP) on Saturday.

The report, launched by CHP İstanbul deputy Sezgin Tanrıkulu, says 66 of the 98 people arrested were held on trial.

Recently, physician Dr. Bilgin Çiftçi was accused of insulting Erdoğan after sharing a meme comparing the president’s facial expressions to those of Gollum, a character in “The Lord of the Rings” movies. A court has demanded an expert examination of the films and Gollum’s character to determine whether a comparison with him is actually an insult.

In October, Çiftçi was expelled from the Public Health Institution of Turkey (THSK) after sharing the meme and allegedly insulting the president.

According to the report, 5,795 people were taken into custody — 982 of which were arrested — between January and Oct. 7, 2015 regarding issues pertaining to human rights.

The report also documents the climbing number of websites that have been blocked by a court order in recent years. Presenting a clear upward curve, it states that 15,562 websites were blocked in 2011, 22,536 in 2012, 35,000 in 2013, 40,773 in 2014 and 96,000 in 2015.

Hundreds of people have been charged and others detained after being accused of insulting Erdoğan since he was elected president in August 2014. Journalists and public figures critical of the government in particular have been targeted by the police and prosecutors on the grounds that they have insulted the head of state.
www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/06/100-people-detained-for-comparing-erdogan-to-gollum/

Nearly 100 people detained in ten months for insulting Turkey’s president
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Gollum has a better case for being defamed by the comparison.
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