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TOPIC: WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY

WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 12 Nov 2019 18:52 #1

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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 12 Nov 2019 21:29 #2

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I wonder if Hitler had as many unanswered questions about Christianity as I do? It's just hard for me to believe, an analytical thinking man like, Adolf Hitler would accept and defend orthodox Christianity w/o questioning it?
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 15 Nov 2019 16:49 #3

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I wonder if Hitler had as many unanswered questions about Christianity as I do? It's just hard for me to believe, an analytical thinking man like, Adolf Hitler would accept and defend orthodox Christianity w/o questioning it?

Christianity wants hard men, so as Hitler was a hard man it's only natural that he and all other hard men should like it..:)
As for "unanswered questions", what are they?
All the answers can easily be found in any slimline gospel like this one costing only a few pence from bookshops, or given away free by Christian groups, don't swallow the Estab bullshine that we need "years of bible study"..:)
That's why hard man ex-bounty hunter Paul had to warn people-
"I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)


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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 16 Nov 2019 06:37 #4

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I wonder if Hitler had as many unanswered questions about Christianity as I do? It's just hard for me to believe, an analytical thinking man like, Adolf Hitler would accept and defend orthodox Christianity w/o questioning it?



As for "unanswered questions", what are they?

No thanks!

We have been down that road before. All I got from you was esoteric biblical quotes, off topic pictures of "jesus' riding a motorcycle, and shallow arguments, and ridicule for even asking questions about Christianity.

I have come to realize, you cannot answer my questions.about Christianity
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 16 Nov 2019 13:54 #5

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..I have come to realize, you cannot answer my questions.about Christianity

Bollox, I've tried mate but you keep trying to argue with my answers..:)
Anyway Christianity is EASY for anybody to understand (ask any sunday school kid), so what do you need me for?
Basically if people LIKE Jesus they're at least halfway to the pearlies, but if they don't like him they haven't got a friggin chance of getting there, it's as simple as that..:)
Remember, the Estab hates Christianity, so it wants people to think they're too dumb to understand it without years and years of bible study blah-blah, and give up on it.

Suppose when you were in Nam with your blooper gun (below) and your lieutenant brought a FNG (new guy) to you and said "I want you to teach him how to use a blooper", you wouldn't say "Sorry it can't be done, he'd need weeks of weapon training and lecture courses in a classroom to learn how to use it".
No, in fact you'd simply say to the FNG something like- "This is the safety catch, this is the trigger, this is the ammo, load it like this and fire at this angle, there, now you know"..:)

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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 16 Nov 2019 20:27 #6

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Ugh wrote:
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..I have come to realize, you cannot answer my questions.about Christianity

Bollox, I've tried mate but you keep trying to argue with my answers..:)
Anyway Christianity is EASY for anybody to understand (ask any sunday school kid), so what do you need me for?
Basically if people LIKE Jesus they're at least halfway to the pearlies, but if they don't like him they haven't got a friggin chance of getting there, it's as simple as that..:)


As I have told you before, I don't need a third party to talk to God.

Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 16 Nov 2019 21:13 #7

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As I have told you before, I don't need a third party to talk to God.

If you mean we don't need Jesus, that's debatable..:)
For example if you wanted to call in an airstrike in Nam you'd have to go through a FAC (forward air controller) to request one, because you couldn't ring up the airbase yourself or they'd refuse to take your call.
Same with God, you could try ringing him but the first thing he's going to ask is "Are you a Christian?" and if you say "No" he'll regard you as an attempted gatecrasher and will say "Come back when you're a mate of my son", and hang up on you..

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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 17 Nov 2019 01:43 #8

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Ugh wrote:
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As I have told you before, I don't need a third party to talk to God.


Same with God, you could try ringing him but the first thing he's going to ask is "Are you a Christian?" and if you say "No" he'll regard you as an attempted gatecrasher and will say "Come back when you're a mate of my son", and hang up on you..

But, I am Christian, a Gnostic Christian.
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 19 Nov 2019 20:17 #9

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Ugh wrote:
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..I have come to realize, you cannot answer my questions.about Christianity


Basically if people LIKE Jesus they're at least halfway to the pearlies, but if they don't like him they haven't got a friggin chance of getting there, it's as simple as that..:)



If you cannot recognize God within you, If you cannot recognize that same God as being in others, you are by definition , a Godless person, regardless of whether you like Jesus, or not.
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 20 Nov 2019 11:53 #10

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peacenik wrote:
Ugh wrote:
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..I have come to realize, you cannot answer my questions.about Christianity

Bollox, I've tried mate but you keep trying to argue with my answers..:)
Anyway Christianity is EASY for anybody to understand (ask any sunday school kid), so what do you need me for?
Basically if people LIKE Jesus they're at least halfway to the pearlies, but if they don't like him they haven't got a friggin chance of getting there, it's as simple as that..:)


As I have told you before, I don't need a third party to talk to God.


So Jesus is an insurance broker :chuckle:
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 22 Nov 2019 21:47 #11

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peacenik wrote:
..I am Christian, a Gnostic Christian.

The JW's and Mormons and other cults and denominations call themselves christians too, but whether that makes them true christians or not is highly debatable.
I belong to no cult whatsoever, I'm a "free" Christian and don't need them to do my thinking for me because Jesus said- "Call nobody teacher except me" (Matt 23:8-10)

As regards Gnosticism, they're a "We don't need Jesus" cult-
"Gnosticism proclaims that salvation comes from inside, finding your true identity within"
www.christian.org.uk/resource/gnosticism/

So when gnostics get to the pearlies and God says- "I sent my Son to give his life for you, what do you mean you don't need him?", they better have a bleddy good answer ready.
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 22 Nov 2019 21:57 #12

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So Jesus is an insurance broker :chuckle:

In a sense yes, but he's also like a Vegas croupier who says "Place your bets"; and people can choose whether to put their money on him (the immortal Son of God) or some other religion or cult fronted by "holy men" who are all dead meat in boxes in graves somewhere, right Kid?

"Right"

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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 23 Nov 2019 21:07 #13

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'The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity'

www.richarddawkins.net/2014/12/did-historical-jesus-really-exist-the-evidence-just-doesnt-add-up/
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 23 Nov 2019 21:26 #14

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'The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity'

www.richarddawkins.net/2014/12/did-historical-jesus-really-exist-the-evidence-just-doesnt-add-up/

Ah, dear old Dickie Dawkins the atheist's golden boy, his arguments about Jesus have been blown out of the water time and time again, yet he refuses to admit defeat.
For example why on earth would anybody want to invent Christianity and get themselves thrown to the lions?

Stay down Dickie
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 24 Nov 2019 21:09 #15

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Why does everyone who disagrees with you have to be an, 'atheist', 'jesus hater', 'cultist', or 'leftist'? I am none of these. I am merely someone who does not buy into the, one God, one savior, fits all, paradigm.

I follow the advice of wise men, immemorable, I question everything. Orthodox Christianity is one of those things I question.
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 24 Nov 2019 22:30 #16

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Why does everyone who disagrees with you have to be an, 'atheist', 'jesus hater', 'cultist', or 'leftist'? I am none of these. I am merely someone who does not buy into the, one God, one savior, fits all, paradigm.
I follow the advice of wise men, immemorable, I question everything. Orthodox Christianity is one of those things I question.

Good for you mate, too many people let Organised Religion stand between them and Jesus like a roadblock, but we don't need them to do our thinking for us. Jesus said "You have one teacher, me"
Life is like 'Purple Heart Trail' full of booby traps, so I'll follow point man JC anytime to get us through..:)

"Thomas said to him, 'Lord, how can we know the way?'
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:2/6)


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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 30 Nov 2019 05:46 #17

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Every religious epiphany that anyone has ever had, no matter if it's in Christianity, Buddhism, or paganism, comes about when the individual realizes there is more to him or her, than just ego.

EXAMPLE: Guy finds Jesus in his life and it changes his life forever. That guy just experienced a religious apiphany, and the reason he did was because he realized he was much more than just ego.

EXAMPLE: Same with the girl who has attained the sate of 'Buddhi. in the Buddhist religion. She just experienced a religious epiphany, and the reason she did was because he realized she was much more than just ego.

The point being made is, you cannot have a religious epiphany if you allow your ego to rule your life.

You must understand, there is far more to you than anyone would allow you to know. You are much, much, more, than mere, ego.

Religious authority knows this. That's why they are always trying to make you think, you are less than what you are.
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 30 Nov 2019 14:26 #18

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I wonder if Hitler had as many unanswered questions about Christianity as I do? It's just hard for me to believe, an analytical thinking man like, Adolf Hitler would accept and defend orthodox Christianity w/o questioning it?

Indeed. In fact many of the leading National Socialists did question the Bible. It's not that any of them were against the moral principals of the better side of Christianity per se, of course not. They just separated the good from the bad.. i.s cast out all the Dogma and nonsense, which comes hand in glove with the bible and religion. They didn't throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. They knew elements of Christianity were important to law and order, and for a civil society. They also knew Christianity played an important role in the fight against Communism/Marxism. One must also bear in mind that 95% + of Germany and Europe were Christian or Catholic at the time. So they knew that keeping to the Christian faith favoured the way forward for them, and the people. That's not to say they were all devoted Christians. They weren't. Some of them had a keen interest in their pre-Christian European,/Germanic/Nordic and Aryan ancestry & History. And why wouldn't or shouldn't they, I say.
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^ Good to see you back on the board Z-man. :yes:
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WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIANITY 30 Nov 2019 16:57 #20

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