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Poll: What to do with Frothy?

Permaban him please for the love of god! 3 16.7%
Let him back in, no restrictions, freedom of expression is paramount 6 33.3%
Keep him perma-restricted to certain cats, eg public zone 7 38.9%
Let him serve out a 1 week sit out then back in 1 5.6%
Other (please state in a post) 1 5.6%
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TOPIC: What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership?

What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 19 Jun 2017 21:52 #41

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ok liz ive amended that vote of yours. :)
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 19 Jun 2017 22:59 #42

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Two more votes for the Special Handling Zone and there's an absolute majority for that.

Seems about the right time the democratic rulers close the poll then. :coolio:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 09:54 #43

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Thanks. But I don't need any praise for believing in the right thing.

Which other account said hokey btw?

Oh and to frothy... hi frothy :hi:

My mistake.

As I said I had been away and didnt realise Rotten had changed his name
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 09:56 #44

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Ah ok.
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 16:37 #45

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If he comes back here being allowed to do the same allover again then I will leave the forum. And will never post here again. He took things way too far this time around.

Freedom of expression being paramount DOES NOT give somebody a free pass to continue doing what he was doing against me. Neither does it give somebody the right to keep acting like a total dick.

:larf: :larf:

How many times have you said that now? :facepalm:

G'day entrangermercenary1.

The post has the appearance of those supposed feminist hissy fits.

And this classic .....

"It's now got to the point where it's damaging the atmosphere on forum."

Which is the same said by other forum members years ago about all of the Nazi/Adolf Hitler/Nationalism posts.

Interesting how the excuses for censoring/banning of others is always the same.

And yet each group claims to be 'different' from the other group.

:roflha:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, though names will never harm me. :dunno:

Maybe we have a group of forum members that require being put in a 'protected zone' so that their fragile 'feelings' are not exposed to [shock/horror] words. :O :umm: :roll:

Should we have a mob rule vote for it?

Of course, do not allow the forum member being judged by all to have a vote. :nono:

This forum is a democracy ... :D ... a closed group that outvotes the target of the witch hunt. :thumbup:

This is Christian National Socialism !!!

Who is going to be the next scapegoat? :dunno:

Is this equivalent of a Nazi book burning?

Words censored vs Words burned.

Ahhh, it must be a modern day Nazi book burning, internet style. :thumbup:

And Novum is carrying the torch.

Got any marshmallow's? :joint:

P.S. - how many will have a bitch about this post?

P.P.S. - they are the witch hunters. :thumbup:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 17:20 #46

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Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Please accept these words in appreciation of your self expression ...

INSIDE OF THEE

OPEN HEART, LOVING MIND,
A VOICE OF TRUTH FOR YOU TO FIND,
YOUR SELF EXPRESSION, A CHOICE TO BE,
ALL THAT IS INSIDE OF THEE.

SPARK OF LIFE, ESSENCE TRUE,
INSIDE ME AND INSIDE YOU,
IT IS OUR CHOICE TO ALLOW,
LOVE TO LIVE HERE AND NOW.

LOVE OF LIFE, LIFE OF LOVE,
A TRUTHFUL VOICE TO RISE ABOVE,
A LOVING MIND FOR YOU TO GIVE,
AN OPEN HEART FOR YOU TO LIVE.

SOURCE OF LIVING, FOREVER LIVING,
TO YOU AND ME FOREVER GIVING,
RESONATE FOR IT TO FLOW,
AND LOVE IT IS YOU'LL ALWAYS KNOW.

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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 17:44 #47

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How does my vote fit your typical fit, oh omniscient YHWH?


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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 20 Jun 2017 20:02 #48

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Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Abusing freedom of expression...


Some people are more emotionally equipped to handle freedom than others are. People emotionally equipped to handle freedom don't have a compulsion to lie, they don't get off on physically or verbally abusing people, they don't abuse people 's trust either. They don't intimidate, humiliate or belittle other people to force them to be silent. They don't act like greedy pigs at other's expense.

They police themselves from within. They have self control and confidence that comes with self awareness and empathy and the desire to improve the well being of others.

Some people don't desire to dominate relationships they are involved in. Some people are not afraid of losing, being wrong, looking 'weak' or having their own integrity doubted by others. Their personalities and personal flaws are less defended because the person accepts them and is aware of their own limits. They are well aware of their own autonomy and power to choose right and wrong. They are self aware, self responsible, compassionate and secure. Some people know how to share what they have and are oriented toward cultivating right relationships with others. They know how to be assertive without being aggressive. Some people have enough self control to handle freedom of speech and free association.

Other people can't cope with freedom, and beg by their actions and abusive speech to be limited in their freedoms. They readily use the noble idea of freedom as a rallying cry for the right to abuse, use,con,lie, torment or humiliate or mutilate others. They use freedom of speech as a cry for their own alleged right to verbally abuse others. They use freedom of association as a cry for the rights to use others to look "powerful" and con them with religion, promises they intend not to keep,scams or false hopes.

People with conduct disorders want the freedom to be intimidating, pushy, deceptive and cruel, and disrupt others' freedoms and relationships. They need to dominate and control social situations. These people can't handle freedom well. They are emotionally and socially screwed up.

They want to be free to abuse and manipulate other people around themselves and reduce other people's freedoms in the name of the bullies' sought-after authoritarian "freedom."

Tyrants, abusers, and bullies have problems with their own conduct in relationships of any kind. They are freedom killing, disruptive authoritarians, aggressive greedy and deceptive. A person who is behaving like a totalitarian, a bully, a dominator, a user or abuser is INCOMPATIBLE with a society that values freedom and democracy.

Yet taking an absolutist stance on 'freedom' ... preserves the bully's "rights" to abuse, as well as our own rights to relate to whom we wish to, and to speak our minds.

It was said by the anthropologist who studied a very aggressive and abusive patriarchal tribe, the Yanomano, that in order for one segment of the population to dominate and know power over the "lessors," the other segment or "lessors" must be indoctrinated in cowardice.

It has always been this struggle in society ... what do we do with the bullies, exploiters and liars? Do we give them, rights and let them abuse our freedom ... so they can lie disrupt, foment hatred and abuse people? Or do we limit their damage? Restrict their freedoms?

In a small, close knit tribe where "leaders" have less power over the members and are held accountable by the force of close proximity to the populace, it might be possible to recognize problem people just by watching their habits. Then a population can purge its sociopaths and bullies by exile or by restriction, and maintain sociological health (that is, if bullies are not dominating the tribal government).

But in America, in this civilization gone insane, you can't just limit a bullies freedom without limiting your own freedoms. We are caught in a double bind here. And can we get ourselves out of it — and still be free? If so, HOW?

How can a distant uninvolved entity like the government recognize a conduct-disordered bully from someone who is just colorful and outspoken? The law is so easily made corrupted or too busy to give true justice..The government we allow is currently run by authoritarians, bullies liars and abusers. The people in the government have various conduct disorders; that is why we expect them to lie, expect them to exploit us and expect them to abuse our freedoms. This is why we do not trust the government to do much in the interests of maintaining civil freedoms from bullies. Better use those absolutist principles to restrict power-made authoritarians who are equipped with homeland security, FBI and CIA, and huge nuclear arsenals built with our tax money to restrict our freedoms and the freedoms of other nations.

You can risk your own comfy position and turn on the bullies around you with teeth and expose them, call them on their lies publicly, and denounce their sick disordered social control tactics, their greed and destroy their stranglehold over others. So that they know they are no lord or master over others ... It would be a constant fight to get conduct-disordered people to restrict themselves from within. But this is one way out of this "double bind" about freedom.

The other way out is slowly strangling and silencing your own humanity within, by betraying yourself from within. For America's top 1%, the most wealthy to be in the powerful position they are in today, the other 99% of the population of America has to have learned the lessons of cowardice.

A lot of sad, alienated, tired, insecure, overworked, guilty, confused, emotionally unstable, intellectually lazy, and fearful people who are emotionally unequipped for confronting an asshole boss, or an asshole kid, or an asshole spouse have given up freedoms. Especially if they are dependent upon the bully for a paycheck, a relationship, or if they are afraid of confrontation or deep down believe they can't change the situation.

When 1 in 4 Americans have some form of mental illness, it's a warning that our way of relating to each other socially is becoming very sick. I think it's a call from within to stand up and confront the bullies around us, the bullies we let be in power, the bullies who are making us all sick. I am referring to the corporate polluters, liars, con men, the advertisers, politicians, lobbyists, spin doctors, media whores, and all the other public abusers of trust, as well as the domestic bullies like spouse beaters, con men, the TV, school bullies, religious bullies, work bullies, parent bullies and social bullies.

Authoritarians can't self-police their own actions in society. They see no wrong in harming or using others or destroying the Earth for profit. Other people have to step up to control them and contain them or they will not stop.

A person's conscience (if they have one) can torment them emotionally from within, until they make things right with themselves. If you ignore your own conscience's convictions of your wrong actions and words long enough, you can condition yourself to become numbed to it. The cost of ignoring your own conscience is to become neurotic, dishonest, addicted, impulsive, passive aggressive, manipulating, secretive and insecure.

If you let bullies dictate how you live, if you let bullies lie and steal unchallenged, then you are setting yourself up for a big explosion someday — or for a free fall to the bottom. Or you just might lose your conscience, either momentarily or forever, when you choose to betray yourself in a fit of rage, frustration or despair. When you are down or shattered to bits inside, a bully does not care about your pain at all. He sees you as an all day sucker to exploit, or as a weak, pathetic loser. He thinks this way because he has no empathy for you.

Authoritarians, bullies, liars, users, abusers, con men, and control freaks are incompatible with notions of freedom and democracy in any civil society.

Yet there is another half of this sick equation: the enabling, passive cowardice of a population who accepts being exploited, and abused who are in the name of security,fear or just not wanting to get involved who are willing to throw away their consciences,empathy with others,determined to destroy mental health and civil society for a pittance and cling to absolutist principles because they don't want to risk doing anything others especially the bullies in this world might disapprove of. They don't want to risk more corrupting influences, to remove to corruption that is already there. This sad dynamic in passive people makes "the natural domination of sociopaths" in society possible.

Get honest and right with yourselves, people. Freedom for the World begins within YOU.

Fuck what others might think of you and those absolutist principals, and do what is right. Authoritarians, con men and bullies are by their nature incompatible with freedom and democracy in a civil society. They are the ones after power simply to abuse power and 'get away with it' who are stirring up free people to consider insane reactions.

Do not lose your freedom or your humanity for other bully people by letting them 'get away with it.'

Confront those who would warp and destroy freedom in the name of freedom.I don't care who they are or how 'powerful' you or they think they are . Do the right thing fearlessly. To not listen to your own conscience and to choose to not have self control, to avoid confrontation of a bully at all costs is what it takes to truly lose your freedom.

Just thought I'd remind everyone. Link
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 02:34 #49

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Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Abusing freedom of expression...


Some people are more emotionally equipped to handle freedom than others are. People emotionally equipped to handle freedom don't have a compulsion to lie, they don't get off on physically or verbally abusing people, they don't abuse people 's trust either. They don't intimidate, humiliate or belittle other people to force them to be silent. They don't act like greedy pigs at other's expense.

They police themselves from within. They have self control and confidence that comes with self awareness and empathy and the desire to improve the well being of others......

G'day Zorro.

Are you emotionally upset and couldn't deal with a positive self expression? :dunno:

That first paragraph obviously provides your self description. After all, you verbally abuse other forum members, you attempt to intimidate other forum members with threats of and/or censorship, therefore forcing them to be silent, you attempt to villify and demonise other forum members in an attempt to turn others against them.

And the second paragraph is obviously your agenda, to have other forum members "police themselves from within" and therefore self censor.

Thank you for reminding everyone. :thumbup:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 05:10 #50

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Zorro wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Abusing freedom of expression...


Some people are more emotionally equipped to handle freedom than others are. People emotionally equipped to handle freedom don't have a compulsion to lie, they don't get off on physically or verbally abusing people, they don't abuse people 's trust either. They don't intimidate, humiliate or belittle other people to force them to be silent. They don't act like greedy pigs at other's expense.

They police themselves from within. They have self control and confidence that comes with self awareness and empathy and the desire to improve the well being of others.

Some people don't desire to dominate relationships they are involved in. Some people are not afraid of losing, being wrong, looking 'weak' or having their own integrity doubted by others. Their personalities and personal flaws are less defended because the person accepts them and is aware of their own limits. They are well aware of their own autonomy and power to choose right and wrong. They are self aware, self responsible, compassionate and secure. Some people know how to share what they have and are oriented toward cultivating right relationships with others. They know how to be assertive without being aggressive. Some people have enough self control to handle freedom of speech and free association.

Other people can't cope with freedom, and beg by their actions and abusive speech to be limited in their freedoms. They readily use the noble idea of freedom as a rallying cry for the right to abuse, use,con,lie, torment or humiliate or mutilate others. They use freedom of speech as a cry for their own alleged right to verbally abuse others. They use freedom of association as a cry for the rights to use others to look "powerful" and con them with religion, promises they intend not to keep,scams or false hopes.

People with conduct disorders want the freedom to be intimidating, pushy, deceptive and cruel, and disrupt others' freedoms and relationships. They need to dominate and control social situations. These people can't handle freedom well. They are emotionally and socially screwed up.

They want to be free to abuse and manipulate other people around themselves and reduce other people's freedoms in the name of the bullies' sought-after authoritarian "freedom."

Tyrants, abusers, and bullies have problems with their own conduct in relationships of any kind. They are freedom killing, disruptive authoritarians, aggressive greedy and deceptive. A person who is behaving like a totalitarian, a bully, a dominator, a user or abuser is INCOMPATIBLE with a society that values freedom and democracy.

Yet taking an absolutist stance on 'freedom' ... preserves the bully's "rights" to abuse, as well as our own rights to relate to whom we wish to, and to speak our minds.

It was said by the anthropologist who studied a very aggressive and abusive patriarchal tribe, the Yanomano, that in order for one segment of the population to dominate and know power over the "lessors," the other segment or "lessors" must be indoctrinated in cowardice.

It has always been this struggle in society ... what do we do with the bullies, exploiters and liars? Do we give them, rights and let them abuse our freedom ... so they can lie disrupt, foment hatred and abuse people? Or do we limit their damage? Restrict their freedoms?

In a small, close knit tribe where "leaders" have less power over the members and are held accountable by the force of close proximity to the populace, it might be possible to recognize problem people just by watching their habits. Then a population can purge its sociopaths and bullies by exile or by restriction, and maintain sociological health (that is, if bullies are not dominating the tribal government).

But in America, in this civilization gone insane, you can't just limit a bullies freedom without limiting your own freedoms. We are caught in a double bind here. And can we get ourselves out of it — and still be free? If so, HOW?

How can a distant uninvolved entity like the government recognize a conduct-disordered bully from someone who is just colorful and outspoken? The law is so easily made corrupted or too busy to give true justice..The government we allow is currently run by authoritarians, bullies liars and abusers. The people in the government have various conduct disorders; that is why we expect them to lie, expect them to exploit us and expect them to abuse our freedoms. This is why we do not trust the government to do much in the interests of maintaining civil freedoms from bullies. Better use those absolutist principles to restrict power-made authoritarians who are equipped with homeland security, FBI and CIA, and huge nuclear arsenals built with our tax money to restrict our freedoms and the freedoms of other nations.

You can risk your own comfy position and turn on the bullies around you with teeth and expose them, call them on their lies publicly, and denounce their sick disordered social control tactics, their greed and destroy their stranglehold over others. So that they know they are no lord or master over others ... It would be a constant fight to get conduct-disordered people to restrict themselves from within. But this is one way out of this "double bind" about freedom.

The other way out is slowly strangling and silencing your own humanity within, by betraying yourself from within. For America's top 1%, the most wealthy to be in the powerful position they are in today, the other 99% of the population of America has to have learned the lessons of cowardice.

A lot of sad, alienated, tired, insecure, overworked, guilty, confused, emotionally unstable, intellectually lazy, and fearful people who are emotionally unequipped for confronting an asshole boss, or an asshole kid, or an asshole spouse have given up freedoms. Especially if they are dependent upon the bully for a paycheck, a relationship, or if they are afraid of confrontation or deep down believe they can't change the situation.

When 1 in 4 Americans have some form of mental illness, it's a warning that our way of relating to each other socially is becoming very sick. I think it's a call from within to stand up and confront the bullies around us, the bullies we let be in power, the bullies who are making us all sick. I am referring to the corporate polluters, liars, con men, the advertisers, politicians, lobbyists, spin doctors, media whores, and all the other public abusers of trust, as well as the domestic bullies like spouse beaters, con men, the TV, school bullies, religious bullies, work bullies, parent bullies and social bullies.

Authoritarians can't self-police their own actions in society. They see no wrong in harming or using others or destroying the Earth for profit. Other people have to step up to control them and contain them or they will not stop.

A person's conscience (if they have one) can torment them emotionally from within, until they make things right with themselves. If you ignore your own conscience's convictions of your wrong actions and words long enough, you can condition yourself to become numbed to it. The cost of ignoring your own conscience is to become neurotic, dishonest, addicted, impulsive, passive aggressive, manipulating, secretive and insecure.

If you let bullies dictate how you live, if you let bullies lie and steal unchallenged, then you are setting yourself up for a big explosion someday — or for a free fall to the bottom. Or you just might lose your conscience, either momentarily or forever, when you choose to betray yourself in a fit of rage, frustration or despair. When you are down or shattered to bits inside, a bully does not care about your pain at all. He sees you as an all day sucker to exploit, or as a weak, pathetic loser. He thinks this way because he has no empathy for you.

Authoritarians, bullies, liars, users, abusers, con men, and control freaks are incompatible with notions of freedom and democracy in any civil society.

Yet there is another half of this sick equation: the enabling, passive cowardice of a population who accepts being exploited, and abused who are in the name of security,fear or just not wanting to get involved who are willing to throw away their consciences,empathy with others,determined to destroy mental health and civil society for a pittance and cling to absolutist principles because they don't want to risk doing anything others especially the bullies in this world might disapprove of. They don't want to risk more corrupting influences, to remove to corruption that is already there. This sad dynamic in passive people makes "the natural domination of sociopaths" in society possible.

Get honest and right with yourselves, people. Freedom for the World begins within YOU.

Fuck what others might think of you and those absolutist principals, and do what is right. Authoritarians, con men and bullies are by their nature incompatible with freedom and democracy in a civil society. They are the ones after power simply to abuse power and 'get away with it' who are stirring up free people to consider insane reactions.

Do not lose your freedom or your humanity for other bully people by letting them 'get away with it.'

Confront those who would warp and destroy freedom in the name of freedom.I don't care who they are or how 'powerful' you or they think they are . Do the right thing fearlessly. To not listen to your own conscience and to choose to not have self control, to avoid confrontation of a bully at all costs is what it takes to truly lose your freedom.

Just thought I'd remind everyone. Link

What does this essay have to do with Frothy :dunno:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 08:13 #51

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G'day Annabelle.

Or this post, which is he full post I made that Zorro quoted from?

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Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Please accept these words in appreciation of your self expression ...

INSIDE OF THEE

OPEN HEART, LOVING MIND,
A VOICE OF TRUTH FOR YOU TO FIND,
YOUR SELF EXPRESSION, A CHOICE TO BE,
ALL THAT IS INSIDE OF THEE.

SPARK OF LIFE, ESSENCE TRUE,
INSIDE ME AND INSIDE YOU,
IT IS OUR CHOICE TO ALLOW,
LOVE TO LIVE HERE AND NOW.

LOVE OF LIFE, LIFE OF LOVE,
A TRUTHFUL VOICE TO RISE ABOVE,
A LOVING MIND FOR YOU TO GIVE,
AN OPEN HEART FOR YOU TO LIVE.

SOURCE OF LIVING, FOREVER LIVING,
TO YOU AND ME FOREVER GIVING,
RESONATE FOR IT TO FLOW,
AND LOVE IT IS YOU'LL ALWAYS KNOW.

:pass:

Guilt by association/inference. :roll:

As Zorro was unable to defend his chosen position rationally, with reason and logic, he makes the attempt to villify/demonise.

After all, it isn't as if Zorro and other forum members haven't hurled verbal abuse at other forum members. You are not supposed to recognise that though, instead you are supposed to grab a pitchfork and torch and join the witch hunt. :roll:

The irony of the title, "Abusing freedom of expression", appears to be lost on Zorro. The article calls for self censorship, "They police themselves from within", which is where the true "Abuse of self expression" is.

Remember, Zorro stated that he posted it to remind everyone ...

Remind ... Re = regarding ... Regarding the mind. Think this way. Conform.
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 08:47 #52

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Standard Operating Procedure ...
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They seemed to be surviving without deteriorating into complete chaos in Grenfell Tower before the night it went up in flames. Just because you and others can't get on with people different than you are, don't make the mistake of thinking everybody thinks like you do.

Oh STFU you pathetic snivelling anti-white racist Islam apologist

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... which comes from the, 'Third London terrorist attack ...', thread and was liked by Zorro.

Yet only some forum members are held to account for verbal abuse. :roll:

No personal bias, right?

From this thread ...
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As long as the cunt doesn't keep wasting my time by spreading his shit, I'm not fussed either way.

... Zorro shows his hypocrisy.

Verbal abuse aimed at another forum member.

What is the difference?

The one doing the verbal abusing. :thumbup:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 09:10 #53

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One whiner banned, but swiftly replaced by the next one.

Apart from number phantasies and vega propaganda, what have you actually added to TruthZone, I am? Pages full of this shit without end? :roll: Are you Blue_Bobby's Bisexual Brother, or what?

Get a fucking life. :facepalm:
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 12:19 #54

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Standard Operating Procedure ...
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They seemed to be surviving without deteriorating into complete chaos in Grenfell Tower before the night it went up in flames. Just because you and others can't get on with people different than you are, don't make the mistake of thinking everybody thinks like you do.

Oh STFU you pathetic snivelling anti-white racist Islam apologist

.....

... which comes from the, 'Third London terrorist attack ...', thread and was liked by Zorro.

Yet only some forum members are held to account for verbal abuse. :roll:

No personal bias, right?

From this thread ...
Zorro wrote:
As long as the cunt doesn't keep wasting my time by spreading his shit, I'm not fussed either way.

... Zorro shows his hypocrisy.

Verbal abuse aimed at another forum member.

What is the difference?

The one doing the verbal abusing. :thumbup:

I've made it quite clear before. It's not my place to moderate or play judge and jury for personal disputes between members. Whichever side of the fence they may be on. If one of my friends here says something which could be viewed as offensive or as provocative, and another member responds in kind, then they know better by now to come to me asking to intervene on their behalf. And most don't expect that of me btw. Most situations end up taking care of themselves without the need for moderation.

Moderators will only intervene when it's absolutely necessary, and if and when posts get reported. Particular favor and more leeway is also given to the host of a thread. e,g if the OP and host wants what they consider off topic, offensive, or abusive remarks moved from their own thread, then I'll do it for them. Hopefully that clears things up a bit better for you?

You seem to be asking me to do the very thing you accuse me of?

And no, I'm not getting emotionally upset over anything. That's just you and one or two others imagining things. Perhaps you need to give that dope a rest for a while, to help clear your head? Just a piece of friendly advice, that's all. No need to jump up and down and get your knickers all in a bunch and accuse me of trying to tell you what to do in your life. ;)

Edit, it's also my business who's posts I thank, and not yours.
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 13:18 #55

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The antagonism is long running between the two (Zorro and Ausrotten) and it runs both ways, the insults fly both ways, others insults toward him (and others) are liked, other members hurl insults and 'abuse', the standards Aurotten is being held to, ALL members, in fairness, should be held to as well, equally, is that happening? is that going to happen?

Zorro has stated that if one of the choices in the poll is re-implemented, that Ausrotten is allowed to return with no restrictions, due to freedom of expression, then he (Zorro) will leave the forum and never return..... thus Novum is publicly left with the choice of either, at the least, confining Aurotten permanently to the public zone or Zorro, Novum's moderator of the forum, who he has stated is going to stay moderator whether some members like or not, will leave the forum, never make another post, and never return.

What will be the decision.. :wissl:

So I take then that Ausrotten is in all likelihood going to be confined to the public zone.

And what is going to happen there? similar to wiikidd? where other members are allowed to stalk and troll serious topic threads? where the OP (who is given more leeway) requests time and again for those posts to be removed and is ignored? where his posts are 'allowed' to stay for sheer alleged amusement?
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 13:55 #56

Yes, that's right, ananbelle. And nobody in their right mind would stick around on a forum wasting their time constantly fighting off malicious accusations and lies aimed at them. Would you? Over 18 months I've put up with his constant bullshit, and it came to a head where I just said enough was enough. Yes, a desperate measure. Sometimes intolerable situations that don't get dealt with take desperate measures. And I've let others know I won't tolerate that kind of ongoing abuse anymore. Not when it's incessant or long lasting like that, and especially not when it's based on false accusations, exaggeration, and outright lies over an almost 2 year period..

There''s people who tell me I'm stupid to even stay here and constantly put up with that kind of bullshit. But I made my own decision to stay in the end. But I won't tolerate another 18 months of that little shit constantly whinging and whining and making up lies about me allover the boards. And that's the ultimatum I've given novum. Which anybody in the same situation would be more than justified in doing under the circumstances.

It's all well and good you sat their defending the little prick though, isn't it. No mention of Mr rotten's editing and changing his posts to totally distort our latest argument then? And the reason why he got booted into public zone? No of course not. Check your own bias, lady.

You know annabelle, for a girl who otherwise shows a fair degree of intelligence and awareness, it's not very clever or becoming of you to try and defend the actions of Mr Rotten, or wee-kidd for that matter. You're obviously not seeing the whole picture and are missing something here? Either that or you're still under worm tongues spell and web of deceit? Nobody in their right mind could possibly think wee-kidd or Mr Rotten are victims of abuse. Did you miss the posts where wee-kidd was constantly going around the forum cursing and condemning other members in the name of his religion and ''God''? You'll find that's when I started taking a disliking to him, and when I eventually gave him back a taste of his own medicine and responded in kind. You don't seem to take any of that into consideration though, do you. Why is that, annabelle? You tell me.

I'll add this too, annabelle. I realise it was a tad unfair on Novum to force an ultimatum on him. It's not something I would normally do. It's not as if it's over petty shit or any short term disagreement or normal dispute, or anything like that though, is it. This about another member constantly shit stirring and causing unnecessary trouble with admin and moderation. Which is quite another matter entirely. Over 18 months I put up with that prick constantly shit stirring and wasting my time here. Are you getting that, annabelle? I don't think you and some others are. Well now thankfully novum has finally taken some meaningful action. And I'm also quite sure my ultimatum wasn't necessarily the deciding factor. Lots of things were taken into consideration.
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 14:14 #57

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There is only one problem from my point of view:


Zorro is just not enough for some! *)


Not enough

- poofy
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- leftist
- libertarian
- strung-out
- drug addicted
- wishy-washy
- kab_balistic
- Germanophobe
- brainwashed
- mainstream
- in thrall to ADL
- paci_fist

etc. blah blah


This is the only problem with Zorro for certain types of members on TZ.


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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 15:18 #58

annabelle wrote:
Zorro wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Thank you to the other forum members that voted freedom of expression is paramount. :thumbup:

Abusing freedom of expression...


Some people are more emotionally equipped to handle freedom than others are. People emotionally equipped to handle freedom don't have a compulsion to lie, they don't get off on physically or verbally abusing people, they don't abuse people 's trust either. They don't intimidate, humiliate or belittle other people to force them to be silent. They don't act like greedy pigs at other's expense.

They police themselves from within. They have self control and confidence that comes with self awareness and empathy and the desire to improve the well being of others.

Some people don't desire to dominate relationships they are involved in. Some people are not afraid of losing, being wrong, looking 'weak' or having their own integrity doubted by others. Their personalities and personal flaws are less defended because the person accepts them and is aware of their own limits. They are well aware of their own autonomy and power to choose right and wrong. They are self aware, self responsible, compassionate and secure. Some people know how to share what they have and are oriented toward cultivating right relationships with others. They know how to be assertive without being aggressive. Some people have enough self control to handle freedom of speech and free association.

Other people can't cope with freedom, and beg by their actions and abusive speech to be limited in their freedoms. They readily use the noble idea of freedom as a rallying cry for the right to abuse, use,con,lie, torment or humiliate or mutilate others. They use freedom of speech as a cry for their own alleged right to verbally abuse others. They use freedom of association as a cry for the rights to use others to look "powerful" and con them with religion, promises they intend not to keep,scams or false hopes.

People with conduct disorders want the freedom to be intimidating, pushy, deceptive and cruel, and disrupt others' freedoms and relationships. They need to dominate and control social situations. These people can't handle freedom well. They are emotionally and socially screwed up.

They want to be free to abuse and manipulate other people around themselves and reduce other people's freedoms in the name of the bullies' sought-after authoritarian "freedom."

Tyrants, abusers, and bullies have problems with their own conduct in relationships of any kind. They are freedom killing, disruptive authoritarians, aggressive greedy and deceptive. A person who is behaving like a totalitarian, a bully, a dominator, a user or abuser is INCOMPATIBLE with a society that values freedom and democracy.

Yet taking an absolutist stance on 'freedom' ... preserves the bully's "rights" to abuse, as well as our own rights to relate to whom we wish to, and to speak our minds.

It was said by the anthropologist who studied a very aggressive and abusive patriarchal tribe, the Yanomano, that in order for one segment of the population to dominate and know power over the "lessors," the other segment or "lessors" must be indoctrinated in cowardice.

It has always been this struggle in society ... what do we do with the bullies, exploiters and liars? Do we give them, rights and let them abuse our freedom ... so they can lie disrupt, foment hatred and abuse people? Or do we limit their damage? Restrict their freedoms?

In a small, close knit tribe where "leaders" have less power over the members and are held accountable by the force of close proximity to the populace, it might be possible to recognize problem people just by watching their habits. Then a population can purge its sociopaths and bullies by exile or by restriction, and maintain sociological health (that is, if bullies are not dominating the tribal government).

But in America, in this civilization gone insane, you can't just limit a bullies freedom without limiting your own freedoms. We are caught in a double bind here. And can we get ourselves out of it — and still be free? If so, HOW?

How can a distant uninvolved entity like the government recognize a conduct-disordered bully from someone who is just colorful and outspoken? The law is so easily made corrupted or too busy to give true justice..The government we allow is currently run by authoritarians, bullies liars and abusers. The people in the government have various conduct disorders; that is why we expect them to lie, expect them to exploit us and expect them to abuse our freedoms. This is why we do not trust the government to do much in the interests of maintaining civil freedoms from bullies. Better use those absolutist principles to restrict power-made authoritarians who are equipped with homeland security, FBI and CIA, and huge nuclear arsenals built with our tax money to restrict our freedoms and the freedoms of other nations.

You can risk your own comfy position and turn on the bullies around you with teeth and expose them, call them on their lies publicly, and denounce their sick disordered social control tactics, their greed and destroy their stranglehold over others. So that they know they are no lord or master over others ... It would be a constant fight to get conduct-disordered people to restrict themselves from within. But this is one way out of this "double bind" about freedom.

The other way out is slowly strangling and silencing your own humanity within, by betraying yourself from within. For America's top 1%, the most wealthy to be in the powerful position they are in today, the other 99% of the population of America has to have learned the lessons of cowardice.

A lot of sad, alienated, tired, insecure, overworked, guilty, confused, emotionally unstable, intellectually lazy, and fearful people who are emotionally unequipped for confronting an asshole boss, or an asshole kid, or an asshole spouse have given up freedoms. Especially if they are dependent upon the bully for a paycheck, a relationship, or if they are afraid of confrontation or deep down believe they can't change the situation.

When 1 in 4 Americans have some form of mental illness, it's a warning that our way of relating to each other socially is becoming very sick. I think it's a call from within to stand up and confront the bullies around us, the bullies we let be in power, the bullies who are making us all sick. I am referring to the corporate polluters, liars, con men, the advertisers, politicians, lobbyists, spin doctors, media whores, and all the other public abusers of trust, as well as the domestic bullies like spouse beaters, con men, the TV, school bullies, religious bullies, work bullies, parent bullies and social bullies.

Authoritarians can't self-police their own actions in society. They see no wrong in harming or using others or destroying the Earth for profit. Other people have to step up to control them and contain them or they will not stop.

A person's conscience (if they have one) can torment them emotionally from within, until they make things right with themselves. If you ignore your own conscience's convictions of your wrong actions and words long enough, you can condition yourself to become numbed to it. The cost of ignoring your own conscience is to become neurotic, dishonest, addicted, impulsive, passive aggressive, manipulating, secretive and insecure.

If you let bullies dictate how you live, if you let bullies lie and steal unchallenged, then you are setting yourself up for a big explosion someday — or for a free fall to the bottom. Or you just might lose your conscience, either momentarily or forever, when you choose to betray yourself in a fit of rage, frustration or despair. When you are down or shattered to bits inside, a bully does not care about your pain at all. He sees you as an all day sucker to exploit, or as a weak, pathetic loser. He thinks this way because he has no empathy for you.

Authoritarians, bullies, liars, users, abusers, con men, and control freaks are incompatible with notions of freedom and democracy in any civil society.

Yet there is another half of this sick equation: the enabling, passive cowardice of a population who accepts being exploited, and abused who are in the name of security,fear or just not wanting to get involved who are willing to throw away their consciences,empathy with others,determined to destroy mental health and civil society for a pittance and cling to absolutist principles because they don't want to risk doing anything others especially the bullies in this world might disapprove of. They don't want to risk more corrupting influences, to remove to corruption that is already there. This sad dynamic in passive people makes "the natural domination of sociopaths" in society possible.

Get honest and right with yourselves, people. Freedom for the World begins within YOU.

Fuck what others might think of you and those absolutist principals, and do what is right. Authoritarians, con men and bullies are by their nature incompatible with freedom and democracy in a civil society. They are the ones after power simply to abuse power and 'get away with it' who are stirring up free people to consider insane reactions.

Do not lose your freedom or your humanity for other bully people by letting them 'get away with it.'

Confront those who would warp and destroy freedom in the name of freedom.I don't care who they are or how 'powerful' you or they think they are . Do the right thing fearlessly. To not listen to your own conscience and to choose to not have self control, to avoid confrontation of a bully at all costs is what it takes to truly lose your freedom.

Just thought I'd remind everyone. Link

What does this essay have to do with Frothy :dunno:

What's that essay got to do with people like Frothy? I would have thought it was self evident to anybody who displays your degree of intelligence, annabelle. Or those who see the real situation here in this dispute. Or rather non-dispute, as it should be more accurately described.

Basically Frothy and a small handful of others are throwing their toys out of the pram because the moderation isn't sufficiently left leaning for them (like most other forums are). It has nothing whatsoever to do with my moderation per se, or me supposedly being biased, anti ''self expression'' or anti-free speech. The accusation that I'm censoring our members here is beyond absurd, and downright childish. They just don't like it that I'm not moderating some of the more taboo topics, or moderating our more outspoken members here.

Such people are the worst hypocrites, and don't value freedom of speech at all. Indeed, if they had their own way all non-PC topics would be exiled from the boards and off limits here, and peoples opinions that aren't sufficiently left leaning and in line with their own world-view would be swiftly banned.
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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 15:41 #59

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Zorro wrote:
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Standard Operating Procedure ...
Orangeaid wrote:
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They seemed to be surviving without deteriorating into complete chaos in Grenfell Tower before the night it went up in flames. Just because you and others can't get on with people different than you are, don't make the mistake of thinking everybody thinks like you do.

Oh STFU you pathetic snivelling anti-white racist Islam apologist

.....

... which comes from the, 'Third London terrorist attack ...', thread and was liked by Zorro.

Yet only some forum members are held to account for verbal abuse. :roll:

No personal bias, right?

From this thread ...
Zorro wrote:
As long as the cunt doesn't keep wasting my time by spreading his shit, I'm not fussed either way.

... Zorro shows his hypocrisy.

Verbal abuse aimed at another forum member.

What is the difference?

The one doing the verbal abusing. :thumbup:

I've made it quite clear before. It's not my place to moderate or play judge and jury for personal disputes between members. Whichever side of the fence they may be on. If one of my friends here says something which could be viewed as offensive or as provocative, and another member responds in kind, then they know better by now to come to me asking to intervene on their behalf. And most don't expect that of me btw. Most situations end up taking care of themselves without the need for moderation.

Moderators will only intervene when it's absolutely necessary, and if and when posts get reported. Particular favor and more leeway is also given to the host of a thread. e,g if the OP and host wants what they consider off topic, offensive, or abusive remarks moved from their own thread, then I'll do it for them. Hopefully that clears things up a bit better for you?

You seem to be asking me to do the very thing you accuse me of?

And no, I'm not getting emotionally upset over anything. That's just you and one or two others imagining things. Perhaps you need to give that dope a rest for a while, to help clear your head? Just a piece of friendly advice, that's all. No need to jump up and down and get your knickers all in a bunch and accuse me of trying to tell you what to do in your life. ;)

Edit, it's also my business who's posts I thank, and not yours.

G'day Zorro.

Another emotive reply. Obvious from your "Edit". :thumbup:

What is your business is your business, as what is my business is my business, as your business is not my business, so my business is not your business.

That you like a post is your business. Your self expression.

That I refer to you liking a post is my business. The self expression of I.

What business is the self expression of I or any other forum member to you?

Observe the other censors (Gaia & PFIZIPFEI) circling wagons.

Another witch hunt from the verbal abusers / name callers.

One stream of verbal abuse is no different than another stream of verbal abuse. You post verbal abuse, your self expression, your choice. No one was holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post verbal abuse. You chose to. How is that any different from those that you censor for verbal abuse?

How is your self expression, when called on it, anything more than the 'poor me' / 'victim' card ..... 'B-b-b-but he called me names'. :roll:

Everyone reading, whether a forum member or guest, has had to put up with your verbal abuse every time you have posted it. You 'like' posts containing verbal abuse aimed at other forum members, supportive of those posting verbal abuse.

And yet you claim to be the victim here ..... of words. :roll:

Where is the harm to your physicality?

What is the crime?

That a forum members posts words that you do not like?

Though, in your mind, it is a-okay to post verbal abuse anytime that you choose to post it. Right. :thumbup:

You obviously do not hold yourself to the same standards that you are demanding of another forum member !!!

That is known as hypocrisy. :thumbup:

Surely other forum members are allowed to be as verbally abusive towards you as you are towards other forum members?

Otherwise that would be hypocritical.

Have you ever heard the saying, 'Live by the sword, die by the sword.'?

'You reap what you sow'?

Your choice of self expression provides you with your experience. If you do not like your experience, it is up to you to change your self expression. Your business, not another forum members business nor a requirement for them to change their self expression. Your business and yours alone.

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What would you like to see done re. Frothy Tacklers membership? 21 Jun 2017 15:45 #60

Emotive reply? Where? You and I obviously have a completely different understanding on the meaning of the word emotive. :chuckle:
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