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TOPIC: China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation

China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 01 Dec 2013 17:59 #1

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The Prime Minister is travelling to China on one of the biggest ever British trade trips to the world's second-largest economy.

David Cameron is leading a delegation of six ministers and more than 100 business people on the three-day visit to Beijing, Shanghai, and Chengdu.

The visit is the first for Mr Cameron in three years, and is being seen as marking the end of a diplomatic spat between the UK and China.

The British Government has failed to secure an invitation for Mr Cameron since his meeting with the Dalai Lama in May 2012. A photograph of them together infuriated the Chinese government.

news.sky.com/story/1176086/china-cameron-leads-major-trade-delegation

However, Mr Cameron will be forced to walk a fine line between the obvious need to engage economically with China, while at the same time not being seen to jettison British values on issues like human rights, and China's international responsibilities on issues like Syria.

Asked about human rights, the Number 10 source insisted a balance can be drawn: "We discuss a lot of issues, and nothing is off the table. Human rights is an issue we discuss."

Over the past six months, Sky News has seen evidence of widespread Human Rights abuses in China including an abortion forced upon a couple, houses forcibly demolished before owners could remove their belongings and individuals detained for expressing displeasure with their government.

Since President Xi Jinping took office in March, his government has made no secret of its widespread and concerted effort to crack down on dissent as it focuses on its overriding objective: Communist Party survival.

Activists, journalists, and well-established dissidents have been rounded up and detained in record numbers.
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 01 Dec 2013 18:11 #2

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Cameron cares nothing for the human rights of the British people, so why anyone would think he would care for the human rights of the Chinese, is beyond me.
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 01 Dec 2013 22:07 #3

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We all know what he's really over there for don't we.

Why should the UK want to deal with a country like China anyway? Look at its records on human rights etc. Yes, its an emerging superpower, but are we supposed to pander to them for it?

Fuck that. The UK should get its priorities right in my opinion.....deal with our traditional friends....America, Canada, Australia, etc.
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 03:08 #4

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The corporations in UK want those cheap imports. :hahano:

Cameron could probably use Kevin (Li :hahano: ) Rudd's helping hand on this. :larf:
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 04:17 #5

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The corporations in UK want those cheap imports. :hahano:

Yep.

I can buy a disposable cigarette lighter for 40 pence (under half a pound sterling) that was made in china, by someone there who is obviously being paid peanuts to work in the sweatshop they have to.

Then said lighter is shipped halfway across the world....and it can STILL be marketed for peanuts.

What's that all about.
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 05:47 #6

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diamondgeezer wrote:
What's that all about.

The economics between China and the west really are out of whack.

Ive seen some machinery parts that cost hundreds of dollars in the west, and they are 5 usd in china when you buy in bulk, when i first started looking at this stuff i thought it was mistakes. If you search around you can see for yourself... i cant remember offhand where i was looking, couldve been alibaba, maybe a similar site, i cant really remember.

They really can produce stuff for pennies on the pound. Americans for one have taken their technology and casting techniques for automotive parts for example to China, and things are manufactured in China similar to how they used to be in the USA, for next to nothing in comparison, then shipped half way around the world. And its not just auto parts its pretty much everything.. but its easy to spot with auto parts because so many of the big brand parts that used to say 'made in USA' boldly will now say made in China a decade later, with little other differences.
Fast forward to the new millennium. China’s manufacturing might has exploded. It sometimes feels that everything is now being made in China.

The main reason is that China has an almost endless work force (around 1 billion people) and their labor rate is very cheap (around $.50 an hour).

This all translates into products made very cheaply. One of the major downfalls in this process is that American companies go to China and want products made “as cheaply as possible!” Well the old saying still holds true: “you get what you pay for!”

Now this is not to say that the Chinese are not capable of building high quality products. The Chinese have some of the world’s tallest sky scrapers, they have built nuclear reactors, and are working on the world largest dam.

As a country, they can build just about anything!!! Again, the problem lies in the fact that foreign companies go over to china with the thought “how cheaply can we have this made!” I believe the quality of the cranks and rods coming out of China has gotten exponentially better in the past 10 years. I have never seen a Chinese rod fail due to material quality. I have honestly never seen one “just break”. Over 95% of the failures I see are directly attributed to sizing issues.

Same can be said for crankshafts. As long as you stay within a crankshafts HP ability they work very well.

Since most all overseas cranks are made as quickly/cheaply as possible, getting the radisues correct is a constant issue. Like I said earlier, they are getting better and bearing sizing as a whole is much better. However, getting the radius issue correct has not happened yet.

My lawyer says I can’t name names but just about ANY crankshaft made overseas has some sort of taper issue. People will try to cover up this situation by saying: “sometimes you have to carve on the bearings”. That’s BULL!!

My grandfather taught me “don’t cure the symptom, cure the problem” meaning if you fix the real issue, everything is better! While carving on bearings will resolve a radius issue it is a cobble fix. If you have a crank that has a taper issue, FIX IT. Then there is no guessing, no cobbling

K1 and the Callies “Comstar” line of cranks are made overseas and DO NOT have these issues. I was just visiting Callies a few weeks ago and saw their QC area. They had a 3’x5’ scrap container being filled with cranks that were out of spec. These cranks looked PERFECT to the human eye but had issues like “.001 underize #5 main”, “taper on 3rd rod journal” etc. Instead of regrinding them Callies just back charged the overseas supplier.

They said this has made drastic improvements in QC. Not all companies do this, but we can still get a good crank if the proper steps are taken.

www.musclemotorsracing.com/muscle-mike-blog/122-stroker-kits-101.html
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 10:22 #7

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but its easy to spot with auto parts

I was a delivery driver for a well-known UK car parts company some years back. They specialise in providing 'cheap' replacement car components to repair garages.....components for top-end models like BMW.

And the quality is awful. I delivered a camshaft for a BMW to a garage one time, and when the guy took it out of the box it actually broke in half....and you could see it for what it really was....crappy pig iron just sprayed with a bit of chrome to make it look legit.

Guess where it was made? :yup:

So yeah, there are BMW's being driven around with crap like that in their engines, with their owners completely unaware. You know what happens if a camshaft goes to bits when a car is being driven at speed.....bye bye engine....
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 10:58 #8

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:omg:

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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 11:10 #9

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I hope Cameron's BMW has got one of those cams in it. :D
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 16:21 #10

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'Censorship' row overshadows David Cameron trip to woo China

David Cameron's attempts to "turn a page" on Britain's relationship with China is overshadowed by an unwelcome diplomatic row with its Communist party leadership over censorship.

Downing Street was forced to make an official complaint to senior Chinese officials after a financial journalist on the Prime Minister's delegation was banned from attending the only official public event on the trip.

While no reason was given for ban the reporter worked for the financial wire service Bloomberg which has written critical stories about the party leadership.

A senior embassy official said that they had been warned two days before that Robert Hutton would not be welcome to attend the press conference in Beijing with David Cameron and his Chinese counterpart, Li Keqiang.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/censorship-row-overshadows-david-cameron-trip-to-woo-china-8977694.html
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 02 Dec 2013 23:09 #11

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Cameron In China: Human Rights 'Discussed'
David Cameron defends himself against claims he is avoiding human rights as he leads the UK's biggest trade mission to China.

Prime Minister David Cameron has denied soft-pedalling on human rights in China to improve his chances of securing business deals for Britain.

On a three-day visit with six ministers and 100 business people, the largest-ever British mission of its kind, Mr Cameron said the UK was the Western country most open to Chinese investment and well-placed to take advantage of China's market liberalisation.

"China's transformation is one of the defining facts of our lifetime ... I see China's rise as an opportunity, not just for the people of this country but for Britain and the world," Mr Cameron told reporters after meeting Premier Li Keqiang at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.

Mr Li also indicated that China is interested in investment opportunities in Britain, particularly the HS2 rail link and nuclear power stations in the UK.

Mr Cameron championed a China-EU trade deal, which could be worth £1.8bn to the UK alone.

But as business deals took centre stage, Mr Cameron came under pressure in a round of TV interviews over the low profile he has given to Beijing's poor human-rights record.

news.sky.com/story/1176730/cameron-in-china-human-rights-discussed
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China: Cameron Leads Major Trade Delegation 04 Dec 2013 19:23 #12

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Mr Li also indicated that China is interested in investment opportunities in Britain, particularly the HS2 rail link and nuclear power stations in the UK.

Just why would we want/need the Chinese investing in nuclear power stations in the UK ffs?
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