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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 15:26 #1

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Kurt Roemer's 'New National Socialist Economic Model' economic model is no way 'new' it is in fact classical Marxism with an added dash of state-socialist ( Stalin era) imagining.
It doesn't actually 'work' outside of the paper it is written on.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs- As DEFINED BY THE STATE."
Romer plagiarises Marx's Labour Theory of Value...
www.marxist.com/in-defence-of-ltv.htm
...to put an n value on 'leisure' time.
page 18 here..
www.sfecon.com/Economic%20Calculation.pdf
Equating that to 1-hour of work 'buys' one hour of leisure.
Hence everyone takes the same leisure for the same cost.
Bit tough if you enjoy expensive hobbies such as flying planes for fun, not so bad if you enjoy relatively inexpensive pastimes such as birdwatching.
Romer dresses up his ideas in lots of opaque symbolic logic.
( NOT equations, they are pictorial 'thoughts' represented as symbols rather than written in words).
Easiest way in is page 22 here...
www.sfecon.com/Economic%20Calculation.pdf
The old communist 'water wheel' image of how the socialist economy best 'flows'.
That is by the state owning all the water, plus the river bed PLUS the state controlling all the egress points for and usages of the water ( which represents money flowing through the system).
It's been tried before and it failed because people are far too messy and independent minded to be constrained by statist models.
Some fecker ( usually a party member) is sure to set up his own unofficial water wheel somewhere along the system then creaming off a slice of the action for himself and his chums.
Others will dip their buckets into the water as and when they can.
Entrepreneurial,sorts will get together and build their own canals and water wheels unless the State stops them which it will try to do but , eventually fail - see 'Stalin's Kolkhoz' here - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan_(Soviet_Union)
Those 'co-operative' owned and run water wheels share out the profits amongst members whereas all the State's ever-diminishing water-wheel profits go to the state.
Every enterprising peasant along the water courses in remote areas is also busy building their own water wheel in hopes that the KGB don't come a calling to smash it up and consign them to Siberia.
Eventually the State-run water ( money supply) dries up and capitalism and or co-operativism takes over cos those models actually work.
Everybody is free to do what they want with the water ( the money they have earned or been given via welfare) in their own buckets without state sanction but with the state taking a cup full or two of water out of each bucket to fund state projects such as paying for welfare.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 15:37 #2

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please consider posting your comment here - It looks like you understand economics, something I do not without a lot of effort.

Be warned if you do post it - you might be met with some hostility,

www.dailystormer.com/aryan-insights-kurt-roemer-national-socialist-economics-for-the-modern-world/


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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 15:42 #3

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Voltaire wrote:
please consider posting thisyour comment here - It looks like you understandeconomics, something I do not without a lot of effort.

Be warned if you do post it - you might be met with some hostility,

www.dailystormer.com/aryan-insights-kurt-roemer-national-socialist-economics-for-the-modern-world/

I'd have to join it to post on it and I don't want to join.
However if anybody on TZ is a member there do feel free to paste it in with a link to here.
Could make for some lively TZ chat.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 15:49 #4

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i am not a member but i understand that you do not want to join.


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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 16:11 #5

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Voltaire wrote:
i am not a member but i understand that you do not want to join.
Fair enough.
Open call to anyone here on TZ who is a member there to paste that post of mine in.
Feel free to add a disclaimer to it so that you don't get flamed on there.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 16:25 #6

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Why is there a separate thread with comments on the same subject?

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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 16:28 #7

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I thought this topic merited its own thread.
It was maybe a bit too 'specialist' on that other thread.
If it flies it flies but it is a tough area requiring a lot of reading and referencing so maybe it will just die the death.
Worth a try anyhoo.
We'll see.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 17:55 #8

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so wtf happened to my posts here as evidenced by this shot?



there was a follow up comment but this is proof that my post was here and now is not.

Please explain what happened.


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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 18:12 #9

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listening now -

www.dailystormer.com/aryan-insights-kurt-roemer-national-socialist-economics-for-the-modern-world/

Kurt Roemer interview was excellent - hits a lot just than economics - interesting guy - glad he won his tort .
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 16 May 2016 21:25 #10

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Why is there a separate thread with comments on the same subject?

:dunno:

I havent been here for hours , but yes i saw 2 seperate threads with the same title, im going to assume Voltaire's post was accidentally split off into another thread.

Voltaire wrote:
so wtf happened to my posts here as evidenced by this shot?



there was a follow up comment but this is proof that my post was here and now is not.

Please explain what happened.

Accidentally split into a seperate thread at a guess... i have merged the two threads again.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 17 May 2016 15:21 #11

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Why is there a separate thread with comments on the same subject?

:dunno:

I havent been here for hours , but yes i saw 2 seperate threads with the same title, im going to assume Voltaire's post was accidentally split off into another thread.

Voltaire wrote:
so wtf happened to my posts here as evidenced by this shot?



there was a follow up comment but this is proof that my post was here and now is not.

Please explain what happened.

Accidentally split into a seperate thread at a guess... i have merged the two threads again.

Right, must have been an error on my part. I was asked to edit the title by somebody, then something went wrong I guess. Just getting used to the buttons here. :emb: Must make sure I start double checking that everything is in order once I have made any changes. Not quite sure how that happened though, because all I did was change a typo in the tittle? And it seemed to create a duplicate thread in response?

Calm down everybody. Mistakes happen sometimes. Nobody is trying to deliberately fuck about mixing or deleting anybodies posts.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 18 May 2016 00:05 #12

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Zorro wrote:
novum wrote:
PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Why is there a separate thread with comments on the same subject?

:dunno:

I havent been here for hours , but yes i saw 2 seperate threads with the same title, im going to assume Voltaire's post was accidentally split off into another thread.

Voltaire wrote:
so wtf happened to my posts here as evidenced by this shot?



there was a follow up comment but this is proof that my post was here and now is not.

Please explain what happened.

Accidentally split into a seperate thread at a guess... i have merged the two threads again.

Right, must have been an error on my part. I was asked to edit the title by somebody, then something went wrong I guess. Just getting used to the buttons here. :emb: Must make sure I start double checking that everything is in order once I have made any changes. Not quite sure how that happened though, because all I did was change a typo in the tittle? And it seemed to create a duplicate thread in response?

Calm down everybody. Mistakes happen sometimes. Nobody is trying to deliberately fuck about mixing or deleting anybodies posts.

It was me that asked the mods to edit the title of the thread because I had put Exonomic instead of Economic in the OP title.
Just asked for it to be changed to Economic..
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 08 Jun 2017 02:46 #13

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Your thread has only just come to my attention. I hope you might permit me to inquire as to the source of a few of the truths you are bandying-about.

1. Where have I published anything with a title remotely similar to (as you quote) 'New National Socialist Economic Model'? The title of the paper I think you are referring to is ‘Economic Calculation and SFEcon Model 0’, as published at EcoMod:

ecomod.net/system/files/Roemer.Economic%20Calculation.pdf

2. You say SFEcon Model 0 “is in fact classical Marxism with an added dash of state-socialist ( Stalin era) imagining”; but, so far as I know, my model operates at the other end of the ideological spectrum – as an emulator of pure anarcho-capitalism. It is, in fact, routinely critiqued by Austrian economists who reject (a priori, of course) my claim that Model 0 solves their “economic calculation”, or “socialist computation” or “Vienna” problem:

www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/on-economic-calculation-and-model-that.html

– a critique that is countered as often as it is proffered:

www.facebook.com/notes/adam-watson/debunking-the-economic-calculation-myth/10152236523489741/

www.necsi.edu/events/iccs/openconf/author/paper.php?a=580

takimag.com/article/in_search_of_lost_money_hargreaves_allen

3. You say the model “doesn't actually 'work' outside of the paper it is written on” and that its equations “are pictorial 'thoughts' represented as symbols rather than written in words”. Yet each of these equations is operative in each of the dozen or so instructional videogames, e.g.:

www.sfecon.com/M0.3.2.3.xlsm

that can be freely downloaded from our online e-text. You can observe a looped emulation of this model’s objective functioning on our homepage www.sfecon.com. Our intention is portray the efficiencies of pure capitalism in the same manner as a desktop flight simulator portrays the laws of aerodynamics. How have we failed you?

4. You have lifted this quote from somewhere: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs- As DEFINED BY THE STATE." But where does anything resembling this quote appear in my paper?

5. You say “Romer [you spelled it right the first time] plagiarises Marx's Labour Theory of Value...” SFEcon’s theory of value is explicated in Section V, titled “Value” in the EcoMod paper. Was this too cryptic for you? If you can find that section (page 36) you see that each sector (industrial as well as household) of an SFEcon Model makes its appropriate contribution to overall value.

6. “The old communist 'water wheel' image of how the socialist economy best 'flows'” is, according to my studies, quite a bit older than Marx, (e.g.: Aquinas) and quite well exercised outside the socialist camp. You give the impression that you had a critique to fling at somebody, and my use of this familiar symbol gave you the occasion you were looking for.

7. As for the interest that various White Nationalists have shown in SFEcon, I should think this would be expected. Mises warned (to the satisfaction of all) that economic command would fail unless it had a solution to his calculation problem. Conversely, if that problem is now solved, then National Socialism can theoretically achieve the efficiencies of pure buccaneer capitalism.

8. As far as fearing the hostility of the nationalists, I have found them to be much more gentlemanly in debate than, say, the Libertarians:

np.reddit.com/r/PraxAcceptance/comments/3nire3/hitlerian_thinks_he_solved_the_calculation_problem/

If you want to engage some of the more civil nationalists directly, I suggest you start here:

nationalvanguard.org/2014/12/taking-capitalism-away-from-the-jews/

and perhaps move the discussion to your “Capitalism and the Jews” thread. If you want to debate SFEcon, we can accommodate you at our site, or at debate.com.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 09 Jun 2017 17:06 #14

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5. You say “Romer [you spelled it right the first time]


Who is this "Kurt Roemer" or "Romer"?

Your alias?

DS links to your website, SFEcon:

www.dailystormer.com/aryan-insights-kurt-roemer-national-socialist-economics-for-the-modern-world/
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 10 Jun 2017 15:27 #15

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SFEcon wrote:
6. (...) You give the impression that you had a critique to fling at somebody, and my use of this familiar symbol gave you the occasion you were looking for.

7. As for the interest that various White Nationalists have shown in SFEcon, I should think this would be expected. Mises warned (to the satisfaction of all) that economic command would fail unless it had a solution to his calculation problem. Conversely, if that problem is now solved, then National Socialism can theoretically achieve the efficiencies of pure buccaneer capitalism.

8. As far as fearing the hostility of the nationalists, I have found them to be much more gentlemanly in debate than, say, the Libertarians:

np.reddit.com/r/PraxAcceptance/comments/3nire3/hitlerian_thinks_he_solved_the_calculation_problem/

If you want to engage some of the more civil nationalists directly, I suggest you start here:

nationalvanguard.org/2014/12/taking-capitalism-away-from-the-jews/

and perhaps move the discussion to your “Capitalism and the Jews” thread. If you want to debate SFEcon, we can accommodate you at our site, or at debate.com.


That's grandmasterp's usual MO and as he did not show any interest in engaging with "some of the more civil nationalists" on TZ
other than by means of provocation, distortion and trolling, it's hardly to be expected that he will elsewhere.

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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 08 Jul 2017 13:44 #16

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"National Socialism can theoretically achieve the efficiencies of pure buccaneer capitalism."
Says it all really.
If that's how people wish to live then they'll be attracted to this economic theory.
However, most people seem to prefer a mixed methodology.
Buccanneer capitalism hollows out communities. Walmartisation kills local businesses, town centres die.
Town and cityscapes worldwide become indistinguishable one from another. Same chain stores in every mall.
Buccanneer capital flows upwards and outwards away from local communities.
That's not good.
IMO.
Market economics is excellent and you'll never beat an unregulated market.
Hence the need for localisation-regulation to encourage local enterprise.
Different model, different mindset.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 17 Jul 2017 11:31 #17

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4. You have lifted this quote from somewhere: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs- As DEFINED BY THE STATE." But where does anything resembling this quote appear in my paper?

Now where have I seen this before......
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 17 Jul 2017 11:56 #18

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GMP wrote:
I thought this topic merited its own thread.
It was maybe a bit too 'specialist' on that other thread.
If it flies it flies but it is a tough area requiring a lot of reading and referencing so maybe it will just die the death.
Worth a try anyhoo.
We'll see.

This dog don't hunt - LOL.
Probs a bit too specialist.
Hey ho.
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Kurt Roemer's ( NOT SO) New National Socialist Economic theory. 30 Jul 2018 14:34 #19

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National Socialism isn't complicated, it's a mixed economy that leans more towards socialism but is also conservative and rightwing culturally. That's something I would like to hear more of in the west, rightwing socialism, sounds better than that crap rightwing capitalism nonsensical cuckservatives support.
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