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TOPIC: The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO

The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 00:15 #1

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Why Capitalism is Failing

It’s easier to offer criticism of capitalism, yet harder to offer alternatives, aside from the vague notion of ‘something else’. The ones shouting the loudest are often those dependent on the profits of capitalism to provide the welfare payments to keep them alive. The economics of capitalism never envisaged providing equal shares, relative lifestyles to those that don’t produce, or funding mass welfare entitlements. Moreover, add to that the cronyism of corrupt politicians with a degree in the fine arts running the economy of nations and little wonder capitalism fails.

Wealth inequality, boom and bust instability, environmental damage . . . All inherently part and parcel of industrialisation, capital’s mainstay, containing the desire to profit from labour. Consequently, socialist policies, which only exist through private wealth creation and taxation, have failed everywhere, as has communism, in which the power of distribution rests in the hands of the elite, no different from the current system. Consequently, the alternative sound bites of the new left in Hahnel’s "participatory economics", or Wright’s "real utopian socialism", are simply that, sound bites.


The possibility remains to tinker around the edges of capitalism with workers co-operatives, bonuses based on profits and contributory insurance schemes, yet conversely, the real impetus needed is for a country to divorce itself from the international banking cartels. In early 2016 China dumped the dollar and currently has a GDP of 6.7%. Iceland, instead of praising its bankers, jailed them for their criminal actions and weathered the recession with a GDP of 4% and rising. Meanwhile, Russia kicked out the Rothschild’s NWO banking cartel and since 2001 eight other countries have done the same.

A brief history and current involvement of Rothschild
Increasing number of countries without A Rothschild private owned central bank (recommended)

Yet the risks are high. An alternative view of Libya as Gaddafi tried to break away from the dollar by introducing the gold dinar. Libya: Ten things about Gaddafi they don’t want you to know.
"In February of 2009, former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi named Chairman of the African Union. He immediately proposed the formation of a unified state with a single currency. It was the nature of that proposed currency that got him killed."

The Answer to Laissez Faire Capitalism

Slowly, as countries abandon the NWO and try to escape usury, only one single country has ever succeeded. From 1933, Germany reduced unemployment so dramatically, that by 1938 there was a shortage of labour. This was not just because of job creation schemes, also implemented in the Weimar Republic and a favourite of politicians today. Neither was it increasing its armed forces, which would have produced a drain on resources, not wealth creation. The following two short videos explain why.

20th Century History (3.01)

"The Rothschild’s hate Hitler because Germany’s economy is free and out of the grasp of their debt slavery. There is only one option left for Rothschild to stop the new economic system – war!"
Do We Start Mentally Preparing Ourselves For a Future Economic Collapse, or War?


Repeating itself in the 21st (6.13)

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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 01:12 #2

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There is no capitalism, so it cannot be failing.

There is crapitalism; statism for the losses (to us) and profits for a select few that actively blocks competition (i.e. capitalism).

The only "solution" would be finally capitalism, without statism in all its red colours.

The fake "economy" of Nazi Germany was an inflated bubble based mostly on the enotmous arms industry, the financial incentive was for the industrialists, while -as always- the people suffered.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 02:15 #3

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There is no capitalism, so it cannot be failing.

There is crapitalism; statism for the losses (to us) and profits for a select few that actively blocks competition (i.e. capitalism).

The only "solution" would be finally capitalism, without statism in all its red colours.

The fake "economy" of Nazi Germany was an inflated bubble based mostly on the enotmous arms industry, the financial incentive was for the industrialists, while -as always- the people suffered.

Well, I’d say the individual pursuit of profit and private ownership is capitalism.
The suffering comes from the crony laissez faire capitalism of today, in which poverty is soaring, government dependency is the norm and mass unemployment is a fact of life.
Not so under a system which threw out the causes and that’s what countries are now starting to do. The ‘fake economy’ is what we saw a decade ago as unregulated capitalism destroyed western economies and ended with flooding the economy with borrowed money, giving the illusion of prosperity and ending with bail outs, wrecked economies and finally led to welfare dependency and food kitchens.

Socialist economics (trying to use capitalism to produce equality) and communism (a redistribution of wealth) has failed everywhere it has been tried. The latest down this road to nowhere went Venezuela, continuing are the economic basket cases of countries like North Korea and Zimbabwe.

I don’t think there is anyone left saying National Socialist policies didn’t work, so your comment is a surprise; the question is, are more countries going to start to adopt them? Six million unemployed in 1933, a labour shortage by 1939, curtailing the greed of the industrialists and kicking out the international banking cartels which allowed this to happen, are facts.

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment And Revived Germany’s Economy
“Within four years,” he pledged, “unemployment must be decisively overcome … The Marxist parties and their allies have had 14 years to show what they can do. The result is a heap of ruins. Now, people of Germany, give us four years and then pass judgment upon us!”
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 04:08 #4

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Over lunch and so in rant format :)

The real problem with liberal or left-wing politics is that it tries to remove reality and focuses on the belief of building equality utopias. Obama isn’the first, nor will he be the last to talk about spreading the wealth around (yours, not his). As equality has never existed, socialist policies take from one to give to another to give an illusion of prosperity and the surprise still remains that economies go bankrupt. My personal favourite and the biggest attempt to decieve, turning logic on its head and said with a straight face, is Pelosi’s comment of:
"For every dollar a person receives in food stamps, $1.79 is put back into the economy. It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance."
Did she actually believe that herself? Probably not, yet millions believed they were actually contributing to wealth creation by doing nothing. Marvellous stuff and on a par with Marxist theory which proposes that if you give all you have to a bunch of people called a revolutionary workers commitee, or Bernie Sanders (Maoist), you’ll actually own it. Yet it takes some getting used to that those you gave it to simply become the new 1%.

Back on track and if we could individually privatise much of the world’s currencies, wouldn’t we do the same as Wall Street do now? If we could control and influence the internet like Google, Facebook and Twitter, wouldn’t we push our own agendas? When you privatise anything it becomes a profit driven commodity, which is fine if we’re talking about individual effort, but when you privatise the basics such as currency, medicine, transport . . . you control that society. Ergo, society in much of the western world is now controlled by politicians, bankers and corporations and why it was so easy for a few individuals to produce the recent devastating recession.

Distancing themselves from this are the countries that went down this road, amongst them China, Russia and Cambodia, where seeking equality based utopias produced predicatable reults. China saw the mistakes in the western capitalist model and came up with something the west has long forgotten. The more you have in your pocket, the more you’ll spend, which is the idea behind supply and demand. Conversely in the west, populations looking to equalise and produce the same elusive failed utopias based on fairness, now find themselves faced with large taxes as government becomes the provider. The government now distributes what is, which doesn’t create wealth and amazingly finds that people don’t have the money to spend, which is where the bankruptcies and failure rates of start-ups and ensuing mass unemployment stem from. Meanwhile, China introduced low taxation and used the high tax from luxury goods to subsidise the basic necessities of staple food, accommodation, transport . . . for everyone, which means even the poorest don’t lack the basic necessities to survive.

Meanwhile in the west, even those working often can’t afford adequate food, or decent accommodation and the poor stay poor, gradually reducing the masses to the lowest common denominator (look at the decline of the middle class). No one ever got equal to those that produce, or upwardly mobile on government welfare and there is a very telling correlation between the increasing amount of welfare spent and rising poverty rates.

Will the west adopt this method, or go down the road of kicking out the leeches? It’s doubtful. There are too many making too much for the system to alter significantly, but when it finally collapses and amid the following chaos, there might arise someone who will.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 13:42 #5

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Well, I’d say the individual pursuit of profit and private ownership is capitalism.

It is a key aspect of capitalism, but is not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system where the ground is equal for all actors. I have a kilo of apples and you have a pound of flour [so I can make a pie] or can teach me how to play the piano. We swap our private properties and/or services and there's a win-win situation.

If I start a business, let's say a bakery, the profits/gains from the business are for me, but the losses/risks too; when the business goes broke, I am the one who needs to pay the debts and search to start a new business.

Crony-capitalism or crapitalism is very different; the creation of "corporations" has made the profits flowing to the top and the losses are outsourced. Not only the obvious bail-outs, that is just stealing money from others to pay the debts of my bakery, but also to legislation created by the force of lobbyists (the intermediates between the free market and the restricting State). It hinders competition that would happen under capitalism, by the construction of (((laws))) (pieces of paper with text written on them); "only bakeries of Type A that sell products that are (((approved))) by the State are allowed". Fake (((laws))) about competition make sure the corporation stays ahead of the natural competition that would occur under capitalism.

On top of that the horrible system of State Slavery in the present; (((taxation))) and especially in the future; State bonds; the slavery of our offspring. In a capitalist system that wouldn't exist, else it wouldn't be capitalist anymore.
The suffering comes from the crony laissez faire capitalism of today, in which poverty is soaring, government dependency is the norm and mass unemployment is a fact of life.

The latter point may be a problem in China and SE Asia where you are, but in most countries the unemployment levels are not so high to call it "mass unemployment". There is unemployment, of course, and that's a result of all the restrictions the State has put on the markets. If people could start businesses much easier, it would employ many more people and create wealth.

But indeed, it is replaced by the government dependency schemes that only enhance that system of State Slavery, not only effectively (payments), but above all morally, paving the way for Cultural Marxism; the State defines the (((morality))).
Not so under a system which threw out the causes and that’s what countries are now starting to do.

Throwing out a dependency of the dollar (just a currency) doesn't solve the problem. The State Slavery succeeds, crapitalism continues and corporations can grow like a cancer.
The ‘fake economy’ is what we saw a decade ago as unregulated capitalism destroyed western economies and ended with flooding the economy with borrowed money, giving the illusion of prosperity and ending with bail outs, wrecked economies and finally led to welfare dependency and food kitchens.

Definitely. That was a phase where it got much more obvious, but it was merely lifting the veil of the theatre of the absurd going on, it was not "just a phase" and before and after things were back to (((normal))).

This is one of the most excellent videos on the topic, explaining it all:


Socialist economics (trying to use capitalism to produce equality) and communism (a redistribution of wealth) has failed everywhere it has been tried. The latest down this road to nowhere went Venezuela, continuing are the economic basket cases of countries like North Korea and Zimbabwe.

True. And the horrors of Venezuela I know a bit; been there twice and have a lot of Venezuelan friends. I once almost got into a fight with a Chavista, evaded only because I told my friends to detain me and him.

Of course socialist economics is not "trying to use capitalism to produce equality"; that is the propaganda slogan. What it does is funneling control over the economy to a select state-chosen few, the exact opposite of equality.
I don’t think there is anyone left saying National Socialist policies didn’t work, so your comment is a surprise; the question is, are more countries going to start to adopt them? Six million unemployed in 1933, a labour shortage by 1939, curtailing the greed of the industrialists and kicking out the international banking cartels which allowed this to happen, are facts.

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment And Revived Germany’s Economy
“Within four years,” he pledged, “unemployment must be decisively overcome … The Marxist parties and their allies have had 14 years to show what they can do. The result is a heap of ruins. Now, people of Germany, give us four years and then pass judgment upon us!”

I don't say "the policies didn't work", I am saying; it is inflated, fake. A real economy is based on products creating wealth. Arms, war, destruction-and-then-rebuilding, etc. is not doing that. It is a bubble. And a very profitable bubble for the Nazis and especially those financing them (the same jewish banker clan as always).

The propaganda version of history is what you link to. And that version is used by both the mainstream (to discredit by association changes in economy with 'a (((genocidal))) regime') and by people who believe the propaganda of the Nazis, you will find a lot of support for that here on TZ.

In reality Nazi Germany did do little to detach the country from the banking clan, usury, money lending, etc.
In reality the country went to create an enormous war machinery able to invade and occupy a dozen countries, and being isolated from most countries, had to have an own industry; the British could rely on US American technology, the Nazis only could expand on their own technological advancement they had for a long time. Italy and Spain and the other Axis countries had their own problems to deal with.
Hitler’s Finances and the Myth of Nazi Anti-Usury Activism
There is the widespread notion that Hitler was fighting the Money Power and that he was a problem for the Bankers because he created a Usury free economy. But there was no Usury free Third Reich economy . The German taxpayer continued to pay interest over the substantial national debt and commercial banking received interest for its fractional reserve banking based loans, which to a large extent financed the war.

Hitler put it this way: “Our financial principle: Finance shall exist for the benefit of the state [Gaia: hence; National Socialism]; the financial magnates shall not form a state within the state. Hence our aim to break the thralldom of interest.
Relief of the state, and hence of the nation, from its indebtedness to the great financial houses, which lend on interest.
Nationalization of the Reichsbank and the issuing houses, which lend on interest.”

But as we shall see, Hitler did not implement any serious monetary reform after he came to power. He did make finance completely subservient to the State and, more specifically, rearmament. But he did not nationalize any banks and the Reichsbank was already nationalized by the Weimar Republic by the time he came to power. He did not end interest payments to ‘the issuing houses’, who must have made an uncanny fortune throughout the war. He did nothing to decouple the Stock Exchange from the economy.

Foreign exchange controls were implemented to manage shortages in foreign currencies. Rules for credit creation by the Reichsbank were cancelled, [Gaia: The Ben Bernanke of the 1930s...] aimed at potentially limitless credit creation to provide the economy with the liquidity it needed to get back at full employment.

All policies were aimed at 1) making sure the Government was basically the only borrower at domestic capital markets and 2) to make sure there was always enough credit available.

Price and wage controls and indeed rising interest rates were used to combat rising prices that would have resulted from these inflating policies.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 23:00 #6

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Well no,Gaia. Wanting a level playing field is a wish and why we have crony capitaism now is intereference without regulation – laissez faire capitalism. The lobbyists and outsourcing are simply examples in manipulation. Without taxation you wouldn’t havethe welfare system, education or health facilities you have now and the high rate is to subsidise the free for all entitlement system it turned into.

"The suffering comes from the crony laissez faire capitalism of today, in which poverty is soaring, government dependency is the norm and mass unemployment is a fact of life." The latter point may be a problem in China and SE Asia . . .

It’s not happening where I am. It’s estimated well over half of China will be middle class in the next five years, there is minimal government dependency allowed and so unemployment is low, outside the black spots. There is mass unemployment in the west, but in Europe for example, it’s disguised by shifting people around to produce an average. For example, youth unemployment in Greece is currently around 46.5%, but the average in the combined Europe Union, which is the number touted, is around 10%. In the US is under 5%, but 46 million on food stamps? They’re all manipulated figures, but yes, one of the main proposals behind cultural Marxism is to replace religion (hope) with the state (dependency).

Abandoning the dollar removes countries from the ponzi scheme of paying to use someone else’s currency. The currency of the $ doesn’t even belong to the US, it’s a private enterprise, a business. Nationalise currency, remove the leeches behind it and the US will soon begin to make a profit, not the bankers. "The State Slavery succeeds, crapitalism continues and corporations can grow like a cancer." Only if you allow it to continue. There’s a bit more behind flooding the economy with borrowed money than lifting a veil.

"Of course socialist economics is not "trying to use capitalism to produce equality"; that is the propaganda slogan." I’m afraid not and is the difference between socialism and socialist - trying to provide equality using the state as the distributor.

I’m afraid you’re off on conspiracy theories regarding the National Socialists. Detaching themselves from the international bankers, usury, borrowing and kicking out the Jews behind it is what provoked the war in the first place. Yes, of course you’ll find links that deny everything – Michael Migchels plus photo – seems like a nice Jewish boy and I’m surprised he didn’t mention six million. Here are opposing views and I suppose it very much comes down to individual belief, especially the first and where the west is now, the second. In reverse, the second tells you this is cultural enrichment and normal, the first explains why it isn’t.


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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 08 Dec 2016 23:49 #7

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Well no,Gaia. Wanting a level playing field is a wish and why we have crony capitaism now is intereference without regulation – laissez faire capitalism. The lobbyists and outsourcing are simply examples in manipulation. Without taxation you wouldn’t havethe welfare system, education or health facilities you have now and the high rate is to subsidise the free for all entitlement system it turned into.

Taxation is theft. You're saying "without theft, there wouldn't be A, B or C". No; without theft, there wouldn't be theft. That's all.

A private welfare system is in place where I live, just as education is largely private and so is health care. There is no need to first rob people and then (((divide))) the stolen money at will.

And it's the welfare state that drives mass immigration. Which makes the immigration waves of the 21st century drastically different from those in the past.

You're saying "there are no regulations [in the current crapitalist system]". It is FULL of regulations. Regulations set-up by statists under the influence of lobbyists (=intermediates of the corporations). Regulations to prevent competition, which would be the natural, so capitalistic solution.

Greece is an extreme example and luckily not representive for "The West" and the result of that crazy crapitalism; the Goldman Saches and similar crooks using the vehicle European (((Union))) to screw the poor Greeks first economically and now with mass immigration.

The Nazis is a topic for another thread; huge in itself. Did you know that many high-ranking Nazis were jews?
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Well no,Gaia. Wanting a level playing field is a wish and why we have crony capitaism now is intereference without regulation – laissez faire capitalism. The lobbyists and outsourcing are simply examples in manipulation. Without taxation you wouldn’t havethe welfare system, education or health facilities you have now and the high rate is to subsidise the free for all entitlement system it turned into.

Taxation is theft. You're saying "without theft, there wouldn't be A, B or C". No; without theft, there wouldn't be theft. That's all.

A private welfare system is in place where I live, just as education is largely private and so is health care. There is no need to first rob people and then (((divide))) the stolen money at will.

And it's the welfare state that drives mass immigration. Which makes the immigration waves of the 21st century drastically different from those in the past.

You're saying "there are no regulations [in the current crapitalist system]". It is FULL of regulations. Regulations set-up by statists under the influence of lobbyists (=intermediates of the corporations). Regulations to prevent competition, which would be the natural, so capitalistic solution.

Greece is an extreme example and luckily not representive for "The West" and the result of that crazy crapitalism; the Goldman Saches and similar crooks using the vehicle European (((Union))) to screw the poor Greeks first economically and now with mass immigration.

The Nazis is a topic for another thread; huge in itself. Did you know that many high-ranking Nazis were jews?

Tax is seen as theft because of the compulsory element. Yet it’s not tax per se that people complain about, it’s the large amounts. Yet without it, who would have paid for your secondary education, your health, or your unemployment welfare. Who would police the streets, or provide the upkeep of your roads. Tax becomes theft when economics is politicised to fund equality agendas. Where you live is probably very different then from the large cities, where the large unemployment stems from.
Yet I agree, stop welfare entitlement and reduce welfare for that which it was intended, a safety net from destitution.

When I say no regulations, I mean a free for all unregulated financial system, that can plunder at will and has done. Many of the Bernie Madoff’s, Wall Street leeches and the directors of Fanny May would have been shot in some countries. It’s not just Greece either; Portugal, Spain and Ireland are also on their last legs and the German, French and Italian economies are stagnating. The Greeks are just an example of where they led themselves by borrowing fantastic amounts, trying to create a socialist society, joining the EU and voting in communists. The European Union itself is a failed project along the same lines, it was never going to be anything else.

When people like this are put in charge of economies and nations, the result is always going to be predictable. They got extremely wealthy and the gullible got gay march parades and welfare.

Angela Merkel - German chancellor and former propaganda commissar in the East German communist youth league.
Jose Barroso - Maoist, President of the European Commission 2004 – 2014.
Herman Van Rompuy - Marxist, President of the European Council 2009 - 2014
Christine Lagarde - French socialist IMF director, awaiting trial on charges of corruption whilst Minister of Finance in the Sarkozy government.

The difference is, I and millions more got away from it all before it became fashionable to do so. We knew what was coming in Europe, we knew what Obama was before the God worship started and were aware of the food kitchens/banks and mass welfare/poverty that would follow.

"Just who the hell do you think you people are, you are very, very dangerous people indeed."


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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 09 Dec 2016 07:38 #9

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Capitalism is not opposing the NWO because it's an element of the NWO. If you think about it Capitalism exists as a socially constructed idea based on private ownership. What's kept in the bank stays in the bank but what is spent by the players of Capitalism finds it's way back to the volts of the NWO.

The NWO is in charge of money/finance so where does that leave Capitalism, It's merely a co-existing way of living where one has a more determined illusion of control of their own existence, but in fact it's reliant every much bit as much as Communism or versions of Socialism for the rest of the community to indulge in ones own concept. Think about those Capitalists with offshore tax haven bank accounts and tax dodges, they have to be reliant to the NWO to provide them with such facility, so the fact that the NWO permits that, is evidence that it's co-existing with Capitalism because it supplies alternative employment, so even if the fat cats at the top dodge paying their tax, their employees pay theirs.

Who do you think is behind the Swiss banks if not the NWO?
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Capitalism is not opposing the NWO because it's an element of the NWO. If you think about it Capitalism exists as a socially constructed idea based on private ownership. What's kept in the bank stays in the bank but what is spent by the players of Capitalism finds it's way back to the volts of the NWO.

The NWO is in charge of money/finance so where does that leave Capitalism, It's merely a co-existing way of living where one has a more determined illusion of control of their own existence, but in fact it's reliant every much bit as much as Communism or versions of Socialism for the rest of the community to indulge in ones own concept. Think about those Capitalists with offshore tax haven bank accounts and tax dodges, they have to be reliant to the NWO to provide them with such facility, so the fact that the NWO permits that, is evidence that it's co-existing with Capitalism because it supplies alternative employment, so even if the fat cats at the top dodge paying their tax, their employees pay theirs.

Who do you think is behind the Swiss banks if not the NWO?

I don’t think anyone has mentioned that capitalism is opposing the NWO. Having said that, I don’t see the NWO as a separate entity, with its own bank accounts, somehow different from the rest. The NWO is rather more an idea; Soros, Clinton and in the EU, the hierarchy, are all NWO. For NWO substitute progressivism, because that’s all it is. It’s not secret and it’s not hidden

Sorry, but I’m afraid your description of capitalism has me beaten :)
"It's merely a co-existing way of living where one has a more determined illusion of control of their own existence, but in fact it's reliant every much bit as much as Communism or versions of Socialism for the rest of the community to indulge in ones own concept."

Offshore bank accounts are not reliant on a NWO, they’re there for you to use too if you like, they simply provide a lower rate of tax, the same as outsourcing, although with risks attached, as the Russians found out recently in the Cyprus EU bank raid. There’s no conspiracy or magic about them. I’m a UK citizen, but most of what I have is divided in foreign banks. The Swiss banks have been in existence for over 250 years, who are behind them? Swiss bankers, who offer a service of secrecy, for a price. There’s nothing conspiratorial about them. That they’re used to disguise wealth has nothing to do with a world order.

The NWO you can see is the dumbing down of nations, multiculturalism, globalisation, a world without borders . . . and has nothing to do with capitalism.
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Look, let’s try and simplify this without all the mystique and conspiracy. Capitalism, or the barter system, are forms of economics. Economics determines who owns what, how it’s sold, it’s cost and profitability; it’s about labour, worth and profit. An ideology uses economics to fund it and the type will depend on whether its socialist, communist . . . who the profit belongs to and the means of creating it. In a nutshell, I own and sell you something, make a profit, pay a little tax on it and that’s socialism. I still own it, but pay a lot of tax on it to fund an ideology, that’s socialist. I don’t own it and therefore can’t sell it to you because it belongs to the government, that’s communism.

No one likes to pay tax and that $20 you made on the TV you sold me, you won’t declare either, in the same way that the tax dodgers don’t want to pay huge individual 50%+ taxes on their profits. All this fairness stuff to fund equality is nonsense and stops applying when any of us win the lottery, because we’d do exactly the same. It’s nothing to do with a NWO. What you’re now seeing is a 1% revolution and that’s the NWO, disguised with the populism of equality, but you will never see a real workers revolution because the 99% don’t own the means to fund it and if they ever tried, you’d see the 1% elite depart that part of the world very quickly with their profits, to be replaced soon after with another elite leading it.

"The EU is the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes" - Mikhail Gorbachev, former General Secretary of the USSR.

Do try to watch the following two videos, they're not lengthy and are an example of what an EU NWO benevolent dictatorship looks like in reality. There are no dark secrets, illusions or conspiracies, it’s simply management and control of a society, in which as distributors and using cronyism and corruption, they become rich themselves (3.17).



You want to join in? There’s no devil worship, secret societies or having implants involved. It’s exactly the same as the USSR was (3.55).

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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 09 Dec 2016 14:56 #12

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The thread title is ''The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO''

It's suggestive that Capitalism is failed to oppose the NWO, my point which ''had you beat'' was merely pointing out that Capitalism is private enterprise but it's as reliant on the general social needs of people to succeed, but it gives the illusion of independence.

Capitalism has not failed, it's doing as well as ever, so is the NWO, so is Marxism, it's all part of the same thing, I don't know why you decided to have Capitalism as a failure within the context of opposing the NWO, as well all should know Communism is reliant on the state and society all pulling together, what many people seem not to realise is that Capitalism is reliant on the same things but it gives the Capitalist a sense of independence which they don't really have, unless they sneak off with their profits to an offshore account or such.

For a group of workers it does not make any difference if an organisation is a public or private enterprise, it makes no difference to the state, the police or anyone else, the only difference is that the profit can be directed towards a group of people instead of the state authorities.

Capitalism is just a means of the profit going to any person(s) who don't represent the state, everything within the Capitalist system that leads up to the profit end game is the same as being state controlled. As long as the military and police are state controlled Capitalism is an arse.
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For a group of workers it does not make any difference if an organisation is a public or private enterprise.

As much as the difference between rape and voluntary love-making.
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Tax is seen as theft because of the compulsory element. Yet it’s not tax per se that people complain about, it’s the large amounts.

Tax is theft, no matter the amount. If I steal 10 dollar from someone, it is just as much theft as if it would be a car. The impact may be different, but is also subjective; someone with 5 cars but lost immediate access to his cash would suffer less from a car robbery than the 10 dollars needed to get home or eat.

If I hit someone in the face and he has a black eye it also violence, no matter the impact of a gunshot would be much higher.
Yet without it, who would have paid for your secondary education, your health, or your unemployment welfare.

That is asking in 1840 "who would pick the cotton if slavery would be abolished". I don't have unemployment welfare.
Who would police the streets, or provide the upkeep of your roads.

People who use their natural tendency to serve, protect and organise. Private roads have proven to be much higher quality than public ones.
Where you live is probably very different then from the large cities, where the large unemployment stems from.

I live in one of the biggest cities on Earth. :larf:
Yet I agree, stop welfare entitlement and reduce welfare for that which it was intended, a safety net from destitution.

That's no solution. The only workable and fair solution is to abandon that absurd statism.
When I say no regulations, I mean a free for all unregulated financial system, that can plunder at will and has done. Many of the Bernie Madoff’s, Wall Street leeches and the directors of Fanny May would have been shot in some countries.

I don't think so. The Elites all over the world skid and avoid their punishments. It is wishful thinking to see it otherwise. The crooks, especially those with wealth, have far more options to avoid being shot than you or me.
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Asia Teacher wrote:
Tax is seen as theft because of the compulsory element. Yet it’s not tax per se that people complain about, it’s the large amounts.

Tax is theft, no matter the amount. If I steal 10 dollar from someone, it is just as much theft as if it would be a car. The impact may be different, but is also subjective; someone with 5 cars but lost immediate access to his cash would suffer less from a car robbery than the 10 dollars needed to get home or eat.

If I hit someone in the face and he has a black eye it also violence, no matter the impact of a gunshot would be much higher.
Yet without it, who would have paid for your secondary education, your health, or your unemployment welfare.

That is asking in 1840 "who would pick the cotton if slavery would be abolished". I don't have unemployment welfare.
Who would police the streets, or provide the upkeep of your roads.

People who use their natural tendency to serve, protect and organise. Private roads have proven to be much higher quality than public ones.
Where you live is probably very different then from the large cities, where the large unemployment stems from.

I live in one of the biggest cities on Earth. :larf:
Yet I agree, stop welfare entitlement and reduce welfare for that which it was intended, a safety net from destitution.

That's no solution. The only workable and fair solution is to abandon that absurd statism.
When I say no regulations, I mean a free for all unregulated financial system, that can plunder at will and has done. Many of the Bernie Madoff’s, Wall Street leeches and the directors of Fanny May would have been shot in some countries.

I don't think so. The Elites all over the world skid and avoid their punishments. It is wishful thinking to see it otherwise. The crooks, especially those with wealth, have far more options to avoid being shot than you or me.

Those replies would take up a thousand word essay. I detect an anarchist model. :) There is no natural tendency or consensus, as we recently saw in the Clinton/Trump circus. Anarchism could possibly work in small communities, but it doesn’t have the consensus in large ones. The Spanish civil war provided ample proof of that and although anarchism is still practised in small communities there, it’s not visible in any large modern transient population ones. If you live in one of the largest cities on earth, you do not have anarchism. Abolish tax tomorrow, privatise roads and stop welfare and within a week, you’ll have the biggest revolution in history.
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Ausrotten wrote:
The thread title is ''The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO''

It's suggestive that Capitalism is failed to oppose the NWO, my point which ''had you beat'' was merely pointing out that Capitalism is private enterprise but it's as reliant on the general social needs of people to succeed, but it gives the illusion of independence.

Capitalism has not failed, it's doing as well as ever, so is the NWO, so is Marxism, it's all part of the same thing, I don't know why you decided to have Capitalism as a failure within the context of opposing the NWO, as well all should know Communism is reliant on the state and society all pulling together, what many people seem not to realise is that Capitalism is reliant on the same things but it gives the Capitalist a sense of independence which they don't really have, unless they sneak off with their profits to an offshore account or such.

For a group of workers it does not make any difference if an organisation is a public or private enterprise, it makes no difference to the state, the police or anyone else, the only difference is that the profit can be directed towards a group of people instead of the state authorities.

Capitalism is just a means of the profit going to any person(s) who don't represent the state, everything within the Capitalist system that leads up to the profit end game is the same as being state controlled. As long as the military and police are state controlled Capitalism is an arse.

Well no, the thread title was suggestive of why capitalism has failed and moving onto an alternative, which Gaia correctly stated didn’t really belong on this thread and there were other places to discuss that.
That’s better and yes, one aspect of capitalism is private enterprise, in which some succeed and others fail as it was never designed to provide equality. (Independence from what?) In that context capitalism has failed, as it’s now attracted the cronyism and corruption everyone is complaining about.

All ideologies rely on the state and people pulling together, communism is no exception and cultural Marxism is the opposite, which is why you see the decline in western societies that have adopted its measures.
I make a profit, you make a profit, that some make more than others is not a fault. The way capitalism, as an economic system, is manipulated to do that is the problem. When someone bigger than you comes to steal your computer, which you bought from the results of your labour and the rights inherent within a capitalist system of private ownership, you’ll find out why a police force is needed.
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I detect a millennial response here, so to save the circle debate . . . :)

Capitalism is the default economic system in all societies, the desire to accumulate and own wealth. Even in communist societies there are always ‘black markets’. Those societies which abandoned that premise all collapsed economically, the ones who reintroduced it, Russia and China survived. They survived, but they learned lessons from it. They learned that you don’t privatise your currency and controlled the speculation of the banks and stock markets. Capitalism in those countries is seen as the golden goose that funds societies, not individual greed.

Meanwhile, in the majority west, capitalism went further than free enterprise and wealth ownership and became a method by which to dominate that society, which is what everyone is complaining about today. Private enterprises turned into globalised crony corporations and greed replaced labour profit. Politicians, ditching the ideologies which don’t pay much as a career, followed suit, often retiring as consultants for the very corporations and lobbyists they’d helped to support. In this type of society, degenerate drug addict Amy Winehouse became an idol and the man who sweeps the streets, a loser.

Economics began to take on the aspects of an ideology, visible today in the narcissism of a millennial generation, where outward trappings of wealth replace contribution to society by labour and equality replaces self-reliance. Cultural Marxism is the ideal ideology for this type of society, promising something to everyone. The rich manipulate capitalism and get richer, the socialists get their welfare society. The minorities get identity politics and the businesses get cheap labour. Was the 2008 recession a surprise and didn’t everyone see it coming? If so, was it intentional? Record bankruptcies and start-up business failure rate of around 80% in the US, meanwhile in Europe the economic collapse of nation states and the huge increase of food banks/kitchens, poverty, drug addiction and government dependency?

There’s no mystery, what you’re seeing is the road to progressivism, financed by the likes of Soros in the US and the EU in Europe. Capitalism is failing in its original intended purpose of individual wealth creation and ownership, because it tried to use it to provide an equality that has never existed, wars that drained the profits and entitlement welfare that is now bankrupting whole societies. When the western populations gave their consent to politicians to create equality based multicultural utopias, it also gave them the right to use capitalism to fund it. The final irony is that those most now complaining against the 1%, are the very same people voting the 1% in and hoping for change.

None of this should come as a surprise in societies where wealth creation is now a dream for many and the point of ownership is irrelevant to those with nothing to own. The noise is loudest from those who cheered all this on and didn’t realise what it was, or where it would lead to.
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Capitalism oppresses workers.
On the other hand nobody yet beat the free market system as the best way of getting products to customers.
Co-operativism combines the market system with equity.
Co-operatives work well for their members.
If our Co-Op can get your groceries to you cheaper, faster and in better condition than Tesco can.
Tesco has lost you as a customer.
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Capitalism was never designed to oppress, but yes, under its present form of greed and cronyism, it does. Yet if no one has the money to buy, it doesn’t matter how fast goods get to market, no ones buying and that’s why the supply and demand part of capitalism and a free market economy is failing.
Drastically reduce taxation, massively reduce government dependency and control the banks and speculators? :)
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All ideologies rely on the state and people pulling together, communism is no exception and cultural Marxism is the opposite

Cultural Marxism is not in opposition to the state, It's a practise which is implemented by the state, most schools are state funded, that's where the induction is commenced, a medium for cultural Marxism is television, a platform where the ideas of cultural Marxism are promoted, the state decides which programmes can be transmitted, for example in Britain Press TV is banned, that ban is not implemented by cultural Marxism but by the controllers of the state, nations in the West have a cultural Marxist element which is encouraged by the state, rather than an ideology which opposes the state.

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Capitalism oppresses workers.

Horseshit, Capitalism oppresses workers if it's operated in that kind of way but it can be just as good/bad as Communism or any other version depending on the scruples of the people at the top.

For example if one works as a Doctor for a NHS or for a Capitalist private health care organisation, you'll find the Doctor is treated better by the private Capitalist organisation than the NHS, with regards to pay and the shifts, ie in the NHS they get less pay and have to work long shifts until they're nearly asleep on their feet. Doctors and nurses are more often immigrants in the NHS because the natives (in the West) often go into private work because that gives them a better deal, sometimes I wonder if you;re some kind of mentalist GiMPy, because you post utter codswallop.

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For a group of workers it does not make any difference if an organisation is a public or private enterprise.

As much as the difference between rape and voluntary love-making.

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