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TOPIC: The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO

The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 02:08 #21

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Capitalism was never designed to oppress

Capitalism isn't designed. It's the natural situation.
Drastically reduce taxation, massively reduce government dependency and control the banks and speculators? :)

Wishful thinking. Nothing's gonna change.

Best to move out of the most Cultural Marxist idiocy, like you and me have done and to depend of statism as little as possible.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 02:44 #22

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Maybe you should first learn Gaia about the New World Order, as he doesn't believe it exists.
So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 04:44 #23

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Gaia wrote:
Asia Teacher wrote:
Capitalism was never designed to oppress

Capitalism isn't designed. It's the natural situation.
Drastically reduce taxation, massively reduce government dependency and control the banks and speculators? :)

Wishful thinking. Nothing's gonna change.

Best to move out of the most Cultural Marxist idiocy, like you and me have done and to depend of statism as little as possible.

You followed me from this thread to the holocaust one and then back to this one. I don’t know what you’re expecting, I can just give you my opinion, I’m not here to convince you, or score points. :) The point of inquiry is to come at all you read on the forum with an open mind and begin a search of your own.
Capitalism replaced feudalism and the barter system. You couldn’t have had an industrial revolution under feudalism.
It did change under National Socialism, but yes, in today’s society, it’s hardly likely.

I’ll do you a thread on belief systems and National Socialist ideology as a compromise, how’s that. :)
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 04:46 #24

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Maybe you should first learn Gaia about the New World Order, as he doesn't believe it exists.

Err, no, I’ll pass on that one. If the basics aren’t there it’s going to be a long, hard slog. :)
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 05:26 #25

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Maybe you should first learn Gaia about the New World Order, as he doesn't believe it exists.

Err, no, I’ll pass on that one. If the basics aren’t there it’s going to be a long, hard slog. :)

:D

Exactly. NWO is basic and common knowledge for any truther.

If one even fails to see that, then it has no use discussing other matters and one can better go posting on some hobby forum or something.

I opened up a topic about the NWO to try to show him, but he refuses to look into it or do any research and just goes on posting.
Which is ridiculous of course.

With that all in mind, his signature is very amusing as that even goes beyond ridiculousness. (have a look at it. :chuckle: )
So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 06:16 #26

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Asia Teacher wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Asia Teacher wrote:
Capitalism was never designed to oppress

Capitalism isn't designed. It's the natural situation.
Drastically reduce taxation, massively reduce government dependency and control the banks and speculators? :)

Wishful thinking. Nothing's gonna change.

Best to move out of the most Cultural Marxist idiocy, like you and me have done and to depend of statism as little as possible.

You followed me from this thread to the holocaust one and then back to this one. I don’t know what you’re expecting, I can just give you my opinion, I’m not here to convince you, or score points. :) The point of inquiry is to come at all you read on the forum with an open mind and begin a search of your own.
Capitalism replaced feudalism and the barter system. You couldn’t have had an industrial revolution under feudalism.
It did change under National Socialism, but yes, in today’s society, it’s hardly likely.

I’ll do you a thread on belief systems and National Socialist ideology as a compromise, how’s that. :)

Your knowledge of history is totally right; (((crapitalism))) replaced feudalism.

But I see a broader trend; statism (=state slavery) replaced real slavery.

I reject all those freaks, no matter their flag, colour or insanity.

So convincing is not the point. Correct use of language is. Words mean something.

And capitalism never stood a chance against marxism/communism or crapitalism (left to right "democracy"), neither in the fascist systems of Portugal, Dominican Republic, Chile, Egypt, and yes, Nazi Germany.

The statists love to blame "capitalism", while meaning their own failed statist crapitalism, to indoctrinate the people with the feel for needing a "State". A ridiculous idea, but widely held. Still.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 12:20 #27

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Gaia wrote:
Asia Teacher wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Asia Teacher wrote:
Capitalism was never designed to oppress

Capitalism isn't designed. It's the natural situation.
Drastically reduce taxation, massively reduce government dependency and control the banks and speculators? :)

Wishful thinking. Nothing's gonna change.

Best to move out of the most Cultural Marxist idiocy, like you and me have done and to depend of statism as little as possible.

You followed me from this thread to the holocaust one and then back to this one. I don’t know what you’re expecting, I can just give you my opinion, I’m not here to convince you, or score points. :) The point of inquiry is to come at all you read on the forum with an open mind and begin a search of your own.
Capitalism replaced feudalism and the barter system. You couldn’t have had an industrial revolution under feudalism.
It did change under National Socialism, but yes, in today’s society, it’s hardly likely.

I’ll do you a thread on belief systems and National Socialist ideology as a compromise, how’s that. :)

Your knowledge of history is totally right; (((crapitalism))) replaced feudalism.

But I see a broader trend; statism (=state slavery) replaced real slavery.

I reject all those freaks, no matter their flag, colour or insanity.

So convincing is not the point. Correct use of language is. Words mean something.

And capitalism never stood a chance against marxism/communism or crapitalism (left to right "democracy"), neither in the fascist systems of Portugal, Dominican Republic, Chile, Egypt, and yes, Nazi Germany.

The statists love to blame "capitalism", while meaning their own failed statist crapitalism, to indoctrinate the people with the feel for needing a "State". A ridiculous idea, but widely held. Still.

So, we all learn something new everyday. Capitalism as an economic system does work, but not unless it’s controlled and is why both China and Russia reverted to capitalism, but with safeguards. None of us know everything and we know a lot less than the total sum of knowledge. So, I’ve scribbled down a few words over lunch, limiting myself to basics with a thousand word limit, to explain my general theory. You’re welcome to pick away at it, but I won’t get involved in nit picking, or Bukharin’s anarchist interpretations.

So, just for you :)
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 16:24 #28

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Easy choice mate.
Two jobs here.
Picker in an Amazon Warehouse.
Picker in a Co-Operative warehouse.
Guess which picker gets a share of the profits each year on top of her wages?
Guess which picker has a pension plan and is covered by a union should she care to join the union?
Guess which picker can stand for election onto the Managing Board of Directors and every worker and customer gets a vote as to who gets on?
Can you guess?
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Capitalism oppresses workers whereas Co-Ops are owned by the workers and customers.
Capitalism benefits Capitalists.
Co- operativism benefits its members.
Fairly and equally.
Both systems work in and with the market but one is fair whereas the other isn't.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 11 Dec 2016 22:11 #29

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GMP wrote:
Easy choice mate.
Two jobs here.
Picker in an Amazon Warehouse.
Picker in a Co-Operative warehouse.
Guess which picker gets a share of the profits each year on top of her wages?
Guess which picker has a pension plan and is covered by a union should she care to join the union?
Guess which picker can stand for election onto the Managing Board of Directors and every worker and customer gets a vote as to who gets on?
Can you guess?
:)
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I remember the Co-op and it did start out for all the best reasons (do they still do the green shield stamps thing?). Yet they’re businesses foremost and if I remember rightly, their prices were generally the same as the Asda ones I used nearby. I don’tknow, but I’ll guess the floor cleaners from each don’t earn all that much than each other. The race is now on to collectivise, provide incomes based on what the individual thinks they’re worth, ‘equal work means equal pay’ . . . Yes, big businesses do make excessive profits, but I don’t think the answer is to standardise salaries. Trying to create equality always fails, aka Marxism.

I remember the guy from the US recently who paid all his workers $70k, irrespective of the job they did. From a growing company, he lost his best workers and is now in financial difficulties.

Dan Price decided to pay all 120 employees at least $70,000. Grown men cried. Profits soared. Then things got really crazy.
'Price isn't backing down about pay going up. Now he's going all in. He revealed to Inc. that he has sold all his stocks, emptied his retirement accounts, and mortgaged his two properties -- including a $1.2 million home with a view of Puget Sound -- and poured the $3 million he raised into Gravity.’
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 12 Dec 2016 01:45 #30

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Capitalism as an economic system does work, but not unless it’s controlled

This is irrationality illustrated. Capitalism does work, but as soon as it's controlled, it's not capitalism anymore. By definition.
and is why both China and Russia reverted to capitalism, but with safeguards.

Crapitalism, all over. Just like in the rest of the world.
None of us know everything and we know a lot less than the total sum of knowledge. So, I’ve scribbled down a few words over lunch, limiting myself to basics with a thousand word limit, to explain my general theory. You’re welcome to pick away at it, but I won’t get involved in nit picking, or Bukharin’s anarchist interpretations.

If you want to actively exclude philosophy (so principles and reason) when proposing an ideology (subjective, opinions) you are not open for free debate and sound like a pusher of ideology. Which is the whole root of the problem, including the Cultural Marxism you posted.
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Gaia wrote:
Asia Teacher wrote:
Capitalism as an economic system does work, but not unless it’s controlled

This is irrationality illustrated. Capitalism does work, but as soon as it's controlled, it's not capitalism anymore. By definition.
and is why both China and Russia reverted to capitalism, but with safeguards.

Crapitalism, all over. Just like in the rest of the world.
None of us know everything and we know a lot less than the total sum of knowledge. So, I’ve scribbled down a few words over lunch, limiting myself to basics with a thousand word limit, to explain my general theory. You’re welcome to pick away at it, but I won’t get involved in nit picking, or Bukharin’s anarchist interpretations.

If you want to actively exclude philosophy (so principles and reason) when proposing an ideology (subjective, opinions) you are not open for free debate and sound like a pusher of ideology. Which is the whole root of the problem, including the Cultural Marxism you posted.

Sorry Gaia,
I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you. :)
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 12 Dec 2016 09:20 #32

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Asia Teacher wrote:
Sorry Gaia,
I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you. :)

Good idea.

Let's all do that.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 12 Dec 2016 16:54 #33

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Asia Teacher wrote:
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Easy choice mate.
Two jobs here.
Picker in an Amazon Warehouse.
Picker in a Co-Operative warehouse.
Guess which picker gets a share of the profits each year on top of her wages?
Guess which picker has a pension plan and is covered by a union should she care to join the union?
Guess which picker can stand for election onto the Managing Board of Directors and every worker and customer gets a vote as to who gets on?
Can you guess?
:)
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I remember the Co-op and it did start out for all the best reasons (do they still do the green shield stamps thing?). Yet they’re businesses foremost and if I remember rightly, their prices were generally the same as the Asda ones I used nearby. I don’tknow, but I’ll guess the floor cleaners from each don’t earn all that much than each other. The race is now on to collectivise, provide incomes based on what the individual thinks they’re worth, ‘equal work means equal pay’ . . . Yes, big businesses do make excessive profits, but I don’t think the answer is to standardise salaries. Trying to create equality always fails, aka Marxism.

I remember the guy from the US recently who paid all his workers $70k, irrespective of the job they did. From a growing company, he lost his best workers and is now in financial difficulties.

Dan Price decided to pay all 120 employees at least $70,000. Grown men cried. Profits soared. Then things got really crazy.
'Price isn't backing down about pay going up. Now he's going all in. He revealed to Inc. that he has sold all his stocks, emptied his retirement accounts, and mortgaged his two properties -- including a $1.2 million home with a view of Puget Sound -- and poured the $3 million he raised into Gravity.’

Green Shield Stamps went out a long time ago and Co-Ops tended not to use those. Consumer Co-Ops pay a dividend to members. These days that is via a card based 'points' system. For sure Co-Op workers are on different rates of pay. The warehouse picker is on less than the warehouse manager and so on. Difference between Co-Op jobs and many other jobs on the 'manual'side in industry is that Co-Op workers are on better rates of pay with better conditions than workers in the same jobs over in the private sector. On the other hand Co-Op workers in professional jobs tend to be on slightly less salary than professionals doing the same job in the private sector. BUT they get better working conditions and longer holidays as a rule. There is deffo far less 'commercial stress' in Co-Op jobs because everybody doing the job has a membership share in the business.
You probably know already that NSDAP economic theory was Co-Operative in its ethos. We've had threads about that here on TZ before now.
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 12 Dec 2016 18:22 #34

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Asia Teacher wrote:
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Asia Teacher wrote:
Capitalism as an economic system does work, but not unless it’s controlled

This is irrationality illustrated. Capitalism does work, but as soon as it's controlled, it's not capitalism anymore. By definition.
and is why both China and Russia reverted to capitalism, but with safeguards.

Crapitalism, all over. Just like in the rest of the world.
None of us know everything and we know a lot less than the total sum of knowledge. So, I’ve scribbled down a few words over lunch, limiting myself to basics with a thousand word limit, to explain my general theory. You’re welcome to pick away at it, but I won’t get involved in nit picking, or Bukharin’s anarchist interpretations.

If you want to actively exclude philosophy (so principles and reason) when proposing an ideology (subjective, opinions) you are not open for free debate and sound like a pusher of ideology. Which is the whole root of the problem, including the Cultural Marxism you posted.

Sorry Gaia,
I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you. :)

Sounds like a great teacher, Asia Teacher. :emb:

A "waste of time" can only defined along the purpose you had when you started this discussion or any else with me. If your purpose was to convert me to Nazism, a dictatorial extreme Statism because all those other Statisms are already immoral, then indeed you've wasted your time.

And in essence I think if that is your idea of a discussion forum, it will always be a waste of time. You have some peers here in your Nazi beliefs, but that doesn't mean your ideology will stick anywhere in real life.

Or do your "Northern Chinese students" embrace Nazism with similar draconic laws against free speech, dissent with the regime and blockades to access information they are oppressed by now (China: internet bans, Nazi Germany: heavy State propaganda forbidding alternative sources)?
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The failure of Capitalism: Opposing the NWO 12 Dec 2016 19:19 #35

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Sounds like a great teacher, Asia Teacher. :emb:

A "waste of time" can only defined along the purpose you had when you started this discussion or any else with me. If your purpose was to convert me to Nazism, a dictatorial extreme Statism because all those other Statisms are already immoral, then indeed you've wasted your time.

How can one criticize someone of being a bad teacher while sitting with his fingers in the ears in class. :larf: :facepalm:

You've also believed for all of your life that the Holocaust really happened till a few months back and then you think it's just over with that and now you have some kind of supreme knowledge?

Fekking idiot.
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That's really mature Flare. :)
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On one hand National Socialism and Hitler have been lied about ad nauseum for decades and on the other hand National Socialists hold both up to a level that only a cult can.

It does not matter one iota what I agree with or don't agree with when it comes to these topics because I am not a National Socialist so I "miss out COMPLETELY on the WW2 topic". Because I can think critically for myself and do not go into orgasims of ecstasies if watching videos such as these..

then I am the enemy.... the really sad thing is to have seen how some of you treated your own... like seaic :facepalm: :mad: a pro-National Socialist himself yet still able he was to counter and raise concerns he had with some of the prevalent NS behavior going on...yet was met with the most atrocious manipulation and insults even though he was being perfectly reasonable and logical... (jealous much).

Very sad indeed.. :(
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Please continue with exposing your extremely painful envy and stupidity. It's sad to watch, but also quite funny.
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Sounds like a great teacher, Asia Teacher. :emb:

A "waste of time" can only defined along the purpose you had when you started this discussion or any else with me. If your purpose was to convert me to Nazism, a dictatorial extreme Statism because all those other Statisms are already immoral, then indeed you've wasted your time.

And in essence I think if that is your idea of a discussion forum, it will always be a waste of time. You have some peers here in your Nazi beliefs, but that doesn't mean your ideology will stick anywhere in real life.

Or do your "Northern Chinese students" embrace Nazism with similar draconic laws against free speech, dissent with the regime and blockades to access information they are oppressed by now (China: internet bans, Nazi Germany: heavy State propaganda forbidding alternative sources)?[/quote]

Convert you? You’re hardly that important or worth spending time on Gaia. I carried on the discussion with you as you kept asking questions. It may have escaped your attention that I no longer engage with you, but am simply replying, occasionally, out of politeness?. :)
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I know absolutely zilch about economics, so can TZ members say what system WORKS?
For example Communism collapsed didn't it, and is Capitalism really that bad?
Is there any country anywhere in the world whose system works fine?
For example I hear the Swiss do alright, so why don't we copy whatever system they use?
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National socialism is the genuine alternative to the ills of both capitalism and communism. Reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism by embracing the third position of national socialism.

There is no ethnic nationalism without socialism and collectivism, ethnic nationalism cannot be achieved by any other means. With capitalism ethnic nationalism isn't profitable and with communism it is forbidden.

The internationalists have always controlled both capitalism and communism ever since their ideological inceptions, reject both.
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"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Former Russian Soviet dissidents and now presently the American working class.

"We must take from the right nationalism without capitalism and from the left socialism without internationalism."- Gregor Strasser

"We must reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism as the only choices for the world where instead we must embrace the third position of national socialism." -Myself

"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

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There is no capitalism, so it cannot be failing.

There is crapitalism; statism for the losses (to us) and profits for a select few that actively blocks competition (i.e. capitalism).

The only "solution" would be finally capitalism, without statism in all its red colours.

The fake "economy" of Nazi Germany was an inflated bubble based mostly on the enotmous arms industry, the financial incentive was for the industrialists, while -as always- the people suffered.

I'm still waiting for any kind of capitalist to explain to me when there was a period of time concerning capitalism's existence where it didn't manifest itself into cronyism. Can't get an answer from anybody.

Capitalists: "That's not capitalism, real true capitalism hasn't been tried yet."
Communists: "That's not communism, real true communism hasn't been tried yet."


Whatever you say.......
"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party owned by Jewish Wallstreet gives a flying fuck about you."- Myself

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Former Russian Soviet dissidents and now presently the American working class.

"We must take from the right nationalism without capitalism and from the left socialism without internationalism."- Gregor Strasser

"We must reject the false dichotomy of capitalism and communism as the only choices for the world where instead we must embrace the third position of national socialism." -Myself

"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

"Syncretic politics is that taking political positions combining elements associated with the left and right that can achieve a goal of reconciliation." - Wikipedia

"Only collectivism will save our collective plight of western civilization during this crisis as individualism by itself isn't enough."- Myself

"We must secure ethnic racial homelands of European peoples worldwide."- Myself

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