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TOPIC: Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes?

Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 29 Jun 2017 23:12 #1

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There is a lot of BS being thrown around about taxing the rich. But I don't think they even get taxed. Not really. For example, all the tax laws are written by and for the wealthy. They can afford to hire good tax lawyers who can find any of what are doubtlessly the zillions of loopholes written into tax laws. Also, there are many banks around the world where the wealthy can deposit money anonymously. Making it free from taxation. Another thing is that do you know who it is that tells you how much the wealthy get taxed to begin with? The wealthy! Are you so much of a sucker as to believe them?!

Another thing is that having taxes deducted from my wages was just the way things worked. But it didn't really matter. Because after I filed my tax returns, I got most of it back. Wouldn't the wealthy be treated the same way? Or do they outright avoid letting the U.S. government borrow their money for a while for the common good. Also, look at any year over say the past 40 years. For whatever year you choose, look up and see what companies for that year paid no taxes at all. The wealthy sure are against welfare. But apparently corporate welfare is just fine and dandy. What our government needs to do is just take over all businesses. And cut out the overpaid tax griping dead weight middlemen. The government should also remove the rights of personhood from corporations.

Here is something else about taxing the rich. Back in the 60's, the average salary for a company executive was around 25 times what the average worker made. Today, it is around 250 times that. And not all that long ago, it got closer up to 400 times what the average worker made. And they are getting taxed too much?! Boo fucking Hoo!
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 30 Jun 2017 11:50 #2

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Yep.
Wealthy people pay taxes.
Smart people avoid paying too much tax.
Odd thing about taxation is that.. when taxes are low.....
More tax is collected than when taxes are high.
Raise taxes too much and the smart money simply decamps to a lower tax rated place.
Hope that helps.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 30 Jun 2017 21:45 #3

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GMP wrote:
Yep.
Wealthy people pay taxes.
Smart people avoid paying too much tax.
Odd thing about taxation is that.. when taxes are low.....
More tax is collected than when taxes are high.
Raise taxes too much and the smart money simply decamps to a lower tax rated place.
Hope that helps.

So you say the wealthy pay taxes. I don't believe it. Not with all the tax loopholes, exemptions and write offs that are available to them. "If" they pay any taxes at all, it is probably just window dressing for the gullible. As to how much taxes are paid when they are high or low, I don't think it really matters. Next, the wealthy can "decamp" emigrate to another country or do anything else they want to. They just won't be allowed to do business in the U.S. if they do. It is as simple as that. Hope that helps.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 30 Jun 2017 22:27 #4

Wealthy ? Why do people class people who have lots of money as wealthy ? I just dont get that :conf:
I say they got conned in to thinking money = wealth ,Numbers on a screen and paper in their hand shinny toys ,wont teach them how to live off the land ;)

Take what yah need ,too much = greed, that paper money can become an evil seed! to much = greed to much =greed
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 30 Jun 2017 23:27 #5

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backfromthebrink wrote:
Wealthy ? Why do people class people who have lots of money as wealthy ? I just dont get that :conf:
I say they got conned in to thinking money = wealth ,Numbers on a screen and paper in their hand shinny toys ,wont teach them how to live off the land ;)

Take what yah need ,too much = greed, that paper money can become an evil seed! to much = greed to much =greed

You think classifying people who have lots of money as poor is going to work? Though no doubt the wealthy would like to try. Not only would it give them more reason to not pay taxes, but it might cut down a little on the envy that the hard working poor have for what the wealthy have. Seeing how you "just don't get" that, I take it you are wealthy. Don't confuse being poor as being gullible.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 30 Jun 2017 23:44 #6

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backfromthebrink wrote:
Wealthy ? Why do people class people who have lots of money as wealthy ? I just dont get that :conf:
I say they got conned in to thinking money = wealth ,Numbers on a screen and paper in their hand shinny toys ,wont teach them how to live off the land ;)

Take what yah need ,too much = greed, that paper money can become an evil seed! to much = greed to much =greed

You think classifying people who have lots of money as poor is going to work? Though no doubt the wealthy would like to try. Not only would it give them more reason to not pay taxed, but it might cut down a little on the envy that the hard working poor have for what the wealthy have. Seeing how you "just don't get" that, I take it you are wealthy. Don't confuse being poor as being gullible.

Il simplify ,true wealth is health ,and many of the so called wealthy as you put it are not at all healthy psychologically emotionally or spirituality speaking

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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 01 Jul 2017 09:33 #7

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Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 01 Jul 2017 22:08 #8

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backfromthebrink wrote:
redline wrote:
backfromthebrink wrote:
Wealthy ? Why do people class people who have lots of money as wealthy ? I just dont get that :conf:
I say they got conned in to thinking money = wealth ,Numbers on a screen and paper in their hand shinny toys ,wont teach them how to live off the land ;)

Take what yah need ,too much = greed, that paper money can become an evil seed! to much = greed to much =greed

You think classifying people who have lots of money as poor is going to work? Though no doubt the wealthy would like to try. Not only would it give them more reason to not pay taxed, but it might cut down a little on the envy that the hard working poor have for what the wealthy have. Seeing how you "just don't get" that, I take it you are wealthy. Don't confuse being poor as being gullible.

Il simplify ,true wealth is health ,and many of the so called wealthy as you put it are not at all healthy psychologically emotionally or spirituality speaking
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You are telling the wrong person that the wealthy are screwed up in many ways. I already know. One of the bad things is that they have absolutely convinced most people without the slightest shadow of doubt that being so is the right way to be. Most of those filthy brainwashed cenobites would even fight to the death to keep things that way. Also, there are poor people all over the planet that would classify themselves as being happy. Even though they have far less in material things than we do.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 01 Jul 2017 22:17 #9

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Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.

There really is no such thing as taxation. When you pay taxes, then get most of it back after filing your tax returns, how is that theft. It would more accurately be classified as a loan. After that, is having police, fire departments, mail delivery, a security net for the old and disabled as well as a zillion other things taxation? Next, of course the wealthy have many ways of getting out of paying taxes. I went into that very thing to some degree in my thread. There are far worse things going on than taxation. I assure you.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 12 Aug 2018 23:57 #10

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backfromthebrink wrote:
Wealthy ? Why do people class people who have lots of money as wealthy ? I just dont get that :conf:
I say they got conned in to thinking money = wealth ,Numbers on a screen and paper in their hand shinny toys ,wont teach them how to live off the land ;)

Take what yah need ,too much = greed, that paper money can become an evil seed! to much = greed to much =greed


Interesting bullshit.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 13 Aug 2018 00:00 #11

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Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.


Much tax money goes to infrastructure and social programs that help society in general. So in that regard, you can't call it theft.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 13 Aug 2018 00:06 #12

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steamroller wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.


Much tax money goes to infrastructure and social programs that help society in general. So in that regard, you can't call it theft.
Ha! So if I steal 10,000 dollars from you and use it to build a nice theme park with fountains and walkways for the people I like, it "is not theft"?

You're way behind, steamtroller.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 13 Aug 2018 08:21 #13

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Gaia wrote:
steamroller wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.


Much tax money goes to infrastructure and social programs that help society in general. So in that regard, you can't call it theft.
Ha! So if I steal 10,000 dollars from you and use it to build a nice theme park with fountains and walkways for the people I like, it "is not theft"?

You're way behind, steamtroller.

If the wealthy refuse to contribute anything to the greater segments of society perhaps they should be exiled out of it.

Then again the total wealth of some companies avoiding taxes in every financial loophole in existence already exceeds in number of many nation states where they effectively become their own nation state albeit internationally.

These same companies that exert financial influence over governments and turn them into their own personal errand boys for facilitating power. Of course you being ignorant you'll defend that no doubt.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 13 Aug 2018 10:33 #14

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Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.

We once again enter the realms of what is ones labour, before we can pay taxes we must first exchange our physical labour into what is known as money, only then can we be forced to pay taxes for using that monetary system, this is what taxes really are, they a levvy or charge for our labour in exchange for something we do not really own, even the money in our acounts are not truly ours.

That said, we could make things and trade our labour in other forms of exchange or keep as much of our labour to ourselves without exchanging it for someone elses mecanism of exchange, am I beginning to make sense here, if its hard for one to understand, simply go and see the things I have made for myself and the penny or point that I am trying to put across should finally drop.

This is why we might learn new skills and how to retain our most precious commodity of all time, IE Our Physical Labour.

If you don't your going to give away over half of it to those who never do any of the work, here are your masters and crafty men from Tyre, sitting in their ivory towers and collective administrative centres called medievally as Tamons.
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Do The Wealthy Even Pay Taxes? 13 Aug 2018 22:46 #15

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Gaia wrote:
steamroller wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Taxation is theft. Rich people have more ways available to escape from the robbers than less fortunate sheeple.


Much tax money goes to infrastructure and social programs that help society in general. So in that regard, you can't call it theft.
Ha! So if I steal 10,000 dollars from you and use it to build a nice theme park with fountains and walkways for the people I like, it "is not theft"?

You're way behind, steamtroller.


If I had that kind of money to spare, what could I say. As long as you didn't use it to enrich yourself. Or say, if you owned the construction company that created the park. Neither took any kickbacks from them. But your argument is overly simplistic to begin with. The wealthy just need to pay their fair share. But without knowing how much they actually have, doing so is difficult to do. And with 1% having 99% of the wealth, how can you call taxing them "stealing." Also, back in the time of FDR, the wealthy had 90% of their wealth taxed. But they still managed to live the high life.

Also, as far as stealing (taxing) $10,000 from me, what if that was spread out amongst everybody who paid taxes. What would that come out to. About a quarter of a penny for each tax payer? Another thing is that this page might help you know who pays what in taxes.


So. Have I caught up at all?
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