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TOPIC: Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths.

Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 28 May 2018 21:29 #1

Immigration has been good for Britain. The UK economy has been improved by immigration. These are the FACTS.
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by austerity.

When not associated with rape, murder or violence, migrants were often characterised as job stealers or benefit tourists,” observes the academics’ report. So grab-handedly abhorrent were these newcomers that they were simultaneously taking our jobs and stealing our dole money. Or else they were jostling British mothers out of maternity wards and cramming their kids into British classrooms.

Such poisonous stories were happily ventriloquised by Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, Chris Grayling and Michael Gove. Their reward for helping to generate the hatred that will scar this country for years was, naturally, a big job in government. Their targets, on the other hand, have to live in a society in which racial prejudice is not just normalised but tacitly encouraged by cabinet ministers. Yet time and time again, the politicians’ claims were false.

Study after study has failed to find any evidence of undercutting of wages http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctpb21/Cpapers/DustmannFrattiniHalls2010.pdf. Far from jumping the queue, analysis published by the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows they are much less likely to be on benefits or in social housing than their UK-born counterparts http://taloustieteellinenyhdistys.fi/images/stories/fep/fep12011/fep12011_kerr_and_kerr.pdf

Migrants from eastern Europe pay billions more in taxes to Britain than they take out in public spending. Far from squeezing hospitals and schools, they subsidise and even staff them. Rather than take jobs, they help create them. What has drained money from our public services and held down our wages is the banking crash, and the Tories’ spending cuts. As former Bank of England rate-setter David Blanchflower concludes in a forthcoming book on Brexit and Trump: “Government-imposed austerity has meant their money [migrants’ taxes] has not been used to finance the services they are entitled to, hence the overcrowding. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~blnchflr/Projects.html In one of the most breathtakingly cynical moves of our time, the very same ministers making the cuts looked at the fallout they created and blamed migrants.

The Tories haven’t created this climate alone, of course. From Tony Blair to Ed Miliband, Labour leaders have marched alongside, muttering about “legitimate concerns” and handing out anti-immigration mugs. Forget about the evidence or leadership or having a backbone.

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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 29 May 2018 19:01 #2

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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 30 May 2018 12:45 #3

Anybody who claims that mass immigration has been good for the U.K, for Europe, or for any other developed country around the World for that matter, clearly hasn't got all their witts about them, and clearly hasn't been paying attention to the real situation. Forget what the pro-immigration and totally fake mass media tells you, with their absurd anti-reality propaganda. Open your eyes and start thinking for yourself. Especially when we're dealing with mass movements of unskilled backward thinking and incompatible aliens from the third World that have no place living in a developed & civilized country, or among far more civilized and far more intelligent people.

Either that or the person saying such is just trying to take the piss and mock European peoples, who are now facing the very real possibility and danger of becoming a marginalized and despised minority inside their own homelands! That's no myth either, it's already happening before our very eyes in much of the Western World. Obviously those who claim mass immigration is a good thing have no problem whatsoever with seeing Europeans become minorities inside their homelands..Either that or they're just a clueless idiot with no idea whatsoever to what the real implications of that are, and what will likely happen in the future because of these destructive open border policies..

Saying mass immigration has been good for Europe is almost like saying the Jewish occupation and Jewish mass immigration to Palastine is a good thing.

It's a pure piss take and a mockery of truth, quite frankly. And a clear example of how some people have a totally inverted reality, that clouds and hinders their better judgement.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 30 May 2018 14:42 #4

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Resistance_is_Fruitful wrote:
Migrants from eastern Europe pay billions more in taxes to Britain than they take out in public spending.

This can't be said about Arab, Pakistani or African migrants.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 31 May 2018 02:13 #5

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Migrants from eastern Europe pay billions more in taxes to Britain than they take out in public spending.

This can't be said about Arab, Pakistani or African migrants.

Do you include the building industry, car washers, window cleaners, home cleaners and gardeners as well? All involved with cash jobs.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 12 Jun 2018 04:37 #6

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Resistance_is_Fruitful wrote:
Immigration has been good for Britain..

In limited numbers immigration is good, bur MASS immigration is bad because it's swamped our health, welfare and housing services.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 10:56 #7

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I don't know where you live but in the UK most immigrants are European, mainly Polish/Romanian etc...and they work, it;s right what the OP's said they do contribute more than they take.

There is also an abundance of Indian/Italian/Spanish/Thai/Chinese restaurants and take aways, I don't see that as a bad thing. The NHS has many medical staff from India. Philippines. and other non EU nations, they need to apply for a visa the old fashioned way and can't just turn up like other EU citizens can. So they're here on need and merit so to speak. Without them it's said the NHS would not exist.

As for housing generally they find it difficult because they can't get a UK credit check over the past three years which most letting agencies will ask for, they have the same issue obtaining a Mortgage.

I don't think a lot of the rhetoric that is touted about immigrants by the ones that don't want to see them is always very factual, I don't see any damage done to the UK by them, the only ones that are sort of taking are the ones from Syria etc...or other ones that are refugees and whatnot, who were meant to be screened, on entry, cheaply housed, and returned when the conditions in their own nations permit it.

One thing which 'Tommy Robinson' is right about is there are Muslims who joined AlQaeda/ISIS now free to roam in the UK.

The bit he has excluded is that when the UK government first decided to have a go at Assad in Syria, they actively encouraged any Muslims in the UK to go join in the ''Arab Spring'' there if they wished, and had a guarantee from the then UK prime minister Cameron, that they would be permitted to return.

Some of those people have obviously joined up with extremist fighting groups in Syria and perhaps even into Iraq too...rather than being Syrian citizens opposing a regime, and returned to help their families, they've become full on Jihad fighters. So those people are bad for the UK, but they were made by the UK, and hadn't turned up that way from the outset.

it was a huge error by the then Prime Minister and his cabinet, unless it's something they did on purpose, as part of an evil scheme. which is also a bad thing, but can't really be called an error.

Anyway, I already know that posters here won't agree with all that, but that's my view on it. Someone I know well is Italian who works here, in a university, and gives a lot of free time to charity, and animal welfare, along with voluntary working as part of a community soup kitchen during the Christmas period.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 11:54 #8

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What Brexit means for those who don't want to see non white people in the UK, is that there will be less Polish, and other Eastern European people immigrating and more people from Asia, Africa, etc...

It's why if you're a white Nationalist voting to stay in the EU would have helped your cause.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 13:24 #9

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Frothy wrote:
What Brexit means for those who don't want to see non white people in the UK, is that there will be less Polish, and other Eastern European people immigrating and more people from Asia, Africa, etc...
It's why if you're a white Nationalist voting to stay in the EU would have helped your cause.

Some East European people are just as unwelcome here as some Asians and Africans etc..:)
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 13:27 #10

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The NHS has many medical staff from India. Philippines. and other non EU nations..

Yes and hopefully they'll one day learn to speak, read and write English..;)
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 13:53 #11

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The NHS has many medical staff from India. Philippines. and other non EU nations..

Yes and hopefully they'll one day learn to speak, read and write English..;)

As long as they can fix an injury or treat an illness, that's the main thing. I think most of the actual surgeons, consultants, qualified nursing staff, speak English well, it's some of the auxiliary staff that don't have such a good level of English. But sure many health professionals have foreign accents, that's because they're immigrants. Are you supposing they should attend elocution lessons as an immigration criterion?

NHS staff speak, read, write, English to a degree so they can function in their roles, or they wouldn't even get a visa in most cases.

Perhaps medical staff with North East accents shouldn't be allowed to work in the South, they don't speak right for that huh? If it's all about the patter,
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 13 Jun 2018 13:54 #12

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What Brexit means for those who don't want to see non white people in the UK, is that there will be less Polish, and other Eastern European people immigrating and more people from Asia, Africa, etc...
It's why if you're a white Nationalist voting to stay in the EU would have helped your cause.

Some East European people are just as unwelcome here as some Asians and Africans etc..:)

Maybe, but the outcome will be less white immigrants and more 'darkies' contrary to white nationalist wishes.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 03:01 #13

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The NHS has many medical staff from India. Philippines. and other non EU nations..

Ugh replied-Yes and hopefully they'll one day learn to speak, read and write English..;)

Frothy said-As long as they can fix an injury or treat an illness, that's the main thing. I think most of the actual surgeons, consultants, qualified nursing staff, speak English well, it's some of the auxiliary staff that don't have such a good level of English..

Yes it's a bit like when we have to phone up a call centre that's based overseas, if we're lucky the adviser can speak good English, but most of the time we can't understand what they're talking about..:)
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 08:59 #14

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Frothy wrote:
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What Brexit means for those who don't want to see non white people in the UK, is that there will be less Polish, and other Eastern European people immigrating and more people from Asia, Africa, etc...
It's why if you're a white Nationalist voting to stay in the EU would have helped your cause.

Some East European people are just as unwelcome here as some Asians and Africans etc..:)

Maybe, but the outcome will be less white immigrants and more 'darkies' contrary to white nationalist wishes.

Not if we just close the doors and only admit useful migrants instead of illiterate savages and piss takers.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 09:51 #15

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The NHS has many medical staff from India. Philippines. and other non EU nations..

Yes and hopefully they'll one day learn to speak, read and write English..;)

As long as they can fix an injury or treat an illness, that's the main thing. I think most of the actual surgeons, consultants, qualified nursing staff, speak English well, it's some of the auxiliary staff that don't have such a good level of English. But sure many health professionals have foreign accents, that's because they're immigrants. Are you supposing they should attend elocution lessons as an immigration criterion?

NHS staff speak, read, write, English to a degree so they can function in their roles, or they wouldn't even get a visa in most cases.

Perhaps medical staff with North East accents shouldn't be allowed to work in the South, they don't speak right for that huh? If it's all about the patter,

Its not just about how they speak...its their attitude towards native English is very robotic.
They couldn't give a monkeys basically. Coz they are used to working in shit holes back home.
Where they have caste systems that shit on the poor! Or all private health.
They will work for cheaper money, zero contract..
A globalist wet dream.
Is very scarey for old people in hospital too.
This is the reality Frothy you are delusional on this.

All the people out of work up north should be drafted in & trained like in the old days in hospitals.

I dont buy into all this skilled workers crap & only admitting academics..if you cant educate your own people to do them jobs then theres obviously a massive issue with the system.

All doctors, dentist, lawyer........are Indian where I live or imports of some description. Its disgusting.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 12:38 #16

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Years ago i recall having read somewhere that one of the rockefellers (nelson maybe? ) talked about an agenda of creating large state run health centers (back in the 60s iirc ) ... and having these state run practises ultimately do away with having numerous private pracitses and self employed GPs etc... the doctors to be employed by the state.

I see this coming to fruition now, and part of state run health centers is obviously reducing costs, so they are importing doctors and other health workers who will do the work for less, while at the same time keeping admission standards very high for medical degrees domestically for example.. which results in shortages of home grown doctors.

All by design i reckon porridge, i dont think they want to educate more locals but rather import as they are.

Your last line above its becoming much the same here and its not a coincidence... ive even seen african doctors at a newish (less that 10 years old ) 'super clinic' here, but yea the majority are indian. One clinic will have like 10 doctors in it at any given time... the old school home grown GPs with their own practice are a dying breed literally or around retirement age.

African and indian nurses also in spades.
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 12:40 #17

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Spades? Freudian or your humour? :)
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 12:46 #18

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Spades? Freudian or your humour? :)

www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-spades.html
What's the meaning of the phrase 'In spades'?
In abundance; very much.


^ Thats all i meant by it, nothing more.

I honestly dont know what youre on about, its gone over my head. :hahano: :gmc:
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 13:01 #19

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Spades is a brit slang term for feargal sharkeys which is a slang term for darkie which is a slang term for blacks.
Feargal Sharkey was lead singer for The Undertones.
Now you knowvum. ;)
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Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths. 14 Jun 2018 13:20 #20

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^ I did not know that, sincerely. :) Hardly any blacks here (until recently) so i suppose it never came up within earshot of me when the brits were slang rhyming.

I remember seeing like 1 african as a kid growing up (in real life).. he lived at the end of my street and actually was brought over as a football player for a national league team (roundball football not aussie football)
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