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TOPIC: The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY

The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 02 Sep 2019 23:54 #1

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Discussion topic for the notion that Space Travel is Impossible and will Always Be.

Background and constant updates can be found in the main topic.



1969 "photo" of "space" - what is not right here?



Teapot and pipe Space Porn - Apollo 15 rendez vous :shemused:



Histogram whites of this Apollo 15 photo (early 1990s!!)

Notice the unnatural distribution and missing whites.
Compare to one of my own starry photo histograms, they all show this natural distribution of dark greys, not pitch black as in Apollo 15 (1989/1990s)







Fake ISS; why can this NEVER be real?



Everything becomes solid or fluid (H and He) under the alleged conditions of space; T = 3 K / -270 C, 10^-16 bar...



"Chemtrails"; a new survey for Google Earth (or similar).



Shipping lane density map



Flight paths map



Military bases (US only)

Brazilian balloons are fake satellites





15 ways how to fake satellites



For All Mankind (1989)




Conspiracy Music Guru


Do You Still Believe We Went to the Moon?


ISS Puppet Show


Welcome to the Satellite Hoax


No Photographs of Earth

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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 02 Sep 2019 23:58 #2

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Ugh wrote:
Like I've said in TZ before, it's easy to think Apollo 11 was faked as a "panic measure" in order to meet JFK's pledge to put men on the moon before the end of the 1960's, and also to boost American prestige and morale because Nam was going badly for them.
Certainly the images from the moon were suspiciously grainy as if to hide any clues in the studio set.
BUT BUT BUT I simply can't believe Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins were liars, so I think Ap 11 was 99% genuine.
Or the crew might have absolutely no guilt feelings about lying, and think "we lied for our country in the name of patriotism".


After 71 years of very successful indoctrination, especially in your case, perfectly understandable.

We want to keep it real. In our hearts and minds. Of course. How awesome is it that mankind can leave the surface of Gaia; from which he is born and will return to.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Ever.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 00:17 #3

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OK .... give me your very best reason why You think space travel is impossible , and I'll demolish it ... JUST ONE REASON ....

I'm a very highly trained physicist , but have a very good understanding of the real truth about space ....

Brief timeline of humans in Space ....

After WWII NAZIS escaped to base in Antarctica and continued work on aniti grav UFO type craft ... 1949 they had a small base on the Moon ...

US soon followed getting tech assistance from another ET group ... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ...

Apollo was faked , couldn't be done with primitive rocket tech ...a distraction for the masses

These two separate factions continued to grow both the NAZIS and the cabal run SSP now have millions of humans off world , vast fleets of craft , these humans were abducted from Earth and are mostly slaves .
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 01:16 #4

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oz93666 wrote:
OK .... give me your very best reason why You think space travel is impossible , and I'll demolish it ... JUST ONE REASON ....

I'm a very highly trained physicist , but have a very good understanding of the real truth about space ....

Brief timeline of humans in Space ....

After WWII NAZIS escaped to base in Antarctica and continued work on aniti grav UFO type craft ... 1949 they had a small base on the Moon ...

US soon followed getting tech assistance from another ET group ... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ...

Apollo was faked , couldn't be done with primitive rocket tech ...a distraction for the masses

These two separate factions continued to grow both the NAZIS and the cabal run SSP now have millions of humans off world , vast fleets of craft , these humans were abducted from Earth and are mostly slaves .

I cant answer your question, but welcome you here as you are participating in a polite even mannered manner. I hope established members treat you with respect. Sadly some will not.


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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 01:34 #5

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oz93666 wrote:
... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ....

I have never heard of this story, can you give a source and more explanation about it please?

And yes, as Voltaire eloquently as always said; welcome.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 08:24 #6

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Gaia wrote:
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... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ....

I have never heard of this story, can you give a source and more explanation about it please?

And yes, as Voltaire eloquently as always said; welcome.

Thanks for the welcome Gaia and Voltair ... don't worry , I've got a thick skin ....

It's easier to start this story with the NAZIS , this is very well documented ... William Tompkins was an excellent source (he died some years ago) , born in 1913 he was active in spying on Germany during WWII .. here's a fascinating , fairly short interview he had with Jeff Rense

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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 14:49 #7

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So how come people can see and photograph the ISS in some detail with a half decent telescope?
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 15:35 #8

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oz93666 wrote:
OK .... give me your very best reason why You think space travel is impossible , and I'll demolish it ... JUST ONE REASON ....

Depends what type of space travel you mean; for example travel to planets in our own solar system would take months which is quite possible, but travel to planets circling other stars would take YEARS and would be almost impossible because the astronauts would be dead of old age by the time they arrived..::)
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 03 Sep 2019 19:19 #9

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Gaia wrote:
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... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ....

I have never heard of this story, can you give a source and more explanation about it please?

Here's his source.





Looks legit, doesn't it?
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 05:09 #10

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Flare wrote:
Gaia wrote:
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... they had a base on the moon by 1960 ....

I have never heard of this story, can you give a source and more explanation about it please?

Here's his source.

Looks legit, doesn't it?

Well first I would point out the movie Iron Sky , above , came out in 2012 ... decades after many reports of NAZIS in Space...

But the controllers know most of the public wouldn't notice that ....

Such dis-info movies are a common tactic of cabal controlled Hollywood .... they put out a garbled twisted version of the truth , so if any whistle-blowers should appear , the masses laugh .."He's been watching too many movies"

Another example is Total Recall this movie is a story of someone who discovers his memories are false , and he has really been on Mars for years working on secret government programs.
This is real ...As I covered earlier the Cabal and the NAZIS have off world empires ... as we speak there are millions of humans on Mars , many were abducted from Earth (missing children) , they mostly work in underground industrial complexes producing weapons and ships .... Here's the story of someone who worked on Mars in the military, after 20 years service their memories are wiped , they are de-aged and returned to Earth ... he's just one of a dozen whistle-blowers from the SSP ...(Secret Space Program)

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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 05:26 #11

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Ugh wrote:
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OK .... give me your very best reason why You think space travel is impossible , and I'll demolish it ... JUST ONE REASON ....

Depends what type of space travel you mean; for example travel to planets in our own solar system would take months which is quite possible, but travel to planets circling other stars would take YEARS and would be almost impossible because the astronauts would be dead of old age by the time they arrived..::)

So you agree space travel is possible , just that it will be slow ...
We must understand every institution in society is corrupted by design to hold humanity back ... the medical system , education , and particularly science ... with the primitive technology that passes for cutting edge here , space travel would be slow . In secret they have anti-gravity, very fast UFO type craft , de-ageing , worm holes ... anything you can imagine , They keep us enslaved by keeping our technology stone age ... In the empire they have off world the tech is advanced but the regime more tyrannical ...

I am in agreement with (moderator) Gaia's position ... I think she instinctively realizes going off world would be bad news for humanity . This is true from a physical viewpoint... without gravity muscles would atrophy ... But also energetically to be separated from Earth's energy for long would not be beneficial.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 10:44 #12

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oz93666 wrote:
Well first I would point out the movie Iron Sky , above , came out in 2012 ... decades after many reports of NAZIS in Spacee
Total Recall this movie is a story ... memories are false , and he has really been on Mars for years working on secret government programs.
This is real

...as we speak there are millions of humans on Mars , many were abducted from Earth (missing children) , they mostly work in underground industrial complexes producing weapons and ships .... Here's the story of someone who worked on Mars in the military, after 20 years service their memories are wiped , they are de-aged and returned to Earth ... he's just one of a dozen whistle-blowers from the SSP ...(Secret Space Program)

I love it when people have a large fantasy pool.

But sorry, you went all bananas when I backed up my thesis that space travel is impossible, while you take plots of books and films literally, and "millions of people" live on Mars... You see the irony here? You explain it in your next post.

Just 3 questions; how does "de-aging" work, how do you KNOW (noy BELIEVE) all these scifi technologies exist and why do you call them (who?) "NAZIS"?
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 13:00 #13

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Well first I would point out the movie Iron Sky , above , came out in 2012 ... decades after many reports of NAZIS in Spacee
Total Recall this movie is a story ... memories are false , and he has really been on Mars for years working on secret government programs.
This is real

...as we speak there are millions of humans on Mars , many were abducted from Earth (missing children) , they mostly work in underground industrial complexes producing weapons and ships .... Here's the story of someone who worked on Mars in the military, after 20 years service their memories are wiped , they are de-aged and returned to Earth ... he's just one of a dozen whistle-blowers from the SSP ...(Secret Space Program)

I love it when people have a large fantasy pool.

But sorry, you went all bananas when I backed up my thesis that space travel is impossible, while you take plots of books and films literally, and "millions of people" live on Mars... You see the irony here? You explain it in your next post.

Just 3 questions; how does "de-aging" work, how do you KNOW (noy BELIEVE) all these scifi technologies exist and why do you call them (who?) "NAZIS"?

Your posts suggest you haven't bothered to look at the video I posted in response to your last question ...I'm not going to spoon feed people !

Those who don't know whats going on are those who haven't taken the time to examine the evidence .
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 13:57 #14

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In your view a discussion by two mature people consists of videodumping? Or can you explain your claims in your own words with videos to serve as back up extended information, like I do it?

Btw; I live on the opposite side of the globe from you.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 17:20 #15

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So you agree space travel is possible , just that it will be slow ..

Unless we learn to "travel" instantaneously by telepathy. For example a bunch of friendly aliens on the other side of the universe might be beaming the telepathic message into space "Is there anybody out there?", but the human brain has trouble decoding it, so the recipients "see" UFO's and alien images.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 04 Sep 2019 17:29 #16

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[to Gaia]-Your posts suggest you haven't bothered to look at the video I posted in response to your last question ...I'm not going to spoon feed people !
Those who don't know whats going on are those who haven't taken the time to examine the evidence .

No offence but as I've said before in TZ, I can't be bothered to watch videos that are dumped on us (unless they're only a minute or two long) because I'd rather hear the poster say what he's got to say briefly in his own words (take it as a compliment) not let a vid do his talking for him.
Likewise I usually don't follow any links that are posted, and I don't read long posts.
This is a discussion forum after all, not youtube
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 05 Sep 2019 11:05 #17

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I am in agreement with (moderator) Gaia's position ... I think she instinctively realizes going off world would be bad news for humanity . This is true from a physical viewpoint... without gravity muscles would atrophy ... But also energetically to be separated from Earth's energy for long would not be beneficial.

Space travel includes unmanned craft, so really the discussion is 'can an object be pinged through the Earth's atmosphere?'

Or better still, 'is there a material that can withstand travelling through the Earth's atmosphere?'

I doubt there's much debate on being able to reach it.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 05 Sep 2019 18:53 #18

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The thing with the space travel myth is that the maths do add up. They made sure that that worked. But maths is nothing more than a language. One can use it they way they want, with certain axioms of course.

But what is the lesson from all the Einsteinian and other metaphysical magic? That maths can work, and it is possible to push it far beyond the boundaries a normal human being can grasp, that doesn’t mean they describe reality? It is fantasy. Magic. With magicians with special knowledge. Alchemy, almost.

What NASA cum suis do is not necessarily faking reality, but approaching it as if things work in isolation. They present us with 2, maximum 3 body problems [as that is what is at least solvable with normal maths and minds] but we are not talking about just the end of the trunk, you cannot just deny that the rest of the elephant exists. And affects you.

We are talking about million body problems here, which are unsolvable, even if it were physically possible to leave Earth.

No matter what you believe in, what I call FoC; “Force of the Cosmos”, be it gravitational, electro-magnetical, charge, ether, gods or spaghetti monsters playing spiral games, whatever, there is a force, or more, that keep(s) the whole divinely harmonious 4D marble set going; the machine with the biggest, heaviest, most electromagnetic, charged and dominant bodies we cannot imagine.

And then, suddenly, some humans [who stem from bloodlines of stage magicians] on one of these balls think they can beat that whole harmonious set, overcome the Force of the Cosmos that keeps them stored on their home planet? No, but really?


Look up Lagrangian points and SOHO, they are so funny. :shemused: :shemused:

“Parking places in space”, “always with a nice view of the Sun”, “missions work without any issues”, “material sciences? Nah, that’d spoil the story”.

Euro Disney was more real, really.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 05 Sep 2019 19:55 #19

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There are no storms or bad weather in space or on the moon so it's a piece o' cake compared to say air or sea travel.
I think I read somewhere that the only possible danger is from radiation, but the risk is so small that astronauts are willing to chance it.
For example many of the Apollo crews are still alive without harmful effects almost 50 years later.


Gaia: Beautiful circular reasoning.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 07 Sep 2019 15:40 #20

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Ugh wrote:
There are no storms or bad weather in space or on the moon so it's a piece o' cake compared to say air or sea travel.
@Ugh: Beautiful circular reasoning.

A major impossibilty in the moon landings is that it's impossible to fly in vacuum. It can't be tested at all let alone be trained.
This already makes the moon landing impossible...

Even the tests that could have been done (if it were possible to fly to the moon surface and back again) on earth weren't done.
Like for example any test of a flying object landing, after an initial flying speed of more than 6000 km/h...


The following picture explains that a rocket in vacuum could at best work at a very low efficiency.
This also proves that landing on the moon and flying back again is impossible.


On the other hand many science fiction artists that were involved in staging the moon landings for NASA have an extensive background in space movies involving special effects: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=138&start=10#p4833
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
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