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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 10:16 #41

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There are several instances which were crucial to the outcome of the World War II... of wich Dunkirk and Stalingrad were the most remarkable ones and is seen by many as 'foul play due to Hitler and staff being under Zionist control.'

Let's go into Dunkirk first:

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The Dunkirk miracle—was it really Hitler’s error?

Translators' Commentary: A lot of consternation and wild speculation among military historians has centered about the Dunkirk operation of May 26 to June 4, 1940. Hitler’s description of these fateful days strongly supports the belief that it was primarily political considerations that led him to the decision to hold the panzers which were ready to encircle and defeat close to a half million soldiers of the British expedition corps. We know of Hitler’s aversion—at least at that time—to fight the Brits tooth and nail.

He thought his already obvious victory in the West should convince England to enter into peace negotiations and discussions of a new order in Europe together with Germany. Thoughts of himself as a European, and not only a German, military leader were in his mind—thoughts very different, as we know, from those of Churchill and his sinister advisers and dark Hintermaenner who wanted war.

The decision to hold the panzer corps at Dunkirk was discussed at the OKW and agreed to by von Rundstedt and his chief of staff—Manstein`s successor—Gen. von Sodenstern. Hitler, Keitel, Jodel and Rundstedt had two military considerations in mind leading to this decision:

1) The rapid thrust of the panzer had driven men and material to the utmost limits—rest and repair were necessary. On May 23rd, Panzerkorps Kleist reported close to 50% of their panzers lost. The flat environment of Dunkirk demanded full strength of the panzer corps. Rundstedt gave the halt order and overruled OKH, and Brauchitsch and Halder’s further advance.

2) The Southern flank of Army Group A was partly wide open. Even though the sickle movement of the two Army groups cut the Allied forces in half, there were still formidable French forces, tanks and motorized divisions assembled South and West of the Somme and Aisne to be reckoned with.

It is also known that Goering assured Hitler that the Luftwaffe, if called, would be able to devastate the grounded British expedition corps. As it turned out, the bad weather grounded the Reichsmarschall’s bombers for days, allowing 338,000 British soldiers to escape across the channel. England was saved, but thousands of weapons and vehicles were left at the beaches.

German Panzer and infantry crossed the Somme and Marne after a short, hard fought battle and took Paris. In a forest clearing at Compiegne, in the same railway car the German delegation signed the armistice in 1918, the French general Huntzinger signed the new armistice of June 22, 1940.

Adolf Hitler continues: “The opponent was actually decisively beaten in the North sector. Pressed from the East and South by our fast-moving troops, cut off towards the West, only the sea remained as the last open flight path. The mass of those primarily English forces was concentrated around Dunkirk, on the Flanders plains, which I remembered well from my world war time. Oh, I know, my Dunkirk decision was described as a big mistake, not only by the circle of the so-smart general staff—those “know it alls” and those with their so-Christian feelings—thought it was my biggest stupidity not to have completely destroyed the already-beaten British forces.

"Various considerations kept me from doing so.

"First, the military reasons. The Flanders lowlands restrict tank operations basically to the roads. Long drawn-out battles, with our own losses and the possible high breakdown of our tanks, were to be expected. For further necessary operations towards the West and South, into France proper, I could not sacrifice one tank. But above all, we must not waste our strength and lose time. The enemy had been shocked; now everything had to be done stroke by stroke.

"After listening to Rundstedt, my inner circle of military advisers also shared that opinion. It was absolutely necessary to continue the attack to the West and South without any hesitation before the enemy succeeds in building up a strong defense along the Somme and the Aisne. Our follow-up thrust already met with strong resistance there. It also had to be assumed the English would send additional troops, assisted by the artillery support of their battleships, across the Channel – they could not let France down as they did Poland!

"We had to attack towards the West—Paris and Northern France had to be taken very fast, to make it impossible for the English to land additional troops. We also had to direct an offensive toward the South, with a thrust behind the French fortifications. We had to enforce a final decision and thus bring the French campaign to a quick finish because there was another reason of a military-political kind. I did not remain orientated to only one side: for a long time I was listening, worried, toward the East.

"And did not a slight possibility of peace still exist, even though a vague one, which I might have obstructed by a pitiless defeat of the Dunkirk army?”

Adolf Hitler was deliberating on rational grounds as he was so often doing in the past years; he did not think only as a German—he thought as a European. He truly thought in a sense of a higher humanity which he wanted to be realized within ethnically-based unified societies (Volksgemeinschaften).

That he judged the possibility of peace higher, there is in my eyes one proof: On June 24, 1940, at his headquarters Bruly de Peche, he gave orders for peacetime tasks10, issuing a decree on the 25th giving authority to Speer and me to begin the restructuring of German cities.

Later, I was once more reminded of the “mistake of Dunkirk.” If I remember correctly, it was in August 1943 after the devastating air attacks in Hamburg. In an adjoining room, Adolf Hitler gave orders to an adjutant. A pile of photographs were lying on a table; I picked them up.

They were horrible testimonials of the effect the phosphor-hail had on women and children by that terrible terror attack at Hamburg with over 40,000 civilian death victims.

When Adolf Hitler returned to the work room, he saw the photographs in my hand. With a quiet, but very resolute voice he said: “Let it go, Giesler, don’t look at the pictures anymore. After a while, I had to rethink. It didn’t agree with my character to step on the one who lies on the ground. I was mistaken—magnanimity will not be recognized. They repay my sparing them at Dunkirk with bombs and phosphor on women and children whose men and husbands were fighting for Europe. What you see there is destructive brutality”—he pointed to the photographs—“again and again one tries not to believe this; now I know—no mercy!”

Those words were for me proof that his decisions at that time came from ethical ideas of war, rather than only military and political reasons.

I thought back to fall 1942 at Winniza. Upset and pondering, I had arrived there late at night or early morning and could not sleep. After Adolf Hitler talked with me, the explanation for his mistrust and chilly attitude toward the generals was evident. It was not commonly so, because, contrary to that, he kept the front officers and fighting troops in high esteem—and of whom he said: They know what is at stake.

It dawned on me why he so thoroughly explained, with the map documents, his strategic and tactical decisions and the way the French campaign was won. It was not based on the fact that the first example of that documentation was now set on the table; it was not just the explanation of his carefully planned campaign. No doubt, by reviewing, he wanted to assure himself that his strategic idea, his tactical dispositions were correct and had led to a surprisingly rapid success. His explanations were by no means arrogant. Deeds, courage and self-sacrifice of the soldiers and commanders always took first place, above all events.

"Only with such soldiers and officers could I dare to plan such an audacious performance,” he said to me. He followed with the remark, “The strategy for the Russian campaign was deliberated exactly the same way.”

For awhile he was silent and then he continued, “When I recognized, after the talks with Molotov, that no other possibilities existed—I had the choice: fight or give up and betray Europe. I decided to fight. It was the hardest decision of my life.”

I asked myself: Why does Adolf Hitler reveal all these problems and thoughts to me. Apart from the fact that his loneliness urged him to talk, he knew I was not only a National Socialist and follower he could trust, but, in addition, close to him as his architect.

He also recognized that I understood his goals—even more, he sensed that I saw him as a far-forward thinker who was already planning and fighting for the next generation. The joint work on city building conceptions and their architectural details created trust; he accepted and respected me. During those hours of mutual planning, he saw himself bound to peace, and his real mission as forming a new social order of the German people and their environment. He found the answer to the challenge of the time, the challenge of the technique, and the challenge of the new social order. In those hours, he was lifted up; I was more to him than his architect.

As always, I attended lunch. Adolf Hitler was pensive; our discussion was restricted to my impressions of the Danube bank design in Budapest. Right on the first day of our joint lunch and dinner, I asked to be served the same food as he was having. Hitler mentioned that I could order the mess-menu—it would not disturb him at all.

"No,” I replied, “I’m not pretending. I really want to get acquainted with your diet, and for the orderlies it is simpler to serve.” So I spooned the roasted semolina soup and forked the potato pancakes with vegetables. At that lunch, they served milk-rice, and with it ground chocolate in a small cup, as dessert. I sprinkled some over the milk-rice. Adolf Hitler criticized, “That’s too little—it is a rare pleasure,” and then poured nearly everything out of the cup over my rice.

"I am not allowed too much of it,” he remarked. I could see that by his small rice portion. It was rather surprising how little nourishment he needed.

After dinner he said, “Giesler, you are not only exhausted, but you also have not had enough sleep. I can see it. You will now take a walk, naturally with company—with Professor Brandt—and then go to the sauna, and you will sleep well. I’m very busy with military discussions and deadlines; no planning talks today. I’ll see you at tea time, late evening after the Lage.”

During the walk, I talked with Karl Brandt, of whom I think highly, about Hitler’s loneliness and his great burden. “If I am already worn out after hours in my small professional work here, and the talks with him, think then about the continuous demands made on him.”

"No,” Brandt interrupted me, “you have to look at it differently, Giesler. It’s obvious that you are tired out by the nightly discussions with the Chief, but also obvious that, for him, it means complete relaxation. He gains distance and new energy for decision-making. That’s why you’re so important here now.

Keitel and Jodl explain

I had dinner at the casino barracks and had a chance to talk to Field Marshal Keitel, with General Jodl present—naturally about the French campaign. I wanted to listen to his assessment.

"Well, when I think about the past it gives me confidence,” Keitel said. “He rarely talks about it; he was probably inspired by the map-collection.

What he presented to you, based on the maps, I can only add it was his idea, in all details his work. He alone was the commander of the French campaign.”

Keitel continued, “When he explained, in January 1940, his concept about the Western campaign, worked out to all strategic details, I was startled by his audacity, even though I had to acknowledge the brilliant strategy.” Jodl nodded, agreeing, and remarked, “We were pretty much perplexed when he put it on our table, complete with all details!”

"For his attack solution, he first won Jodl over, when I still could not accept it,” Keitel added. “I asked myself: would we succeed in deceiving the Allies to such an extent that they would thrust their motorized army and tank units into the Belgian-Holland region, in order to block the ‘Schliefen-Wing’? Would they consider the breakthrough at Sedan as a tactical, space-limited attack only? Could the flanks for the panzer thrust to the coast be secured at all? I never would have had the courage for such an audacious operation.

"General Schmundt said later that Manstein had the same thoughts. His ideas were not accepted and were refused by the chief of the General Staff (Halder). I found that out in January and arranged that Manstein could present his ideas to the Fuehrer. That was possible when he reported to the Fuehrer after his nomination to a Commanding General (Kommandierenden General) in middle February 1940.

"At that time, the Fuehrer had already planned and committed down to tactical details beyond the strategic operations—up to the commandos he needed for Eben Emael. With an incomparable insistence, he pushed through his strategic ideas and all tactical measurements. When Manstein presented his ideas for an offensive campaign, he could by that time only confirm what the Fuehrer had intended.”

Field Marshal Keitel and General Jodl were hung at Nuremberg11; General Schmundt became a victim of the July 20th assassination. But the Field Marshal confirmed what I heard from him in Winniza in the notes he left. The courageous, inspired strategy of the Western campaign was explicitly and absolutely Adolf Hitler’s work; he alone was the chief commander of the French campaign.

Endnotes

1. Winniza, Ukraine was the location of Hitler‘s headquarters called Werwolf. Franz Franz

2. Halder, Kriegstagwebuch 1939-1942, 3 vols., Stuttgart Kohlahammer, 1962-64

3. Some staff officers on the way from Luftwaffen General Felmy (chief of Luftflotte 2) to a place in the Rhine Valley—they were supposed to go by train, but they got hold of a small 4-seater plane—ran into foggy weather and emergency-landed in Dutch territory. One staff officer tried to burn, and then swallow, the documents they were carrying, but was not successful. They were delivered to the Dutch General Staff and, because the secrecy was breached, the attack had to be postponed. Felby was replaced because of this incident.

4. Halder was the chief of the general staff at that time. Schliefen’s plan in WWI was to make the right wing of the German forces strong and fast-moving. However, they stopped at the Marne River and didn’t move on; never captured Paris.

5. See TBR, Jan/Feb 2009, “Hitler in Paris” part two, page 60

6. The Nov. 8, 1939 bomb explosion at the Buergerbraukeller in Munich, which Hitler attended, but left early.

7. It was Hans Oster, who passed the date of the invasion of the Netherlands to the Dutch attache in Berlin. (See TBR, Nov/Dec 2009, “Valkyrie-The Last Circle,” page 51)

8. Schmundt from the Wehrmacht (Armed Forces), von Puttkammer from the Navy, von Below from the Luftwaffe, Engle from the Army, Schaub from the Party.

9. Chief of Staff OKW Wilhelm Keitel and his assistant Chief of Operations OKW Alfred Jodl.

10. At the time of the German-French armistice, Hitler visited Paris with architects Giesler and Speer. Hitler told them, “For you a tough time begins, work and pressure, the forming of cities and monuments which are put into your trust.” (See TBR, Jan/Feb 2009, “Hitler in Paris,” page 58)

11. Though Keitel and Jodl pleaded not guilty, the Nuremberg court found them both guilty on all charges, and shamefully hanged them on October 16, 1946, though they had requested to be executed by a firing squad, which was the only honorable method for officers. Jodl’s last words were “My greetings to you, my Germany;” Keitel’s were “I follow now my sons—all for Germany!” In 1953, Jodl was found posthumously “not guilty” by a German court and the verdict was declared “a mistake.”

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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 14:36 #42

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Why is another Hitler thread required?

This one already has close to 3,000 posts and covers this information given it was set up by hasbara trolls in the first place

truth-zone.net/forum/history/65789-adolf-hitler.html

This is not "another Hitler thread". This is a thread with a specific thesis and points to that thesis as shown in the OP. I found this Jim Condit yesterday and it was good to see that he covered many points that I had thought about "before".

Hasbara troll is just an empty accusation, or you have evidence to back up wiiikiid is an hasbara troll? That we can discuss elsewhere, not here.
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 14:57 #43

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There are several instances which were crucial to the outcome of the World War II... of wich Dunkirk and Stalingrad were the most remarkable ones and is seen by many as 'foul play due to Hitler and staff being under Zionist control.'

Let's go into Dunkirk first:

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The Dunkirk miracle—was it really Hitler’s error?

...

carolynyeager.net/ein-anderer-hitler-hermann-giesler-west-offensive

This piece doesn't address anywhere that Hitler was Zionist-controlled. It takes the decisions and comments of Hitler himself seriously and in the meantime glorifies the man and the regime. It is thus a mainstream narrative, but with a twist. Like saying "I really liked that ISIS shot Hebdo"; not addressing the controlled status and just praising the actions that are fake in the first place.

Ridiculous examples:
Thoughts of himself as a European, and not only a German, military leader were in his mind—thoughts very different, as we know, from those of Churchill and his sinister advisers and dark Hintermaenner who wanted war.
As it turned out, the bad weather grounded the Reichsmarschall’s bombers for days, allowing 338,000 British soldiers to escape across the channel. England was saved, but thousands of weapons and vehicles were left at the beaches.
Adolf Hitler was deliberating on rational grounds as he was so often doing in the past years; he did not think only as a German—he thought as a European. He truly thought in a sense of a higher humanity which he wanted to be realized within ethnically-based unified societies (Volksgemeinschaften).

:larf: :larf: :larf:

1 - it is impossible to know what someone "truly thinks", less the leader of a heavily propagandising regime
2 - it is completely flawed - many of his men were at least partly jewish, like Adolph Rothschild himself (that propaganda piece on his "family" makes sense; the real antisemites don't want him to be a jew, but those who look deeper realise the problems with that), so there was no "ethnically-based" society, at least not among the high-ranking officers. The Nazis of today acknowledge this with the "150,000 jews were in the Nazi regime" meme, so they are inconsistent here.
Those words were for me proof that his decisions at that time came from ethical ideas of war, rather than only military and political reasons.

And again taking the propaganda for truth. "Ethical ideas of war"?? :iitm: :iitm: :iitm:
That he judged the possibility of peace higher, there is in my eyes one proof: On June 24, 1940, at his headquarters Bruly de Peche, he gave orders for peacetime tasks, issuing a decree on the 25th giving authority to Speer and me to begin the restructuring of German cities.

And again... the propaganda that the Nazis wanted peace is complete and utter bullshit. They wanted war, as that was the main driver for their economy and they had build up an enormous army they had to use somehow. It was also the goal of the Zionists in the background with multiple purposes:
- let the National Socialists and Soviet Socialists fight each other
- sell them (the resources for) all those weapons
- give out bank loans that they in their respective regimes can outsource to the poor people again
- create an as bad as possible monster to have as a schtick forever against Germany
- create an as bad as possible monster to create the "moral" ground for Israel
- create mayhem to push the jews (who didn't want to leave Europe) to Israel
- destroy Western Europe and then let the "magical" "saviours" of the Marshall Plan come in to "build up" the continent
- implement US bases in Germany for full military control

The Nazis (and the Soviets as well) played their pawn roles very "well"; it turned out exactly as the Zionists controlling both in the highest ranks has hoped. It's like ISIS fighting Al Qaeda.

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I have no doubt that if one follows the narrative of Hitler the propagandist, one would "debunk" the "mistake" of Dunkirk.
The problem is that it was indeed not a "mistake", nor a "Hitler was such a nice and empathetic guy" diversion. Hitler didn't attack the British because he was controlled by them.

Compare:
Mainstream - "ISIS made a mistake for not attacking Israel around the corner, but to infiltrate Europe"
Whitewashing Yeager-type - "ISIS was so considerate and empathic to not attack Israel, it really shows what a great organisation it is"
Thesis Gaia and supported by Condits points - "ISIS did not attack Israel, because they are controlled by them"
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 16:57 #44

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Orangeaid wrote:
Why is another Hitler thread required?

This one already has close to 3,000 posts and covers this information given it was set up by hasbara trolls in the first place

truth-zone.net/forum/history/65789-adolf-hitler.html

This is not "another Hitler thread". This is a thread with a specific thesis and points to that thesis as shown in the OP. I found this Jim Condit yesterday and it was good to see that he covered many points that I had thought about "before".

Hasbara troll is just an empty accusation, or you have evidence to back up wiiikiid is an hasbara troll? That we can discuss elsewhere, not here.

Yes, Jim Condit discusses a lot of topics you (and others) thought about before.. but it's him talking from his pov only so it's a one-way street.

Have you listened to the debate between him and Carolyn Yaeger? As that's more fair since that is a two-way street on this matter.

Here it is: archive.org/details/DeannaSpingolaWithCarolynYeagerAndJimConditJr-DebateAllegedHitler
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 17:03 #45

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…and the Frankenberger story

Below is an accurate genealogic chart from Familypedia.com. The only addition that needs to be made is to link Maria Anna Schicklgruber and Johann Nepomuk Hüttler as having an extra-marital liason which resulted in the child Alois Schicklgruber in 1837 (see Werner Maser, below).

The "only" addition? That is the crux of the whole case... :facepalm:
But in all other aspects, it conforms to the research done and accepted by all historians and genealogists. There are no Jews or Jewish connections at all.

I have no doubt that historians have done their work. But as the grandfather of Adolf Hitler, the father of Alois, is unknown, this statement cannot be made.
Werner Maser concludes that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Johann Nepomuk Hüttler, a German farmer living in Spital, in the Waldviertel region in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

He "concludes":
4. Maria Anna, at the age of 26, inherited 74.25 gulden at the death of her mother in 1821. She kept this sum in the Orphans’ Fund until 1838, earning 5% interest. By then, it had increased to 165 gulden, over double the original amount. Her son was not born until June 1837 when she was 42 yrs. old.

That is extremely late, especially in those days. How do we know she really gave birth?
She gives every appearance of having been strong-minded, a trait that was passed down to her son Alois and her grandson, Adolf.

This glorifying narrative is either Yeagers or Masers, but is not the sign of a neutral POV investigation.
Alois, however, was born Schicklgruber because his mother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber was unmarried. [Not an unusual occurrence in Austrian villages at that time.]

Right. Getting pregnant at 42 is already "an unusual occurrence". Getting pregnant so extremely late AND being unmarried is a very unusual occurrence, especially in Catholic villages... :wissl:
5. She refused to reveal the name of her child’s father, even though the priest wanted her to do so. Thus, the child could only be given her name. This strong-willed woman did marry, in 1842—five years after the birth of her son—a man named Johann Georg Hiedler of the village of Spital. If he were the father of Alois, Maria Anna would certainly have named him such when they married and legitimized her son, but she did not. That entry was made in the baptismal register at Döllersheim where they married, but not until ten years after her death! The one responsible for it was Hiedler’s younger brother, Johann Nepomuk Hüttler, in whose household young Alois went to live at the age of 5 years, after his mother’s marriage to Hiedler.

Of course she "refused to reveal the name of her child's father", it is a very unusual occurrence, getting pregnant at 42, unmarried, in a Catholic (Hungaro-)Austrian village...

What Maser does, is "concluding" that:
- an unmarried woman got pregnant at age 42
- that woman marries the brother of the father of her son 5 YEARS later?
- Alois goes to live with his father, the "uncle"
- names change within families, but "Hiedler" and "Hüttler" are very different. While Maser -through the mouth of Yeager- tries to say otherwise, it is not close. Hiedler and Hitler is close. Hiedler and Hüttler is not close.
The one responsible for it

Responsible for what?
1 - the registration at the baptismal register?
2 - or the birth of Alois Schicklgruber?

That is not clear, but Maser -through the mouth of Yeager- "concludes" that Hüttler was the father of Alois. So 2 is the responsibility at least, but maybe 1 as well.

Now why would:
- Maria Anna NOT marry the father of Alois, yet marry his elder brother "who didn't want Alois around"? - it is said that Hüttler was married and Hiedler apparently not (while being older)
- Maria Anna be alone for 16 years (between 1821 and 1837)?
- Maria Anna be alone for 5 hard years, caring for her son and working (the heritage listed was not enough for her to live off)?
- Maria Anna put "money in an Orphan fund" at age 26, perfect to get children and apparently she was fertile (which I doubt), not knowing that 16 YEARS later she would "become pregnant" by someone??
- Hüttler, being the father, not register his son Alois under his name, yet choose a new name; Hitler?
conspiracy theorists who want to believe Hitler was a Rothschild or simply a part-Jew ignore it.

Ignoring something or not believing something are two different things.
6. So … we have Maria Anna Schicklgruber Heidler’s illegitimate son Alois going to live in the household of his new stepfather’s brother—his ‘uncle.’ Maser explains it this way: Hiedler, at this time 50 years old and never before married, may have resented and/or been irritated by the presence of a young child who was not his. But more likely, Johann Nepomuk, a much younger 35 years old, who was married at the time Alois was conceived, could now welcome his son, as ‘nephew,’ into his family without his wife becoming suspicious.

"More likely"?? It is not likely at all. Why would Johann Nepomuk adopt his "own" son?
Why would a 30 year old married man have sex with an unmarried woman 12 YEARS his senior? Doesn't make any sense.
7. All reports are, according to Maser, that Alois was happy in his ‘uncle’s’ home where he had ‘cousins’ and a more lively family life than he experienced living with his 47-year-old mother and her new husband.

It is confusing (and not by accident of course), but:

Johann Nepomuk Hüttler was allegedly 35 when Alois was 5.
Maria Anna Schicklgruber was 47 when Alois was 5.

So Maria Anna was 42 and Johann was 30 when Alois was born (so let's say 41 and 29 when he was conceived)!!???
8. Maria Anna Hiedler died in 1847 at the age of only 52. Alois did not, on his own initiative, seek legal legitimacy.

No, of course not, he was 10 years old... :facepalm:
His birth status did not hamper his career, in which he rose to what was considered the very respectable position of a Customs official; nor did it appear to trouble him personally. He was known as a tolerant, modern thinker, not particularly religious.

That can be read as "a crypto-Jew", just as well... :wissl:
His second wife Franziska Matzelsberger had a son born out of wedlock when he married her and he accepted this son in his household.

- His second wife? What happened to his first? And where are the children from that marriage?
- The son "born out of wedlock" (another case thus) was adopted in his household (which psychologically makes sense "knowing" his own childhood), but who is this son? This is not Adolf Hitler, because he was born much later...
It wasn’t until sometime between 1874 and 1876 that he changed his name to Hitler. Hitler is almost identical in sound to Hüttler.

The last point is a lie, but the first is more intriguing still. "Sometime between 1874 and 1876"?? A name change is registered and that means there should be an exact date for that. Especially if his son would get that name; then it's made official and as a "Customs official" himself, he should know that.
9. It was in 1876 that Franz Schicklgruber, administrator of his sister Maria Anna’s estate, made over to his nephew Alois 230 gulden. It was now that Alois signed his name “Hitler,” spelling it just slightly differently than Hüttler. Maser comments that the Schicklgruber family was no doubt proud of how well Alois had done for himself and saw to it that he got the bulk of the inheritance of his mother.

Again the lie of the "slight" spelling change, but first it was "between 1874 and 1876" that he changed his name, and now it is "1876" because of a signature. A signature is not an official name change record, needed to name your later son -Adolf- like that.

1876; Alois is 39 at that time, married to a woman, already his 2nd wife, who had a son out of wedlock before
20-04-1889; Adolf Hitler is born, then Alois was almost 52 (!) and how old was his wife Franziska then? She had a son who was at least 14 (we don't have a marriage date or age of Franziska, but before 1874) and "then came Adolf"?? Alois got married a 3rd time, see below...
10. Rothschild and Frankenberger Jew paternity is ruled out on the grounds of there being no evidence Maria Anna Schicklgruber ever worked for a Jewish family in Graz or Vienna.

"Ruled out" because "no evidence". Then you still cannot "rule that out". I am not married (hihi) to the Frank story, but that doesn't mean it makes sense here.
11. The Jew Frankenberger story: Hans Frank, who became Govenor General of Poland from 1939 to 1945, is responsible for the false story, with the help of an American army chaplain Sixtus O’Conner, written before Frank was put to death by the Nuremberg IMT [International Military Tribunal]. He concocted a story that Maria Anna Schicklgruber worked as a cook in the household of a Jewish family in Graz, Austria at the time she gave birth to her son. In his ‘report,’ this family had a 19 yr-old son. [Remember, MAS was 42 years old, a fact of which Hans Frank was probably ignorant.] Further, he said the family, named Frankenberger, paid a maintenance allowance to Maria Anna for 14 years [which makes Jews look responsible and honorable]. But the story is false from start to finish.

It can well be false, as a disinfo misdirection. But this story being false does not make the Maser story true.

Some of the main reasons are:
A) From the end of the 15th Century until a decade after Maria Anna died, no Jews lived in Graz.

A preposterous claim and impossible to make. It is impossible to say that "no X lived in Graz", less jews, who have hidden their true origins for centuries when they saw fit.

Also, why do we have a district of Styria, that is called "Judenburg" then??? Because NO JEWS were living there, for 350 years! :larf: :iitm:

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezirk_Judenburg , part of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Styria

The "official story" indeed says:
Nach mehreren Pogromen im 14 und 15. Jahrhundert[7] wurden 1496 alle steirischen Juden des Landes verwiesen.

1 - this is taking the pogroms as truth. Knowing what has been done with the Holocaust Story, knowing we are talking about jews and knowing we know little about what really happened in 14 fucking 96, this statement is very tricky to take as truth
2 - there is no reason to think that jews couldn't become cryptojews or simply stay in Steiermark/Styria. They may well have gone underground, especially the rich and "noble" ones

On wiki we also read:
The Protestant Reformation made its way into the country about 1530. Duke Karl (ruling 1564-90), whose wife was the Catholic Duchess Maria of Bavaria, introduced the Counter-Reformation into the country; in 1573 he invited the Jesuits into Styria and in 1586 he founded the Catholic University of Graz. In 1598 his son and successor Ferdinand suppressed all Protestant schools and expelled the teachers and preachers: Protestant doctrines were maintained only in a few isolated mountain valleys, as in the valley of the Inn and the valley of the Mur. On a narrow reading of the Peace of Augsburg, 1555, with its principle of cuius regio, eius religio, only the nobility were not forced to return to the Roman Church; each could have Protestant services privately in his own house.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Styria

So how difficult is it to imagine that not only "Protestant services were allowed in private", but also Jewish? The nobility -as always- did have different rules than the commoners, so apparently it is not at all certain that "NO jews were living in Graz/Steiermark"...
They had been expelled by Emperor Maximilian I in 1496 from the province of Styria, which included Graz. In 1781, under Joseph II, they were allowed to re-enter, but only for a few weeks at a time, during Lent and at the Feast of St. Giles to the annual Fairs, after paying a fixed sum. Two years later, these rights were again curtailed, and it remained enforced until 1860 that no Jews whatsoever could even enter the province.

:larf: :larf: :larf:

What did they have in the mountainous region of Styria, Wartturme and people with guns defending the "border"? For 364 years?? :facepalm:
B) No resident by the name of Frankenberger is listed as having lived in Graz at that time.

That is possible. The Frankenberger story may be untrue. That doesn't make Adolf Hitler anything less possible half-jewish...
C) Records from 1821 to 1838 pertaining to Maria Anna’s money in the Orphans’ Fund showed no change of address in 1836 or ’37. Moreover, as a subject of the “Lordship of Ottenstein” she could not have absented herself for any length of time without it being noted.

"She could not", a claim without any back-up. She apparently could get pregnant at 42, so there are lots of possibilities here. Even if that pregnancy was real (which I doubt), she and Rothschild could have met in the forest and have an occult sex night there... Or is that also "could not have happened"... :roll:
D) Frank wrote in his report that Adolf Hitler told him in a conversation that he knew there were no Jews in his family because he had talked with his father and grandmother about it. But Hitler could not have said that—his grandmother had been dead since before he was born! This shows that Hans Frank’s story is made up out of whole cloth—including the part about “investigating the matter for Hitler.”

Again, the genealogy of Hitler doesn't suddenly become true if a story is debunked. It is not either A or B, there are 6 million (hihi) other possibilities here...
12. The Rothschild in Vienna story: This is debunked for the same reasons. Maria Anna Schicklgruber did not visit or live in Vienna, and there is no record of who these Rothschilds were, their address or other necessary information.

:larf:

Man o man...

A - it is IMPOSSIBLE to claim that Maria Anna "did not visit" Vienna. We are talking mid 19th century, not the dreamt camera-controlled super police state of the Jew World Order... :facepalm:
B - "there is no record of who these Rothschilds were"? So that proves anything? If there's one family successful in hiding their wealth, locations and true motives it's the fucking Rothschilds.... :facepalm:
C - it is theorised that Alois's father was Anselm Salomon von Rothschild - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_Salomon_von_Rothschild

One of his -known, there may be many more with these dark bankers-, sons:
Nathaniel Meyer von Rothschild:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Meyer_von_Rothschild
In 1880, he purchased Enzesfeld Castle with its vast property from the Counts of Schönburg-Hartenstein. He also had Hinterleiten Palace in Reichenau an der Rax erected in a Louis XIII style from 1884. The picturesque Reichenau area had become easily accessible from Vienna by the opening of the Southern Railway line and evolved into a popular retreat of the Viennese society, among them Habsburg Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria who had Villa Wartholz built nearby. Nevertheless, Nathaniel Rothschild only spent two years at his palace before he placed it at the disposal of the Ministry of War to use it as a convalescent home for veterans.
On his father's death in 1874, Nathaniel and his brother Ferdinand (1839–1898), owner of Waddesdon Manor, inherited most of the family's real estate and art collection.

So this guy had several properties everywhere.

Father Anselm:
In 1820 Anselm Salomon's father Salomon Mayer had established a bank company at Vienna, financing the building of the Austrian Emperor Ferdinand Northern Railway in the 1830s. He had been a confident of Chancellor Prince Klemens von Metternich and also a discreet lender of the Bohemian and Hungarian nobility. Upon his death in 1855, his son and heir Anselm created the k.k. privilegierte Österreichische Credit-Anstalt für Handel und Gewerbe, which evolved to the largest bank of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy.

Anselms father was lending to the nobility of Vienna, which is of course COMPLETELY different from the nobility of Steiermark that we saw before. NO relation whatsoever. Not even by railway... well...
Board member of Austrian Southern Railway
In 1838 Baron Georg Simon von Sina established the Wien-Raaber-Eisenbahn-Gesellschaft stock company to build a railway connection from Vienna via Wiener Neustadt to Győr (Raab) in Hungary. Construction began in 1839 and a first section between Baden and Wiener Neustadt was opened on 16 May 1841.

First plans for a railway connection from the Austrian capital Vienna to the Austrian Littoral and the busy Adriatic Port of Trieste, then bypassing the Eastern Alps via Bruck an der Leitha and Szombathely in Hungary, in order to meet trade demands in the upcoming age of industrialization were already set up by Franz Xaver Riepl in 1829.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Southern_Railway

Maria Anna could NEVER have visited him or he could NEVER have visited Graz, in the year just before the plans were finalised, but years after they were set, and have a night of nasty dirty pr0n sex with this Anselm... NEVER. IMPOSSIBLE. :yerright:
13, Patrick Hitler: Another rumor of an alleged newspaper article in the Paris-Soir in which Hitler’s nephew [by his half-brother Alois, Jr.], Patrick, described his uncle Adolf as the grandson of a Graz Jew called Frankenreither. Maser dug up this issue of that defunct newspaper while on a trip to Paris and found it carried two pages and six illustrations of Patrick Hitler’s story, but no allusion whatsoever to any Jewish antecedents.

1 - so a rumour in an alleged newspaper article was found inconclusive, not: false...
2 - that says what? That newspapers produce garbage? That the Paris Soir tells lies? Really, never thought the MSM would lie to us... :hahano:
COMMENTS AND OTHER FINDINGS BY WERNER MASER

1. Maser feels that Johann Nepomuk Hüttler and Alois decided on the change of name in compliance with the wishes of Maria Anna. The inheritance was given in the same year that Alois wrote his name as Hitler. The baptismal record continues to name Johann Georg Hiedler as Alois’ father, but Alois chose to spell the name as Hitler.

So the record still bears the name of Maria Anna's husband (married FIVE years after the "birth" of Alois), but that doesn't mean anything. Skipped over. Customs officials are known to move outside of the law and do not care about records... :roll:
2. Klara Pölzl, Alois 3rd wife, mother of Adolf, was a granddaughter of Johann Nepomuk Hüttler and his wife Eva Maria [Decker], making her the niece of her husband Alois. She was considered his niece because Alois was a Schicklgruber and Klara was a Decker on the maternal side. Hüttler died in 1888, Adolf was born in 1889.

What the hell, it gets even more interesting... Alois's 3rd wife (so Franziska was not Adolfs mother) was a granddaughter of Hüttler and his wife Eva Maria Decker...?

Maria Anna Schickelgruber - born 1795, mother at 42 in 1837, marries only at 47, dies at 52 in 1847
Johann Hiedler - 50 when marrying Maria Anna at 47, so born in 1792
Johann Nepomuk Hüttler (allegedly his brother - 29 (!!) when having sex with Maria Anna (41), while he was married to Eva Maria Decker? Or is that also a second -or third- wife?

Alois Schicklgruber - born 1837, father of Adolf in 1889, at 52 (!) with his 3rd wife who is the granddaughter of his own father?? So indeed his niece...
3. Adolf Hitler’s maternal grandfather was Johann Baptist Põlzl,

So this was the father of Klara Pölz (also name change, but that isn't that far or strange with tongue breaker "Pölzl"...)
a farmer living in Spital. His paternal grandfather was Johann Nepomuk Hüttler, also a Spital farmer. Maser says that there is a distinct family resemblance between all the relations in Spital who are descended from Hüttler, and some of them bear a strong resemblance to Adolf Hitler. Hitler visited Spital in 1905, 1906 and 1908, and several times when on leave during the First World War. He knew his relatives and a great deal about his family history.

Yes, and he also visited London where he was trained by the Intelligence services at Tavistock... :yerright:
Endnotes
2. This is the first mention of “Jewish godparents.” They appear out of the blue as a “guess” by Langer. The intention is clearly to show Jews as good, compassionate and upstanding people who “saw through” the good-for-nothing Hitler—placing Jews in the superior position morally, financially and educationally.

Oh, was that "clearly" the "intention", Ms. antisemite? :yerright: Just like Maria Anna visiting Vienna or Grumpy Rothschild visiting Graz was IMPOSSIBLE? :ponda:

And is it a surprise that many jews were in superior financial and educational positions? WTF??

Again, a false story by "Langer" doesn't make the story by Maser any more true...
3. One of Langer’s “informants” who was employed by Hitler in Vienna as an agent for selling his paintings. Their business relationship lasted for 8 months. At that time, Hitler took Hanisch to court for not turning over the money he owed Hitler. Hanisch was found guilty and spent a very short time in jail.

"A very short time in jail"? That stinks. If people are guilty they spend a considerable amount of time in jail, not "very short".
5. In his book on the Nuremberg Tribunals, Trial of a Nation, Maser alleged that Hitler’s architect, Albert Speer, who was given only a prison sentence by the tribunal, made a secret deal with the chief American prosecutor Robert H. Jackson.

No doubt. All jewish Nazis made deals. That whole Nuremberg "Trial" is a farce and so are the "hangings".
6. The father of Johann Georg Hiedler, born 1792 and Johann Nepomuk Hüttler, born 1807 was Martin Hiedler, born 1762. Johann Nepomuk chose to spell the name Hüttler, or perhaps it was an error by a priest or cleric.

Oh "perhaps". So there is no record. Otherwise there wouldn't be any insecurity about how Johann Nepomuk and Johann Georg had different names. He "just chose to spell his name like that" means there is no birth or baptism record. Convenient...

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All this, of course, proves nothing. Well it proves that there are modern Nazis out there who are fans of Hitler and want to whitewash his genealogy. And it "proves" it is possible to disprove stories from newspapers and by others (Frank). Is that a surprise? No.

The whole genealogy is a mess and very suspicious with interbreeding, second and third wives, multiple adoptions, an extremely late "pregnancy" and more strange stories. Having looked at my own genealogy in great detail with also mostly farmer families, this is strange.

The interbreeding of Alois with his niece also stinks and reminds us of...
According to the testament left by progenitor Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the children of the Rothschild family were obliged to enter into matrimony with their first and second cousins. Anselm Salomon did so in 1826 by marrying Charlotte Nathan Rothschild (1807–1859), daughter of his uncle Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777–1836) from the London branch of the family

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_Salomon_von_Rothschild

What I suspect is that both Alois and Adolf were planted sons, born from parents that were not the ones we are told. In the case of Adolf that story is theorised, in the case of Alois it's not, but his history is even stranger with 42 year old mommy and then marrying at 47... Of course.

Planted children who "rise to" power are not uncommon at all.

In the 20th century two famous examples of that: the Kennedys and William "Clinton" Rockefeller... :wissl:
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 17:26 #46

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- I posted Hitlers family tree and supporting evidence here. Yet, you just go on Hitler was a Rothschild after all. Why are you doing this? If you listen to the debate between Jim Condit and Carolyn Yaeger, you will find out Jim admits there is no proof for Hiter being jewish at all. Here at 01:19:45
Your own source even admits there is no proof... so why do you continue with your claims that he was a Rothschild after all?

- In that same debate Carolyn also takes down the idea that Hitler's men were jewish, so better have a listen to it. And no, there were no 150.000 jews in the regime, but in the army. Why are you twisting the facts there?

- The Germans didn't want war; read about all the peace offers between 1933 - 1939 here.

- It doesn't make sense that Hitler and his men were 'secretly' jews. Wishful thinking perhaps, but it doesn't make it true. Germany was on the brink of going communism, the Soviet Union was already established and the rest of the Western world (including the British en French worldwide empires) were already under Masonic control. So why start another World War, if they had Germany under control and could have gone full-communism and reached their targets much sooner in stead? Like I said, that just doesn't make sense.
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- I posted Hitlers family tree and supporting evidence here.

Yes, I've taken that apart bit by bit. It's no proof of anything.
Yet, you just go on Hitler was a Rothschild after all. Why are you doing this? If you listen to the debate between Jim Condit and Carolyn Yaeger, you will find out Jim admits there is no proof for Hiter being jewish at all. Here at 01:19:45
Your own source even admits there is no proof... so why do you continue with you claims that he was a Rothschild after all?

No proof he is jewish, no proof of the opposite (not jewish) either. Of course there is no proof, because the family history is not clear. See my long truth seeking post on Maser.
- In that same debate Carolyn also takes down the idea that Hitler's men were jewish, so better have a listen to it.

I bet she does. But seeing the flimsy propaganda piece you linked with Maser I don't have high hopes she suddenly puts some strong arguments on the table now.
And no, there were no 150.000 jews in the regime, but in the army. Why are you twisting the facts there?

The army is part of the regime, smart-ass. And the militaristic regime is heavily intertwined with the army. I am not twisting any facts, that is the propagandists like you, you should take your criticism.
- The Germans didn't want war; read about all the peace offers between 1933 - 1939 here.

Oh, I don't doubt that that is the whitewashed propaganda Hitler Hero version. What I am judging people about is their actions, not their words. Words mean nothing. It's vibrating air. The "peace offers" between a NaZionist and a Zionist are like Donny Trump and Hilly Clinton tickling each other. It's for the sheeple masses, not to be taken seriously.

The "invasion" (those countries were evenly Zionist-controlled and needed the Marshall plan implemented later and they didn't show any resistance of any serious kind, so there was no "invasion") of 10+ countries, the enormous military, the camps, the expedition towards the USSR, everything was made for war and based on war. The whole economy was driving on war.
- It doesn't make sense that Hitler and his men were 'secretly' jews.

It does, but then you have to let go of your sheeple propaganda version of things in thinking that Adolph Rothschild was a true fighter of the jews, especially the powerful ones. He was a fighter of the jews, but only the commoners, like my family. All the big shots were left in peace, as those were the ones funding Hitler and his Mason buddies.
Wishful thinking perhaps, but it doesn't make it true.

:larf:
Next time you get outside, buy a mirror.
Germany was on the brink of going communism,

Sheeple propaganda.
the Soviet Union was already established and the rest of the Western world (including the British en French worldwide empires) were already under Masonic control.

And so was NaZionist Germany.
So why start another World War,

Because those bankers are psychopaths. More motives for the war I have given in the post you largely ignored.
if they had Germany under control and could have gone full-communism and reached their targets much sooner in stead? Like I said, that just doesn't make sense.

There was no reason to go "full communism" with Germany. It was enough to do that "only" to the East, while the West was occupied by the USAmericans.

The motives are outlined.

Of course it doesn't make any sense to you, as you are in the sheeple bubble of Nazis-are-the-good-guys propaganda. They were just as controlled as the Soviets. Without forgetting they have their own interests, just like "Russia" has. Or Holland, or France. Or Japan.
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 18:16 #48

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Why is another Hitler thread required?

This one already has close to 3,000 posts and covers this information given it was set up by hasbara trolls in the first place

truth-zone.net/forum/history/65789-adolf-hitler.html


Strangely enough I changed my mind, or rather my mind changed my view about this.

I think it's a good idea to let someone, who is clearly so much caught up in wishful thinking
backed by unproven/unprovable, typical for we-all-know-who-invented-them propaganda lies,
have their say in a special thread like this, for otherwise these boring old fantasy stories would
be all over the forum, where there is already enough of this kind of disinfo.

And as I perceive the "waking up" process in general and with so-called "truthers" in particular,
nothing can hide the truth any longer. Videos and articles, books and even hours-long very
professional documentaries are mushrooming up and spreading like a healing wildfire, a defensive
fire, a firewall for the mind among those who still are able to think on their own.

So those who, for certain reasons, ignorance included, are still desperately trying to change the
course by raking up old, long disproved horror and fiction stories are standing quite alone and
fighting their - or un/knowingly rather someone elses - last stand.

Jmho.

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I think it's a good idea to let someone, who is clearly so much caught up in wishful thinking
backed by unproven/unprovable, typical for we-all-know-who-invented-them propaganda lies,
have their say in a special thread like this, for otherwise these boring old fantasy stories would
be all over the forum, where there is already enough of this kind of disinfo.

Very true. The disinfo of the Hitler Hero Story is very thick here on TZ and shady websites as the Daily Stormer et al.

It is indeed my motivation to cut through those lies and propaganda, set up by the jews themselves, not in the least Joseph Goebels.
And as I perceive the "waking up" process in general and with so-called "truthers" in particular,
nothing can hide the truth any longer. Videos and articles, books and even hours-long very
professional documentaries are mushrooming up and spreading like a healing wildfire, a defensive
fire, a firewall for the mind among those who still are able to think on their own.

Also true. The slick "documentary" TGSNT is a major player in this disinfo war of the Hitler Worshipers. It is cleverly mixing Hollywood propaganda with NaZionist propaganda, showing the true colours of the producer, Dennis "Wise".
So those who, for certain reasons, ignorance included, are still desperately trying to change the
course by raking up old, long disproved horror and fiction stories are standing quite alone and
fighting their - or un/knowingly rather someone elses - last stand.

Jmho.

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Also true. The Hitler Hero Story was already abundant in the 1930s, when people didn't have internet and couldn't know who was behind the mass rape of Germany. Now, 80+ years later, we can be wiser and see through the propaganda and lies, the disinfo strategies and the bullshit.
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 19:27 #50

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Very true. The disinfo of the Hitler Hero Story is very thick here on TZ and shady websites as the Daily Stormer et al.
It is indeed my motivation to cut through those lies and propaganda, set up by the jews themselves, not in the least Joseph Goebels.

What exactly are you talking about? Which "Hitler Hero Story"? I guess you are speaking about the truth exposed.
What you are doing is far from cutting through lies and propaganda, in fact your are trying in vain to do the opposite.
I don't think that Prof. Dr. Joseph Goebbels was Jewish, I did not see any hard proof from authentic free sources yet.


en.metapedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels as usual the anglo-american version has to be taken with a pinch of salt
de.metapedia.org/wiki/Goebbels,_Joseph


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Also true. The slick "documentary" TGSNT is a major player in this disinfo war of the Hitler Worshipers. It is cleverly mixing Hollywood propaganda with NaZionist propaganda, showing the true colours of the producer, Dennis "Wise".

What exactly is "slick" about TGSNT? Telling the truth in a professional, appealing way is just the long overdue counter reaction to
we-all-know-who-owns-it Hollywood propaganda which has been hammered into the brains of the unsuspecting ignorant masses worldwide
since the first day Tinseltown, this mother of all modern day anti-German-lies machinery was established. It's a good, a healing thing
that the truth is finally out.


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Also true. The Hitler Hero Story was already abundant in the 1930s, when people didn't have internet and couldn't know who was behind the mass rape of Germany.

If you choose to call the truth a "Hero Story", so be it, because that's what it is after all.


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Now, 80+ years later, we can be wiser and see through the propaganda and lies, the disinfo strategies and the bullshit.

I totally agree.


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Goebbels wasn't a jew:


Did Joseph Goebbels have Jewish Ancestry?




Joseph Goebbels; the Minister for Propaganda and Enlightenment of the Third Reich, needs little introduction, but it isn't so well-known that since the days of his success as the legendary and ruthless Gauleiter of Berlin. There have been various claims that he was of jewish ancestry swirling around him.

The most prominent these accusations came from Otto Strasser who authored an article weirdly arguing that signs of physical disability were the result of race-mixing (the unstated sub-text being: 'with jews') which had the implication that someone who had such a disability (like Goebbels' club foot) could not be truly German. (1)

This is obviously a ludicrous claim to make as physical disability can occur from accidents, illness (polio for example) and genetic conditions but not; as far as we know, from miscegenation. That said these claims of Goebbels' supposed jewish ancestry have continued to swirl around the more credulous corners of the internet.

Before we deal with the accusations made there lets recap on what we know of Goebbels' familial origins:

His German father; Friedrich ('Fritz') Goebbels, was the son of a textile salesman named Conrad Goebbels and a farmer's daughter named Gertrud. (2) There is no suggestion any where in the records that either Conrad or Gertrud were anything other than ordinary working class Germans scratching what living they could in a world in economic flux. (3) Indeed their son Fritz's extreme devotion to; and constancy in his support for, Catholicism (4) suggests that is indeed the faith that he was brought up in.

His Dutch mother; Katherina Maria Odenhausen,was the daughter of Johann Michael Odenhausen; a blacksmith, and Johanna Maria Coervers. (5) Katherina was by all accounts an uncomplicated woman born of simple parents (6) who lived primarily for her husband, her children and her Catholic faith. (7)

The surnames that we know; Goebbels, Odenhausen and Coervers, have no known jewish connections and do not appear in the standard dictionaries listing common jewish surnames. I also cannot find (via searching on Google) any jews extant with any of these surnames.

Thus we can see that there is no genealogical basis for the claim of Goebbels' jewishness according to the biographical literature up to the present time. On this basis then we have to conclude that Goebbels had no jewish ancestry whatsoever.

However lets take a peek at the case presented by those individuals who believe Goebbels did have jewish ancestry.

We read that:

'Reportedly, Joseph Goebbels had Jewish origins and was gay.' (8)

Notice the 'reportedly' since the author of this claim doesn't actually have a source for Goebbels' supposed jewish ancestry: he says that 'reportedly' this was so as if his opinion was itself hard evidence!

Another individual claims that:

'Reportedly, Joseph Goebbels had Jewish origins and was gay. Joseph Goebbels' first girlfriend was Jewish. Goebbels' family came from Holland; he was nicknamed "rabbi" in school.' (9)

The first sentence is obviously a repeat of the previous claimant (who this individual cites): the second is simply wrong. Goebbels first girlfriend was Lene Krage: who he was infatuated with for three years. (10) The individual concerned here is thinking of several girlfriends later; Else Janke, who was half-jewish. (11) The third sentence is partly true as Goebbels' maternal family was; as we have seen, Dutch, but how this makes them jewish is anyone's guess unless one wishes to argue that all Dutch people are partly or wholly jewish. The fourth; that he was nicknamed 'rabbi' in school, is simply made-up as there is no record in the biographical literature of this and the individual claiming this (predictably) doesn't give us an originating source.

Another piece of 'evidence' is found in Goebbels having a celebratory coin minted in 1935 to honour co-operation between jewish Zionists and the Third Reich in expediting their resettlement outside of Germany. (12) Bring up this sort of nonsensical claim (in relation to the argument made) is a typical tactic of those without evidence to suggest something that isn't there by seeking to engage the emotions of the reader to believe first and ask awkward questions much later.

The point is simply this: how does Goebbels having a coin minted (and remember the only source I can find on this so far is an internet claim but it does make some sense) in honour of Zionist and National Socialist co-operation to peacefully solve the jewish question (when remember that it is universally accept that it was Third Reich policy to use emigration at this point regardless of what side of the 'holocaust' debate you are on) in any way, shape or form suggest; or provide evidence for the contention, that Goebbels had some jewish ancestry?

Simply put: it doesn't.

Scratch two attempts to demonstrate that Goebbels was of jewish ancestry.

The third attempt to claim this asserts:

'Joseph Goebbels, whose first girlfriend was Jewish and who only appreciated Jewish professors (Grigori Klimov, "The Protocols of the Soviet Elders", Krasnodar, 1995, pp. 328-329). Goebbels' Jewish ancestry has also been demonstrated by the historian David Irving. His family came from Holland; he was nicknamed "rabbi" in school.' (13)

Once against we see the first charge is a repeat of the 'first girlfriend was jewish' myth; which I have incidentally commented on in detail elsewhere, (14) while we see repeats of the nonsensical idea that because his maternal family came from Holland they just have to be jewish and the myth that he was called 'rabbi' while he was at school.

Unlike the other two attempts to claim this: we actually have a source for this claim in Grigori Klimov's 'The Protocols of the Soviet Elders', which unfortunately I have not read nor have access to a copy of. That said Klimov is not an expert or a biographer of Goebbels as far as I know and if he claims the view that Goebbels' first girlfriend was jewish then he probably hasn't read a biography of Goebbels in his life (as I have discussed above).

His assertion that Goebbels only 'appreciated jewish professors' is also problematic, because Goebbels took numerous classes at university: most of which were not given by jews. What Klimov is likely thinking of; however incorrectly, is Goebbels' choice of doctoral supervisor which was initially Friedrich Gundolf (nee Gundolfinger) of the university of Heidelberg who was indeed jewish. (15) Goebbels' choice of Gundolf had nothing to do with his jewishness or non-jewishness however: he hoped to study for his doctorate under him purely because of Gundolf eminence as a teacher having published was considered the definitive biography of Goethe at the time. (16)

However since Gundolf had just been done the honour of freeing him for the obligation to teach classes and mentor doctoral students by the university of Heidelberg (as a reward for turning down a chair at the university of Berlin): (17) he referred Goebbels to fellow jew Max von Waldberg who then supervised Goebbels' doctoral dissertation. (18) It should also be noted that Goebbels resented Waldberg and referred to him negatively in his letters and diary. (19)

From this we can see how Klimov has gotten to the idea that Goebbels only 'appreciated jewish professors', because he chose a jewish academic to supervise his doctoral dissertation and was then referred to another who subsequently supervised Goebbels successful thesis (i.e. he chose a jew to supervise his doctoral thesis therefore he must have esteemed jews more than gentiles, but what this leaves out is that; as I have pointed out, Goebbels had other less sensational and more academic reasons for wanting Gundolf to supervise his thesis).

Klimov is simply not correct since; as we has been shown above, Goebbels had different motives other than jewishness and non-jewishness in seeking Gudolf out as his doctoral supervisor.

We should also remark once again that whether Goebbels preferred; or didn't prefer, jewish professors is immaterial to whether he was jewish or not. The claimant in this case is once again throwing irrelevant claims into the mix in an attempt to buttress their case given that they cannot tell us who in Goebbels' family; or even on what side of the family, was of jewish ancestry. Some evidence to support their claims would also be nice as well.

The last of these claims is that David Irving; the (unjustly) controversial British historian, has 'demonstrated' that Goebbels had jewish ancestry. No link or citation to Irving's work is given and his 1996 biography of Goebbels includes no such passage. The claimant might be thinking of a 2001 Reuters news article reproduced by Irving on this website that discusses the fact that Goebbels sent his wife Madga's jewish step-father (not her father as is sometimes claimed); Richard Friedlander, to a concentration camp where he died. (20)

Irving does not however support the idea that Goebbels had any jewish ancestry in his commentary on said article or in his biography of Goebbels: thus we can see that this yet another false statement made in a pitiful attempt to gather up some claimed evidence for the ludicrous charge that Goebbels had jewish ancestry.



References

(1) David Irving, 1996, 'Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich', 1st Edition, Focal Point Publications: London, p. 57
(2) Ibid, p. xvii
(3) On this please see Peter Pulzer, 1988, 'The Rise of Political Anti-Semitism in Germany & Austria', 2nd Edition, Peter Halban: London, pp. 42-45
(4) Roger Manvell, Heinrich Fraenkel, 2006, [1960], 'Doctor Goebbels: His Life & Death', 1st Edition, Greenhill: London, p. 2
(5) Ralf Georg Reuth, 1993, 'Goebbels: The Life of Joseph Goebbels', 1st Edition, Constable: London, p. 6
(6) Toby Thacker, 2009, 'Joseph Goebbels: Life and Death', 1st Edition, Palgrave MacMillan: Basingstoke, p. 10
(7) Manvell, Fraenkel, Op. Cit., p. 2
(8) aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/01/goebbels-family-rich-and-jewish.html
(9) www.whale.to/b/goebbels_h.html
(10) Irving, Op. Cit., pp. 4-5
(11) Ibid, p. 38
(12) www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-IntimateRelationToNazis/ThePactBetweenHitler&TheZionists.htm
(13) just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/2004/03/adolph-hitler-jew.html
(14) semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/09/joseph-goebbels-else-janke-and-jews.html
(15) Reuth, Op. Cit., p. 37
(16) Irving, Op. Cit., p. 15
(17) Reuth, Op. Cit., p. 37
(18) Ibid.; Irving, Op. Cit., p. 15
(19) Thacker, Op. Cit., p. 18
(20 )www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/JG/Friedlaender/Fate.html
Posted 30th June 2014 by Karl Radl

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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 21:11 #52

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Here's some more about Hitler not being jewish:


Was Adolf Hitler of Jewish or Rothschild Origin?

By Karl Radl with Hans Blackthorne

I have long encountered claims made by a wide variety of individuals that Adolf Hitler; the leader of the Third Reich from 1933 to 1945, was of jewish; and more specifically of Rothschild, origin. These claims; usually to do with Hitler's life before he joined the DAP, are almost entirely based on hearsay and gossip combined with the need to invent reasons why Hitler was so good an orator (he 'must' have been a black magician: hence the 'Occult Reich' literature), why Hitler was keen to clamp down on some sexual and reproductive activity (he 'must' have been a homosexual or sexually aroused by scat: hence the psychoanalytic interpretations of Hitler), why Hitler invaded Poland (he 'must' have been bent on world conquest: hence the 'Hitler as a warmonger' literature) and why Hitler hated the jews and supposedly killed six million of them in the 'holocaust' (he 'must' have been of jewish origin: hence the 'Hitler as a jew' literature).

All of the above claims are quite false, but yet people often believe at least one of them; if not several at once, in part because they feel the intellectual need to 'explain' Hitler as some sort of deviant who they couldn't possibly be like, because they are 'normal' and he wasn't. The sensible position that Hitler was a normal human being; although in fairness that is underselling Hitler quite substantially given that he was obviously rather intelligent, a gifted artist and one of the best orators the world has ever known, is in sense revolutionary because it asks the question of many people; in terms of their own perceptions, as to whether they could commit acts regarded by current social norms as the very summit of evil.

This is much the same reason that other highly-talented National Socialists; like Goebbels, have been frequently been subject to the same process: although in Goebbels' case it is alleged that he was a cynic, didn't believe in a word he said, a closet communist, an accomplished liar and generally manipulated all and sundry persons to his advantage. To believe that Hitler and Goebbels were normal people; like you or I, is heresy in a very real sense for a lot of people in much the same way that communists were not often viewed as people; during the 'Red Scare' epochs of the 1920s and 1950s, but rather as a subversive 'other'.

Let us move beyond the claims of those who wish to simply vilify Hitler or proclaim that he was an agent of the Rothschilds in a gigantic Zionist conspiracy to look at whether this thesis is in any way justifiable.

There are two elements to the claim that Hitler was of jewish or Rothschild origin.

The first is the historic claim that his paternal grandmother (Maria Anne Schicklgruber) was actually impregnated while in service (i.e. employed as a live-in maid) to a jewish man of Rothschild descent surnamed Frankenberger in Graz. There are non-specific claims in relation to Hitler having a jewish father that were made during and after Hitler's ascent to power in 1933: however as these have no names or detail behind them we can safely dismiss them as being smears by opponents. (1)

The second is of far more recent vintage and originates from a Belgian journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and a customs official Marc Vermeeren (2) (the latter has incorrectly been labelled a 'historian' by a later article in an apparent attempt to give him some semblance of authority) (3) claim to have 'genetic proof' that Hitler was of partial jewish/North African origin.

The first of these positions that Hitler's father; Alois Schicklgruber, (4) was the product of a sexual indiscretion between a maid and her jewish master; Frankenberger, while the former was in his employ in Graz, derives almost singly from the memoirs of Hans Frank. (5)

In his memoirs Frank firstly claims that Hitler had no jewish ancestors, (6) but then changes his mind later reciting the Frankenberger story. (7) Further Frank claims; and we are not usually told this by proponents of the Frankenberger hypothesis, that Hitler told him that he knew about this story and that his grandfather and grandmother were actually conning the jew involved out of money. (8) Frank however; as Kershaw informs us, was in a psychologically troubled state when he wrote these lines (as he was facing execution) and his memoirs are filled with made-up information and inaccuracies. (9)

That Frank was simply inventing the Frankenberger claim can be shown easily enough by pointing out there is no confirmatory evidence for it and some significant problems with it.

In the first instance of course there is the fact that Frank contradicts himself on the subject of Hitler's alleged jewish ancestry, in the second because Patrick Hitler in his 1938-1939 'revelations' about alleged jewish ancestry did not locate that ancestry in Graz let alone the supposed fact that the ancestry was specifically of Rothschild origin, (10) in the third there is no evidence that Maria ever went to Graz, (11) and fourthly there is no record in the Graz archives of any family named Frankenberger being resident there in the 1830s when Alois was born. (12)

The possibility of it being a mistaken spelling has also been investigated; as Kershaw relates, there is only one family (the Frankreiters) and one individual (Leopold Frankreiter) in that family that Maria could have had a relationship with. However there are two qualifiers on that Leopold Frankreiter was an ordinary butcher (as opposed to the wealthy jewish financier depicted by the Frankenberger legend), employed no maid we know of and the Frankreiter family wasn't of jewish origin. (13)

The coup de grace to the whole charade of the 'jewish Hitler' claims is delivered when we understand the Gestapo themselves undertook a series of different secret investigations into Hitler's ancestry and found nothing to contradict the official NSDAP position (that Hitler's paternal grandfather was Johann Georg Hiedler) on the matter. (14)

Clearly Frank isn't the best source of information in relation to Hitler's origins then is he?

The reason the story has gained so much currency is in part that one of the major sources for biographical information about Hitler; a jewish anti-Nazi journalist named Konrad Heiden, mentioned the claims in his 1944 biography of Hitler 'Der Fuehrer', but didn't supply any actual information to back them up. (15)

We need to remember that one of the major angles for propagandistic attack on the racial doctrines of National Socialism was accusing National Socialist race theory of being the product of intellectual cranks and that Nationalist Socialist leaders weren't themselves of pure Aryan ancestry even under their own standards.

Good examples of just this kind of vicious attack can be found in wartime propaganda works such as the wartime best-seller; 'People under Hitler', where it is claimed that Japanese and Sioux Indians were officially proclaimed to be members of the Aryan race (16).

If we understand that the 'jewish Hitler' claim is born from anti-Nazi gossip in the 1920s (the reader should ask themselves which of the major leaders of the NSDAP wasn't called a jew in an attempt to discredit them) (17) and then picked up to be used as wartime 'black propaganda' by the Allies and Soviets (then being carried over into the peacetime conceptions of the subject); much as the rumours about Franklin Delano Roosevelt's alleged jewish origins were picked by Goebbels and his propagandists (most notably Johann von Leers), then it is not hard to see that the 'jewish Hitler' claims are an unfortunate historical by-product of political invective which have been picked up by pro-jewish authors in an attempt both to discredit Hitler on the far right and also provide a Freudian type explanation of his dislike of jews (i.e. it wasn't due to jewish behaviour but was ipso facto irrational).

The second argument; as advanced by Mulders and Vermeeren, is also dubious in the extreme. Our intrepid duo; who remind me more of Thompson and Thompson than Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson, claim that they tracked down 39 of Hitler's living relatives using genetics. (18) The only actual relative they actually name is Alexander Stuart-Houston; Hitler's grand-nephew, who they admit to having taken DNA from for testing without knowledge or consent. (19) That we don't know who the rest of the 'Hitler relatives'; they have allegedly taken genetic material from, are throws a problematic light on their conclusions such as they are.

We simply don't have any idea who these people are or what; or even if, they have any indirect familial relationship to Hitler. Ironically we also only have Mulders' word for it is Stuart-Houston's DNA that he took from a discarded serviette. After all one wonders how Mulders specifically acquired said serviette and how on earth we can be sure that the genetic material is actually Stuart-Houston's? Since we don't know who the other donors are either it makes the whole 'study' a somewhat hilarious farce from the get-go because the genetic material has not been kept free of potential; and even probable, contamination (thus is completely inadmissible). (20)

This is in spite of all the usual weasel words from our two budding forensics boffins that they had 'taken all possible care' to keep the samples 'free of contamination'. This is; of course, clearly nonsense given what we are told about the only identified contributor (and an unknowing one at that) of genetic material to their 'study'.

What does this mean?

In effect the likely contamination of the sample means that anything Mulders and Vermeeren claim is de facto unreliable because they have no actual proof (i.e. anything linking it to Stuart-Houston) of who the genetic material comes from.

This is before we even note that their methodology is clearly faulty given that they could and should; had been they been reputable historians as opposed to a publicity-seeking hack and a customs official, have requested genetic material be extracted from one of Hitler's teeth that are still in his skull (which has been identified primarily through its fairly unique dentistry) as opposed to trying to claim an ancestor's genetic origins based on the genetics of his descendants.

You might ask why this is such a stupid thing to do and this is really because in order to establish Hitler's genetic make-up we need his own genetic material if it is available (which it is) and if not then we would need reliable genetic material from all of Hitler's direct descendants and relatives up to him. The reason we would need this is really very simple: we simply do not know if the claimed father of a person is actually the father historically speaking.

Hitler himself is a good case in point in that the two most probable candidates for being his biological grandfather are either his official grandfather (Johann Georg Hiedler) or his grandfather's brother (Johann von Nepomuk Huetler). There is simply no other serious candidate in the field and of the two Nepomuk seems the most likely given Hiedler's general rejection of Alois and Nepomuk's general acceptance of him. (21)

We cannot absolutely prove this either way of course, but we can narrow the field by using the historical documentation and thought experiment to eliminate all the other candidates.

Simply put: you cannot claim that an ancestor is proven to be something because their descendants are something because you do not know what has happened; in terms of sexual activity, in-between unless you can establish the genetic line up to the individual concerned (i.e. you need direct not indirect descent), which Mulders and Vermeeren cannot do without Hitler's actual genetic material because Hitler fathered no children.

This means in effect that Mulders and Vermeeren have no genetic case whatsoever to make the claims they do about Hitler's genetic origins: although they don't let genetics stand in the way of their broad claims.

Thus having rendered both the historical and the genetic argument invalid we can categorically state that there is no actual evidence that Hitler was jewish or Rothschild origin: indeed everything points to him being of Austrian peasant stock much as he himself asserted.


References

(1) Cf. Ron Rosenbaum, 1998, 'Explaining Hitler: A Search for the Origins of His Evil', 1st Edition, Random House: New York, pp. 167-178
(2) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213589/Hitlers-secret-family-How-researchers-tracked-39-living-descendants-dictator.html
(3) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html
(4) For a particularly useful genealogical chart of Hitler's ancestors see Alan Bullock, 1954, 'Hitler: A Study in Tyranny', 1st Edition, Companion Book Club: London, pp. 22-23
(5) Ian Kershaw, 1998, 'Hitler', Vol. 1, 1st Edition, Penguin: New York, p. 9; Rosenbaum, Op. Cit., pp. 27; 31
(6) Kershaw, Op. Cit, p. 8
(7) Rosenbaum, Op. Cit., pp. 11-15
(8) Kershaw, Op. Cit., p. 8
(9) Ibid, p. 9
(10) Ibid, pp. 8-9
(11) Ibid, p. 8
(12) Ibid.
(13) Ibid, pp. 8-9
(14) Ibid, p. 9
(15) Rosenbaum, Op. Cit., pp. 130-134
(16) Wallace Deuel, 1942, 'People under Hitler', 1st Edition, Lindsay Drummond: London, pp. 129-130
(17) The most notable examples aside from Hitler were Joseph Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg and Reinhard Heydrich. All of which; I might add, have been categorically declared false by modern historians.
(18) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html
(19) Ibid.
(20) Reading between the lines of the article (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213589/Hitlers-secret-family-How-researchers-tracked-39-living-descendants-dictator.html ) we should not that Stuart-Houston 'disposed' of the napkin in a bin and we haven't even got a clue as to whether it was his or not let alone what other genetic material would have been added to the mix in said bin.
(21) Kershaw, Op. Cit., pp. 6-7; also Charles Bracelen Flood, 1989, 'Hitler: The Path to Power', 1st Edition, Houghton Mifflin: Boston, p. 6
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists - NaZionism 19 Jul 2016 21:23 #53

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27 - BOOK 'BEFORE HITLER CAME' - BY DIETRICH BONDER

Titolo: " Bevor Hitler kam"

For english-only speaking:
This book is in german language. English title would be: Before Hitler came - A historical study (1975). Dietrich Bronder's monumental book exposes the occult roots and shadowy organizations behind the rise of Adolf Hitler. From
philosophers that helped to shape the political doctrine of national socialism
to secret societies (such as Thule) that later implemented it as the 3rd Reich
slowly gained its final form as envisioned by the secret founders. But all this
was not the real reason why the book was (and still is) banned from print. It is truly an irony that Bronder, a Jewish professor of history, would discover the forbidden history of dominant Jewish involvement in building the 3rd Reich. He shows in incredible detail which Jews financed Adolf Hitler and thus helped him to power. As it later turned out many high-level Nazi dignitaries had Jewish ancestry and were actively working to terrorize the European Jews to get them into Palestine. Later the Zionists have done everything in their power to suppress information of their co-operation with the Nazis in the years before the Second World War. It turned out that it was the Jewish masonic lodge B'nai B'rith, in co-operation with the Zionist organization, LICA (Ligue International contre l'Antisemitisme) in Paris that was behind the so called Kristallnacht on 9 November 1938. The aim of the LICA provocation was to encourage the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. B'nai B'rith had previously infiltrated the Nazi movement's vital parts: the SS, the SA and the party. The Nazi leadership took no legal action against B'nai B'rith, which was allowed to continue its subversive activities. It had 12 000 members in 80 lodges in Germany, three of them in Berlin. B'nai B'rith was the only Jewish organization allowed by Hitler to remain active and open during the Nazi regime after 1933. The Zionist collaboration with Hitler went so far that some of them were declared Aryans, among them the banker Oppenheimer and the aircraft manufacturer Ernst Heinrich Heinckel. This explains why a large number of Jews were given Aryan documents.

Thus the Nazi leadership also included Jews with "the right documents", among them the head of the SS Heinrich Himmler, Wilhelm Canaris, Alfred Rosenberg and Joseph Goebbels. The deputy Chancellor of the Reich, Rudolf Hess, was born in Egypt by a Jewish mother. Thousands of men of Jewish descent, and hundreds of those designated as Jews by the Nazis, served in the military with Hitler's knowledge. In some twenty cases, soldiers of Jewish descent were decorated with the Ritterkreuz, one of the highest awards of merit in the German army. But it seems the "other" side was also full of them as 430 000 Soviet Jews fought German Jews in the Second World War. The Red Army high command also included many Jews, among them the generals Solomon Raikin, Isaak Revzis, Simon Reizin, Josef Rubin, Mikhail Belkin, Zelik Yoffe, and Grigori Preizman. Fully documented, Before Hitler came lays bare the biggest secret behind antisemitic movements, namely that it was started by Jews themselves. As Austrian writer Rudolf Kommoss warned the world: "Should there arise a party led by anti-Semite Jews or half-Jews, we will have to watch out!" 450 pages.
Der führende Zionist, der mit Herzl die Idee des
politischen Zionismus vertrat, schrieb 1893 ein zweibändiges Werk mit
dem Titel „Entartung"
— das mit einer Widmung an den berühmten
Autor des Buches „Genie und Irrsinn" beginnt, an C. Lombroso (s. S.
'309). Der Verfasser prüfte bereits damals das gesamte Gebiet der Kunst
auf seine Entartungserscheinungen hin. Dr. Goebbels und die
Nationalsozialisten übernahmen seine Vorarbeit für die Propagierung ihrer
kunstpolitischen Ziele.


Dietrich Bronder - Bevor Hitler Kam, page 155-156

As usual with these psycho freaks:

- antisemitism played by Jews in a Punch-and-Judy Scam
- "entartete Kunst" propaganda played by Jews in a Punch-and-Judy Scam
- being "against" the Zionists played by Jews in a Punch-and-Judy Scam
Eine ähnlich interessante Persönlichkeit war Jakob Wilhelm Hauer (s.
S. 223), der aber kein Scharlatan wie Hanussen war, sondern ein zu
achtender und ernst zu nehmender Wissenschaftler mit allerdings
beträchtlichen okkultistisch-mystischen Neigungen
. Der 1881 in
Württemberg Geborene und 1962 Gestorbene arbeitete als Maurer,
studierte dann Philosophie und Theologie, promovierte zum Dr. phil.,
leitete fünf Jahre lang als Missionar eine evangelische Schule in Indien,
wo er sich zu einem gründlichen Fachmann des BuddhismusHinduismus
entwickelte
, der noch vor wenigen Jahren ein Buch über
den Yoga schrieb.
1921 hängte er das Pfarramt an den Nagel und versah
erst in Marburg, dann ein Tübingen eine Professur für
Religionswissenschaft. 1933 trat er aus der Kirche aus und versuchte als
Führer des 1934 aufgelösten Bundes Freireligiöser Gemeinden
Deutschlands, diesen mit Hilfe seiner SS-Freunde gleichzuschalten. Als
das mißlang, gründete er die Deutsche Glaubensbewegung und
resignierte auch hier als Führer im Jahre 1936. Der SS-Führer Hauer,
der im „SS-Ahnenerbe" tätig war, besaß enge Verbindungen zu der
okkultistischen Eanos-Bewegung in Ascona (Schweiz), wo er mit dem
bekannten jüdischen Gelehrten Professor Dr. Martin Buber (1878 in
Wien geboren, wurde nach 1945 in der Bundesrepublik hoch geehrt und
starb 1965) zusammenwirkte.

Dietrich Bronder - Bevor Hitler Kam - page 231-232

So less of a surprise where that "un-German" swastika was coming from... :wissl:
Neben der Kulturschande des römischen Index ist es eine weitere
höchst wichtige Institution des Katholizismus, die für den
Nationalsozialismus ein direktes Vorbild abgegeben hat
: der JesuitenOrden
(SJ), eine 1534 von dem heiligen Ignatius von Loyola, einem
schwerverwundeten spanischen Hauptmann a. D., jüdischer Abkunft
wie alle drei ersten Ordensgenerale der Jesuiten (1556 gestorben)
gestiftete Kongregation
, welche heute die größte und seit Jahrhunderten
die einflußreichste der Kirche ist — so daß man ihren General den
„schwarzen Papst" nennt. Dieser Orden gab das Vorbild für die
Errichtung der SS und der NSDAP ab, wobei die straffe, militärähnliche
Organisation der Jesuiten besonders bewundert wurde
— und zwar von
Männern, die großteils durch eine streng katholische Erziehung gegangen
waren, wie Hitler und Himmler, oder wie Goebbels und Strasser
selbst ehemalige Jesuitenschüler


Idem - page 257

The Jewish Jesuits formed a "great example" for the NSDAP... why would a party so opposed to jews do such a strange thing? Ah Ja, they were jews themselves. :facepalm:
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27 - BOOK 'BEFORE HITLER CAME' - BY DIETRICH BONDER

Titolo: " Bevor Hitler kam"

For english-only speaking:
This book is in german language. English title would be: Before Hitler came - A historical study (1975). Dietrich Bronder's monumental book exposes the occult roots and shadowy organizations behind the rise of Adolf Hitler. From
philosophers that helped to shape the political doctrine of national socialism
to secret societies (such as Thule) that later implemented it as the 3rd Reich
slowly gained its final form as envisioned by the secret founders.

So a jew Dietrich Bronder writes an 'exciting' book about the 'occult roots and shadowy organizations' behind the rise of Adolf Hitler... :roll:

Hitler and the "Nazis" were Occultists debunked in under 3 minutes

You can’t understand the world without understanding the Truth of WW2 and you can’t truly understand WW2 without understanding the Truth of WW1. And to get the full picture you need to understand who the German people were as a race and culture before these world wars were created to crush them.

Germany did not start WW1 or WW2… the Germans have been the victims.
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Hitler and NSDAP were just as zionist controlled as the marxists 19 Jul 2016 22:05 #55

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Debunking Anthony Migchels concerning NSDAP monetary policy and usury

Posted on 09/25/2013



On Tuesday, September 24th, 2013 Deanna Spingola interviewed Rodney Martin who debunked a Veterans Today article by Anthony Migchels entitled “Hitler’s Finances and the Myth of Nazi Anti-Usury Activism” which has been widely circulated on various alternative media sites within the “half-truth movement” to keep the kool-aid drinkers sedated, dumbed down and dis-informed, and unable to see, much less accept the fact the Hitler and the NSDAP opposed the Bankster Gangsters and their system of usury, and that National Socialism was the solution to the New World Order agenda.

Who would not want the world to know that? Moreover, who would have a vested interest in keeping the so-called “truth movement” from accepting that fact, and keeping them perpetually demonizing Hitler and “evil Nazis”? Who has a vested interest in keeping “truth seekers” going down rabbit holes that go nowhere? It merely keeps certain “truther gurus” in a position to keep repeating their hysterical mantras, and to keep their reputations and fear mongering strategies afloat, which enables them to rake in cash from their books and DVDs etc, and no doubt, even more cash from their handlers. Who ultimately benefits? What agenda is served?

By the way, Anthony Migchels’ article is virtually un-sourced. He merely adds some related links at the bottom and pretends that his diatribe is authoritative. About the only thing he sources is from the Jewish Virtual Library where they quote Schacht, as if they are not a biased source? Mr. Migchels apparently also believes in “Nazis”. There was never any such thing. They exist only in the imagination and rantings of ignorant people who love to hate National Socialism and to bash people around who are no longer here to defend themselves. His use of that term speaks to his bias.


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1. The author Anthony Migchels admits that he has NO DATA regarding interest rates (Usury) during the Hitler era. Thus, he debunks himself and admits he has no proof. Rodney states that

2. Hjalmar Schacht was a “Rothschild Baking agent” who served two terms as head of the Reichsbank. One term during Weimar years and then again, because of his experience and connections was brought back by Hitler for an interim, transitional period until Hitler was able to put his own plan in place. However, however, he was first appointed by Hitler as the Minister of Economics. Schacht was not an NSDAP party member. He spoke perfect English, had spent a lot time in America, had connections, was very egotistical and enjoyed having power and prestige, and to be in the limelight. Thus, Hitler was able to use and manipulate him to make him useful and to act as a kind of firewall against the international bankers while Germany was being reorganized under the NSDAP. Schacht was later removed when he was no longer useful to the NSDAP government and his services and connections were no longer needed.

3. Professor Gottfried Feder who wrote the book on National Socialist monetary and economic policy served as State Secretary in the Finance Ministry and in the number 2 position where exerted great influence. Hermann Goering implemented the first 4 year plan in which the NSDAP govt moved towards self-sufficiency.

4. Migchels states that Schacht oversaw the creation of IG Farben which is patently false, and furthermore, IG Farben was nothing sinister, but the name has been deliberately tainted in the post war years and used as a trigger to conjure mental images of the “holocaust” and an emotional state of repulsion. Migchels uses it like a pro to gain sympathy for his position. IG Farben was an innovative company that developed, amongst other things, synthetic oil which assisted Germany to become self-sufficient and independent. It was a spin-off from the old and well established BASF company. During Schacht’s first term as a President of the Reich’s Bank in the Weimar years, he approved the loan as “start up capital” for IG Farben which they needed, but he had no other involvement. So again, this is just an emotional ploy in Migchels’ script.

5. Schacht was replaced by Walther Funk, a protoge of Feder, who implemented the NSDAP plan.

6. Migchels states “there was no usury free economy”. Rodney cites “Behemoth: The Structure and Practice of National Socialism, 1933-1944” by Franz Leopold Neumann (Oxford Uni. Press, 1944) which details the barter system.

7. Migchels claims the classic lie that Germany’s recovery was based upon re-armament, how ever, that did not begin in earnest until 1936. Rodney states that Hitler’s unprecedented mammoth Autobahn project was NOT financed with loans from the International Bankers, but by selling bonds and paying workers with Reichs Labour Treasury Certificates. Rodney cites “The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy“, by Adam Tooze


Bottom Line Facts:

Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government.

Hitler said, “For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.”

The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people. In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest.

Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture. Germany flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits.

Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:

“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).

In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

“Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.”

These facts do not appear in any textbooks today, since Jews own most publishing companies. What does appear is the disastrous runaway inflation suffered in 1923 by the Weimar Republic, which governed Germany from 1919 to 1933. Today’s textbooks use this inflation to twist truth into its opposite. They cite the radical devaluation of the German mark as an example of what goes wrong when governments print their own money, rather than borrow it from private cartels. Source: How Hitler Defied the Bankers (based on Web of Debt by Ellen Brown)


Quotes from Hjalmar Schacht: :left:

“The German future lies in the hands of our Fuehrer”

“Instead of a weak and vacillating Government, a single, purposeful, energetic personality is ruling today.”

“The aim and the idea of the Four Year Plan were and remain entirely correct and necessary!”

“Only the closest collaborators of the Fuehrer know how difficult is the burden of this responsibility; how sorrowful are the hours during which decisions must be made which bear upon the well being and the fate of all of Germany.”

An American banker had once commented to him, “Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We’ve lots of money and that’s real banking.” Schacht replied, “You should come to Berlin. We don’t have money. That’s real banking.” (John Weitz, Hitler’s Banker, Warner Books, Great Britain: 1999)

“Germany can generally only pay if the Corridor and Upper Silesia will be handed back to Germany from Polish possession, and if besides somewhere on the earth colonial territory will be made available to Germany.”

“Allied supplies of arms to Russia, and the manpower reserves of Russia have been sufficient to bring continuous counter-attacks against our Eastern Front.”






What's so hard to understand about Hitlers' financing , I really don;t know ..... in my early days I too believed as Gaia but that was 10 yrs ago now and nothing else but this makes sense to me , because it's historically accurate.

I don't believe Hitler was he a Rothschild , a Freemason or their stooge with a cabinet full of jews.

That Hitler sacked Schacht would infer he didn't altogether trust him -
If I had a question here at all - it would be did Schacht create it out of thoroughly good intentions or ego motivated within the International banker circle to prove it could work , or ( heaven forbid ) that the bankters wanted a strong Germany to war with again.
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1 - there were openly Nazi supporters under the Freemasons
2 - while two of the "brethern" were shortly inconvenienced by the Gestapo, after intervention of the US branch they were released
3 - different lodges stayed active during WWII

And of course as these are secret societies, everything they publish should be taken with a halite mine of salt...
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This paper is not, in any way, written against Germany or German Freemasonry. On the contrary, it is meant as an expression of gratitude toward a handful of German brethren who, in my eyes, saved the honor of German Freemasonry during the most difficult period of its history, and as a contribution to a better understanding between Masons.

Although arrested in Paris 1943 by the Gestapo as a twelve-year old Frenchman, I chose to live in Germany since 1960. I was made a Mason in 1963 and belonged from 1977 to 1991 to the jurisdictions of the United Grand Lodges of Germany and to that of the German Supreme Council.
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www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/05/02/


"Murders" of Lincoln, Fortuyn, ML King, JFK, RFK = fake, fake and fake

The first victim of war is truth


I'm curious that you that think Lincoln, ML King, JFK, RFK were fake murders.? ( political assassinations ) - [/color][/b]
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What's so hard to understand about Hitlers' financing , I really don;t know ..... in my early days I too believed as Gaia but that was 10 yrs ago now and nothing else but this makes sense to me , because it's historically accurate.

There is nothing hard to understand I think. It's quite clear, if you take the veil of Nazi propaganda away.

- the build-up to the huge army of the Nazis was ordered and funded by the Zionists
- there are no secrets there, with obvious cash flows from the US (Bushes, Fords, banksters)
- all the big banksters were still in place
- none of the Rothschilds ended up in a camp, nor did any of the other influential families. Those that were imprisoned were the normal, ordinary, hard-working innocent jews (showing the combined plan of the NaZionists, having the same goal)
I don't believe Hitler was he a Rothschild , a Freemason or their stooge with a cabinet full of jews.

If he was a Rothschild, we will never know. As his grandfather is and always will be unknown everything is speculation. But that powerful families have placed their children in "unsuspicious" households before is no secret. Also the Maser narrative doesn't make any sense, as unraveled earlier.

He was a stooge for the Zionists, being trained at Tavistock and funded by them. "His" book Mein Kampf is probably written by intelligence agencies, not by Hitler himself. Also what he does is failing to blame the most obvious parties, which shows he is controlled (type Alex Jones and David Icke who say a lot but the truth lies in what they don't say).
That Hitler sacked Schacht would infer he didn't altogether trust him -

He installed a known Freemason and Hebrew speaker (if that doesn't ring any alarm bells, I don't know what does) as his most important minister (in the pre-war years it was the Economy, with Propaganda second, during the war it was the War and Propaganda). That is very curious and suspicious. If Hitler really was against Freemasons he would never ever have done that. If he really was so "outraged" about "powerful jews" he would have pointed his weapons at THEM, not at the ordinary ones who formed no threat to the societies.

Therefore it is no surprise the Dutch (and probably other countries too) police was so helpful in the horrible process of kidnapping and razzias. They were controlled to do so to. Similar: the "invasions" into the countries Hitler performed were extremely easy. Too easy to be true.
If I had a question here at all - it would be did Schacht create it out of thoroughly good intentions or ego motivated within the International banker circle to prove it could work , or ( heaven forbid ) that the bankters wanted a strong Germany to war with again.

I think there are multiple angles:

- the psychological angle:
* paint Germany as the most evil empire ever
* make sure Israel will be "morally" correct because the jews -the ordinary ones, the masses- did suffer

- the military angle:
* create a split within Europe; weaken the central power in the continent
* invade West Germany with US bases and give East Germany to the Soviets
* create a huge war machine where a lot of technological advancements are made; the real motive behind Project Paperclip; first let them grow as "evil" Nazis and then import that brainpower into the US (and start the space hoaxes)

- the financial angle:
* loan a lot of money to the Third Reich and make sure the German people have to pay it off
* make the Nazi economy look good to the inside and bad to the outside ("those human soap producers have an interest-free monetary system" = BAAD)
* investments and gains, a LOT of them, from all side (the typical Rothschild "support all sides of the war" Ponzi scheme where some small Elites made shitloads of money)

- the "educational" angle
* create a Holocaust Industry of Lies and Half-Truths to "educate" people in the future (after 1945 that is)

- the "build-up" angle
* seen today "live" in the Middle East; first bomb the shit out of a country and then come in as "the good guys" to build it up again. Same with the twin towers, etc.

In all these schemes there are a few winners:
- the banksters
- the big industrialists
- the big media
- the big science (getting technological development and inventions from war)
- the big political bodies (Volkenbund, UN, EU)

and a LOT of losers:
- the normal, ordinary people
- of whatever race, religion, nationality or nose size
- real advancement and development
- real economic growth
- real science (space hoaxes again)

The Powers now want to play out the people against each other and that's where this TGSNT angle is coming from. It spreads disinfo and outright lies to shield off the real powers; the industrialists that funded the whole scam and the political powers that executed it.

The Propaganda of the Nazis was so strong (and unfortunately seeing here it still is) that the people of back then are impossible to blame. They didn't know any better. They actually believed that Hitler would "save" Germany and "make it stronger".

While obviously the complete opposite is true; a highly advanced young nation of the start of the 20th century has been stabbed twice in a "world" "war" and painted as the bad guy. While all the time the only bad guys were the Zionists, the Elitist Jews, the banksters, industrialists, the psychopaths thus, and the good guys were all the innocent victims, both back then and today.
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Very true. The disinfo of the Hitler Hero Story is very thick here on TZ and shady websites as the Daily Stormer et al.
It is indeed my motivation to cut through those lies and propaganda, set up by the jews themselves, not in the least Joseph Goebels.

What exactly are you talking about? Which "Hitler Hero Story"? I guess you are speaking about the truth exposed.
What you are doing is far from cutting through lies and propaganda, in fact your are trying in vain to do the opposite.
I don't think that Prof. Dr. Joseph Goebbels was Jewish, I did not see any hard proof from authentic free sources yet.


en.metapedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels as usual the anglo-american version has to be taken with a pinch of salt
de.metapedia.org/wiki/Goebbels,_Joseph


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Also true. The slick "documentary" TGSNT is a major player in this disinfo war of the Hitler Worshipers. It is cleverly mixing Hollywood propaganda with NaZionist propaganda, showing the true colours of the producer, Dennis "Wise".

What exactly is "slick" about TGSNT? Telling the truth in a professional, appealing way is just the long overdue counter reaction to
we-all-know-who-owns-it Hollywood propaganda which has been hammered into the brains of the unsuspecting ignorant masses worldwide
since the first day Tinseltown, this mother of all modern day anti-German-lies machinery was established. It's a good, a healing thing
that the truth is finally out.


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Also true. The Hitler Hero Story was already abundant in the 1930s, when people didn't have internet and couldn't know who was behind the mass rape of Germany.

If you choose to call the truth a "Hero Story", so be it, because that's what it is after all.


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Now, 80+ years later, we can be wiser and see through the propaganda and lies, the disinfo strategies and the bullshit.

I totally agree.




No response yet, so you seem to agree or rather we agree on not agreeing in certain respects.

This thread inspired me to start one where quotes are not allowed, just simple plainspeak in ones own words,
for all those huge walls of quotes are killing every decent, honest and serious conversation.


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