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TOPIC: The Purposes of War

The Purposes of War 11 Feb 2017 17:48 #1

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Based on a short (off-topic) discussion in another thread, it seems right to have a separate topic about war.

The first question that arises when thinking about the purposes of war is: What IS war?

There is no real carved in stone definition of war. The "mainstream" has used definitions but as it's mainstream, it's always tricky to just stick to them; they are meant to propagate an agenda.

As an illustration of that, a famous quote that comes in different forms:
Peace: A period of cheating between two periods of fighting - Ambrose Bierce
Peace is just a period between two wars - Jean Giraudoux

The use of these quotes suggests that the natural state of mankind is "war". This is also what mainstream history "teaches" us by focusing attention on the wars of history, glorifying or demonising wars and their leaders, and retelling the long period of mankind as "essentially a series of wars".

But is it?

Isn't history, or better "his-story" not a collection of dramatised tales that is indoctrinated into our minds?

As a comparison; a soap series, pick any of them. Are our daily lives really so much filled with drama, intrigue, back-stabbing and curious events as it is told in soap series? Not really.

Same for history. 99.99+ % of the time people are just living their normal lives, the majority of mankind that is. We are not fighting, not planning intrigues or anything like it. It's just "boring" everyday business of survival and hard work; getting food on the table, raising our kids and socialising with other human beings.

There is no reason to assume in the past it worked differently.

The natural state of mankind, of the non-Crazy Apes that is, is peace. Not war. People can be fighting, but fighting is not war. If two neighbours are fighting with each other, none of them is going to occupy the other house, enslave their children and take control of a future money supply. Looting is stealing and is instantaneous, it's not a long term plan. Not war.

War is essentially a game played by psychopaths, Crazy Apes. A game with different purposes which I think are interesting to analyse, given that we talk so much about wars on TZ.

The purposes of war
Main purpose, the root of it is control.
A - control of territory
B - control of money
C - control of people

With as most important subsets:
A1 - control of resources
A2 - control of strategic locations

B1 - control of the money supply of an area
B2 - control of making money, using war

C1 - control of people directly (as enslavement)
C2 - control of people's minds (propaganda)

Examples all over:
A1 - most wars are about controlling resources. In former times the control of fertile lands, in modern times more about ores and oil & gas. Today we have a couple of wars going on in the world and they are all centered around resources; Syria; oil & gas, Mali; phospates & uranium, future (??) Iran; OIL, lots of oil. In the past, the colonisations by the Russian, European and Asian powers over areas in the world, etc.

A2 - most recently of course the occupation of the Crimea by Russia, but many wars are about controlling strategic locations. The US with Cuba, Philippines, islands used as military bases around the world, etc. The Bosporus by the Ottoman Empire, the Suez canal, Panama canal, Silk Route, Gibraltar Strait, etc. etc. In most cases related to geography and a recommended reading for this is "The Revenge of Geography" by (mainstream) scholar Robert Kaplan.

B1 - this is a topic mostly scratched upon re WWII, but the real root of it is yet to be discussed in detail. Let's leave it for a new and specific topic.
B2 - here WWII comes into play as the most obvious of examples and because it was so world wide. The infamous treacherous trick by the Rothschilds in "Waterloo" is well known to the truth seekers, but this methodology was of course not only used there in France/Britain in the early 19th century, but many times before ("religious" wars in the Early Modern Period, Asian empires, the US with the "War on Drugs", etc. etc. etc.)

B2a - making money pre-war
B2b - making money during wars
B2c - making money post-war

Examples of B2a are the war economies of WWII. The Soviets, the Allies, the Fascists, all of them have made a lot of money in the running up towards the "inevitable" WWII. Or rather those providing those forces with weapons (armament industry), logistics and materials (civil industry; clothing design; Hugo Boss), etc. Mostly jews again.

An example of B2b is the research and development of weapons. Would rockets have been invented if it wasn't for WWII? We will never know, but without that silly war there was no need to develop those things and money, effort, people and resources could have been assigned to meaningful, peaceful and improvements, not destructive weaponry. Also the sponsoring of war efforts by money lenders in the back, most of them jewish of course again, that affected all war criminals, including the Nazis.

Another example is the long history of colonisations and conquests, essentially wars by """superior""" Western powers against """backward""" """primitives"'", first in Latin America, southern Africa and southeast Asia, later in North America and Australia and latest in northern and central Africa, India and Middle East.

The roots of the investments of the "Age of Discovery" are (of course and again) jewish.

The Spanish and Portuguese efforts in mainland Latin America are well-known by anyone, but did you know the conquest of areas we now know as Venezuela and NE Colombia was performed by Germans?? Or maybe better called (((Germans)))?

B2c is very visible with what we talked about; the post-war destructed "build-up". Without destroying "old stuff" first, there wouldn't have been such a big motivation to reconstruct and develop afterwards. Japan, Europe, China, as examples of WWII and Iraq as modern example, Syria will follow in the next decade and will come out as a "reconstructed nice place" in the future, like Hong Kong after the Japanese invasions of former British "property".

C1, the enslavement of people to "the new rule". Happened everywhere and every time with warmongering psychos. The Eastern European countries who suddenly had to sacrifice their hard earned money and work to the commies, Soviet puppet states. The Dutch, Belgians and French in WWII who were rationed and where formerly they had a well running economy, suddenly were paying tributes to the Nazis and had to work for them. The post-war payments of the German people to Allies who destroyed their lands. Essentially the outcome of the Crazy Apes; "I own you now".

C2, visible best in the modern wars because we have more alternative sources to rely upon. In Roman times it's pretty hard to understand how much propaganda there was because we don't have written texts of the Visigoths or the Kelts or the Saxons. Now, with so many different viewpoints at hand the search is easier and at the same time more difficult because of counterpropaganda, compromised sources, new agendas, controlled opposition, etc.

But propaganda is and remains a very important and successful factor of war, even today where things can be researched, most people you'd ask on the street (so outside of the small truth seeking community) would just say that ISIS is a real islamic terrorist threat, or that the Nazis really gassed 6 million jews in non-existing gas chambers, burying their bodies in the Polish swamps, digging them up in the middle of -20 degree winters and burning 6 million bodies to piles of ash that reach to the clouds using impossible magical burners invented by Ze Ausgerottene Rat on this very forum last year. :larf:

Propaganda is needed to both keep the people of the power that is waging war in line and to keep them afraid of "the enemy", that of course doesn't really exist; it's the friendly Elite of the other party that is in line with the Elite of the war country.
Best visible in the Cold War. Most of us have grown up under this idea that there was a "kind of war, but not really" going on between the US/"""capitalism"""/"""democracy""" and SU/"""communism"""/dictatorship.

Comments read here on TZ that "the Space (and Nuke) Hoax(es) are not really important and just side-topics" are incredibly stupid; they are two of the main tools of the Cold War scare, fake, propaganda, not true. So to understand the Cold War better, it's essential to recognise those as hoaxes. And also they are on-going. The Nuke scare is not so active anymore, with some Nuke Reactor Hoax (thanks BakerStreet) """incidents""' like Fukushima as exceptions, but the Space Hoax is still very alive, unfortunately.

Has become a long OP and a bit longer than anticipated and more of an essay than normally, but interesting to see other views and ideas about this concept that unfortunately (still) is very real, no matter the amounts of fakery and trickery; war and its purposes.
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The Purposes of War 09 Dec 2017 17:21 #2

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The Purposes of War 31 May 2018 06:23 #3

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What I think WWII was (also, there were 1000s of parallel motives) about was to subvert three of the most intelligent, well developed cultures of the Western world.

There were basically three “factions” to be dealt with by the warmongering psychopaths:
1 – the Germanic people – and their advanced, well developed technology, art, literature, science
2 – the Russian people – and their art, literature, science
3 – individual jews – and their art, literature, business and science

The “traditional” stronghold in world politics has been Great Britain, for the 200 years prior to WWII (following the Spanish Empire that was number one before but in great decline in the early 18th century). The British powers didn’t want to see a strong Germany, nor didn’t they want to see a strong Russia. Both powers excelled in their respective areas and needed to be suppressed.

Then there were the jews. The individual, normal, working class jews of Europe were well-integrated in language, business and even culture (though may -or may not- have practiced a different religion). Also they excelled in art, science, business and other intellectual areas. Despite many attempts by the Zionists to get them to move to Palestine, they refused, having their local communities and friends outside of the jewish groups. They did not want to move to some desert in the Middle East. That has been admitted to have sparked the “need for a ‘good’ crisis, that shouldn’t go to waste”.

The black-and-white idea pushed by online Nazis “it’s Ze Jews!” is of course completely ridiculous. Yes, the big jewish ultrarich families have dominated European society for centuries in the back. They were scheming, tricking and infiltraiting (no typo) the diverse societies of the European continent. But the normal jews didn’t have anything with them in common, other than maybe an invented “ethnicity” or a religion. But it would be just as ridiculous to hold a common Brit responsible for the actions of Theresa May or a US American christian for the deeds of Trump/Obama/Bush whatever. Salomon the Butcher has nothing to do with Soros the Manslayer.

So there was a plan scripted (already decades in the making; those ultrarich families plan a century ahead) to suppress all parties:
– Russia by the commie terror
– Germany by the fascist terror
– Jews by the “Holocaust” terror

And it worked;

Germany was defeated, destroyed and occupied and split (the Nazis had a big hand in that due to their many strategic “mistakes” and their focus on transporting jews instead of protecting their “Aryan” German people)
Russia was already before put under the boot of communism, but that anti-Russian power was further strengthened with the Warsaw Pact countries and left for a new “war” later, the Cold “War”.
And the individual jews were also destroyed; ripped away from their homelands, kidnapped and shipped to all over the world and the Zionist State in particular and can rely on an “eternal suffering” to be used whenever wanted.

If you take into account the Eastern theater (not for nothing they use that word!), the other 2 big powers in the region there suffered the same fate; Japan was turned into the culprit for everything and China was placed under the horrors of Mao.

So all the higher, better developed, more intelligent and creative cultures (Germanic, Russian, jewish, Chinese, Japanese) were submitted to “the new order”.


Of course that didn’t go well with the online armchair Nazis I have been dealing with for the past 2.5 years:
truth-zone.net/forum/researchers-and-presenters/70000-the-impartial-truth.html?start=20#287982
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The Purposes of War 13 Jan 2019 21:42 #4

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As a response to Lizzy's post in the World War II fakery topic, as it is broader than that and on-topic here.
Lizzy wrote:
Gaia wrote:

All "sides" of WWII, Allies, Axis and Comintern, were funded and supported by the same bankster and industrialist clique; the Warburgs, Morgans, Loebs, Fords, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Schiffs, etc. etc. All sides came from Freemasonry too.

War basically is a game played by psychopaths, using real human "capital" for their sick games.

The purposes of war are variable, but always fall in the categories:
- social indoctrination/mass psychology
- money making
- technological advancement and civilian spin-offs
- strategic occupation of lands, especially focused on resources
- mass movement of people

WWII was the biggest in that respect, with the largest participation in mainly Europe and Asia, little activity in the Americas, and showing what those purposes were when you analyze the narratives and actions on the ground.

As in every game, deliberate losing is part of it, especially when the rewards for that are in the background. It is not only boxing matches that get fixed. ;)

The jews declared war on Germany in 1933 - you know that . I believe they were beginning to see Hitler would never be their puppet.

No, not "the jews declared war on Germany". Zionists at a congress with just 1500 attendants decided to wage an economic war. Those Zionists of course do not represent "THE jews". Just as a CFR/Bilderberg/other society meeting of 1500 people deciding "the US declares war on terrorism/drugs/muslims/Germany/whatever" does not represent the views of every US American.

Yes, those Zionists decided that economic war, but retracted that soon after. Both sides were played in order to get the jewish settlement of Palestine in motion.
So which wars were fought to be intentionally lost -
excepting that Korea and Vietnam were - winning wasn't the objective there - giving communism it's war bounty borders or the whole country was.
Which others - excluding Germany ? - which never fought to lose.

I didn't say "every war is fought to deliberately lose", but that deliberately losing is part of war efforts.

Look at the present;

1 - Gulf War I - the war was waged against Saddam, painting him as a monster using a completely fake "testimony" (Nayirah "Babies out of incubators" Hill & Knowlton propaganda ("PR") campaign, but was not finished. George H.W. Bush didn't bring down Saddam, but the US left him play on for another 10 years.
2 - Gulf War II - the US could have slamdunked Iraq in weeks, and initially claimed they did, but then a "new problem" was created, and a reaction and solution provided (the typical strategy); the Al Qaeda narrative, which made it "necessary" for the US military to stay in Iraq for many years to come.
3 - as an offshoot thereof; "ISIS". The narrative that some mountain fighters in Kurdistan were able to hold off the most advanced military in the world is of course ridiculous, but they keep this narrative going for years already.

In essence, a deliberately losing war you could describe as a "False Flag". Take for instance the Malvinas/Falkland War. Nobody in their right mind would expect that the Argentinian army really would be capable of beating the far more advanced British army, making the invasion and reoccupation of the Malvinas a kind of False Flag, staged for the British to come in and claim victory.

This effect is also visible in many staged coup d'etats in history (especially the 2002 one "against" Hugo Chávez, which was just a staged "coup" never to happen). As a version of that take the various so-called "assassination attempts" in his-story (US: Reagan, Carter, Nazi Germany: many, a.o. Elser, Von Stauffenberg -both jews-, the many staged ones "against" Queen Victoria, etc. etc.).

Or look at the "War" of 1812:



(warning; mainstream view, but you can deduct a lot from it)
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