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TOPIC: The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY

The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 07 Sep 2019 18:36 #21

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Firestarter wrote:
A major impossibilty in the moon landings is that it's impossible to fly in vacuum..

Arthur C.Clarke debunked that claim long ago in the 'Astronomical Fallacies' chapter of his book "Greetings Carbon-based Bipeds".
The fact is that the force of the rocket blast will propel the ship regardless of whether it's in a vacuum or not, as per Newtonian physics.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 07 Sep 2019 18:46 #22

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Incidentally although I could perhaps believe that Apollo 11 was faked to meet Kennedy's pledge to put men on the moon before the end of the 60's, and to be a diversion because Nam was going badly for them, why was there any need to fake the next 6 Apollo missions?
After 11, why didn't they simply say "Okay we put men on the moon in 11, job done, no need to do it again"?
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 07 Sep 2019 18:52 #23

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Their own Copernican-Keplerian-Newtonian(-Einsteinian) model; until the brackets I take this still as the most reliable model for the observations we can make from Earth, says that every problem in space is by default a 2-body problem.

According to the model, basically all orbits are slightly elliptical with the main gravitational body in one of the two focal points of the elliptoid orbit. This makes every problem already a 2 body problem with 2 gravitational fields affecting 2 bodies. This is the bare minimum.

In case of Gaia, because of our gigantic sister Selene (replace by Bachué respectively Chía or any other figure or name at will), we by definition have a 3 body problem, without even introducing humans. Or a 4 body problem if we count that pretty omnipotent force of the Milky Way....

Yet, what we are presented with by NASA cum suis, is a 2 body problem with a "satellite" orbiting Earth. As if suddenly the gravitational fields of at least the Moon and the Sun; we know their effects on the gigantic mass that is the oceans, and most probably Jupiter/Mars/Venus, and the Milky Way spiral arm idea suddenly do not matter? Do not exist? Can be excluded to offer a solvable equation, otherwise it becomes too hard to present to gullible people on Earth?

These 2-body problems can never, ever describe reality.

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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 08 Sep 2019 16:24 #24

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Ugh wrote:
Firestarter wrote:
A major impossibilty in the moon landings is that it's impossible to fly in vacuum..

Arthur C.Clarke debunked that claim long ago in the 'Astronomical Fallacies' chapter of his book "Greetings Carbon-based Bipeds".
The fact is that the force of the rocket blast will propel the ship regardless of whether it's in a vacuum or not, as per Newtonian physics.
The fact is that you just post without any knowledge or understanding. Because of "free expansion" it's impossible to use gas in a rocket engine in vacuum.
They once planned to use solid objects for the rocket engine (that wouldn´t have the problem of free expansion).

That's beside it's impossible to test or train.
Could you imagine training for driving a F1 race car by riding your 3-wheel bike?!?

Do you believe all science fiction stories?!?
If NASA would have really attempted to put astronauts on the moon and back again to earth, they would have hired hard core scientists.
Instead they hired a bunch of goofball science fiction special effect guys, like Arthur C. Clarke, who was involved in at least one science fiction movie...

In 1950, Ordway first met science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke, who helped him to become a fellow of the British Interplanetary Society. They became long-time friends.
Ordway became a top official at NASA and worked closely with Wernher von Braun, who was made a professor for making a nice colour rocket movie for Adolf Hitler (no joke!), including on the Apollo program.

In 1965, Ordway met Clarke who was working with movie director Stanley Kubrick on a science fiction movie based on his story “The Sentinel”. After Clarke called Kubrick, Ordway was swiftly asked to become the “scientific and technical advisor” to the film that became “2001: A Space Odyssey” (1968): www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=138&p=5244#p5244
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 08 Sep 2019 17:19 #25

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Ugh wrote:
Arthur C.Clarke debunked that claim long ago in the 'Astronomical Fallacies' chapter of his book "Greetings Carbon-based Bipeds".
The fact is that the force of the rocket blast will propel the ship regardless of whether it's in a vacuum or not, as per Newtonian physics.
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The fact is that you just post without any knowledge or understanding..

Well I got College of Preceptors exam passes in General Science and Advanced Science and went on to work in labs..:)
Arthur C. Clarke knew a bit about stuff too-
WIKI- "Clarke attained a first-class degree in mathematics and physics from King's College London", so when he says rockets will work fine in a vacuum I'm inclined to believe him, unless you can point me to an experiment or something that proves him wrong
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 20 Sep 2019 17:04 #26

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Well I got College of Preceptors exam passes in General Science and Advanced Science and went on to work in labs..:)
So you got some degree in teaching. Most of what they teach in school is BS anyway (especially history).
That wouldn´t be any sort of preparation for "work in labs" though.

If hypothetically speaking you worked with vacuum compartments at a lab, you should know that the whole Apollo moon landing is impossible.
Vacuum compartments only stay vacuum because the pomps keep pomping and are much, much smaller than those wonderful Apollo spacehips.
The "doors" to those wonderful spacesuits the astronuts were wearing when they were supposedly doing scientific research... open the wrong way (the pressure coming from the inside would blow them open).

Ugh wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke knew a bit about stuff too-
WIKI- "Clarke attained a first-class degree in mathematics and physics from King's College London", so when he says rockets will work fine in a vacuum I'm inclined to believe him, unless you can point me to an experiment or something that proves him wrong
..:)
Arthur C. Clarke knew a bit about stuff "too", like you with your teaching degree and some unspecified activities "work at labs"?!?
Clarke was first, foremost a science fiction writer and second a pathological liar.

So I was fooled once again...
You doubt the NASA nonsense yourself, while baiting me into some useless discussion!

I´ve seen another thread with an impressive... quantity in posts!
The following was posted by Ugh.

Apollo17 astronut Harrison Schmitt puts his visor up on the moon. Because on the moon there´s no atmosphere radiation from the sun causes damage.


From the following video.
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 23 Sep 2019 17:50 #27

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According to some NASA trolls it would´ve been more difficult to make some fake videos with nice special effects than actually go to the moon and back!
If only I could find a single blatant mistake in the special effects to prove once and for all that the Apollo moon landings never happened.
Now if only I could reach the masses...

The NASA-troll on Davidicke.com once posted the following interesting video from the Apollo 17 hoax.


In my opinion the most damaging in this video is...
From 0:43-0:45 - First the leg of the astronaut, who is behind the flag, goes through the pole. Then the backpack goes through the flagpole and flag…
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The Impossibility of Space Travel - EVER - DISCUSS AWAY 24 Sep 2019 10:34 #28

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It is just painful to watch, this first grade school project.

Look at that "mountain" with somehow near-vertical slope at 4 feet behind the astroclowns.

AND HOW IS OPERATING THE CAMERA??

There are 2 astronots in view and the camera pans and zooms. HOW?? Was there a 3rd astronot on the Moon?

Fucking jokers, they keep amazing.

I don't see what you see here, and there is way too much light to make out anything anyway. There are so many points in just a short video to see, and we all see different things.

Once you've seen how fucking fake it is it is impossible to unsee.

What is funny is seeing these Truly Groupthinker posts winding himself deeper and deeper into the quicksand.
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Moon rocks?!? 28 Nov 2019 14:49 #29

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NASA trolls claims that the rocks they took back from the moon is genuine, unfakable evidence that astronuts actually walked one the moon is possibly even more ridiculous than those poor quality videos with “amazing” special effects...


According to the NASA propaganda, the hundreds of pounds of “moon rocks” brought back are solid evidence that astronauts collected these on the moon.
Supposedly geologists worldwide have confirmed that these rocks were found on the moon. If they examined only a couple of grams, why would we believe that the other hundreds of pounds are of the same material?
They couldn’t verify that these were from the moon by comparing it to the “real thing”, but instead verified if these rocks are from the moon by comparing them to what the official theory is (freemasons are experts at “speculative” theories). According to some “conspiracy theorists” this common consensus, is controlled by the same powers that control NASA…

As for the story that these “moon rocks” couldn’t have been collected on earth…
More than 330 meteorites similar to the supposed “moon rocks” have been found on earth.


According to NASA these “lunar meteorites” actually originate from the moon.
They explain that these “lunar meteorites” on earth, with that meteoroids strike the Moon every day (fortunately none of the astronauts in their magical space suits were hit...) that caused some “moon rocks” reach lunar escape velocity of 2.38 km/s (more than 8500 km/h!): meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm


I was surprised to learn that the “moon rocks” sold by NASA for “extraordinary evidence” of the “moon landings” were filled with oxygen: www.sciencenews.org/article/50-years-ago-spacecraft-discovered-oxygen-moon-rocks


The differences in supposed moon rocks and rocks found on our earth are only slight. They’re so very slight that one could argue that the supposed moon rocks were never found on the moon but found right here on earth...

In January 2019, it was reported that Jeremy Bellucci analysed a rock that the Apollo 14 astronauts in 1971 brought back from the moon. Bellucci and his team found out that it´s highly unlikely that the rock was indeed formed on the moon, but that it makes perfect sense that it instead formed on Earth.
What makes this discovery even more amazing, is that it has been dated older, 4.011 billion years old, than any rock that has ever been found and analysed on earth...

Even if it would be possible for a rock on earth to be ejected from the earth with an escape velocity of 40,270 km/h (!) and landing on the moon, which is even more difficult to believe than rocks reaching an escape velocity of 8500 km/h from the moon, it would still seem impossible, statistically speaking, that an earth rock found on the moon would be older than any rock discovered on earth: www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/01/earths-oldest-rock-found-on-moon-get-facts-apollo-14-zircons/
(archived here: web.archive.org/web/20190205060306/https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/01/earths-oldest-rock-found-on-moon-get-facts-apollo-14-zircons/)


This isn´t the first time that it was discovered that a supposed moon rock, was actually an earth rock...

In August 2009, it was found out that a moon rock given to former Dutch prime minister Willem Drees by the Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 was nothing more than petrified wood.
After Drees died in 1988, the rock was donated to the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam and put on display: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html


According to moon landing “conspiracy theorist ” Ralph Rene (unfortunately this part is light on evidence, but the rest of the book is good, especially on the topic radiation):
I have been told that Werner Von Braun retrieved two cases of rocks using a U.S. Navy ship in the Antarctic years before the Apollo missions. The shipping labels on the cases said "NASA, Houston, Texas".
(...)
Or they could have used rock samples picked up in Antarctica during the intensive exploration of that continent during the International Geophysical Year in 1957, when that continent was extensively explored. Werner Von Braun had Antarctic rocks shipped to NASA. Any strange rock would do if there were no fossils in it. These rocks could be slowly doled out, but only to those geologists who could be counted on to agree with anything the government said. Much of academia can be relied on to do just that!
Strangely enough, rocks were later found in Antarctica that closely resemble "Moon rocks". In point of fact, some geologists are now positive that these rocks were blasted from the Moon to Earth during immense meteoric impacts.
Previous quote from Ralph Rene - "NASA Mooned America" (1994): ia800406.us.archive.org/31/items/NASAMoonedAmericaByRalphRene1994237P_201604/NASA%20Mooned%20America%20by%20Ralph%20Rene%20_%201994%20_%20237%20p.pdf


During the summer of 1966–67, Von Braun and a small group of other top NASA managers took a “field trip” to Antarctica.
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Moon rocks?!? 28 Nov 2019 15:14 #30

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