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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 11 Mar 2014 11:35 #1

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After almost 4 days of disappearing from radar screens over the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam, MH 370 has still not been located - absolutely nothing.

The plane was a 12 year old 777-200, a widely used and extremely safe modern commercial aircraft.

Malaysian authorities have shown themselves to be pretty useless. Searching the sea where the plane was last recorded on radar. Finding nothing at all yet. Now they are searching the other side of the malaysian peninsular without explanation. It's 250km away from where the plane was last recorded on radar. Why? What do they know and haven't let on?

They are also searching near Hong Kong. Why?

Could MH370 be a modern day Philadelphia Experiment?
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Popularized by the 1984 film, a bizarre low-budget sequel, and a 2012 Syfy channel movie, tales of the Philadelphia Experiment involves covert U.S. Navy operations that led to time travel, teleportation, and mangled flesh.

According to urban legends, two separate and completely different Philadelphia Experiments took place. Both, however, involved the same vessel, the USS Eldridge. What happened in each of these alleged experiments, and what evidence is there to support the rumors?

Two separate sets of bizarre events make up the "Philadelphia Experiment." Both revolve around a Navy Destroyer escort, the USS Eldridge, with the events taking place on two separate days in the summer and fall of 1943.

In the first experiment, an alleged method of electrical field manipulation allowed the USS Eldridge to be rendered invisible on July 22, 1943 in the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. The second rumored experiment was the teleportation and small-scale time travel (with the ship sent a few seconds in the past) of the USS Eldridge from the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard to Norfolk, Virginia, on October 28, 1943.

Horrible tales of mangled seamen and sailors stuck within the metal of the USS Eldridge often accompany this experiment, with the USS Eldrige reappearing seconds later in the waters around Philadelphia. Recitation of the events surrounding the second Philadelphia Experiment often include a cargo and troop transport vessel, the SS Andrew Furuseth. The lore of the second experiment claims those on board the Andew Furuseth viewed the USS Eldridge and it's crew as they teleported into Norforlk momentarily before the ship returned to the waters of Philadelphia.

In 1999, fifteen members of the USS Eldridgecrew held a reunion in Atlantic City, with the veterans bemoaning the decades of questioning surrounding the vessel they served on to the mid-1950s, no rumors of bizarre activity surrounded any teleportation or invisibility experiments in North America during the 1940s, let alone in the area surrounding Philadelphia.

Carl Meredith Allen, using the alias Carlos Miguel Allende, sent a series of letters to astronomer and writer Morris K. Jessup. Jessup authored several early UFO books including the mildly successfulThe Case For The UFO. Allen claimed to be on theSS Andrew Furuseth during the second experiment, witnessing the USS Eldridge emerge in the waters of Norfolk and quickly disappear into thin air.

Carl Allen supplied no proof to verify what he claimed to witness on October 28, 1943. He did win the mind of Morris Jessup, who began to champion Allen's view of the Philadelphia Experiment. Jessup, however, died four years after his first contact with Allen from an apparent suicide.

Moving a ship weighing several thousands tons leaves an inevitable paper trail. On the date of the Philadelphia "Invisibility" Experiment, July 22, 1943, the USS Eldridge had yet to be commissioned. The USS Eldridge spent the day of the alleged teleportation experiments, October 28, 1943, safely within a New York harbor, waiting to escort a naval convoy to Casablanca. The SS Andrew Norfolk spent October 28, 1943, sailing across the Atlantic Ocean en route to the Mediterranean port city of Oran, further discrediting Carl Allen's comments.

And in the early 1940s, the Navy did conduct experiments to make naval vessels "invisible" in the Philadelphia Naval Shipyards, but in a different manner and with a completely different set of desired results.

In these experiments, researchers ran an electric current through hundreds of meters of electrical cable around the hull of a ship to see if they could make the ships "invisible" to underwater and surface mines. Germany deployed magnetic mines in naval theatres — mines that would latch on to the metal hull of ships as they came near. In theory, this system would make the ships invisible to the magnetic properties of the mines.

Sixty years later, we are left without a shred of credible evidence for the Philadelphia Experiment(s), yet rumors persist. If you are still unconvinced, think of the situation from a different viewpoint. No incident, regardless of the horrific nature, would stall development of teleportation technology if the military believed it feasible. Such a resource would be an invaluable front line weapon in war and the backbone of many commercial industries, yet decades later, teleportation is still caged within the realm of science fiction.

In 1951, the United States transferred the Eldrigeto the country of Greece. Greece christened the ship the HS Leon, using the vessel for joint U.S. operations during the Cold War.  USSEldridge met an unceremonious end, with the decommissioned ship sold to a Grecian firm as scrap after five decades of service.
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This is interesting, asking some very pertinent and relevant questions.
The mystery of flight MH370: How on earth, with all our technology, do we lose a giant plane? (Updated)
The mystery of flight MH370: How on earth, with all our technology, do we lose a giant plane? (Updated)By Sebastian Anthony on March 11, 2014 at 8:43 am122 Comments

Updated @ 08:40 March 11: As the Malaysia Airlines MH370 search-and-rescue mission enters its fourth day, we still know almost nothing about the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board. Two passengers were travelling with stolen passports, but Interpol says they weren’t terrorist threats. According to Malaysian military radar, it now seems likely that MH370 turned back after its last contact with air traffic control, possibly crashing into the Strait of Malacca. We still have no idea why it turned back, or where the plane ended up. Read on for previous updates and the original story.

Updated @ 19:30 March 10: Very little new information has come to light since this story was first published this morning. Despite some oil slicks and debris being found in the South China Sea, authorities have confirmed that they didn’t originate from the MH370. Numerous experts have attested to the Boeing 777′s excellent reliability and safety record, and puzzlement at how it could vanish from the skies. We still have no idea how or why the plane disappeared, nor where it crashed. There are very, very few reasons for a modern plane to suddenly disappear. Read on for the original story.

Three days ago, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 vanished from radar off the south coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea. 239 people were on board — and at this point, it is presumed that they have all perished in some kind of disaster. A massive search and rescue effort involving 40 ships and 34 aircraft from nine different nations has yet to discover any sign of the missing aircraft. For me, this is almost incomprehensible: Despite all of the awesome technology that mankind has developed, it’s still possible for a Boeing 777-200 with 239 people on board to vanish. For me, it’s mind blowing that all we have to go on is the plane’s radar signature — and even then, that last radar reading was so poor that the search area is thousands of square miles of open water. Surely, given the fact that we can track a damnsmartphone anywhere on Earth down to a few meters, there’s a better way of keeping track of missing aircraft?

In the words of Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, the fate of MH370 is “a mystery.” The Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia en route to Beijing, was cruising normally at 35,000 feet… and then disappeared. There was no distress call. The weather was fine. The plane’s last known position, via radar, was just south of Vietnam in the South China Sea — which is where search efforts have been focused so far — but one theory suggests that the plane turned back just after the last radar ping, meaning the plane could be hundreds of miles away in the Strait of Malacca. In the absence of any other information, there is speculation that the plane was target of a terrorist attack.
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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 11 Mar 2014 14:56 #4

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For me, the most shocking aspect of the MH370 disaster is that we won’t know what fate befell those 239 souls until we find MH370′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR), aka the black box. Except for that last radar reading, we have absolutely no knowledge of the flight at all until we find that FDR. We have no clue what was said in the cockpit by the captain and first officer — though, seemingly, if something did go wrong, they didn’t even have time to send a mayday message. We have no clue if the plane hit a patch of bad weather, or whether it was hijacked. It really will be one huge mystery until the FDR is recovered — and there’s a good chance, if MH370 did crash into the ocean, that the FDR will never be recovered. In the case of Air France flight AF447, which disappeared off the coast of Brazil, it took two months to locate the wreckage, more than a year to find the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), and the FDR was never found.

The FDR has an underwater locator beacon (ULB) that will ping for at least 30 days, and can be detected up to around two miles away, but when you’re talking about a search area consisting of thousands of square miles, and waters that are almost a mile deep on average, finding the black box will be no mean feat. (Read: Worried about black boxes snooping on you? One is in your car already.)

Do we live in the stone age or something?

So, think about this for a moment. We live in a day and age where GPS (and other radio triangulation methods) can track your smartphone to within a few meters, almost anywhere on Earth. With dedicated, land-based tracking networks, vehicles and devices can be tracked to within a few centimeters. Even in the absence of GPS or radio tracking, inertial guidance (dead reckoning) has been accurate enough since the ’60s to accurately land a nuclear ICBM on the other side of the planet, or put the Apollo mission into space. (Read: Think GPS is cool? IPS will blow your mind.)

And then there’s connectivity. On land, there are networks (both commercial and governmental) that provide data connectivity almost everywhere. Over water is definitely harder, but satellites do provide pretty good coverage — and yes, that particular region of Asia is very well covered by communications satellites. Finally, even if an aircraft is out of satellite/radio coverage, there is absolutely nothing preventing the airplane from transmitting a really juicy low-frequency radio signal that could be picked up thousands of miles away. This is how they communicate with air traffic control, after all.

Why, then, does a plane like the MH370 keep all of its secrets locked up in a black box? Why don’t planes constantly transmit all of their black box data, so that we know their exact location, bearing, altitude, and other important factors, at all times?

The short answer is, there’s no good reason.
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The long answer is, an aircraft generates a lot of data, and no one has bothered to work out a way of transmitting, receiving, and storing that data in a sensible fashion. The fact that disasters like MH370 are incredibly rare is probably one reason that the airline industry hasn’t got around to figuring it out. In 2013, there were around 36 million flights, with 281 total fatalities — and only 105 of those were on commercial jetliners. Compare this to car accidents, where in the US alone 34,080 people died in 2012.

Even so, it is hard to believe that in 2014, aircraft don’t transmit their location and bearing every few milliseconds. There is more than enough bandwidth on the lower radio frequencies for an airplane to transmit this data to the nearest land-based receiving station. Some planes, as I’m sure you’ve heard, even provide WiFi internet access to passengers. It’s hard to believe that the same network couldn’t be used to beam real-time flight data back to air traffic control.

Flightradar24 does a good job of tracking aircraft using the new ADS-B transponder tech, but only over land. ADS-B, which is set to replace radar for aircraft tracking in the next 10 years, will help matters — but it’s not a complete solution.

Perhaps, much like how your smartphone waits for a WiFi connection before downloading or uploading large amounts of data, the plane could scale up how much data it sends: It could transmit basic flight data at all times via VHF, and then a full stream of data from the FDR when there’s a communications satellite overhead. Ultimately, even though FDRs might record more than 100 variables and diagnostics, we’re still only talking about a maximum bandwidth requirement of a few megabits; realistically, a few hundred kilobits per second would probably be more than enough.

With the Air France AF477 FDR never recovered, and now the very high profile disaster of MH370, I wouldn’t be surprised if the airline industry finally takes a serious look at mid-flight aircraft monitoring.
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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 11 Mar 2014 17:05 #6

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The two most likely explanations are it's been blown-up by hijackers/terrorists, or made "invisible" for some reason...either by the Government/Agencies or hijackers/terrorists....and is safely somewhere that cannot be tracked.

So either someone wanted it to disappear (the presence of those tech experts on board is intruiging), or someone simply wanted to blow it into pieces.
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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 11 Mar 2014 17:12 #7

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Often in the second world war and most wars come to that new technology, is said to be something quiet different than it is, as a cover story, the copper wires being put round ships at that time to disrupt the magnetism of a ship so that it would not trigger magnetic mines was an advanced technology so it would not be surprising to see a cover story like the 'Philadelphia Experiment' surrounding it.
Roswell.
Nineteen forty seven.
Nobody knew if a human body could stand up to rocket flight.
The only working large rockets at that time were captured from the Germans.
The man leading the rocket experiments for America was German, and was used to using slave labour.
The V2 could not carry a man, but it is said a capsule could be constructed which was capable of carrying a child,and it is also said some were fitted just for this experiment. Could America afford not to find out, when it is known Russia had just as much captured technology?
If one went off course crashed and was found, would it not be temping to say it was alien, rather than an experiment with a child?
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Reminds me very much of AF 447 and I never bought their story.
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Reminds me very much of AF 447 and I never bought their story.
AF 447 was found though within 2 days. It's tail floating mid-Atlantic. The official version though blamed on iced up pitot tubes that AF had been directed to replace over time (made by Thales from memory so perhaps a bit of French arrogance in there as to why they weren't replaced immediately), pilots completely misread speed, stalled the plane and plunged into the mid-Atlantic. Killing everyone. Eventually AF and French authorities get in there, locate the wreckage, lift it to the surface and take it away for investigation. Public hears no more. The plane may well have been blown apart mid flight. We will never know otherwise.

5 days later and MH 370 still has not been found in any way shape or form.

There has been a retired US Transport official interviewed a lot on Australian news to provide expert opinion. She is highly knowledgeable and her commentary has been worthwhile to listen to. However, I am always questioning what to believe. She has referred to other catastrophic incidents, including TWA 100 by implication - by referring to planes exploding mid-air due to exploding fuel vapours inside the fuel tank.

She talks about that with a completely straight face - yet those 1000 (approx) eye witness accounts of a flare like object being fired out of Long Island Sound, tailing the plane, then hitting it and blowing it to pieces still exist.
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Malaysia’s air force chief denies saying MH370 detected over Strait of Malacca

As the search for the missing flight MH370 continues for the fifth straight day, Malaysia's air force chief has denied saying military radar had tracked the lost passenger jet turning back and flying to the Strait of Malacca.

The pro-government Berita Harian daily had quoted General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud (pic) as saying military radar at the Butterworth air force base believed it was tracking the Boeing 777-200ER jet until it disappeared at 2.40am last Saturday.

"I wish to state that I did not make any such statements as above. What occurred was that the Berita Harian journalist asked me if such an incident occurred as detailed in their story. However, I did not give any answer to the question.

"Instead, what I said to the journalist was, 'Please refer to the statement which I made on 9 March 2014, during the press conference with the Chief of Defence Forces at the Sama-Sama Hotel, Kuala Lumpur International Airport'," the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) chief said in a statement late last night.

Hours after his statement was carried by the Malay daily, the Reuters news agency flashed a report quoting a military source as saying the RMAF had tracked the flight to the Strait of Malaccca which is one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

But Rodzali's statement has only covered the Malay daily's report and did not mention the Reuters report.

"I request this misreporting be amended and corrected to prevent further misinterpretations of what is clearly an inaccurate and incorrect report," he said in his six-paragraph statement.

The Malay daily reported the RMAF chief confirming that the RMAF Butterworth airbase had detected the location signal of the airliner as indicating that it turned back from its original heading in the direction of Kota Baru, Kelantan, and was believed to have passed through the airspace of the east coast of and northern peninsular Malaysia.

"The last time the plane was detected by the air control tower was in the vicinity of Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca at 2.40 in the morning before the signal disappeared without any trace," he was quoted as saying by Berita Harian.

Berita Harian's report remained on its news portal this morning.......

www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysias-air-force-chief-denies-saying-mh370-detected-over-malacca-strait
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Missing MH370: Fishermen discover life raft off Port Dickson

PORT DICKSON, Malaysia - A group of fishermen out at sea claimed to have found what looked like a life raft some 10 nautical miles off the resort town here.

They claimed to have discovered the life-raft object with the words "Boarding" printed on it at about noon on Tuesday.

Fisherman Azman Mohamad, 40, said they immediately notified the authorities upon making the discovery.

"We have been following the news of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight and were concerned if this could have been a life raft from the aircraft," he said, adding that a Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) vessel form Kuala Linggi in Malacca was immediately dispatched to the area.

Azman said the fishermen managed to secure the raft to their boat while waiting for the MMEA team.

However, the life raft had sunk when it was being handed over to the MMEA officials.

An MMEA official when contacted confirmed the report and said that investigations were under way.

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Thanks for the posts. The authorities are showing themselves to be way out of their depth and truly inept.

I was sent this by an American friend today. Photoshopped "iranians" travelling on the stolen passports.



Its even more obvious when they're shown on tv. The same skinny green jeans carrying the same bag over. The lower half of the one on the left is placed under the one on the right.
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Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: what we know – and what we don't
Confusion surrounds details of missing plane, with discrepancies over time and last position, and odd reference to Mario Balotelli

Finding missing aircraft can take days or months; unravelling what went wrong can take years. But accounts from Malaysian authorities and others involved in the search operation and investigation into flight MH370 have been particularly confusing and, in some cases, contradictory.

Who were the four passengers with suspect identities?
Only two are known to have been travelling on stolen passports. Both are thought to be Iranian, probably seeking asylum in Europe, Interpol's secretary general has said.

There was confusion earlier because the Malaysian home minister had described them as appearing to be Asian but was then contradicted by the civil aviation chief, who appeared to suggest that one of the men looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli. Most journalists present took that to mean that he was black, although the Ministry of Transportation later clarified that the civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, had been trying to emphasise that ethnicity did not indicate nationality.

The Malaysian transport and defence minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said this week that authorities were looking at two more possible cases of suspicious identities, telling reporters: "All the four names are with me."

Malaysian authorities have not given any further information since then. Chinese state media said one of the passport numbers on the manifest belonged to a man from Fujian, eastern China, who was safe and well – but a different name, also Chinese, was listed alongside the number. The man told police that his passport had not been lost or stolen.

What about people who checked in but did not board the flight?
On Monday, the civil aviation chief said five people checked in but did not board and their baggage was removed accordingly. On Tuesday, the inspector general of police said that everyone who was booked on to the flight had boarded - though he then contradicted himself by saying one person had missed the flight because they got the wrong day. Malaysia Airlines says that four people were booked but never checked in.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-missing-plane-balotelli
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Setting aside the photo shopping of the "iranians" (they'd have to be iranians or Russians at the moment wouldn't they?), the scenario of guys who look like that legitimately (so we're told) boarding planes on stolen passports which not only aren't checked against the interpol database, but also are taken to look like a Christian Kozel (Austrian) and a luigi maraldi (Italian) show how lax customs are for departing passengers.

Those names would be attributed to white European stock
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As yet, Unconfirmed....

Breaking: Body wearing lifejacket reported found off Malacca

The Beijing News has reported that a source claiming to be local volunteer assisting in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has found a dead body wearing a lifejacket in an area of the Malacca Strait. In a single-paragraph report, the website of the Chinese-language newspaper said that it was seeking to establish the reliability of the claim.

The unconfirmed report is said to have come via a new operations center established in Malacca after the search for the flight was expanded to both sides of the Malaysian peninsula in response to reports that the plane may have diverted from its planned course. The report was first passed to the center of operations for search and rescue efforts on Vietnam's Phu Quoc island.

The last contact with the plane placed it over the South China Sea on its scheduled course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The Boeing 777-200 with 239 people aboard took off early on the morning of March 8. It disappeared about an hour into the flight with no distress signal or message sent.

www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140312000154&cid=1103

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"It is confirmed that the body is not one of the passenger. Source is from our local news. www.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-mayat-ditemui-di-selat-melaka-bukan-penumpang-pesawat-yang-hilang-31732
Title: Body found off Malacca Strait is not one of the passengers of the missing plane.
KUALA LUMPUR: The body found off Malacca Strait early this morning is not one of the passengers from MAS airplane flight MH370 which until now is still missing after last contact/detected on last Saturday.
Indonesian Police confirmed the body as Abdi Sasmita, 54 years old, Desa Bangun Sari resident in Serdang, North Sumatera.
Meanwhile, Transportation Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein also confirmed that there is no body found so far.
"There is no body which is connected with MH370 found so far" he said at the press conference at Hotel Sama-Sama, here, today.
Hishamuddin also confirmed an object, a raft which was found by a group of fishermen at Port Dickson is not related to flight MH370.
He added, until now there is no clue found related to the Boeing 777-200 plane owned by MAS."

www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/207yvv/body_wearing_lifejacket_reported_found_off/
www.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-mayat-ditemui-di-selat-melaka-bukan-penumpang-pesawat-yang-hilang-31732
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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Last communication revealed

The last communication received from a Malaysia Airlines plane suggests everything was normal on board minutes before it went missing over the South China Sea, Malaysian authorities say.

Flight MH370 replied "All right, roger that" to a radio message from Malaysian air control, authorities said.

The search has been widened to waters off both sides of the peninsula.

Malaysia's air force chief has denied reports the plane was tracked to the Malacca Strait in the west.

The China-bound plane went missing on Saturday with 239 people on board.

It vanished about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, as it flew over the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula. No distress signal or message was sent.

'Confusing' information
Malaysian authorities revealed the plane's last communication at a news conference held in Beijing for relatives of the 154 Chinese who are among the missing passengers.

As the plane reached the boundary between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace, the Malaysian air control announced it was handing over to Ho Chi Minh City Control.

Minutes later, all contact with Flight MH370 was lost.

China's foreign ministry said there was "too much confusion" regarding the information released about the plane's flight path.

"It is very hard for us to decide whether a given piece of information is accurate," spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in Beijing......

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Satellite looking into missing Malaysia flight detects 'suspected crash area'

(CNN) -- A Chinese satellite looking into the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea," a Chinese government agency said -- a potentially pivotal lead into what has been a frustrating search for the Boeing 777.
China's State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense announced the discovery, including images of what it said were "three suspected floating objects and their sizes." The objects aren't small at 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters and 24 by 22 meters.
The images were captured on March 9 -- which was the day after the plane went missing -- but weren't released until Wednesday.

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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 12 Mar 2014 22:54 #18

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A New Zealand oil rigger says that he saw a plane come down in flames, and believes it to be missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

ABC reporter Bob Woodruff tweeted an image of a letter that has been sent by rigger Michael McKay saying he saw a plane burning "at altitude".

"I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right," he said.

"I tried to contact the Malaysian and Vietnam officials several days ago. But I do not know if the message has been received."

McKay said he was working on oil rig at Songa Mercur, south east of Vietnam.

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Michael McKay's letter to his employers.

"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10 to 15 seconds," he wrote.

"There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling), or going away from our location."

According to TVNZ, McKay's employers have said that the letter is not a hoax.

The revelation comes as the blame game continued between Malaysia and Chinese authorities over the "chaotic" search for the missing plane.

Malaysia denied Wednesday that the hunt for a missing jet was in disarray, after the search veered far from the planned route and China said that conflicting information about its course was "pretty chaotic".

Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Malaysia would "never give up hope" of finding the plane's 239 passengers and crew, dismissing allegations that efforts were mired in confusion after a series of false alarms, rumours and contradictory statements.

"I don't think so. It's far from it. It's only confusion if you want it to be seen as confusion," he said at a press conference, where military and civilian officials faced a grilling from a combative crowd of journalists.

"I think it's not a matter of chaos. There are a lot of speculations (sic) that we have answered in the last few days," he said.

The hunt for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 now encompasses nearly 27,000 nautical miles (over 90,000 square kilometres) -- roughly the size of Portugal -- and involves the navies and air forces of multiple nations.

Search and rescue officials have widened their search area after evidence suggested the plane veered off course. Photo: AP

The search focus had been on an area off Vietnam's South China Sea coast, where it last made contact Saturday on a journey from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But Malaysian authorities said Wednesday they were expanding it to the Andaman Sea, north of Indonesia, hundreds of miles away.

"So right now there is a lot of information, and it's pretty chaotic, so up to this point we too have had difficulty confirming whether it is accurate or not," China's foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said of accounts of the jet's course. There were 153 Chinese nationals on the flight.

- Mystery object -

India's coastguard joined the aerial search off the remote Andaman and Nicobar Islands Wednesday and the Indian Air Force was put on standby.

Malaysian air force chief General Rodzali Daud attempted to explain why the search zone had been expanded, telling the press conference that military radar detected an unidentified object early Saturday north of the Malacca Strait off Malaysia's west coast.

He said that the reading, taken less than an hour after the plane lost contact over the South China Sea, was still being investigated and they were not able to confirm it was MH370.

The confusion has fuelled perceptions that Malaysian authorities are unable to handle a crisis on this scale, and infuriated relatives.

Analysts said there were burning questions over what information -- if any -- Malaysia has gleaned from both military and civilian radar, and the Boeing 777's transponders, and over discounted reports it was later detected near Indonesia.

"It's bad enough for a wide-body jet to go missing with 239 people on board, but then for the responsible country's government and aviation agencies to handle the associated information with total incompetence is unforgivable," said David Learmount from industry magazine Flightglobal.

People leave messages of support for the passengers and crew of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

"There are so many information sources that do not appear to have been used effectively in this case. As a result the families of the missing passengers and crew are being kept in the dark," said Learmount, Flightglobal's operations and safety editor.

One new detail did emerge - the words of MH370's final radio transmission.

Malaysia's ambassador to China, Iskandar Sarudin, said one of the pilots said "alright, good night" as the flight switched from Malaysian to Vietnamese airspace, according to Singapore's Straits Times newspaper.

Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, Malaysia's civil aviation chief, later confirmed to AFP that those were the last words from the cockpit.

Frustrations boiled over in Malaysia, with the country's active social media and some press outlets turning from sympathy for the families of relatives to anger over the fruitless search.

"The mood among Malaysians now is moving from patience... to embarrassment and anger over discrepancies about passengers, offloaded baggage and concealed information about its last known position," Malaysian Insider, a leading news portal, said in a commentary.

Twitter users took aim at the web of contradictory information that has fuelled conspiracy theories.

"If the Malaysian military did not see MH370 turn toward the Malacca Strait, then why the search? Who decided to look there and why?" one comment said.

The anger was compounded by a report aired on Australian television of a past cockpit security breach involving the co-pilot of the missing jet.

Malaysia Airlines said it was "shocked" over allegations that First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, along with a fellow pilot violated airline rules in 2011 by allowing two young South African women into their cockpit during a flight.

Vietnam initially suspended its air and sea search Wednesday as it waited for Malaysia to clarify the new direction of the hunt.

Army deputy chief of staff Vo Van Tuan told AFP that after Malaysia had denied reports the plane was picked up on radar in the Malacca Strait "we decided to send two aircrafts."
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MH 370: a modern day Philadelphia Experiment 13 Mar 2014 13:37 #20

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Reminds me very much of AF 447 and I never bought their story.
AF 447 was found though within 2 days. It's tail floating mid-Atlantic. The official version though blamed on iced up pitot tubes that AF had been directed to replace over time (made by Thales from memory so perhaps a bit of French arrogance in there as to why they weren't replaced immediately), pilots completely misread speed, stalled the plane and plunged into the mid-Atlantic. Killing everyone. Eventually AF and French authorities get in there, locate the wreckage, lift it to the surface and take it away for investigation. Public hears no more. The plane may well have been blown apart mid flight. We will never know otherwise.

5 days later and MH 370 still has not been found in any way shape or form.

There has been a retired US Transport official interviewed a lot on Australian news to provide expert opinion. She is highly knowledgeable and her commentary has been worthwhile to listen to. However, I am always questioning what to believe. She has referred to other catastrophic incidents, including TWA 100 by implication - by referring to planes exploding mid-air due to exploding fuel vapours inside the fuel tank.

She talks about that with a completely straight face - yet those 1000 (approx) eye witness accounts of a flare like object being fired out of Long Island Sound, tailing the plane, then hitting it and blowing it to pieces still exist.



The truth about AF 447 was never exposed!
Remember the passenger list!!!
I still think they threw parts into the sea to have some debries photos for the media.
Same/similar will happen here. Constructed evidence.
They are also testing what the public is willing to swallow and how blog communities react.



3 - 12 February 2014



The second session of the 12th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), the national advisory body, opens at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, capital of China, March 3, 2014.

www.cppcc.gov.cn/zxww/2014/03/12/ARTI1394590277869470.shtml

Blackwater and IDF acting as "peaceful demonstrators" killing Ukrainians, inciting revolution/putsch.
Rumours of Ukrainian gold being flown out of the country. Now rumours that this gold might have been on its way to Beijing ...
Sounds weird, but nothing ever tops the msm-farces.

AF 447, MH 370 and the Polish plane with the twin to me were no accidents.

The plane crash which led to the death of the entire Polish government and banking leaders was staged and then a Russian/Polish hit team descended on the scene to kill the survivors before the first responders could arrive. Do you want to see what a bankster regime change looks and sounds like. Take a look at this video which keeps being taken down and then reappearing. I would suggest saving this video on your desktop.
thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/09/the-grand-chess-board-of-world-war-iii/
"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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