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TOPIC: White Genocide

White Genocide 29 Dec 2018 18:30 #1241

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Finally, Europeans Make Ballet Shoes For Brown Skin



It took 200 years of oppressive Eurocentric ballet shoe shade bigotry. Why didn't Europeans think of this when they invented ballet?
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BABIES of WALMART (2019) 01 Feb 2019 19:08 #1243

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BABIES of WALMART (2019)
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Why the Left Loves Mass Immigration - Oppressed Media 28 Feb 2019 15:08 #1245

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Why the Left Loves Mass Immigration - Oppressed Media
Examining the motives behind current immigration policies of America and Europe.
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THIS IS WHY SO MANY TEACHERS ARE COMMIES. THEIR READING MATERIAL IS FROM SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER

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White Genocide 10 Mar 2019 15:16 #1248

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I am going to make a guess that that guy^^^E. Michael Jones^^^...is a Jesuit....spiritual deceiver.
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annabelle wrote:
I am going to make a guess that that guy^^^E. Michael Jones^^^...is a Jesuit....spiritual deceiver.
I follow E. Michael Jones on YT and even though I haven't watched many of his videos i have no reason to believe he's a "Jesuit" or a "spiritual deceiver" whatever that means. So can you back up your suspicions with facts/sources, and can you remind us why Jesuits are bad?
Yeah, I know there's a lot of talk about "Jesuits" being the root of all evil in certain truther places. But why should I believe them, maybe it's just another deception, or a controlled op to keep me away from the truth.
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I think Mr Jones is a trad catholic - not aligned to Vatican 2.


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I think Mr Jones is a trad catholic - not aligned to Vatican 2.
That's my take too
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Rabbi Admits that White Genocide is the Goal


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'Prophecies' that they MAKE happen.
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The rabbi in above video refers to the west as Edom.

Question:

I have a vague notion of hearing in various places that America or Western culture in general is Edom and that this final exile is called Galus Edom. Also as in reference to the blessings in Genesis 27, when one is in power (Esau) the other (Jacob) isn't. Anyway, is Western culture considered Edom?

If so, why them (when Europeans existed during the time of the Kingdom of Edom) and not whoever still lives in southern Jordan (where the Kingdom of Edom actually was)?

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Edom is considered by the Rabbis to be the Roman Empire, and while contemporary Western culture isn't Roman per se, it is directly descended from Roman culture and ideas.

Such comparisons are also scattered across the Gemarah.

And know that Edom mentioned in the Torah and other holy books {of Tanach} refers to the nation which dwells between the Reed Sea and the Dead Sea. And all of the days the First Temple stood, and the Second {Temple}, the only one called Edom were the actual descendants of Esav.

However, after the destruction of the {second} Temple, the Jews began to call the kingdom of Rome by the name Edom.

And this was because in general, the Edomites tormented Israel, and therefore the name Edom was hated and detested by us. And specifically, after Herod reigned, who was an Edomite, who was very bad to Israel. And when the Temple was destroyed at the hands of the Romans, the hatred of the Jews passed from Edom to Rome (and Europeans by extension). Therefore (and also because of fear), they nicknamed Rome with the name Edom.

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Esau the Ancestor of Rome (Jewish article)

In the Bible, Esau is the ancestor of the Edomites who live on Mount Seir, southwest of Judah. So how did the rabbis come to associate Esau and Edom with Rome? Two main factors are at work here: Christianity and Herod.

Esau and Jacob: Sibling Rivalry

The Torah describes how Isaac and Rebekah’s twin sons, Jacob and Esau, battle each other in their mother’s womb:

Gen 25:22 The children struggled in her womb… 25:23 and YHWH said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, two separate peoples shall issue from your body; one people shall be mightier than the other, and the older shall serve the younger.”

This battle in the womb continues through their birth:

25:24 When her time to give birth was at hand, there were twins in her womb. 25:25 The first one emerged red, like a hairy mantle all over, and they named him Esau. 25:26 Then his brother emerged, holding on to the heel of Esau, and they named him Jacob….

As Jacob and Esau grow up, their competition continues. Esau is a hunter while Jacob is a tent-dweller, and one day, when Esau returns from a hunt, Jacob convinces his exhausted brother to sell him his birthright for a pot of stew. In a later story, Jacob finally overtakes his older twin, when he tricks their elderly, blind father Isaac into blessing him with Esau’s blessing (27:29).

This leaves Esau with the “blessing” of subservience to his younger brother (27:40). Esau is furious at his brother’s trick, and Jacob runs away to Haran to escape Esau’s wrath. When Jacob returns twenty years later, the brothers reconcile (Gen 33). Even so, in the end, the brothers go their separate ways, with Jacob staying in Canaan and Esau moving to Seir, in the southern Transjordan:

Gen 36:6 Esau took his wives, his sons and daughters, and all the members of his household, his cattle and all his livestock, and all the property that he had acquired in the land of Canaan and went to another land because of his brother Jacob…. 36:8 So Esau settled in the hill country of Seir—Esau being Edom.

Although the texts about Jacob and Esau are ostensibly speaking about individuals, each brother represents an ethnic and/or political group that resided in the Levant in biblical times. The physical description of Esau, as red (adom) and covered in hair (se’ar) foreshadows his future as the founder of the Edomites who live near Mount Seir.[1]

Israel and Edom: The Historical Connection

The biblical text explains that the two groups, Israel (=Jacob) and Edom (=Esau), are “brothers.” The Edomites are the older group, which the Bible confirms in a number of texts that describe Edom having a kingdom before the Israelites do (Gen 36:31-39, Num 20:14-21, Deut 2:2-8). Nevertheless, Israel will rule over Edom; this occurs with David’s conquest (2 Sam 8:14, 1 Kgs 11:15-16) and lasts until Edom rebelled and won independence during the reign of King Jehoram of Judah (2 Kgs 8:20-22).

Judea and Idumea in Second Temple Times

After the destruction of Judah in 586, the Edomites, who sided with the Babylonians in their conquest (Ps 137:7), expanded their territorial holdings westward, all the way to Ashkelon, settling in much of what was once southern Judah (including Hebron).[2] When the Judahites began to return in the late 6th century B.C.E., the Edomites were entrenched in the south and antagonism between the groups was heated.

Centuries later, when the Maccabees rebelled against the Syrian Greeks in 167 B.C.E., the Judeans also took their fight to the Idumeans (1 Macc. 5:65; NETS with adjustments):

And Judah and his brothers went out and made war on the sons of Esau in the land to the south. And he struck Hebron and its daughters and tore down its fortresses and burned the towers all around it.

After the establishment of Judea as an independent polity, the Hasmonean high priest John Hyrcanus (134-104 B.C.E.) conquered the Idumeans and forced them to convert to Judaism (Josephus, Ant. 13:9). Thus, for the second time, Jacob ruled Esau.

Edom and Rome

The rabbis consider Jacob to be the ancestor of the Jews. But instead of saying that Esau is the ancestor of Christianity, they describe him as the ancestor of Rome. The earliest example of this connection in rabbinic literature appears in the Jerusalem Talmud (4th/5th century C.E.), glossing the scene in which Jacob dons furry goat skins to pretend to be his hairy brother Esau, and Isaac, who can no longer see in his old age, grows perplexed:

בראשית כז:כב וַיִּגַּשׁ יַעֲקֹב אֶל יִצְחָק אָבִיו וַיְמֻשֵּׁהוּ וַיֹּאמֶר הַקֹּל קוֹל יַעֲקֹב וְהַיָּדַיִם יְדֵי עֵשָׂו.

Gen 27:22 So Jacob drew close to his father Isaac, who felt him and wondered. “The voice is the voice of Jacob, yet the hands are the hands of Esau.”

The Jerusalem Talmud suggests that Isaac’s statement alludes to the pain that Esau’s descendants will cause Jacob’s descendants (j. Ta’anit 4:8, 68d):

תני אמר רבי יהודה בי רבי אלעאי ברוך רבי היה דורש הקול קול יעקב והידים ידי עשו קולו של יעקב צווח ממה שעשו לו ידיו של עשו בביתר

It was taught: Rabbi Yehudah bei Rabbi Ilai Baruch said: “Rabbi [Yehudah HaNasi] used to offer this homily: ‘The voice is the voice of Jacob but the hands are the hands of Esau’ (Gen 27:22): The voice is the voice of Jacob crying out because of what the hands of Esau did to him at Beitar.”

This passage refers to the catastrophic conflict between Rome and the people of Judea which took place in 132–135 C.E., popularly known as the Bar Kokhba rebellion after the Jewish leader, Simeon Bar Kokhba.

This war resulted in the Romans razing Jerusalem to the ground, and the destruction of the city of Beitar, where the Romans believed leaders of the rebellion were stationed. In referencing Beitar’s destruction, this Talmudic legend clearly associates the Roman Empire with Esau, and presents Jews and Romans as eternal antagonists.

Hadrian King of Edom

Midrash Tanchuma (mid 1st millennium C.E.) takes this a step further, and connects Edom with the Emperor Hadrian, who put down the Bar Kokhba revolt (Warsaw ed., Bereishit 7):

אנדריאנוס מלך אדום כיון שכבש את העולם כולו הלך לו לרומי אמר לבני פלטרין שלו מבקש אני מכם שתעשו אותי אלוה שהרי כבשתי את כל העולם אמרו לו עדיין לא שלטת בעירו ובביתו, הלך והספיקו בידו והחריב בית המקדש והגלה את ישראל וחזר לרומי, אמר להם כבר החרבתי ביתו ושרפתי היכלו והגל[ת]י עמו עשו אותי אלוה.

After Hadrian, king of Edom conquered the world, he returned to Rome and said to his officers: “I want you to make me a god, since I have conquered the world.” They said to him: “But you have not yet established your rule over his (God’s) city and his house.” He went, succeeded, destroyed the Temple, exiled Israel, and returned to Rome. He said to them: “I have now destroyed his house and burned his Temple and exiled his people. Make me a god.”

Tanchuma here conflates the Great Rebellion against Rome, which led to the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E., with the Bar Kokhba Rebellion sixty years later, and thus makes Hadrian—not Vespasian or Titus—the destroyer of the Temple.

Hadrian’s subordinates in this story see the “real” battle in this world as one between Rome and Judah, i.e., between Esau and Jacob.

A midrash, found in Genesis Rabbah (mid-first millennium C.E.), also connects Emperor Hadrian with Esau (Gen. Rab. 63:7, Theodor-Albeck ed.):

שני גוים בבטנך שני גאי גוים בבטנך זה מתגאה בעולמו [וזה מתגאה בעולמו, זה מתגאה במלכותו][6] וזה מתגאה במלכותו,

“Two nations (goyim) are in your womb” – Two proud (geyim) nations are in your womb,[7] this one is proud of his world [and that one is proud of his world; this one is proud of his kingdom] and that one is proud of his kingdom.

שני גיאי גוים בבטנך אדריינוס באומות ושלמה בישראל,

Two prides of their nations are in your womb – Hadrian amongst the gentiles and Solomon amongst the Israelites.

This midrash identifies the two nations in Rebekah’s womb with Solomon (10th cent. B.C.E.) and Hadrian (2nd cent. C.E.), two great rulers of Rome and Israel respectively. These two rulers were not contemporaries, of course, but each represents his respective kingdom at its most expanded, powerful moment.

the metaphor of Rome as Esau was not limited to Hadrian or even to Romans who antagonized the rabbis. Even those Roman officials who were beloved by the rabbis are still spoken of as descendants of Esau in rabbinic literature.

Herod and the Origins of the Edom-Rome Connection

Why do the Rabbis associate Rome, a powerful city in Italy which ruled the entire Mediterranean world from the late 1st cent. B.C.E. to the late 5th cent. C.E., with Edom, a small province southeast of Judea, which didn’t even rule itself? The connection likely derives from historical events associated with Herod the Great.

In the late second century B.C.E., John Hyrcanus conquered Idumea, making it a part of Judea, and forced its inhabitants to become Jewish. Eventually, one Idumean convert named Antipater succeeded in becoming an important advisor to the high priest Hyrcanus (grandson of John Hyrcanus). Later, Antipater’s own son, Herod, married into this priestly family and became king of Judea.

Herod had strong ties with Roman officials, and a deep-seated ambition to rise in the ranks of Roman government. He was notoriously capricious, killing off all surviving members of the Hasmonean family who presented potential royal competition.

(Herod consciously undertook to Hellenize, to copy the great culture of Greece, in every aspect of life in his kingdom. Officials were given the titles and functions of royal ministers elsewhere, and non-Jews were given many of the highest posts.

Herod also brought his kingdom considerable prosperity. He stabilized the economy and reduced taxes. He encouraged trade and built the splendid port city of Caesarea. His city building had the further purpose of increasing Hellenization, for many of his cities, like Caesarea and Samaria, rebuilt and renamed Sebaste,, were intentionally Hellenistic rather than Jewish, even to the extent of having a mostly non-Jewish population. www.notablebiographies.com/He-Ho/Herod-the-Great.html)

Under Herod, Judea was a client state of Rome, maintaining a loose form of independence. This status of client state dissolved shortly after Herod’s death in 4 B.C.E., when Judea was incorporated into the Empire in 6 C.E.[9] But Herod’s reputation as a cruel tyrant endured in rabbinic texts, and the rabbis associated the tragedy of the Roman takeover of Judea directly with Herod.

Herod as “Roman”

Despite his official status as a Jewish descendant of converts, for the Rabbis, Herod was not a Jew, but the archetypal Roman, who occupied Jewish land, imposed his values upon the populace by force, and ruthlessly killed his enemies.[10] The rabbis detested him, associating him with other unstable rulers whose cruelty would become the hallmark of their ruling governments, such as Caligula and Nero.

Many Jews thought of Herod as being in league with Rome.

The Rabbis’ knowledge of Herod’s Idumean ancestry made it natural to connect this “Roman” ruler, and by extension, Romans in general, with the people of Edom. And since Rome was the great power in the region throughout the rabbinic period, and the Romans destroyed the Temple and the polity of Judea, they applied the “us-them” narrative of Esau and Jacob to the us-them reality of Rome and the Jews.

The complex relationship that Israel had with Edom in the Hebrew Bible correlated well with the complex relationship that the Jews in the early rabbinic period had with Rome: while some Jews admired aspects of Roman culture, other Jews saw Rome as a powerful, looming force that had the potential to cause massive destruction to the Jewish community. Most Jews probably held both views, admiring Roman culture but fearing it at the same time.

Reversing the Christian Esau-Jacob Metaphor

During Herod’s time, and on through the destruction of the Temple and the putting down of the Bar Kokhba rebellion, Rome was polytheistic, worshipping Jupiter and other Roman deities. When the rabbis were writing their midrashim about Rome being Edom, however, Rome was already Christian. Moreover, Paul’s allegory and its application to Jews would likely have been familiar to the rabbis both in Israel and Babylon, who lived amongst Christians.

It would seem that part of the rabbinic identification of Rome with Esau was in response to the Christian claim that Esau is the spiritual ancestor of the Jews. In other words, although the rabbis explicitly connect Esau with pagan Rome, referring to Hadrian and Antoninus, the destruction of the Temple, and the quashed Bar Kokhba rebellion, they likely have Christian Rome in mind as well.

Once the Roman Empire legalized Christianity in the fourth century and adopted Christianity as its official religion, Edom became a cipher not just for the political entity Rome, but for the religious entity Christianity. Such an understanding of Esau and Edom would have been a particularly sharp and effective polemical counter-reading to that of Paul and the Church Fathers.

When Genesis Rabbah quotes the verse that “God hates Esau,” immediately following the midrash that the prophecy about Esau refers to Emperor Hadrian, the rabbinic authors are polemicizing against Paul’s use of this same verse in Romans.

God hates Esau means that God hates Romans, and by extension, the rabbis are saying that the verse means that God hates Christians. Again, even though Hadrian lived before Rome became Christian and was not himself a Christian, Jewish readers of Genesis Rabbah know what Rome symbolizes.

This implicit polemic eventually becomes explicit in the medieval Jewish commentators, who use Edom as a cipher for Christianity without the veneer of Pagan Rome.

…והטעם על הגזרה שגזר על אדום, וזאת היא מלכות רומא וקוסטנטינא, ונקראו אדומים בעבור שנכנסו בתורת אדום, וזאת התורה נקראה על שם אדום, שהאדומיים האמינו בתחילה בתורת האיש הידוע:

…And the reason is because of the decree he made against Edom—this is a reference to Rome and Constantinople. And they are called Edomites because they joined with the teachings of Edom (Christianity). And this teaching is called “Edomite” because the Idumeans were the first to believe in the teachings of the well-known man (Jesus).

Putting aside his dubious historical claim about early Idumean embracing of Christianity, ibn Ezra’s point is that “Edomite” is first and foremost a cipher for the “Christian” religion and only by extension a reference to Rome, who adopted this religion.

Article written by:


Dr. Malka Simkovich the Crown-Ryan Chair of Jewish Studies and director of the Catholic-Jewish Studies program at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago. She earned a doctoral degree in Second Temple and Rabbinic Judaism from Brandeis University and a Masters degree in Hebrew Bible from Harvard University. Malka’s articles have been published in Harvard Theological Review and the Journal for the Study of Judaism, and her book, The Making of Jewish Universalism: From Exile to Alexandria was published in 2016. Her second book, Discovering Second Temple Literature: The Scriptures and Stories That Shaped Early Judaism, was published by the Jewish Publication Society in November 2018.

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So, if I am not incorrect, rabbinic Jews blame Edomites for the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (by Titus' army) and the 'tormenting of Israel'.

King Herod was an 'edomite', viewed not as a Jew but as the archetypal Roman.

Antipater I the Idumaean (died 43 BC) was the founder of the Herodian Dynasty and father of Herod the Great.

(Though historians understand that Antipater's family converted to Judaism in the second century BC, different stories had circulated in the wake of his sons coming to power.

They demonstrate the tensions that existed between the Jewish people and the powerful Idumaeans who appear at this time.

Nicolaus of Damascus, the court historian for Herod, wrote that Herod's ancestors were among the historical elite in Jerusalem who had been taken by King Nebuchadnezzar into Babylonian captivity in the sixth century BC.

Josephus explains that Antipater's family converted to Judaism during the forced conversions by the Sadducee-influenced Hasmonean leader John Hyrcanus.

Hyrcanus threatened that any Idumeaan who wished to maintain their land would need to be circumcised and enter into the traditions of the Jews.

Josephus acknowledges Herod as being "by birth a Jew" and Antipater as being "of the same people" with the Jews. Nevertheless, this influential family came to be resented by many Jews for their Edomite ancestry, a fact used by the Hasmoneans and their supporters against them.

As such, in a polemic against Herod to discredit him in the eyes of the Romans as unfit to become king of the Jews, Antigonus the Hasmonean is quoted by Josephus as referring to Herod as "no more than a private man, and an Idumean, i.e. a half Jew".

The pro-Roman politics of Antipater led to his increasing unpopularity among the non-Hellenized Jews. He died by poison.)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipater_the_Idumaean

Rabbis consider Rome (and by extension Europeans) to be Edom even though the kingdom of Edom existed historically, in ancient times, in southern Jordan.

'Edom' is hated and detested by Jews and referred to by rabbinic Jews as 'the west' since 'the west' is thought of as being directly descended from the culture and ideas of the historical Roman Empire.

Esau being Edom is viewed by Jews as the ancestor of the Roman Empire. The Jerusalem Talmud refers to this connection multiple times and presents Jews and Romans as ETERNAL antagonists.

There were early Christian claims that Esau is the spiritual ancestor of the Jews, which angered them to no end.

Once the Roman Empire legalized Christianity and adopted it as it's official religion, Edom became a cipher not just for the political entity of Rome but also for the religious entity of Christianity.

Rabbinic sources state that God hates Romans 'Edom' (which would include present day Europeans and the west whose culture and ideas are directly descended from Rome) and by extension, Christians.
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