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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 17 Jul 2014 20:44 #1641

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I understand the AH thing will inevitably be discussed here, though the entire thread became a debate about AH so thats why those posts were moved as it became a debate in itself. :up:

You succeeded in putting posts in that split off thread that were created by me.

I can attest that the concentration camp photos I was talking about did not have Adolf Hitler in them...

Shurly shome mishkate?

I may have moved more posts than i should have by accident yes. I'll take a look or tell me the post number(s) in that thread and it can be moved back.

EDIT: i moved some posts back.
1365 = 1

1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 17 Jul 2014 21:11 #1642

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Deanna’s guest today was Rodney Martin, the director of World View Foundations. Due to listener’s interest and requests, today’s broadcast was about the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and the Reichstag. (MP3)
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 12:19 #1643

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Friday wrote:
sorry Zorro - didn't intend to derail your thread - it's connected only in as much - had Tesla been treated fairly perhaps neither of the WW's would have happened - but I doubt it , once the FED was installed.
I have to go on record as agreeing with you - putting AH into it's own thread detracts from the depth and scope of this one.
(sorry Nov- ;) )

I think it had more relevance than the post about UFOs...

And if only Tesla's view had prevailed...
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 12:24 #1644

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Avacyn wrote:

I think it had more relevance than the post about UFOs...

And if only Tesla's view had prevailed...

Can you explain me how this disc thing("Haunebu II") flies, they landed at the aerial museum in Merseburg?

I see no propellers or jet engine on the outside, it wouldn't be stable flight with these engines.
Only the ignorant brush over this.

These photos are no fake, but pose a serious problem to conventional history narrative.
Somebody please explain how George Adamski came up with photos of a German "Venusian" disc design?
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 12:30 #1645

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Its times like these i wish dogsmilk was here :D :joker:
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 12:48 #1646

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Oracle wrote:
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I think it had more relevance than the post about UFOs...

And if only Tesla's view had prevailed...

Can you explain me how this disc thing("Haunebu II") flies, they landed at the aerial museum in Merseburg?

I see no propellers or jet engine on the outside, it wouldn't be stable flight with these engines.
Only the ignorant brush over this.

These photos are no fake, but pose a serious problem to conventional history narrative.

So... you are saying that Hitler, at the end of WW2 had been fighting the Allies with Messerschmitt Me 262 and UFOs?

Were the Nazis also designing the Death Star, and Lucas was making a Jewish joke with Star Wars?

Now I have a picture of Messerschmitt Me 262s and UFOs sflying forwards to take on the Allies, to the theme from Independance Day...
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 12:50 #1647

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Avacyn wrote:
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Avacyn wrote:

I think it had more relevance than the post about UFOs...

And if only Tesla's view had prevailed...

Can you explain me how this disc thing("Haunebu II") flies, they landed at the aerial museum in Merseburg?

I see no propellers or jet engine on the outside, it wouldn't be stable flight with these engines.
Only the ignorant brush over this.

These photos are no fake, but pose a serious problem to conventional history narrative.

So... you are saying that Hitler, at the end of WW2 had been fighting the Allies with Messerschmitt Me 262 and UFOs?

Were the Nazis also designing the Death Star, and Lucas was making a Jewish joke with Star Wars?

Now I have a picture of Messerschmitt Me 262s and UFOs sflying forwards to take on the Allies, to the theme from Independance Day...

Actually, your entire premiss of these questions sounds trollish, sorry. I heve never trusted you, no matter you fiddle with your avatar.

I ask:
1. how did this disc fly in Merseburg? What propulsion?
2. how did Adamski come up with German disc design photos?

3. Bonus question to get to your film nonsense:
Why do Star trek often have references to "New Berlin" on the moon? And tons of other Hollyhoax series and movies secretly put out hints? Could it be that the masses won't recognize the hints even if it bites them in the bum?
Why did the Stargate series find something down Antarctica?
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 15:46 #1648

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Most sci -fi is predictive programming - the military had the internet and cell phones 50 yrs before they gave it to us -- they used 'voice to skull ' microwave beams in the 50's - i wonder how many suffered back then ( as many do today with electronic harassment) in mental institutions?
But I draw the line at Moon bases or that they had anti - gravity ( I'm still not totally convinced we have it ) ......if AH really flew off in any circular craft to Antarctica - into hollow earth I presume - I'll throw in the towel and call the last 8 yrs a waste of time. In my books No one is on the moon or mars .
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 16:21 #1649

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Most sci -fi is predictive programming - the military had the internet and cell phones 50 yrs before they gave it to us -- they used 'voice to skull ' microwave beams in the 50's - i wonder how many suffered back then ( as many do today with electronic harassment) in mental institutions?
But I draw the line at Moon bases or that they had anti - gravity ( I'm still not totally convinced we have it ) ......if AH really flew off in any circular craft to Antarctica - into hollow earth I presume - I'll throw in the towel and call the last 8 yrs a waste of time. In my books No one is on the moon or mars .

I think you people focus way too much on Hitler.
The war has been going on without him, that's the point.
The UN are certainly a hypocrite useless bunch, but they simply don't forget to repeal the enemy state clause.
It has a reason it is still in UN charter. That is no coincidence or a case of "oops, sorry, we forgot about it"

I personally wouldn't bet my life on empty solar system except earth. Note, I consider "ET" human looking, they could walk amongst us and we wouldn't notice. What's the ting with the national security state in US since 1947? Why? In the same year Roswell allegedly happened and Byrd went to Antarctica, just to run away with his strike force. Something doesn't add up, but most people overlook that.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 22:38 #1650

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This is from a local news.
One would think that this would spark interest in many circles, but no, even google doesn't find it, and some US copyright BS censors one result.
Official narrative denies the existence of German disc projects,yet its the most often used model for "alien UFO" in film and TV.
UFO landed in Merseburg

What looked like a scene from a Hollywood science fiction film, was the historic landing of the aircraft engine Haunebu 2, which came from the airport Waldpolenz and landed on the grounds of the Aviation and Technology Museum Merseburg in Saalekreis .

This historic aircraft is also known as Reichsflugscheibe (flying disc) or circular plane or fireball, discus, Haunebu, Hauneburg device VRIL, ball lightning, bell, or Repulsator Andromeda device.

The "bells" are saucer-shaped aircraft and space vehicles that appear in science fiction films, comic books and conspiracy theories, and to have been built according to this in the Nazi Reich and tested. Historically and technically there is no evidence, however, the subject appears in the pseudo-scientific literature as an example of "Nazi technology" occasionally.

For more information, visit:

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsflugscheibe








Note of the museum:

We ask that visitors comply with the security measures taken and reside in the restricted areas to observe only!

More flights are planned over the next few days - and the TV crew Treuter of the open channel www.okmq.de document it.

Heiko Baumgarten
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Kastanienpromenade 50
06217 Merseburg
Tel. 03461 525776
Fax 03461 525778
www.luftfahrt-technik-museum.de

www.halle-saalekreis-netzwerk.de/ufo-in-merseburg-gelandet

Its btw an old timer, you know, the thing George Admaski saw, newer ones look different. :chuckle:




No SEK (swat) to prevent them from showing prohibited signs on this flying object?
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 22:49 #1651

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No SEK (swat) to prevent them from showing prohibited signs on this flying object?

I think it from BW. Same insignia as on a BW Typhoon.
BW pilots know about the old Haunabu.

What surprises me, that the description by the museum dude is contradictory. Officially, they never existed, yet we have a documented landing of this old timer, as if it was the most normal thing in the last 70 years.
Patton had task to capture the research in Bohemia(Skoda), Bavaria(BMW), Saxony and Thuringia(both Uranium...), Silesia and Peenemünde got the Soviets.

Museum @Peenemümde

Haunebu III

www.peenemuende.de/index.php?id=106

You can see in the background a photo of the "Fliegenfänger" of Ludwigsdorf(Silesia)

Yes people, there so much more they don't tell you.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 22:54 #1652

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And Jonastal is still heavily protected by US/UK/RU military.
They can't get what they want :coolio: but nobody else is allowed to go there and do research.


I once did a RV session, just for fun, with a RV trainer and years later I found what I "saw" exactly described in this book:
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 18 Jul 2014 23:06 #1653

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And Jonastal is still heavily protected by US/UK/RU military.
They can't get what they want :coolio: but nobody else is allowed to go there and do research.


I once did a RV session, just for fun, with a RV trainer and years later I found what I "saw" exactly described in this book:
de.scribd.com/doc/76437707/Axel-Dorr-Tief-im-Herzen-von-S-III

Multiple reasons for that.
Researchers would find out what the camp "Ohrdruf Nord" was really for, and what the inmates really worked on, and what the hell the invading americans observed in Jonastal. :cool2:
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 11:29 #1654

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sorry Zorro - didn't intend to derail your thread - it's connected only in as much - had Tesla been treated fairly perhaps neither of the WW's would have happened - but I doubt it , once the FED was installed.
I have to go on record as agreeing with you - putting AH into it's own thread detracts from the depth and scope of this one.
(sorry Nov- ;) )

Not a problem friday, you can post what you like in the thread, because I trust 100% that you're not here to steer people away from the facts or disrupt/derail the thread. A few peeps were over-reacting and getting their knickers in a twist over me calling it ''my thread''. My philosophy has never changed towards people who get on their high horse over trivial matters, or people that deliberately try and misrepresent others. Let them carry on as they please, there's no point trying to reason with such people. Obviously I meant what I said inasmuch as I feel it's my responsibility to try and keep the thread as factual as possible, without it being constantly spammed by all the usual ''Hitler was a Rothschild agent'' garbage, or whatever else. I've always said the onus should be on the host of a thread to keep it on the straight and narrow.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 11:35 #1655

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Mod Note: Posts about AH have been moved to a stand alone thread on that topic.

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I'm not going to have anything to do with that thread, I will leave them to it and will continue to post anything I think is relevant in this thread nov. You can't have a discussion on WWII without AH being discussed from time to time.

Obviously I meant it being ''my thread'' in as much as it being me being the host, therefore I view it as my responsibility to oversee it, and speak out when I feel there's a number of people here that aren't interested in the truth, they're just repeating David Icke-esque garbage re AH. They can call me what they like or view it as they will by me sayiong it's my thread. I'll leave them too it, and can't be bothered with all the in-fighting. Cheers nov.

Thank you Zorro your your patience with my ignorance. It is appreciated. Pity about the... well, them. You get what I'm talking about...

Don't mention it. It's always fairly easy to spot those who have no intention of learning anything, and those who insist on repeating the same old nonsense over and over again. Well at least now they have their own thread to post it to their hearts content.

Edit: F**k it, I've changed my mind, I may just bombard their thread with some uncomfortable facts. :larf:
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 11:35 #1656

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Actually, your entire premiss of these questions sounds trollish, sorry. I heve never trusted you, no matter you fiddle with your avatar.

Um... do I have to trust you? No. Trust is earned, not given away. And interesting comment about my avatar...

I looked at your Wikipedia article link. Thenm went and pulled up the English translation, because I have no reading ability in German.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

Looking at the article, I understood your comments on Antarctica. I ask: How could the Third Reich, at the end of the war, crumbling into the dust, manage to support a base in Antarctica? This is important, because such a base would need to aquire a large amount of resource to survive the war.

Also, it would mean that these craft could survive weather and temperature worse than during the battles at Stalingrad. How feasable would that be? Forget propulsion... You are looking at something that would need to cope with such harsh conditions...

Also, how could the Nazis have managed to transport - in secret - all the materials and equipment needed to build and maintain such a base?

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I ask:
1. how did this disc fly in Merseburg? What propulsion?

More importantly... how many crew could pilot it? Look at the photos, and it is clear that it is too small to fit a single person. So... was this remote controlled? It could be a cleverly designed drone plane. They don't need wing to work...



This might well be a stretch, but ultimately would answer your question better.
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2. how did Adamski come up with German disc design photos?

How do we know the germans even designed such a craft? If there was evidence for it, I am sure that it would have shown up by now...
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3. Bonus question to get to your film nonsense:
Why do Star trek often have references to "New Berlin" on the moon?

Why call a place New York? Or New Brunswick? Same principle. In Doctor Who, they had a New New York on a planet called New Earth once.
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And tons of other Hollyhoax series and movies secretly put out hints? Could it be that the masses won't recognize the hints even if it bites them in the bum?

What hints? Please point some out to me.
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Why did the Stargate series find something down Antarctica?

I have not watched the series. But as I understand it, they are talking about a second stargate found on that continent. The first one was in Egypt, at the Giza complex. And that was in the film. I loved the commenting on the dating of the Shpinx, and the throwaway line about Budge. And they also tried to use Ancient Egyptian language in the film. I enjoyed it.

Alien Verses Predator also had structures hidden at Antarctica. Lovecraft also used it in his Mythos. Antarctica is a vast expanse, and largely unknown. A writer's gem, in short.

Below is my thoughts on the concept. Put in front of me a ridiculous premise, this is the inspiration...

Oh no... is it 3:36 again?
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 11:50 #1657

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I looked at your Wikipedia article link. Thenm went and pulled up the English translation, because I have no reading ability in German.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

Looking at the article, I understood your comments on Antarctica. I ask: How could the Third Reich, at the end of the war, crumbling into the dust, manage to support a base in Antarctica? This is important, because such a base would need to aquire a large amount of resource to survive the war.

Also, it would mean that these craft could survive weather and temperature worse than during the battles at Stalingrad. How feasable would that be? Forget propulsion... You are looking at something that would need to cope with such harsh conditions...

Also, how could the Nazis have managed to transport - in secret - all the materials and equipment needed to build and maintain such a base?

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I ask:
1. how did this disc fly in Merseburg? What propulsion?

More importantly... how many crew could pilot it? Look at the photos, and it is clear that it is too small to fit a single person. So... was this remote controlled? It could be a cleverly designed drone plane. They don't need wing to work...

Lol, what a poor post. You evaded my questions, not really a surprise. :yerright:

If you look at the MIG 19 on the photo, the mig has way smaller cockpit that the disc.
I assume those MIG was never flown by a pilot then? :facepalm:
Haunebu II(as on the photo) has a diameter of ~30 metres!

The Antarctica expedition started in 1938/1939 you fool, hence the name of the land they claimed "Neuschwabenland", the name of the ship.

Here is the ship:


Its basically a documented fact Germans went to Antarctica in 1938/1939 to claim land. Ironically, Admiral Byrd helped them to prepare the expedition due to his polar experience.
They even made a film about the expedition showing antarctic landscape. :wissl:

The west German "Bundesanzeiger" in 1952, a formal organ of US occupation...




which names all the area, mountains and landscape they discovered and claimed.

This is a school atlas of 1979, showing Neuschwabenland...



A GDR globe...



Last but not least, why is that?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System
"claim rests since 1945"
, yeah, because the motherland remains occupied.

I can spank you with facts until you can't post any nonsense any more. Be aware of that, you only make yourself look stupid and ignorant.

I wonder why our beloved ziopedia doesn't have an english entry?
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Antarktische_Expedition_1938/39
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 19:34 #1658

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this doesn't prove anything Oracle - certainly not that anti - grav saucers were around in 1945.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 19 Jul 2014 19:48 #1659

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this doesn't prove anything Oracle - certainly not that anti - grav saucers were around in 1945.

Show me the line I wrote which stated its "anti-gravity" disc? There is none.

As said, it is ignorance on your side. Its well proven the Germans developed a "Flugkreisel" which is nothing more than a supersonic helicopter, but disc shaped.

Hence my question.

You can say what you want, it is you people who have been so utterly lied to and fooled by your own services, which claim to protect you. You know, the most obvious truth is not believed by the masses, because people do not want to hear the truth.

There is no space program by US or Russia, despite all the big dreams they had, zero initiative. I wonder why?

Better believe in little grey men. :hahano:

Ps: I would be surprised you learned at school about the German Antarctic expedition by Alfred Ritscher. Did you hear it? Nope. Did you learn about the land claimed? Nope.
Do you know about Victor Schauberger? Nope.
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please make my profile inactive, I no longer want to have any connection to this forum.

yet he is trolling further. :facepalm:

blue_tackler wrote:
the lice are only going to jump onto other typhus victim

Prime example of holocaustianity mental issues, clinically insane, and utterly ill informed, a danger to public health if this dude was working for CDC.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 20 Jul 2014 18:26 #1660

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Oracle wrote:
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Most sci -fi is predictive programming - the military had the internet and cell phones 50 yrs before they gave it to us -- they used 'voice to skull ' microwave beams in the 50's - i wonder how many suffered back then ( as many do today with electronic harassment) in mental institutions?
But I draw the line at Moon bases or that they had anti - gravity ( I'm still not totally convinced we have it ) ......if AH really flew off in any circular craft to Antarctica - into hollow earth I presume - I'll throw in the towel and call the last 8 yrs a waste of time. In my books No one is on the moon or mars .

I think you people focus way too much on Hitler.
The war has been going on without him, that's the point.
The UN are certainly a hypocrite useless bunch, but they simply don't forget to repeal the enemy state clause.
It has a reason it is still in UN charter. That is no coincidence or a case of "oops, sorry, we forgot about it"

I personally wouldn't bet my life on empty solar system except earth. Note, I consider "ET" human looking, they could walk amongst us and we wouldn't notice. What's the ting with the national security state in US since 1947? Why? In the same year Roswell allegedly happened and Byrd went to Antarctica, just to run away with his strike force. Something doesn't add up, but most people overlook that.

I agree that WW II research does tend to focus too much on one man (Adolf Hitler), and I think the usual suspects have infiltrated practically every leading forum to promote certain agendas, that serve to criminalize people who are critical of official history. The motto of the story is be very careful of phony ''Nazi'' groups and such, which only gives so called ''anti-fascists'' the excuse to label realists as hateful 'nazis' or whatever else. Questioning history is never hateful in itself, but as you know trying to reason with these radical left goons is a complete waste of one's time and energy. They're not here to reason with anybody themselves.

However that said, discussing Adolf Hitler is par for the course on the subject of everything WWII, it's almost impossible to bring the subject up without mentioning him. But again I agree that under the circumstances it's not good to obsess over the one person, especially somebody who has such a negative public image. As for all the flying saucer stuff, it's something that I also feel is best avoided in my honest opinion.. lest one make himself look like a tin foil hat loon. Some things are best kept to oneself.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. – Marcus Aurelius
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