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TOPIC: What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie?

What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 20 Jan 2019 00:44 #4361

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How come you waited for zorro to leave before you spammed his thread with this crap.

Cowards.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 20 Jan 2019 01:49 #4362

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Why is nobody being sent to.prison for trying to revise communist history or.renditioned to germany to face trials.of denying the holodomor.?

Why is it.perfectly acceptable to have openly.communist marxist.proffessors teaching.marxism and statues of marx all over europe ?

How.come its only a danger to society to try and revive some life into the ideas of hitler then ?

There are open communists running in elections that i have seen in the uk and canada and yet if you tried the same with national socialism related to hitler you would end up in prison ?

Do you not ask.yourself why ?

I think you do and i think you know why and i think you know exactly what you are doing spamming zorros thread after he is gone.
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 20 Jan 2019 10:54 #4363

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MrAnderson wrote:
Why is nobody being sent to.prison for trying to revise communist history or.renditioned to germany to face trials.of denying the holodomor.?

Why is it.perfectly acceptable to have openly.communist marxist.proffessors teaching.marxism and statues of marx all over europe ?

How.come its only a danger to society to try and revive some life into the ideas of hitler then ?

There are open communists running in elections that i have seen in the uk and canada and yet if you tried the same with national socialism related to hitler you would end up in prison ?

Do you not ask.yourself why ?


I think you do and i think you know why and i think you know exactly what you are doing spamming zorros thread after he is gone.

You are making excellent points here Mr. A.

Indeed, the jews have been propagandising us for the past + 70 years about the 'dangers' of 'horrible' Hitler and 'terrible' National Socialism, because that's obviously what they don't want to see revived. There can be no other reason for this why they are doing it.

Because National Socialism IS the answer to our world-wide problems.

It's very easy to see and understand this actually.
So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

- Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 20 Jan 2019 14:04 #4364

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So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

- Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 21 Jan 2019 00:05 #4365

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The German military machine was very impressive given its organisation and developments in arms and armour. Just the designs of some aircraft and vehicles look awesome even today – the JU-87, the ME-262, the Jagdpanther, the Tiger, even the humble Kübelwagen...

Unfortunately no Third Reich would materialise due to the idiotic notion of Germany holding Europe and North Africa in its grip as well as an invasion of Russia.

Despite what some would postulate, Hitler did not want peace per se given his military ambitions. The proof is in his army’s annexations and invasions. Perhaps those glorifying Hitler’s Germany would like to justify the rampant occupation of foreign lands that posed no threat to him or his country?
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 21 Jan 2019 01:43 #4366

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miacat wrote:
The German military machine was very impressive given its organisation and developments in arms and armour. Just the designs of some aircraft and vehicles look awesome even today – the JU-87, the ME-262, the Jagdpanther, the Tiger, even the humble Kübelwagen...

Yes and regarding the Ju-87 Stuka dive bomber, it was fabulous, being able to hit precise targets.
Surprisingly the Allies didn't go in for divebomber development in any big way, preferring instead to plaster whole cities with massive carpet-bombing which often missed vital targets such as power stations and arms factories etc.

Precision strike:- Stukas knocking out Russian bridges-
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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 22 Jan 2019 18:18 #4367

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The comments are the best - there's a dutch guy named Rodger, seems to be a revisionist, going up against a mass of folk who take the mainstream line on Hitler and WW2.


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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 23 Jan 2019 21:22 #4368

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So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 30 Jan 2019 08:45 #4369

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So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

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The Brave warriors of The Reich

They fought the Communist/Bolsheviks that were destroying Europe.

They ended up fighting the world because of lies and propaganda.

The warriors of the Reich tried to save the world from the merchants.


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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 01 Feb 2019 23:25 #4371

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Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe

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Poslednyaya Respublika (“The Last Republic”), by Viktor Suvorov (Vladimir Rezun). Moscow: TKO ACT, 1996. 470 pages. Hardcover. Photographs.

Reviewed by Daniel W. Michaels


For several years now, a former Soviet military intelligence officer named Vladimir Rezun has provoked heated discussion in Russia for his startling view that Hitler attacked Soviet Russia in June 1941 just as Stalin was preparing to overwhelm Germany and western Europe as part of a well-planned operation to “liberate” all of Europe by bringing it under Communist rule.

Writing under the pen name of Viktor Suvorov, Rezun has developed this thesis in three books. Icebreaker (which has been published in an English-language edition) and Dni M (“M Day”) were reviewed in the Nov.-Dec. 1997 Journal. The third book, reviewed here, is a 470-page work, “The Last Republic: Why the Soviet Union Lost the Second World War,” published in Russian in Moscow in 1996.

Suvorov presents a mass of evidence to show that when Hitler launched his “Operation Barbarossa” attack against Soviet Russia on June 22, 1941, German forces were able to inflict enormous losses against the Soviets precisely because the Red troops were much better prepared for war — but for an aggressive war that was scheduled for early July — not the defensive war forced on them by Hitler’s preemptive strike.




In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory.

Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe.

In his second book on the origins of the war, “M Day” (for “Mobilization Day”), Suvorov details how, between late 1939 and the summer of 1941, Stalin methodically and systematically built up the best armed, most powerful military force in the world — actually the world’s first superpower — for his planned conquest of Europe. Suvorov explains how Stalin’s drastic conversion of the country’s economy for war actually made war inevitable. [Image: By mid-June 1941, enormous Red Army forces were concentrated on the western Soviet border, poised for a devastating attack against Europe. This diagram appeared in the English-language edition of the German wartime illustrated magazine Signal.]


A Global Soviet Union


In “The Last Republic,” Suvorov adds to the evidence presented in his two earlier books to strengthen his argument that Stalin was preparing for an aggressive war, in particular emphasizing the ideological motivation for the Soviet leader’s actions. The title refers to the unlucky country that would be incorporated as the “final republic” into the globe-encompassing “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,” thereby completing the world proletarian revolution.

As Suvorov explains, this plan was entirely consistent with Marxist-Leninist doctrine, as well as with Lenin’s policies in the earlier years of the Soviet regime. The Russian historian argues convincingly that it was not Leon Trotsky (Bronstein), but rather Stalin, his less flamboyant rival, who was really the faithful disciple of Lenin in promoting world Communist revolution. Trotsky insisted on his doctrine of “permanent revolution,” whereby the young Soviet state would help foment home-grown workers’ uprisings and revolution in the capitalist countries.

Stalin instead wanted the Soviet regime to take advantage of occasional “armistices” in the global struggle to consolidate Red military strength for the right moment when larger and better armed Soviet forces would strike into central and western Europe, adding new Soviet republics as this overwhelming force rolled across the continent. After the successful consolidation and Sovietization of all of Europe, the expanded USSR would be poised to impose Soviet power over the entire globe.

As Suvorov shows, Stalin realized quite well that, given a free choice, the people of the advanced Western countries would never voluntarily choose Communism. It would therefore have to be imposed by force. His bold plan, Stalin further decided, could be realized only through a world war.

A critical piece of evidence in this regard is his speech of August 19, 1939, recently uncovered in Soviet archives (quoted in part in the Nov.-Dec. 1997 Journal, pp. 32-33). In it, Lenin’s heir states:

"The experience of the last 20 years has shown that in peacetime the Communist movement is never strong enough to seize power. The dictatorship of such a party will only become possible as the result of a major war …

Later on, all the countries who had accepted protection from resurgent Germany would also become our allies. We shall have a wide field to develop the world revolution."


Furthermore, and as Soviet theoreticians had always insisted, Communism could never peacefully coexist over the long run with other socio-political systems. Accordingly, Communist rule inevitably would have to be imposed throughout the world. So integral was this goal of “world revolution” to the nature and development of the “first workers’ state” that it was a cardinal feature of the Soviet agenda even before Hitler and his National Socialist movement came to power in Germany in 1933.

Stalin elected to strike at a time and place of his choosing. To this end, Soviet development of the most advanced offensive weapons systems, primarily tanks, aircraft, and airborne forces, had already begun in the early 1930s. To ensure the success of his bold undertaking, in late 1939 Stalin ordered the build up a powerful war machine that would be superior in quantity and quality to all possible opposing forces. His first secret order for the total military-industrial mobilization of the country was issued in August 1939. A second total mobilization order, this one for military mobilization, would be issued on the day the war was to begin.


Disappointment


The German “Barbarossa” attack shattered Stalin’s well-laid plan to “liberate” all of Europe. In this sense, Suvorov contends, Stalin “lost” the Second World War. The Soviet premier could regard “merely” defeating Germany and conquering eastern and central Europe only as a disappointment.

According to Suvorov, Stalin revealed his disappointment over the war’s outcome in several ways. First, he had Marshal Georgi Zhukov, not himself, the supreme commander, lead the victory parade in 1945. Second, no official May 9 victory parade was even authorized until after Stalin’s death. Third, Stalin never wore any of the medals he was awarded after the end of the Second World War. Fourth, once, in a depressed mood, he expressed to members of his close circle his desire to retire now that the war was over. Fifth, and perhaps most telling, Stalin abandoned work on the long-planned Palace of Soviets.


An Unfinished Monument


The enormous Palace of Soviets, approved by the Soviet government in the early 1930s, was to be 1,250 feet tall, surmounted with a statue of Lenin 300 feet in height — taller than New York’s Empire State Building. It was to be built on the site of the former Cathedral of Christ the Savior. On Stalin’s order, this magnificent symbol of old Russia was blown up in 1931 — an act whereby the nation’s Communist rulers symbolically erased the soul of old Russia to make room for the centerpiece of the world USSR.

All the world’s “socialist republics,” including the “last republic,” would ultimately be represented in the Palace. The main hall of this secular shrine was to be inscribed with the oath that Stalin had delivered in quasi-religious cadences at Lenin’s burial. It included the words: “When he left us, Comrade Lenin bequeathed to us the responsibility to strengthen and expand the Union of Socialist Republics. We vow to you, Comrade Lenin, that we shall honorably carry out this, your sacred commandment.”

However, only the bowl-shaped foundation for this grandiose monument was ever completed, and during the 1990s, after the collapse the USSR, the Christ the Savior Cathedral was painstakingly rebuilt on the site.
The Official View

For decades the official version of the 1941-1945 German-Soviet conflict, supported by establishment historians in both Russia and the West, has been something like this:

"Hitler launched a surprise “Blitzkrieg” attack against the woefully unprepared Soviet Union, fooling its leader, the unsuspecting and trusting Stalin. The German Führer was driven by lust for “living space” and natural resources in the primitive East, and by his long-simmering determination to smash “Jewish Communism” once and for all. In this treacherous attack, which was an important part of Hitler’s mad drive for “world conquest,” the “Nazi” or “fascist” aggressors initially overwhelmed all resistance with their preponderance of modern tanks and aircraft."

This view, which was affirmed by the Allied judges at the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, is still widely accepted in both Russia and the United States. In Russia today, most of the general public (and not merely those who are nostalgic for the old Soviet regime), accepts this “politically correct” line. For one thing, it “explains” the Soviet Union’s enormous World War II losses in men and materiel.
Doomed from the Start

Contrary to the official view that the Soviet Union was not prepared for war in June 1941, in fact, Suvorov stresses, it was the Germans who were not really prepared. Germany’s hastily drawn up “Operation Barbarossa” plan, which called for a “Blitzkrieg” victory in four or five months by numerically inferior forces advancing in three broad military thrusts, was doomed from the outset.

Moreover, Suvorov goes on to note, Germany lacked the raw materials (including petroleum) essential in sustaining a drawn out war of such dimensions.

Another reason for Germany’s lack of preparedness, Suvorov contends, was that her military leaders seriously under-estimated the performance of Soviet forces in the Winter War against Finland, 1939-40. They fought, it must be stressed, under extremely severe winter conditions — temperatures of minus 40 degrees Celsius and snow depths of several feet — against the well-designed reinforced concrete fortifications and underground facilities of Finland’s “Mannerheim Line.” In spite of that, it is often forgotten, the Red Army did, after all, force the Finns into a humiliating armistice.

It is always a mistake, Suvorov emphasizes, to underestimate your enemy. But Hitler made this critical miscalculation. In 1943, after the tide of war had shifted against Germany, he admitted his mistaken evaluation of Soviet forces two years earlier.


Tank Disparity Compared


To prove that it was Stalin, and not Hitler, who was really prepared for war, Suvorov compares German and Soviet weaponry in mid-1941, especially with respect to the all-important offensive weapons systems — tanks and airborne forces. It is a generally accepted axiom in military science that attacking forces should have a numerical superiority of three to one over the defenders. Yet, as Suvorov explains, when the Germans struck on the morning of June 22, 1941, they attacked with a total of 3,350 tanks, while the Soviet defenders had a total of 24,000 tanks — that is, Stalin had seven times more tanks than Hitler, or 21 times more tanks than would have been considered sufficient for an adequate defense. Moreover, Suvorov stresses, the Soviet tanks were superior in all technical respects, including firepower, range, and armor plating.

As it was, Soviet development of heavy tank production had already begun in the early 1930s. For example, as early as 1933 the Soviets were already turning out in series production, and distributing to their forces, the T-35 model, a 45-ton heavy tank with three cannons, six machine guns, and 30-mm armor plating. By contrast, the Germans began development and production of a comparable 45-ton tank only after the war had begun in mid-1941.

By 1939 the Soviets had already added three heavy tank models to their inventory. Moreover, the Soviets designed their tanks with wider tracks, and to operate with diesel engines (which were less flammable than those using conventional carburetor mix fuels). Furthermore, Soviet tanks were built with both the engine and the drive in the rear, thereby improving general efficiency and operator viewing. German tanks had a less efficient arrangement, with the engine in the rear and the drive in the forward area.

When the conflict began in June 1941, Suvorov shows, Germany had no heavy tanks at all, only 309 medium tanks, and just 2,668 light, inferior tanks. For their part, the Soviets at the outbreak of the war had at their disposal tanks that were not only heavier but of higher quality.

In this regard, Suvorov cites the recollection of German tank general Heinz Guderian, who wrote in his memoir Panzer Leader (1952/1996, p. 143):

"In the spring of 1941, Hitler had specifically ordered that a Russian military commission be shown over our tank schools and factories; in this order he had insisted that nothing be concealed from them. The Russian officers in question firmly refused to believe that the Panzer IV was in fact our heaviest tank. They said repeatedly that we must be hiding our newest models from them, and complained that we were not carrying out Hitler’s order to show them everything. The military commission was so insistent on this point that eventually our manufacturers and Ordnance Office officials concluded: “It seems that the Russians must already possess better and heavier tanks than we do.” It was at the end of July 1941 that the T34 tank appeared on the front and the riddle of the new Russian model was solved."


Suvorov cites another revealing fact from Robert Goralski’s World War II Almanac (1982, p. 164). On June 24, 1941 — just two days after the outbreak of the German-Soviet war:

"The Russians introduced their giant Klim Voroshilov tanks into action near Raseiniai [Lithuania]. Models weighing 43 and 52 tons surprised the Germans, who found the KVs nearly unstoppable. One of these Russian tanks took 70 direct hits, but none penetrated its armor."


In short, Germany took on the Soviet colossus with tanks that were too light, too few in number, and inferior in performance and fire power. And this disparity continued as the war progressed. In 1942 alone, Soviet factories produced 2,553 heavy tanks, while the Germans produced just 89. Even at the end of the war, the best-quality tank in combat was the Soviet IS (“Iosef Stalin”) model.

Suvorov sarcastically urges establishment military historians to study a book on Soviet tanks by Igor P. Shmelev, published in 1993 by, of all things, the Hobby Book Publishing Company in Moscow. The work of an honest amateur military analyst such as Shmelev, one who is sincerely interested in and loves his hobby and the truth, says Suvorov, is often superior to that of a paid government employee.


Airborne Forces Disparity


Even more lopsided was the Soviet superiority in airborne forces. Before the war, Soviet DB-3f and SB bombers as well as the TB-1 and TB-3 bombers (of which Stalin had about a thousand had been modified to carry airborne troops as well as bomb loads. By mid-1941 the Soviet military had trained hundreds of thousands of paratroopers (Suvorov says almost a million) for the planned attack against Germany and the West. These airborne troops were to be deployed and dropped behind enemy lines in several waves, each wave consisting of five airborne assault corps (VDKs), each corps consisting of 10,419 men, staff and service personnel, an artillery division, and a separate tank battalion (50 tanks). Suvorov lists the commanding officers and home bases of the first two waves or ten corps. The second and third wave corps included troops who spoke French and Spanish.

Because the German attack prevented these highly trained troops from being used as originally planned, Stalin converted them to “guards divisions,” which he used as reserves and “fire brigades” in emergency situations, much as Hitler often deployed Waffen SS forces.


Maps and Phrase Books



In support of his main thesis, Suvorov cites additional data that were not mentioned in his two earlier works on this subject. First, on the eve of the outbreak of the 1941 war Soviet forces had been provided topographical maps only of frontier and European areas; they were not issued maps to defend Soviet territory or cities, because the war was not to be fought in the homeland. The head of the Military Topographic Service at the time, and therefore responsible for military map distribution, Major General M. K. Kudryavtsev, was not punished or even dismissed for failing to provide maps of the homeland, but went on to enjoy a lengthy and successful military career. Likewise, the chief of the General Staff, General Zhukov, was never held responsible for the debacle of the first months of the war. None of the top military commanders could be held accountable, Suvorov points out, because they had all followed Stalin’s orders to the letter.

Second, in early June 1941 the Soviet armed forces began receiving thousands of copies of a Russian-German phrase book, with sections dedicated to such offensive military operations as seizing railroad stations, orienting parachutists, and so forth, and such useful expressions as “Stop transmitting or I’ll shoot.” This phrase book was produced in great numbers by the military printing houses in both Leningrad and Moscow. However, they never reached the troops on the front lines, and are said to have been destroyed in the opening phase of the war.


Aid from the ‘Neutral’ United States


As Suvorov notes, the United States had been supplying Soviet Russia with military hardware since the late 1930s. He cites Antony C. Sutton’s study, National Suicide (Arlington House, 1973), which reports that in 1938 President Roosevelt entered into a secret agreement with the USSR to exchange military information. For American public consumption, though, Roosevelt announced the imposition of a “moral embargo” on Soviet Russia.

In the months prior to America’s formal entry into war (December 1941), Atlantic naval vessels of the ostensibly neutral United States were already at war against German naval forces. (See Mr. Roosevelt’s Navy: The Private War of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet, 1939-1942 by Patrick Abbazia [Annapolis: Naval Institute Press, 1975]). And two days after the “Barbarossa” strike, Roosevelt announced US aid to Soviet Russia in its war for survival against the Axis. Thus, at the outbreak of the “Barbarossa” attack, Hitler wrote in a letter to Mussolini: “At this point it makes no difference whether America officially enters the war or not, it is already supporting our enemies in full measure with mass deliveries of war materials.”

Similarly, Winston Churchill was doing everything in his power during the months prior to June 1941 — when British forces were suffering one military defeat after another — to bring both the United States and the Soviet Union into the war on Britain’s side. In truth, the “Big Three” anti-Hitler coalition (Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill) was effectively in place even before Germany attacked Russia, and was a major reason why Hitler felt compelled to strike against Soviet Russia, and to declare war on the United States five months later. (See Hitler’s speech of December 11, 1941, published in the Winter 1988-89 Journal, pp. 394-396, 402-412.)

The reasons for Franklin Roosevelt’s support for Stalin are difficult to pin down. President Roosevelt himself once explained to William Bullitt, his first ambassador to Soviet Russia: “I think that if I give him [Stalin] everything I possibly can, and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won’t try to annex anything, and will work with me for a world of peace and democracy.” (Cited in: Robert Nisbet, Roosevelt and Stalin: The Failed Courtship [1989], p. 6.) Perhaps the most accurate (and kindest) explanation for Roosevelt’s attitude is a profound ignorance, self-deception or naiveté. In the considered view of George Kennan, historian and former high-ranking US diplomat, in foreign policy Roosevelt was “a very superficial man, ignorant, dilettantish, with a severely limited intellectual horizon.”


A Desperate Gamble


Suvorov admits to being fascinated with Stalin, calling him “an animal, a wild, bloody monster, but a genius of all times and peoples.” He commanded the greatest military power in the Second World War, the force that more than any other defeated Germany. Especially in the final years of the conflict, he dominated the Allied military alliance. He must have regarded Roosevelt and Churchill contemptuously as useful idiots.

In early 1941 everyone assumed that because Germany was still militarily engaged against Britain in north Africa, in the Mediterranean, and in the Atlantic, Hitler would never permit entanglement in a second front in the East. (Mindful of the disastrous experience of the First World War, he had warned in Mein Kampf of the mortal danger of a two front war.) It was precisely because he was confident that Stalin assumed Hitler would not open a second front, contends Suvorov, that the German leader felt free to launch “Barbarossa.” This attack, insists Suvorov, was an enormous and desperate gamble. But threatened by superior Soviet forces poised to overwhelm Germany and Europe, Hitler had little choice but to launch this preventive strike.

Soviet troops hoist the red hammer-and-sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, an act that symbolized the Soviet subjugation of eastern and central Europe. The Battle of Berlin climaxed the titanic struggle of German and Soviet forces that began on June 22, 1941. On the afternoon of April 30, 1945, as Soviet troops were storming the Reichstag building, Hitler committed suicide in his nearby bunker headquarters.


But it was too little, too late. In spite of the advantage of striking first, it was the Soviets who finally prevailed. In the spring of 1945, Red army troops succeeded in raising the red banner over the Reichstag building in Berlin. It was due only to the immense sacrifices of German and other Axis forces that Soviet troops did not similarly succeed in raising the Red flag over Paris, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Rome, Stockholm, and, perhaps, London.


The Debate Sharpens

In spite of resistance from “establishment” historians (who in Russia are often former Communists), support for Suvorov’s “preventive strike” thesis has been growing both in Russia and in western Europe. Among those who sympathize with Suvorov’s views are younger Russian historians such as Yuri L. Dyakov, Tatyana S. Bushuyeva, and I. V. Pavlova. (See the Nov.-Dec. 1997 Journal, pp. 32-34.)

With regard to 20th-century history, American historians are generally more close-minded than their counterparts in Europe or Russia. But even in the United States there have been a few voices of support for the “preventive war” thesis — which is all the more noteworthy considering that Suvorov’s books on World War II, with the exception of Icebreaker, have not been available in English. (One such voice is that of historian Russell Stolfi, a professor of Modern European History at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. See the review of his book Hitler’s Panzers East in the Nov.-Dec. 1995 Journal.) Not all the response to Suvorov’s work has been positive, though. It has also prompted criticism and renewed affirmations of the decades-old orthodox view. Among the most prominent new defenders of the orthodox “line” are historians Gabriel Gorodetsky of Tel Aviv University, and John Ericson of Edinburgh University.

Rejecting all arguments that might justify Germany’s attack, Gorodetsky in particular castigates and ridicules Suvorov’s works, most notably in a book titled, appropriately, “The Icebreaker Myth.” In effect, Gorodetsky (and Ericson) attribute Soviet war losses to the supposed unpreparedness of the Red Army for war. “It is absurd,” Gorodetsky writes, “to claim that Stalin would ever entertain any idea of attacking Germany, as some German historians now like to suggest, in order, by means of a surprise attack, to upset Germany’s planned preventive strike.”

Not surprisingly, Gorodetsky has been praised by Kremlin authorities and Russian military leaders. Germany’s “establishment” similarly embraces the Israeli historian. At German taxpayers expense, he has worked and taught at Germany’s semi-official Military History Research Office (MGFA), which in April 1991 published Gorodetsky’s Zwei Wege nach Moskau (“Two Paths to Moscow”).

In the “Last Republic,” Suvorov responds to Gorodetsky and other critics of his first two books on Second World War history. He is particularly scathing in his criticisms of Gorodetsky’s work, especially “The Icebreaker Myth.”


Some Criticisms


Suvorov writes caustically, sarcastically, and with great bitterness. But if he is essentially correct, as this reviewer believes, he — and we — have a perfect right to be bitter for having been misled and misinformed for decades.

Although Suvorov deserves our gratitude for his important dissection of historical legend, his work is not without defects. For one thing, his praise of the achievements of the Soviet military industrial complex, and the quality of Soviet weaponry and military equipment, is exaggerated, perhaps even panegyric. He fails to acknowledge the Western origins of much of Soviet weaponry and hardware. Soviet engineers developed a knack for successfully modifying, simplifying and, often, improving, Western models and designs. For example, the rugged diesel engine used in Soviet tanks was based on a German BMW aircraft diesel.

One criticism that cannot in fairness be made of Suvorov is a lack of patriotism. Mindful that the first victims of Communism were the Russians, he rightly draws a sharp distinction between the Russian people and the Communist regime that ruled them. He writes not only with the skill of an able historian, but with reverence for the millions of Russians whose lives were wasted in the insane plans of Lenin and Stalin for “world revolution.”


Journal of Historical Review 17, no. 4 (July-August 1998), 30-37. Daniel W. Michaels is a Columbia University graduate (Phi Beta Kappa, 1954), a Fulbright exchange student to Germany (1957), and recently retired from the US Department of Defense after 40 years of service. Also see (off-site) the National Vanguard’s review of Icebreaker and Hitler’s Reichstag speech of December 11, 1941.


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What if everything you were taught about World War II was a lie? 03 Feb 2019 12:54 #4372

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All that we know about World War II is taken from books and movies. Of course we were lied to.
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Background: The following essay was published in Der Angriff, 30 July 1928. Goebbels founded the newspaper in Berlin in 1927 shortly after taking over as the party’s leader there. Here he outlines the nature of Nazi anti-Semitism.

The source: “Warum sind wir Judengegner?” Der Angriff. Aufsätze aus der Kampfzeit (Munich: Zentralverlag der NSDAP., 1935), pp. 329-331. The illustration is the book’s dust jacket.



Why Do we Oppose the Jews?

by Joseph Goebbels



We oppose the Jews because we are defenders of the freedom of the German people. The Jew is the cause and beneficiary of our slavery. He has misused the social misery of the broad masses to deepen the cursed divisions between right and left in our people, to split Germany in half. This was the real reason that we lost the Great War on the one hand, and for the corruption of the revolution on the other.

The Jew has no interest in solving Germany’s fateful questions. He cannot, indeed. He lives because they are unresolved. Were the German people to become a united community with freedom to act in the world, the Jew would have no place among us. He holds the trump cards when a people lives under domestic and foreign slavery, not when it is free, industrious, self-confident, and determined. The Jew caused our misery and lives from it today.

That is why we nationalists and socialists oppose the Jews. The Jew has corrupted our race, soiled our morals, undermined our values, and broken our strength. He is the reason we today are the pariah of the whole world. As long as we were German, he was a leper among us. When we forgot our German nature, he triumphed over us and our future.



The Jew is the plastic demon of decay. Where he senses filth and decay, he appears from his hiding place and begins his criminal slaughter of the peoples. He puts on a mask of friendship before those he wants to betray, without the innocent victim noticing that his neck is already broken.

The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only trades in products. With rags, clothing, pictures, gems, grain, stocks, mining shares, peoples, and states. And everything that he deals in was stolen somewhere and somehow. As long as he is against a state he is a revolutionary; as soon as he has power he preaches peace and order so that he can enjoy his theft.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I ask the opposite: what does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism is the doctrine of labor. When did one ever see him work rather than plunder, steal, corrupt, and live from the sweat of others? We are socialists who oppose the Jew because we see in the Hebrew the incarnation of capitalism, which means the misuse of the people’s wealth.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with nationalism? I ask the opposite: What does the Jew have to do with nationalism? Nationalism is the doctrine of blood, of race. The Jew is the enemy and destroyer of unified blood, the conscious destroyer of our race. We are nationalists who oppose the Jew because we see in the Hebrew the eternal enemy of our national honor and our ethnic freedom.

“The Jew is also a human being.” Certainly. None of us has ever doubted it. We only doubt that he is a decent human being. He does not get along with us. He lives according to different internal and external laws than we do. The fact that he is a human being is not enough reason for us to be oppressed and bullied by him in inhuman ways. He is a human being — but what kind? If someone whips your mother’s face with a whip, do you say: “Thank you, he is a human being?” That is no human being, but rather a monster. How much worse has the Jew done to our mother Germany, and continues to do even today!

“There are white Jews.” Sure, there are enough dirty dogs among us, even if they are Germans, who use immoral methods to oppress their own ethnic and blood comrades. But why do you call them white Jews? That assumes there is something in the Jewish nature that is inferior and contemptible. That is exactly what we think. Why do you ask us why we are opponents of the Jews when you are one, too, without realizing it?

“Anti-Semitism is not Christian.” So being Christian means allowing the Jews to continue to rule, to look on as he slices skin from our bodies and then mocks what he has done. Being a Christian means to love your neighbor as yourself! My neighbor is my blood and ethnic comrade. If I love him I must hate his enemy. He who thinks as a German must despise the Jew. The one determines the other.

Christ, too, saw that love does not work in every situation. When he threw the money changers out of the temple, he did not say: children, love each other! Instead he took a whip and chased the pack out.

We oppose the Jews because we affirm the German people. The Jew is our greatest misfortune.

That will change if we are truly Germans.


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To support the cross channel invasion, and to then push the Germans eastward, the Allies unleashed a ferocious aerial bombardment campaign. Entire towns were mercilessly carpet bombarded. Cultural icons and works of art were destroyed, 65,000 French civilians killed, 150,000 injured, and 1,250,000 left homeless. Incredibly, twice as many French civilians were bombed to death during only a matter of weeks, as the total amount of British civilians killed during the entire war! (Of course, these numbers pale in comparison to the 1,000,000 + German civilians who were killed by Allied bombings!)
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^ Yes... whereas the Germans lived up to the Geneva Conventions to the Tee, the Western allied forces actually came in carpet bombing, butchering and plundering.


It's the reason why Hitler decided not to make a stand in Rome, as the cities archeological / historical sites would have been destroyed by bombing raids by the British and bubble-gum chewing Americans.
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Flare, you werent a member when i posted that my mom worked for a jewish guy who was very nice (married an irish catholic) who was a B25 bomber pilot in ww2 - I wonder if he realised what his plane was doing


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Flare, you werent a member when i posted that my mom worked for a jewish guy who was very nice (married an irish catholic) who was a B25 bomber pilot in ww2 - I wonder if he realised what his plane was doing

Yes, I think I've seen you mention it.


I think most American soldiers, or better said, ANY allied soldiers didn't know what they were doing, since they were brainwashed into hating Germans to the max. by the jewish owned media and politicians.

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I think most American soldiers, or better said, ANY allied soldiers didn't know what they were doing, since they were brainwashed into hating Germans to the max. by the jewish owned media and politicians

Hitler declared war on America and started building a big transatlantic bomber and developing the atom bomb so I'm sure US soldiers were happy to get to Europe to bust his ass without the jews having to push them.
Likewise, Adolf used to drop stuff like this bomb in Brit back yards, so Brit soldiers were glad to want to trash him, the jews never pushed them into it..:)

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Poland and the Lies of the Allies

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By Eric Thomson with research by Paul Norris (2000)



Poland and its hapless people had largely served their purpose by becoming the excuse for Britain and its reluctant French ally to declare war on Germany in 1939. As historian David Irving points out, Britain’s touted war aim was initially the “defense of Polish sovereignty.” Of course, it had been agreed upon before 1939 that Britain and France would not intervene if the Soviet Union were to violate Polish sovereignty, as happened a few weeks after the German preemptive strike against Poland. But, unlike the Moor of Shakespeare, the Poles did not go away. Even after the kosher slaughter of some 15,000 members of the Polish officer corps, the Poles and their national interests remained. In fact, it was this Soviet massacre of the Poles at Katyn which served to emphasize to the Poles their likely fate under Soviet/Khazar rule. Therein lay the seeds of a Polish-German alliance. In 1943, the government of Britain was indeed worried by indications that the Poles might wish to put Polish interests ahead of world banksterdom.

On August 10,1943, W.D. Allen of the Central Department of the British Foreign Office writes plaintively to the Political Intelligence Department chief in the Foreign Office:

"Consequent upon our conversation this morning, I attach a paper which was primarily intended as an aide-memoir within our section and which, therefore, may contain some rather obvious statements. Nevertheless, it is a very accurate picture of the grounds for suspicion which I mentioned to you this morning… May I urge most strongly the necessity for not hinting to any Polish contacts your suspicions on this matter… because if they felt that there was any leakage of information through us as to their own fears and suspicions, it would close the door to any future negotiations between us and them.”


The accompanying memorandum is marked “Most Secret” and is entitled “POLISH GERMAN COLLABORATION.” It begins thusly:

" The purpose of this paper is to draw attention to the situation which now exists in Poland and to the danger that the Germans may succeed in setting up a collaborationist regime in the General Government. At no time since the occupation has such an eventuality been considered possible until now, but recent deterioration in the situation makes it seem that this possibility should be taken into serious consideration… Background: (1) Resentment against Soviet Russia has for long been intense and practically universal among the Poles in Poland. As the German military power seems to be waning, the possibility of collaboration is likely to be greater and no less if the fear of Russian (sic)occupation increases. (2) German anti-Soviet propaganda has been and is in accordance with the sentiments of the great majority of the Polish people to whom it is directed. (3) It is believed, both by the general population and by the responsible leaders that Soviet and communist subversive propaganda and activity in Poland is intended to disrupt the country so that it will be unable, after the defeat of Germany, to offer effective resistance to Soviet domination…”

" Evidence of the Present Critical Situation: (1) Since the affair (sic) of Katyn the Germans have for the first time obtained the collaboration of responsible Polish journalists in their press campaign against Soviet Russia. Delegations from several responsible Polish bodies visited Katyn under German auspices. (2) The clandestine press of Poland is concentrating more and more upon bitter attacks against Soviet Russia and against the subversive activities within Poland which are being encouraged by Soviet Russia. (3) The tone of our responsible contacts in the Polish Ministry of the Interior has changed noticeably in the past few weeks… They are obviously nervous at the inevitable effects of the recent German anti-Soviet campaign upon a population ‘without proper political orientations’ (sic). It seems clear that while they are confident in the attitude of the resistance organizations, they are now becoming alarmed at the possibility that these organizations may lose something of their support from the people and that individuals may be found whose fear and hatred of Russia is sufficiently strong to induce them to collaborate formally with the Germans, at any rate to the extent of opposing Russia (sic). (4) Since the affair of Katyn, Russian (sic) accusations of collaboration among Poles in the General Government, although malicious, have been specific and give the impression that there is some degree of fact behind the exaggeration. (5) Frank [the German Governor General of Occupied Poland] has recently declared that he hopes to make the General Government a model satellite state. This reads like propaganda intended to anticipate the probable course of events. (6) The Krakauer Zeitung of 24th July reports a meeting between Governor General Frank and the President and Director of the Polish General Welfare Council ‘to discuss the general situation of the Polish population, with special reference to the events in the Lublin district.’ (7) A P.W.I. report from Stockholm ingenuously states that the ‘Germans are starting to set up a Polish Quisling government. This plan results from a successful propaganda on the Katyn mass graves.’ In view of the above, it does seem that there is a strong possibility of some kind of Quisling Government being set up in Poland supported by (a) Warsaw degenerates; (b) genuinely patriotic Poles who passionately fear the Russian (sic) menace more than anything else in the world.”


The trick was to keep Poland strong enough and determined enough to fight the Germans, but not to fight the Soviets. So far, the Polish Secret Army had served British-Soviet interests well via guerrilla warfare, sabotage and espionage against the German war effort in Poland. It is even mentioned in one Polish Secret Army report that agents were helping to spread the deadly typhus disease. Polish military units serving with the British and so-called Free French forces had to be placated as well so that their fear and loathing for the Soviets could be put ‘safely’ in the background.

In addition to these pressing priorities, Special Operations Executive, Britain’s espionage, sabotage and terrorist organization, was complaining in correspondence with Britain’s Psychological Warfare Executive or propaganda ministry that their cells of agents were being destroyed and neutralized by German roundups of civilians for labor as well as security reasons. Naturally, such roundups were also having the same effect upon the Polish Secret Army and the British had received such complaints from the Polish Government-in-Exile. On August 11,1943, in a letter to W.D. Allen of the British Foreign Office, Lieut. Colonel Perkins of S.O.E. writes:

"…The deportations [i.e. roundups] are serious and are affecting our work in that the cells of the underground Resistance Movement in the affected areas are to a great extent liquidated, and also such materials as we have been able to deliver are liable to be discovered. If any form of deterrent could be devised we would welcome it… a possible form of deterrent would be a statement by the United Nations that (German) settlers would be regarded, after the war, as a form of war criminal, having taken possession of property which they knew to be illegally acquired.”


It was clear from the outset that the government of Britain had no intention of assisting the Poles with military or material support. Words were going to be the only thing the Poles would get, just as in 1939. It only remained to be decided what words were going to be selected.

In a Most Secret Cypher Telegram dated August 22, 1943 from the British Foreign Secretary to the War Cabinet Offices in Washington he states:

"I mentioned to Mr. Hull [the U.S. Secretary of State] on August 20th the request of the Polish Government for some joint Anglo-American declaration regarding German crimes in occupied Poland. Mr. Hull admitted that he had received a similar request and that he would consider it, though he felt that any such declaration was not likely to give much help to the Polish population.”


British propagandists were the authors of the Allied declaration. It was one among many lies of the Allies and it was among the more cynical, for it was initially designed to eclipse the Soviet atrocity of Katyn by accusing Germans of even greater, but entirely fictitious atrocities against the Polish people. The Poles were not likely to be fooled for long, but it was only sufficient that they remain fooled until the Soviet steamroller had run over them. The complicity of the Polish Government-in-Exile with this treason against the Polish people reveals how little it had in common with the people it claimed to represent. On August 12, 1943, Lt. Col. Perkins of S.O.E. received a letter from the British Foreign Office:

"The Polish Foreign Minister called upon me this evening and asked me to draw the Secretary of State’s special attention to the suggestion made by the Polish Government for the issue of a declaration condemning the German deportation of the populations of Central Poland. Annexed is a minute by Mr. Allen on this point together with the draft of a possible declaration which it is suggested might be telegraphed to the Prime Minister with a view to persuading the President to join in a joint statement…”


W.D. Allen’s attached minute begins:

" The Polish government have suggested that His Majesty’s Government should issue a declaration condemning the German deportations of the population of Central Poland, which, according to recent reports received from Poland, are on the increase. The Polish Government would hope that any such declaration should be given the maximum publicity in our broadcasts to Poland and Germany, and that it should also be used in leaflets to be dropped over Germany (especially, if practicable, Eastern Germany) and, if possible, Poland as well. A similar request is being addressed to the United States Government… S.O.E. would accordingly welcome any form of deterrent that could be devised.”

" P.W.E. [Psychological Warfare Executive] see no objection to publicity being given to any declaration and would be prepared to do everything possible to give effect to the Polish proposals, subject to technical and operational limitations. Such declarations as H.M.G. [His Majesty’s Government] have made in the past on the subject of German atrocities in Poland have been made in Parliament. They have not gone beyond promises of retribution against those responsible. The deterrent effect of such statements appears to have been negligible, and if any further declaration is to be made, it would be useful if it could contain some indication that the actions being carried out by the German authorities in Poland will in some measure be held against Germany as a whole… The Poles were at first inclined to revert to the idea of reprisals. It has been made clear to them that these are out of the question. A further Polish suggestion for a warning to the Polish population against premature action on the lines of that recently broadcast to Greece and Yugoslavia is being examined separately. It raised difficulties from the Soviet point of view.”


The attached declaration by W.D. Allen, as amended by others in his department, dated August 12, 1943, is as follows:

"Reliable information has reached H.M. Government regarding the crimes committed by the German invaders against the population of Poland. Since the autumn of 1942 a belt of territory extending from the province of Bialystock southward along the line of the River Bug has been systematically emptied of its inhabitants (hundreds of thousands of whom have been deported from their homes).”


The draft declaration continues:

" In July 1943 these measures were extended to practically the whole of the province of Lublin and also to the neighboring provinces of Radom and Cracow.” [Editor’s note: this typewritten sentence was considerably altered by the poison-pen-wielder who changed it to read as follows:]

" In July 1943 these measures were extended to practically the whole of the province of Lublin, where hundreds of thousands of persons have been deported from their homes or exterminated.” [Editor’s note: The “hundreds of thousands” reappear from the propagandists’ bag of tricks, along with the word, “exterminated”, which was entirely absent before. The wording is also purposefully misleading. Were the mythical “hundreds of thousands” “deported” or were they “exterminated”? Could the spies of S.O.E. have failed to detect an extermination program involving hundreds of thousands of people? Impossible. No exterminations were mentioned in S.O.E. correspondence because there weren’t any. The Germans were moving the Poles, not murdering them.]


W.D. Allen’s draft continues:

"These measures are being carried out with the utmost brutality. Many of the victims are killed on the spot. The rest are segregated. Men from 14 to 50 are taken away to work for Germany. (Some) children (are killed on the spot, others) are separated from their parents and either sent to Germany to be brought up as Germans or sold to German settlers or despatched with the women and old men to concentration camps, were they are now being systematically put to death in gas chambers. [Editor’s note: words in parentheses were added to the original.] H.M. Government re-affirm their resolve to punish the instigators and actual perpetrators of these crimes. They further declare that, so long as such atrocities continue to be committed by the representatives and in the name of Germany, they must be taken into account against the time of the final settlement with Germany. Meanwhile the war against Germany will be prosecuted with the utmost vigour until the barbarous Hitlerite tyranny has been finally overthrown.”


So here we find the amazing “gas chambers,” emanating like the proverbial deus ex machina from a typewriter in the British Foreign Office. But watch closely, for you are about to see another sleight of hand take place.

It is noted that the arbitrary inclusion of “hundreds of thousands” of Poles in the categories of “deported” OR “exterminated” might serve to eclipse the ‘mere’ 15,000 or so Poles murdered by the Soviet Khazars at Katyn. On August 26, 1943, the British Foreign Office telegraphed Moscow with the request that they make a similar statement condemning the “extension of German campaign of mass murder and deportation against population of Poland” on behalf of the Polish Government. But the Soviets, apparently, cared little what the Poles or the world thought in regard to alleged German atrocities. The Soviets, after all, had already blamed the Katyn mass murders on the Germans and lamely continued to do so after 1945, even ‘trying’ and executing the alleged ‘German perpetrators,’ without convincing anyone of Soviet innocence. In any case, the Soviets had no fear of justice, because they knew for whom the Allies toiled.

It was thus not until August 31, 1943 that the following telegram arrived from Moscow: “Molotov has replied that the Soviet Government were precluded by lack of time from examining draft declaration and proposal for simultaneous publication by them of similar communication. The Soviet Government’s attitude towards responsibility of Hitlerites for the crimes committed in occupied territory had already been defined in a number of notes and in special statement of October 14th last (see my telegram No. 250) made in connection with declaration by them in regard to nine occupied countries including Poland.” The Soviets preferred their own lies.

Meanwhile, back at the “gas chambers” or actually the typewriters of the British Foreign Office, all were satisfied with their creative writing exercise. The Polish Government-in-Exile was in full agreement with the text of the declaration, as W. D. Allen advised Sir Owen O’Malley, the British Ambassador to Poland, in a memo dated 20 August 1943. By August 27th, the declaration had gone out over the wires to Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. All was in readiness to spew forth at the appointed day and hour, when the lies would be proclaimed to the world.

But one man, Mr. Cavendish-Bentinck, a senior official of British Intelligence, was “a little unhappy about the statement [Editor’s note to American readers: this meant that he was extremely unhappy], to be issued on the authority of His Majesty’s Government, that Poles ‘are now being systematically put to death in gas chambers’.” You can imagine the consternation amongst the hackwriters of the Foreign Office and their chiefs when they received this ‘rocket’ in the form of a memo dated August 27th, 1943. The telegraphed “gas chambers” declaration had gone out to all Allied authorities on August 27th! How they all must have hated this ‘horrible man’ who threatened to wreck their game with his maddening coolness. Cavendish-Bentinck’s memo continues:

"The only two references which I have been able to find… which deal with this form of execution are as follows: (1) Telegram of l7th July, 1943 from Poland. “Commander-in-Chief armed forces Lublin district informed me that he had evidence that some of these people are being murdered in gas cells there” (Majdanek Camp). (2) Telegram of 17th July, 1943, from Poland “It has been ascertained that on July 2nd and 5th two transports made of women, children and old men, consisting of 30 wagons each, have been liquidated in gas cells.” It will be observed that the first of the reports gives no indication of the date of the occurrence, or the number of people concerned; the second is silent as to the place and the source. It is true that there have been references to the use of gas chambers in other reports; but these references have usually, if not always, been equally vague, and since they have concerned the extermination of Jews, have usually emanated from Jewish sources. Personally, I have never really understood the advantage of the gas chamber over the simpler machine-gun, or the equally simple starvation method…”


Cavendish-Bentinck was no doubt aware that the Soviet-Khazar rulers of the erstwhile Russian Empire had used mass-starvation as a weapon against the Ukrainians in the 1930’s and that gunfire was used to slay the Polish officers at Katyn. Starvation would be used again by the Soviets and also by the Americans to murder millions of Germans after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Gas chamber technology for executions, as opposed to delousing, was well-known in the United States and had been in use since the 1920’s. If mass-gassing were cheaper and more efficient than shooting or starvation, one suspects that this method would have been used by the Soviets and the Americans instead of the previously mentioned methods.

We now know that British Intelligence was intercepting and decoding all German radio transmissions in regard to labor and concentration camps such as Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz, Majdanek et al. and gas chambers were not the means used for the execution of prisoners. The British also knew the number of inmates at each camp, as well as the number transferred into and out of the camps. Cavendish-Bentinck was undoubtedly privy to this information and did not want the British to be embarrassed by German rebuttals. The “gas chambers” must be saved for later, when the Germans could not defend themselves…

Cavendish-Bentinck’s memo continues:

"In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as ‘trustworthy’. The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded. Mr. Allen and myself have both followed German atrocities quite closely. I do not believe that there is any evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court that Polish children have been killed on the spot by Germans when their parents were being deported to work in Germany, nor that Polish children have been sold to German settlers. As regards putting Poles to death in gas chambers, I do not believe that there is any evidence that this has been done. There have been many stories to this effect, and we have played them up in P.W.E. [Psychological Warfare Executive] rumors without believing that they had any foundation. At any rate, there is far less evidence than exists for the mass murder of Polish officers by the Russians (sic) at Katyn… I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the story of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of German enormities being brushed aside as being mere propaganda. I am very sad to see that we must needs ape the Russians (sic) and talk about ‘Hitlerite’ – instead of ‘German’.”


The panic buttons were pressed and emergency cords pulled throughout the British ministries that day. At the bottom of Cavendish-Bentinck’s memo is W.D. Allen’s scribbled message: “I have discussed this with Mr. Roberts. It seems too late to make substantial changes. But we could telegraph to Washington and Moscow on the lines of the amended draft.” At the very bottom of the memo are notations in two other hands: “Tels sent & M. Kulski informed.” And, “The Polish P.M. readily accepted the change.” So the “gas chambers,” which existed only on paper in the first place, disappeared with the stroke of a pen.

On August 28,1943, the governments of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa were sent secret telegrams with the following text: “Following for Prime Minister. Begins. My telegram D No. 596 of 27th August. Declaration regarding German atrocities in Poland. On further reflection we are not convinced that evidence regarding use of gas chambers is substantial enough to justify inclusion in a public declaration of concluding phrase of paragraph 2 of draft contained in my telegram D. No. 597 of 27th August and we are therefore suggesting to United States Government that sentence in question should end at ‘concentration camps.’ Ends.”

On August 30,1943. The Times of London published the declaration in its final ‘approved’ form:


“GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND

A British Warning

The following statement was issued yesterday by the Foreign Office:

Trustworthy information has reached His Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom regarding crimes committed by the German invaders against the population of Poland. Since the autumn of 1942 a belt of territory extending from the province of Bialystok southwards along the line of the River Bug has been systematically emptied of its inhabitants. In July, 1943 these measures were extended to practically the whole of the province of Lublin, where hundreds of thousands of persons have been deported from their homes or exterminated.

These measures are being carried out with the utmost brutality. Many of the victims are killed on the spot. The rest are segregated. Men form 14 to 50 are taken away to work for Germany. Some children are killed on the spot, others are separated from their parents and either sent to Germany or sold to German settlers – or dispatched with the women and old men to concentration camps.

His Majesty’s Government reaffirm their resolve to punish the instigators and actual perpetrators of these crimes. They further declare that, so long as such atrocities continue to be committed by the representatives and in the name of Germany, they must be taken into account against the time of the final settlement with Germany. Meanwhile the war against Germany will be prosecuted with the utmost vigor until the barbarous Hitlerite tyranny has been finally overthrown.

From our own Correspondent, New York Aug. 29

The American State Department today issued a statement in similar terms to the British Government’s statement regarding German crimes in Poland.”



The reader has just witnessed, by looking over the shoulders of a few bureaucrats, as it were, how the “Nazi gas chambers” were produced by an inter-office memo emanating from the British Foreign Office on August 12, 1943 and how they were made to ‘vanish’ by means of same on August 28, 1943. Of course, the “gas chamber rumors” which were being spread by Britain’s Psychological Warfare Executive et al. were making their mischievous rounds, as they are today.

Once Germany was militarily defeated, the “gas chambers” were resurrected at Nuremberg, along with World War I-type propaganda hoaxes such as “human soap” or “soup,” “lampshades of human skin,” etc. Nuremberg Document 3311-PS, which was submitted to the Allied kangaroo court by Dr. Tadeusz Cyprian, the Polish Deputy Representative on the United Nations War Crimes Commission in London, accused the German authorities of operating “extermination camps” at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. The accusation makes no mention of Poles being exterminated, for Poles were no longer running Poland by that time. Jews and Jews alone were the alleged victims: “In these camps the Jews were put to death in their thousands [Editor’s note: not millions?] by hitherto unknown, new methods, gas and steam chambers as well as electric current employed on a large scale.” No mention is made of those supposedly ubiquitous “gas vans” which were later alleged to have done most of the “gassings.” Instead of “gas vans,” we have “steam chambers” and even “electric chambers.” Since these were on par with the “gas chambers” we have heard so much about, why do we hear nothing about them today? In this document, Treblinka is specifically mentioned as using “steam chambers intended for mass killing of Jews by suffocating them.” It even describes the “steam chambers” and the boiler installations, so there was no confusion here between “steam” and “gas” chambers. The “steam chambers” have gone into the Orwellian “memory hole” with the “gas chambers of Dachau.” As we have seen, anything can be written on paper, for “paper is patient.”


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- Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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Julius Streicher’s Political Testament

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Written in 1945. He presents his first encounters with both Jewry and Adolf Hitler as well as the evolution of his political views and activism, including a defense of the Nuremberg Laws based in part on the Old Testament and Zionism.


By Julius Streicher

“Have you already heard Adolf Hitler speak?” I had been asked again and again for some time. And when this happened again, it seemed to me as if fate had again directed a call at me.

It was on a winter day in the year 1922. I sat there again in a public assembly as an unknown among unknown. I sat in a mass assembly in the meeting hall of the “Bürgerbräus” on Rosenheimerstrasse in Munich. A tremendous tension of anticipation was lying over the mighty assembly hall.

Suddenly, the call came from outside: “Hitler is coming!”, as if struck by the ray of a mysterious force, many thousands of men and women rose from their seats, raised up their right arm as blessing, and like the shout of a primal force, the cry “Heil Hitler” roared again and again toward the man approaching. With effort, those accompanying him cleared a path for him through the pushing masses of people.

When he now stood at the pulpit and, with a face glistening with joy, gazed across the raging enthusiasm, I felt that there must be something special about this Adolf Hitler! The storm of enthusiasm had been replaced by an oddly expectant silence.



Now he spoke. At first, slowly and hardly any emphasis, but then ever faster and more forceful, and finally escalating to great strength. What was said, was the revelation of a deep knowledge of the cause that plunged the German folk into its misfortune, and it was the revelation of a deep belief in God, which from the strength of German spirit and of German heart will break the chains of slavery, when the time has come. It was a tremendous wealth of thoughts that came from his mouth in a more than three-hour speech, clothed in the beauty of talented speech.

Each felt it: This man speaks from a divine calling, he speaks as delegate of heaven in a moment in which hell opened up to devour everything.

And all had understood him, with the brain and with the heart, the men and also the women. He had spoken for all, for the whole German folk. It had been the last hour before midnight, when his speech ended with the solemn admonishment: “Workers of mind and of fist! Join hands in a German folk community of heart and of deed!”

“We assemble to pray before God the Just!” [“Wir treten zum Beten vor Gott den Gerechten!”] Never before had I heard this song sung so ardently pleading and so full of faith and hope, and never before had the singing of the “Deutschland-Lied” [German National Anthem] moved me so deeply, as it happened in that mass rally, in which, for the first time, I saw Adolf Hitler and heard him speak. I felt it: in this moment, fate had called me for the second time! I rushed through the cheering masses to the podium and now stood in front of him: “Mr. Hitler! I am Julius Streicher! At this hour I know it: I can only be a helper, but you are the Führer! I hereby hand over to you the folk movement created by me in Franconia.”

Questioning, he gazed at me from the blue depth of his eyes. There were long seconds. But then, he took my hands with great warmth: “Streicher, I thank you!”

So fate had called me the second time. But this time it was the greatest call in my life.


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- Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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