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TOPIC: We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country

We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 13 Sep 2015 03:53 #41

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Even the US public is in the same boat with even more issues which needs addressing being right in there target line as well!

Its a global thing anyhow; but each location has to sort it out within there own place

I agree that each location refugees are coming in has to sort it out within there own country.

Keep in mind the US is a melting pot so it's the European countries who need to make a stand to preserve their heritage.
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 00:51 #42

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Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization, according to a Danish historian.

In Denmark, human migration used to be a thing of the past, but not anymore, says Bent Jensen, Ph.D., a well-known Danish historian.

"Day and night, hordes of people with no fake IDs (or no IDs whatsoever) storm Europe’s undefended borders. Back in the day, they would’ve been stopped and forced to go back by the police, army or border control. Now, however, European warships are used to safely escort the migrants to safe harbors, where they are provided with food, shelter and are allowed to obtain refugee status," says the professor.

Mr. Jensen points out that while there were many migrations in the past, like the migrations of Europeans to the US, Canada and Australia, as well as migrations within Europe itself, things were quite different as migrants had no welfare system to rely on and had to fend for themselves.

He also point out that the ongoing migration is quite different from those that took place before.

"We’re talking about people from another culture that is radically different from European culture. These people don’t want to assimilate, and demand special treatment for themselves. We’re talking about an endless human stream which, if left unchecked, will destroy European society," warns Jensen.

According to Professor Jensen, the current great migration is a result of three key factors: a rapid population growth in conflict-ridden regions adjacent to Europe; the relative ease of transportation; and a lack of border controls and security in Europe.

Migrants on a dinghy arrives at the southeastern island of Kos, Greece, after crossing from Turkey, Thursday, Aug. 13, 2015
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Italian Foreign Minister Calls on EU to Urgently Address Migrant Crisis
"You can get information about all the rights that a new arrival is entitled to," Jensen points out. "A lot of organizations stand ready to help with money or advice. Refugees are provided with accommodations, clothing, money, translators and legal advice, etc. And the critics are quickly silenced by the political and media elites."

"Recently one lady told me that this is how we atone for the age of colonialism," he adds. "This is utter nonsense which has nothing to do with history, a manifestation of a masochistic guilt complex fueled by the education system."

"You could say that we’re responsible for overpopulation in the North Africa and in the Middle East as the colonial authorities caused great progress in healthcare," Jensen concedes. "We're not talking about refugees and migration. The thing is, the Europeans offer no resistance to a foreign culture that seeks to colonize them, a culture that doesn't belong in Europe but seeks to reap the fruits of the hard-working Europeans' labors."

The professor believes that Europeans willingly resign themselves to this 'suicide' due to an artificial guilt complex, naivety and a poor knowledge of history.

"Sweden serves as good example of this unfortunate situation. It is a special case, of course, but the 'Swedish malady' affects all of the Western European states. In Sweden, an alliance of politicians and intolerant (to Swedes) media managed to turn a previously well-organized country into a place where no one can feel safe," claims Jensen. "You shouldn't be surprised by the fact that Middle Eastern rules and customs are being established in European cities as you simultaneously import millions of migrants from the North Africa and the Middle East."

"We are witnessing a thing that never previously occurred in history," warns Jensen. "The voluntary surrender of an entire civilization."

Read more: sputniknews.com/analysis/20150826/1026226640/denmark-europe-migrants-crisis.html#ixzz3lfLFw6D8
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 13:45 #43

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Zorro wrote:
Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 18:09 #44

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Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 18:16 #45

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Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

Individuals saying no wll change nothing, and politicians aren't saying no are they? Therefore Europe IS surrending to a tide, one never before witnessed and which IMO will result in a staining of certain lands and cities, eventually with large enclaves and ghettos.
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 22:19 #46

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Germany is bearing the blunt of of the immigration stampede. Why? Is it because Germany is not towing the line as the US wishes, and the overflow of immigrants into Germany is pay back?

"In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow’s readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war."

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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 23:15 #47

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and the world media remains silent about the plight of white south africans, who are unable to leave and europe ia nor welcoming them:

www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/09/RIR-150907.php

I listened but need to listen again - if what this lady says is true - well hypocrisy is too mild a term to apply to european governments.
Karin Smith - The Real Story of South Africa
September 7, 2015
Karin Ann Smith is an expat South African living in Texas. She studied Nursing at Grey's Hospital in Pietermaritzburg and worked in the Casino industry and for the biggest supermarket chain in South Africa, both upper management positions dealing with the Unions. She has been an activist calling for world attention to the genocide of the Boer people in South Africa for at least 10 years. Her family fled the civil war in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and eventually settled as farmers in South Africa, where her family of 5 siblings and both parents have suffered attacks by AK47 wielding gangs twice in the last 3 years, resulting in the death of her father last September. Karin talks about the history of South Africa during the days of the Dutch East India Company when the Cape of Good Hope was developed. She explains the early clash of the nomadic Boors and the African Zulu Nation along with the British colonization of the mineral rich region. We discuss the 1948 establishment of the Republic of South Africa by the National party, when apartheid laws were instituted as a way to maintain the peace between the minority White Afrikaners, the ruling Boers and warring indigenous Black tribes. Karin explains the political interests of the African National Congress (ANC) and underscores the track records of its communist faction, Joe Slovo, and the founder of the Armed Wing, Nelson Mandela. She also gives details related to the slow decline and decimation of the once predominately White South Africa, where taxpayer dollars cannot support the globalist takeover of a country lacking viable commerce from its majority population. Karin highlights some of the post-apartheid sanctions instituted by the ANC, along with the bigger picture of hatred towards Whites that has been stirred up by the ANC and their allies, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), led by Julius Malema. We consider the unique situation of present-day South Africa, where the reality of its brutally anti-White environment is strangely left out of any mainstream global report. We discuss the dire circumstances of Afrikaner squatter camps and government edicts that keep White citizens jobless, uneducated, and under the constant threat of illness and violent crimes against them.


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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 14 Sep 2015 23:23 #48

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Lizzy wrote:
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Zorro wrote:
Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.

If Europeans really cared that much and it was that serious millions of them would be in the streets protesting.
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Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.

If Europeans really cared that much and it was that serious millions of them would be in the streets protesting.

You gonna see a storm, you have never seen before, promised.
Reconqista is about to come, sweeping away the corrupt jew junat and their vassals in Europe.
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 15 Sep 2015 00:18 #50

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Oracle wrote:
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Lizzy wrote:
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Zorro wrote:
Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.

If Europeans really cared that much and it was that serious millions of them would be in the streets protesting.

You gonna see a storm, you have never seen before, promised.
Reconqista is about to come, sweeping away the corrupt jew junat and their vassals in Europe.

Something big is brewing for sure, that's why they're now attempting to have free open borders across Europe, however there's been much more resistance to their plans than they anticipated I think, including many politicians who now know it will be the death of Europe to invite the barbarian horde in from all across Africa. Germany last week was saying insane things liken taking 500, 000 immigrants a year for the foreseeable future, now everything changes suddenly and they're closing the border. What's your take on this oracle?
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Zorro wrote:
What's your take on this oracle?

I have some idea, but I don't want to tell currently.

What I can say, the occupation mouthpieces Der Spiegel and some other papers now started to leak alleged sources from within Merkel's party, that she considers resigning before next so called elections.
I guess she needs to go soon in a haste, to her hacienda in Paraguay.

That said, some weeks ago, she announced to run again as chief actor of the criminal allied firm.
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Oracle wrote:
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What's your take on this oracle?

I have some idea, but I don't want to tell currently.

What I can say, the occupation mouthpieces Der Spiegel and some other papers now started to leak alleged sources from within Merkel's party, that she considers resigning before next so called elections.
I guess she needs to go soon in a haste, to her hacienda in Paraguay.

That said, some weeks ago, she announced to run again as chief actor of the criminal allied firm.

No problem, I understand. ;) Do keep us all informed though, both you and PFIZ.


Meanwhile.. you get the picture now why all this anti Hungarian propaganda is now all over the leftist pro mass immigration media, and why they promote emotional stories, like the recent camerawoman who was sacked for tripping up a fleeing refugee, or illegal immigrant.. while totally failing to publish stories of immigrant brutality against Europeans themselves. Anybody who can't see this by now must be as thick as two short planks. We need more leaders like Hungary's Viktor Orban.

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Hungary locks down EU border, taking crisis into its own hands

Hungary's right-wing government shut the main land route for migrants into the EU on Tuesday, taking matters into its own hands to halt Europe's unprecedented influx of refugees while the bloc failed to agree a plan to distribute them.

Crowds of migrants built up at Serbia’s northern border with Hungary, their passage blocked by a razor wire fence.

Under new rules that took effect from midnight, Hungary says anyone seeking asylum at the Serbian border will automatically be turned back. Anyone trying to sneak through will face jail.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban, one of the continent's loudest opponents of mass immigration, says he is acting to save Europe's "Christian values" by blocking the main overland route used by mainly Muslim refugees, through the Balkans and across his country via its border with Serbia.

In scenes with echoes of the Cold War, families with small children sat in fields beneath the former communist country's new 3.5-metre high fence, which runs almost the length of the border.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been arriving at the EU's southern and eastern edges and making their to the richer countries further north and west, in the greatest migration to Western Europe since World War Two.

With emergency talks having failed to break a deadlock over an EU plan to force member countries to accept quotas of refugees, Germany's Interior Minister said the bloc should consider imposing financial penalties on countries that refuse.

Record arrivals forced Germany and several neighbours to reimpose emergency frontier controls this week, unravelling two decades of borderless travel within the 26-member Schengen zone, one of the EU's flagship achievements.

Germany and other relatively open countries say Europe has a moral obligation to accept refugees and other EU states must do their part. Eastern European countries in particular argue that a more welcoming stance only encourages more people to make dangerous voyages, and risks attracting an uncontrolled influx of millions.

Under its new rules, Hungary said it will now automatically turn back refugees who arrive by land at its border with Serbia, which it has declared "safe", meaning those crossing from it cannot claim asylum. Asylum claims would be processed within eight days, and those at the Serbian border should be rejected within hours.

“If someone is a refugee, we will ask them whether they have submitted an asylum request in Serbia. If they had not done so, given that Serbia is a safe country, they will be rejected,” Orban was quoted as telling private broadcaster TV2 on Monday.
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Left conducting anti-Hungarian propaganda on issue of immigration


According to Deputy Prime Minister Zsolt Semjén, the Left is conducting irresponsible, anti-Hungary propaganda when trying to hinder the Government’s efforts to protect Hungarians from the uncontrolled entry of masses of immigrants into Hungary.

At a press conference held in Budapest on Monday, the President of the Christian Democratic People’s Party (KDNP), Zsolt Semjén, said the left-wing’s behaviour was doubly irresponsible and hypocritical. Recalling the statements of former Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsány and socialist politician László Kovács, he said that in 2004 they had opposed the dual citizenship rights of Hungarians living abroad, and today the same Left is trying to prevent measures against dangerous migrants using irresponsible, anti-Hungarian propaganda.

He emphasised that there is and can be no dispute regarding the fact that it is the obligation of every civilised country to help people who have been forced to flee their countries for economic reasons, or for political and religious reasons, to live a proper life at home.

The Hungarian Government has contributed significantly to improving the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq, and also in Syria, and it is providing humanitarian support with the help of state, church and civil organisation, he stressed.

He emphasised that those who been forced had to flee political, religious or ethnic persecution must be received by civilised countries based in the spirit of humanity. Their fates are often influenced by political dealings and errors, “the Arab Spring has also turned into autumn”, Mr. Semjén noted. However, in the spirit of our responsibility towards the country and the nation, we must look beyond politically correct speech, because although that may fit in with the political mainstream, it cannot face the threats that Europe and Hungary must face.

The arrival of unintegrated masses could place countries in serious difficulties, and the effects would still be felt generations later. Based on experience, we are talking about masses of people who are not only impossible to assimilate, but who also cannot be integrated and who come from cultural and religious backgrounds that are alien and in some cases even hostile to European values, and whose mentality also poses a danger to the people living here, Mr. Semjén said. He emphasised that he is in no way claiming that all of them are potential terrorists, but that there is a great danger that immigrants cannot be integrated. A further problem is that it is impossible to perform a national security check on these people, he added.

In response to a question, the Deputy Prime Minister said he is not against Hungary receiving economic migrants, but only those who would benefit the country.

Assimilation is not a must, but integration is. Immigrants must respected fact that this country has a Christian background, he emphasised.

Mr. Semjén noted that immigration is typical of the kind of issue in which a consensus must be reached. He also expressed his hope that such an agreement will soon be established and that the Left will soon realise that it is barking up the wrong tree, just like it did in 2004. According to the Deputy Prime Minister, the Left believes that if many people with traditions and beliefs that differ from our Christian culture enter the country from outside of Europe and the majority of them end up living on benefits, they will become left-wing voters.

In Mr Semjén’s view, the billboard campaign is being exaggerated; it is an episode, a communications tool, but the issue is more important and complex. The billboards state that those who come here must respect our laws and our culture, and they are addressed to people who enter the country illegally. People who prove why they are political or religious refugees must have their cases judged fairly. Reacting to another comment, he said that there will soon be a Serbian-Hungarian government summit, a difficult task of which will be to make the Serbian party understand the importance of protecting Hungary’s southern borders.

Leader of the KDNP parliamentary group Péter Harrach said that the Government has a dual responsibility: towards European culture and Hungarian citizens, and towards helping those in need. Allowing unlimited immigration endangers European culture and the safety of citizens, and this cannot be the right solution, he declared.

He noted that the number of immigrants entering the country this year, totalling 50 thousand so far, has already surpassed the total for the whole of last year. Furthermore, the prognosis is that this number will increase radically due to immigrants being sent back from Germany and Austria, he added, emphasising that the people of Hungary are incapable of receiving such a huge number of immigrants.

As Christians, we must help those in need, but this does not necessarily have to occur within the borders of Hungary, Mr. Harrach said, who cited helping the homeless as an example. When we help the homeless, we don’t do it by taking them into our homes, he said. www.kormany.hu/en/prime-minis...of-immigration
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RTL, that is Bertelsmann, Liz Mohn(Merkel's boss and sponsor, representing the jew lobby), reported there had been shots fired at the border crossing of Freilassing.
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Hungary has fenced , some caught there now on hunger strike, Croatia next route perhaps , landmines and all........

good luck with this one -

www.rt.com/news/315394-refugees-europe-radical-accomodation/
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Christian Billionaire Wants to Buy an Island for Syrian Refugees

As millions of people are displaced by violence in Syria, one business mogul says he may have a solution to help: Egyptian Coptic Christian telecom billionaire Naguib Sawiris told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria that he wants to buy an island that will give refugees a place to stay. He also told the news anchor that he was so moved by the heartbreaking image of Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi—who drowned when his overcrowded boat capsized on its voyage to Syria—that he would name it after him.

Sawiris’ idea is ambitious, and even he admits there are some challenges to making it a reality. He explained, “The challenge for this idea is not just finding the island and buying the island.” Sawiris said that logistics, like getting consent from the prime minister of Italy or Greece, getting customs agencies on board and getting the legal aspects in place, could be difficult. “After that, the rest I can do ... I would build temporary housing and temporary school and temporary hospital ... Then we will use these people and provide them jobs to build a new city on the island, to build this island ... I'm here in Belgrade and I met the minister of interior today and he was telling me that his biggest fear is that the winter is coming, it's going to be snowing and how will they sustain this weather and everything? I mean, we need to move fast.”

Obviously, his vision is ambitious—and may prove to be unrealistic. But, with more and more refugees fleeing for Europe on a daily basis, and more tragically dying during the journey, Sawiris, who is worth $3 billion, seems motivated. “I cannot just sit like that and just do nothing, you know, and pretend it's not my problem.”

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Germany is bearing the blunt of of the immigration stampede. Why? Is it because Germany is not towing the line as the US wishes, and the overflow of immigrants into Germany is pay back?

"In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow’s readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war."

russia-insider.com/en/politics/germany-may-be-leaving-us-anti-syria-coalition/ri9704

as i see it , the whole of the EU is being pushed toward Russia , with Germany at the helm ?.........the UK now has a Fabian communist Labour leader......it won't stop the migrants that much that have decided to move but i think the onslaught may slow somewhat , Merkel did her job - screaming everyone's welcome and the tipping point for white ethic eventual demise is somewhat baked in for certain countries , if not all, except for Russia perhaps - that being so i suppose that's Russia's payoff for bringing us the 'Internationale" - which Corbyn lovingly sang recently............
The US is the global ' fall guy' and the top brass are looking for scapegoats right and left - oh we got tainted intel from the Isreali's , who will have what thye want - the Mid East....blah , blah .......it's 1984 - hello Eurasia....this will still take a few more years but Putin is now our saviour ...... give me a break ....all I see is a chessboard leading to global Totalitarianism that China will dominate - what the hell does the west produce but forced austerity and the result of hundreds of years of the Elders' Protocols.
Has Russia really saved Syria ? it's in rubble.
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Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.

White people in Europe have nothing to worry about if they stick together.
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Something big is brewing for sure, that's why they're now attempting to have free open borders across Europe

Who is "they're" in bold?
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We won’t save refugees by destroying our own country 15 Sep 2015 22:49 #60

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Lizzy wrote:
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Zorro wrote:
Europe's august nations are about to commit collective suicide and we’re about to witness the willful surrender of an entire civilization,

Not if Europeans have the courage to simply just say no.

:facepalm: - I think you're a little out of touch with reality dots.

Spot on Zo' that's exactly what I just said . It's a nightmare of gigantic impact - this double whammy of yrs of mass murder and seeing today what we all knew was intended for the EU is gut wrenching.

White people in Europe have nothing to worry about if they stick together.
Yes & this requires a big miracle though!

Sticking to things was lost a long while back........... & was never Government supported by these sold out pimp prostitutes.
So called Governments were never created to be the public's friend or acting logical arm.
Quite the opposite...... & is a very old agenda plan & game. (KNOW THY ENEMY)

As I said it needs a big unique miracle........ in the real World.

Sad but true......... & never expect prostitutes living under permanent blackmail condition's to do what would be logical to do!

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