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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 12:39 #1

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I made this thread for the conversation that developed on the David Icke Forum thread which had gone in another direction.

So the posts here have been moved in from that thread.
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 14:38 #2

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Exorcist wrote:
Truthspoon wrote:

It's all there mate........a bunch of us on the Icke forum when Limelady was around actually broke a drought in WagaWaga.

My Local has just run out of Carling. Can you do anything about it?

:larf:

How big must the ego be to think itself capable of altering the immutable chain of cause and effect to its own or collective will.

To think you made it rain somewhere when it wasn't actually going to rain anyway, is insanity at its best.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 14:51 #3

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wolfy wrote:
Exorcist wrote:
Truthspoon wrote:

It's all there mate........a bunch of us on the Icke forum when Limelady was around actually broke a drought in WagaWaga.

My Local has just run out of Carling. Can you do anything about it?

:larf:

How big must the ego be to think itself capable of altering the immutable chain of cause and effect to its own or collective will.

To think you made it rain somewhere when it wasn't actually going to rain anyway, is insanity at its best.

Pahhhh............ I thought the whole point of this was the explore metaphysics and the limits of human possibility?

What about spirituality, what about the human soul?

Please dont try to impose your limits on me........

Clearly people like you aren't really into the truth....... Even if it's spelt out to you....

Video games, lager and acute agoraphobia seems to be the three principle driving forces in your world.......

Must suck to be trapped within such narrow limits....
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 15:24 #4

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Truthspoon wrote:
wolfy wrote:
Exorcist wrote:
Truthspoon wrote:

It's all there mate........a bunch of us on the Icke forum when Limelady was around actually broke a drought in WagaWaga.

My Local has just run out of Carling. Can you do anything about it?

:larf:

How big must the ego be to think itself capable of altering the immutable chain of cause and effect to its own or collective will.

To think you made it rain somewhere when it wasn't actually going to rain anyway, is insanity at its best.

Pahhhh............ I thought the whole point of this was the explore metaphysics and the limits of human possibility?

What about spirituality, what about the human soul?

Please dont try to impose your limits on me........

Clearly people like you aren't really into the truth....... Even if it's spelt out to you....

Video games, lager and acute agoraphobia seems to be the three principle driving forces in your world.......

Must suck to be trapped within such narrow limits....

Sprirurality, ultimately , Is about understanding that our ego is not us.

To get to heaven we must become like a child.

You think your ego altered a weather pattern, that was a pattern that had been set by Inumerate functions, you seriously think that your thoughts altered that pattern.

Your ego then bathed in that and felt the need to tell us that you did it.

Your ego is running wild.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 16:52 #5

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wolfy wrote:
Exorcist wrote:
Truthspoon wrote:

It's all there mate........a bunch of us on the Icke forum when Limelady was around actually broke a drought in WagaWaga.

My Local has just run out of Carling. Can you do anything about it?

:larf:

To think you made it rain somewhere when it wasn't actually going to rain anyway, is insanity at its best.

It is like thinking you can make clouds alter shape collectively - and the group ego is falsely affirming.

But it is also possible despite the fact that TS is a fool.

I can give you modern science and machine aided or just machine proof. Read up and study, things like the Yamabushi who do it in firewalking ceremonies reported by Joseph Campbell. The battle between St. Columba and a persecuted watered down Druid may be apocryphal but many practitioners in native and wiccan gatherings witness the smoke being moved in circles and changing direction to the opposing wind.

You can also refer to the research that was starting to be shown on the mini series or TV program Futurescape. These machines (including that which a partner of mine was involved with in the 1960s, as reported by Sharon Weinberger of the Washington Post) or god helmets are VERY real. They are about to be tied in with Satellites, and Omega Stations like Pine Gap and the Russians also have some Tesla tecn you can witness.
It is said 2020 is the year all this tech will become able to do a near total mind control on any part of this planet.

How big must the ego be to think itself capable of altering the immutable chain of cause and effect to its own or collective will. {How big or small is it to say things are not possible when you have lies you have been fed as proof and have never studied.}
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 17:11 #6

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Robert Baird wrote:
wolfy wrote:
Exorcist wrote:
Truthspoon wrote:

It's all there mate........a bunch of us on the Icke forum when Limelady was around actually broke a drought in WagaWaga.

My Local has just run out of Carling. Can you do anything about it?

:larf:

To think you made it rain somewhere when it wasn't actually going to rain anyway, is insanity at its best.

It is like thinking you can make clouds alter shape collectively - and the group ego is falsely affirming.

But it is also possible despite the fact that TS is a fool.

I can give you modern science and machine aided or just machine proof. Read up and study, things like the Yamabushi who do it in firewalking ceremonies reported by Joseph Campbell. The battle between St. Columba and a persecuted watered down Druid may be apocryphal but many practitioners in native and wiccan gatherings witness the smoke being moved in circles and changing direction to the opposing wind.

You can also refer to the research that was starting to be shown on the mini series or TV program Futurescape. These machines (including that which a partner of mine was involved with in the 1960s, as reported by Sharon Weinberger of the Washington Post) or god helmets are VERY real. They are about to be tied in with Satellites, and Omega Stations like Pine Gap and the Russians also have some Tesla tecn you can witness.
It is said 2020 is the year all this tech will become able to do a near total mind control on any part of this planet.

How big must the ego be to think itself capable of altering the immutable chain of cause and effect to its own or collective will. {How big or small is it to say things are not possible when you have lies you have been fed as proof and have never studied.}

The ego cannot change cause and effect.

No amount of study will change that fact.

If you believe otherwise then you will have to show proof.

This is not to say it isn't possible.

But anybody saying they can do it here automatically negates their ability to

If you get me drift.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:07 #7

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Yes, that is true. Cause and effect - not ego and ignorance!

I have not chosen to enter into the transhumanist and machine level programming much in this forum. It is enough to fight the rest of the ignorance here. But maybe a few posts on Firewalking will be OK. Why don't YOU start it off with the usual denial of possibilities or thinking, called scientism or "know-nothing scientists" by Kaku? Create a thread titled Firewalking NONsense and I will post Campbell/Huxley and Bronowski - then start another rabbit hole called The Perennial Philosophy.

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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:12 #8

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Robert Baird wrote:
Yes, that is true. Cause and effect - not ego and ignorance!

I have not chosen to enter into the transhumanist and machine level programming much in this forum. It is enough to fight the rest of the ignorance here. But maybe a few posts on Firewalking will be OK. Why don't YOU start it off with the usual denial of possibilities or thinking scientism? Create a thread titled Firewalking NONsense and I will post Campbell/Huxley and Bronowski - then start another rabbit hole called The Perennial Philosophy.

Not sure what firewalking has to do with this to be honest.

Or smoke going in a different direction to the wind.

The topic, as far as I can see, is somebodies ego saying it can effect a weather pattern on the other side of the world.

If you want to start a thread on firewalking or whatever else then feel free
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:15 #9

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Yes, you are the right person to initiate the KNOW-NOTHING POV. Do it and then you can be certain rather than unsure as you say.

You also just opened yourself up to action-at-a-distance and Einstein's spookiness entangled physics just added to by Japanese scientists last year.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:21 #10

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Robert Baird wrote:
Yes, you are the right person to initiate the KNOW-NOTHING POV. Do it and then you can be certain rather than unsure as you say.

You also just opened yourself up to action-at-a-distance and Einstein's spookiness entangled physics just added to by Japanese scientists last year.

Again, not sure why you are conflating quantum entanglement with the discussion at hand..

You gave proof of people effecting things outside of them with their collective egos.

You said somebody had seen smoke going in the wrong direction to what it should have done and they documented it.

I reckon this is very feeble proof.

Do you have any other examples?
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:34 #11

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You raised effects or affectations around the earth - and that is indeed outside the realm of Firewalking. But the science or cause and effect is connected. It will go down a very different rabbit hole after we address quantum teleporting and faster than light now proven science. Action-at-a-distance is as old as man's conscious witnessing of all life can be.

The quantum physicists starting with Crookes were attacked viciously and called things like atom-mysticists. Now we have so much proof of the mystics being correct that the KNOW NOTHING scientists are on the defensive. There are no constants (except at a local event horizon to some extent - it works for mathematical formulations).

If and when Gravitational Wave theory is accepted or proven the researchers on it say Metaphysics will become the new substrate for addressing reality. You can choose to stay in the unreal world or take the leap forward which is engulfing all sciences. Start by browsing Re-Discovering the Mind.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:38 #12

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You raised effects or affectations around the earth - and that is indeed outside the realm of Firewalking. But the science or cause and effect is connected. It will go down a very different rabbit hole after we address quantum teleporting and faster than light now proven science. Action-at-a-distance is as old as man's conscious witnessing of all life can be.

The quantum physicists starting with Crookes were attacked viciously and called things like atom-mysticists. Now we have so much proof of the mystics being correct that the KNOW NOTHING scientists are on the defensive. There are no constants (except at a local event horizon to some extent - it works for mathematical formulations).

If and when Gravitational Wave theory is accepted or proven the researchers on it say Metaphysics will become the new substrate for addressing reality. You can choose to stay in the unreal world or take the leap forward which is engulfing all sciences. Start by browsing Re-Discovering the Mind.

I didn't.

TS raised the subject saying that he altered the weather patterns on the other side of the world with his mind.

I said his ego had gone mental.

Like I say , I don't discount the possibility of anything.

Although I know for a fact that if the ego brags about its perceived actions, those actions are, by default , bollocks.
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Cause And Effect 16 Jan 2016 18:45 #13

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You raised it to me, I have not gone into his claims and it did not take long to see what his issues are when I went to his site.

Yes, bragging is an issue. It is also an issue for scientists who have INSISTED and pontificated about almost every single thing they brag about and which has been subsequently disproven.

Since you demonstrate no desire to do any research in the matter I will get you a journalistic report on the era beginning this proper discourse I am suggesting you do. But I obviously have other fish to fry here. In the last three days this hell hole has taken over thirty hours of my time.
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Robert Baird wrote:
You raised it to me, I have not gone into his claims and it did not take long to see what his issues are when I went to his site.

Yes, bragging is an issue. It is also an issue for scientists who have INSISTED and pontificated about almost every single thing they brag about and which has been subsequently disproven.

Since you demonstrate no desire to do any research in the matter I will get you a journalistic report on the era beginning this proper discourse I am suggesting you do. But I obviously have other fish to fry here. In the last three days this hell hole has taken over thirty hours of my time.

I do not have the time to do any research to be honest.

And I tend to put more weight onto experience then research, that is not to say I rely on it 100% though, even though I have had some pretty amazing experiences :)

Although feel free to send it, and if and when I get time I will have a read.
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And it would be more correct to say that you have given 30 hours of your time.

This "hell hole" doesn't have the power to take it ;)
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Sir William Crookes and Michael Faraday



If I am passionate about psychic or spiritual reality a little too much for your liking - you may not like to read what this man has to say about our thread's title character's critical me-too thinkers.

You may have heard about the media coverage of the Wright Brother's flight and how it took three years before Scientific American stopped trying to debunk it. You may already know about the early 20th Century Patent Office Official who declared 'everything that could be discovered was discovered'. You may even know about the Paris Academy of Sciences official who throttled the presenter of the phonograph claiming he was a ventriloquist. These things are funny in a way, but they are not unusual. Unfortunately you are going to have to think if you read this book. You will have to ask yourself how stupid we have been to allow a lot of lies to pass for truth.

Sir William Crookes - Generalist Deemed Weird:

"The Chemist Sir William Crookes Proved Survival With Repeatable Experiments Under Laboratory Conditions - by Michael Roll

Adrian Berry, the science correspondent of The Daily Telegraph, says that few subjects more infuriate scientists than claims of paranormal phenomena, because if confirmed, "the whole fabric of science would be threatened."

This statement is not correct because nothing can threaten science - the Latin name for seeking after knowledge. The only thing that is threatened by uncomfortable discoveries in physics are pseudo-scientists. Their reputations will be destroyed immediately ordinary people find out that Sir William Crookes proved that we all survive the death of our physical bodies with repeatable experiments under laboratory conditions.

Following this revolutionary discovery in 1874 this outstanding British scientist was knighted, made President of the Royal Society, and King Edward VII gave him the highest decoration in the land - The Order of Merit.

Sir William Crookes was able to wipe the floor with contemporary professional wreckers who dared to attack him. The following is how he dealt with Professor W.B. Carpenter, a biologist from London University, who made a very unfair and anonymous attack upon him in the 'Quarterly Review'. Carpenter had been unfortunate enough to describe Crookes as "a specialist of specialists".

'My greatest crime (he wrote in his reply to Carpenter's diatribe in the 'Quarterly Journal of Science') seems to be that I am a 'specialist of specialists'. It is indeed news to me that I have confined my attention only to one special subject. Will my reviewer kindly say what that subject is? Is it General Chemistry, whose chronicler I have been since the commencement of the Chemical News in 1859? Is it Thallium, about which the public have probably heard as much as they care for? Is it Chemical Analysis, in which my recently published Select Methods are the result of twelve years work?

Is it disinfection and the 'Prevention and Cure of Cattle Plague', my published report on which may be said to have popularized Carbolic Acid?

Is it Photography, on the theory and practice of which my papers have been very numerous? Is it Metallurgy of Gold and Silver, in which my discovery of the value of Sodium in the amalgamation process in now largely used in Australia, California and South America?

Is it Physical Optics, in which department I have space only to refer to papers of some Phenomena of Polarized Light, published before I was twenty one; to my detailed description of the Spectroscope and labours with this instrument, when it was almost unknown in England; to my papers on the Solar and Terrestrial Spectra; to my examination of the Optical Phenomena of Opals, and construction of the Spectrum Microscope; to my papers on the Luminous Intensity of Light; and my description of my Polarization Photometer?

Or is it my speciality Astronomy and Meteorology, in as much as I was for twelve months at the Radcliffe Observatory, Oxford, where, in addition to my principal employment of arranging the meteorological department, I divided my leisure between Homer and Mathematics at Magdelen Hall, Planet-hunting and transit tracking with Mr. Pogson, now Principal of the Madras Observatory, and celestial photography with the magnificent heliometer attached to the Observatory? My photographs of the Moon, taken in 1855, at Mr. Hartnup's Observatory, Liverpool, were for years the best extant, and I was honoured by a money grant from the Royal Society to carry out further work in connection with them. These facts, together with my trip to Oran last year, as one of the Government Eclipse Expedition, and the invitation recently received to visit Ceylon for the same purpose, would almost seem to show that Astronomy was my speciality. In truth, few scientific people are less open to the charge of being a 'specialist of specialists'.'

There is a vast conspiracy to make sure exciting scientific discoveries never come to the attention of the general public. Genuine scientists are banned from supporting the work of Sir William Crookes in the press and on every radio and television programme that is made on the so-called paranormal. People are only allowed access to the views of "experts" who can be relied upon to play the Establishment game - suppress anything that could embarrass the orthodox scientists who hold the reins of power.

Nobody is allowed to balance the opinions and conclusions of these self-styled experts on the "paranormal". These professional wreckers have unrestricted access to all media outlets, while my colleagues and I have been refused permission to write and broadcast by almost every editor and producer that we have approached. The British people are not allowed to hear the secular scientific case for survival after death in this "free" country of ours!

Recent discoveries in subatomic physics confirm that Sir William Crookes was correct in his conclusions, and that he was not a liar, cheat, crank, a fraud or a sex maniac as we have been criminally led to believe. His only "crime" was to tell the truth." (1)

"Scientists have studied the evolution, the mechanisms and the function of the brain, but have difficulty teasing apart the complex processes that give rise to human consciousness in part because of the difficulty in measuring individual subjective experience.

Nobel-award winning researcher Dr. Francis Crick, who devoted the last 15 years of his life to the study of consciousness, wrote the following in his foreword to Christof Koch's The Quest for Consciousness: A Neurobiological Approach:

"Solving the problem of consciousness will need the labors of many scientists, of many kinds, though it is always possible that there will be a few crucial insights and observations. ... A few years ago one could not use the word 'consciousness' in a paper, for, say, Nature or Science, nor in a grant application. But thankfully, times are changing, and the subject is now ripe for intensive exploration."

In fact, technological advances in brain imaging have given scientists a new range of tools to more accurately observe and measure the apparent causes and manifestations of consciousness. fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) produces vivid images of the areas of the brain that respond to a variety of stimuli. Instead of trying to measure a purely subjective response, such as "that made me feel good," scientists can also see what part of the subject's brain is responding, for how long, and to what degree.

Many scientists believe that we are beginning to learn how a subjective, personal experience can be observed objectively. For the scientist, this makes all the difference between valid research and speculation.

In addition to major scientific publications, such as Science and Nature, the scientific journal Consciousness and Cognition reports scientific research relative to the study of consciousness and cognitive processes. Trends in Cognitive Sciences also often features research bearing on the question of consciousness. And the Journal of Consciousness Studies contains a wide variety of reflections by academic scholars and researchers in anatomy, computation, physiology, psychology, artificial intelligence, religion, philosophy and more."


www.mindscience.org/research

What happens when psychic surgeons and faith healers like the minister who healed Evander Holyfield who had been barred from boxing? Energy is at work - but how? Is there consciousness in every atomic constituent or only in the god particle or quark, maybe it isn't consciousness in atomic components that healers attune with and it is just their mind. But how do average people heal themselves and their loved ones so often?

"In an interview in 1989 at the Nils Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, where Bohm presented his views, Bohm spoke on his theory of wholeness and the implicate order. The conversation centered around a new worldview that is developing in part of the Western world, one that places more focus on wholeness and process than analysis of separate parts. Bohm explained the basics of the theory of relativity and its more revolutionary offspring, quantum theory. Either theory, if carried out to its extreme, violates every concept on which we base our understanding of reality. Both challenge our notions of our world and ourselves.

He cited evidence from both theories that support a new paradigm of a more interrelated, fluid, and less absolute basis of existence, one in which mind is an active participant. 'Information contributes fundamentally to the qualities of substance.' He discussed forms, fields, superconductivity, wave function and electron behavior. 'Wave function, which operates through form, is closer to life and mind...The electron has a mindlike quality.'" (3)
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Maybe you have misjudged me.

In no way is my thinking restricted by science.

I belive fully in life after death and consciousness and an eternal energy.

What I don't believe is peoples egos when they are out of control ;)
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If you believe FULLY in life after death - you are far further down the rabbit hole of ego than most people are.

I have not misjudged you, you have stated your positions and I have refuted those positions. Now you actually have gone flip flop and are further into the NEW AGE stuff people accuse me of.

But it is an area of research (Including William Roll mentioned in the above post - who I probably met at the party in the home of the head of his Psychical Research Foundation - geodesic dome it was) I was so into that a multi-station radio owner offered me what would have been the first call-in show on the paranormal in the era of 1974. I was dating the top US FRNM psychic who a Scottish Prof told me was the equal of Ivanova and Nelya almost. She was a Ceremonial High Priestess of Majik or the Craft. She was the first of eight who have done possession infiltration on me. She later said she would use all her power to f*ck me over. Two or maybe three other such people have done worse (or better than her). One did something similar at night in a cabin we shared on my yacht. It was projection of a suffocating sort he often bragged about. I immediately knew where it was coming from and told him to stop - he said it was someone else doing it. He went on to do War Bottles and the Charm of Making as months went by before I sent him packing and laughed at his foolishness. Not to suggest that there was nothing real about the energy - it was powerful in every case.
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Robert Baird wrote:
If you believe FULLY in life after death - you are far further down the rabbit hole of ego than most people are.

I have not misjudged you, you have stated your positions and I have refuted those positions. Now you actually have gone flip flop and are further into the NEW AGE stuff people accuse me of.

But it is an area of research (Including William Roll mentioned in the above post - who I probably met at the party in the home of the head of his Psychical Research Foundation - geodesic dome it was) I was so into that a multi-station radio owner offered me what would have been the first call-in show on the paranormal in the era of 1974. I was dating the top US FRNM psychic who a Scottish Prof told me was the equal of Ivanova and Nelya almost. She was a Ceremonial High Priestess of Majik or the Craft. She was the first of eight who have done possession infiltration on me. She later said she would use all her power to f*ck me over. Two or maybe three other such people have done worse (or better than her). One did something similar at night in a cabin we shared on my yacht. It was projection of a suffocating sort he often bragged about. I immediately knew where it was coming from and told him to stop - he said it was someone else doing it. He went on to do War Bottles and the Charm of Making as months went by before I sent him packing and laughed at his foolishness. Not to suggest that there was nothing real about the energy - it was powerful in every case.

If fully believing in life after death puts me down the rabbi hole then so be it :)

And to be fair you have absolutely no idea what I believe in apart from three labels that I have stated, so I have no idea how you have refuted anything.

Buy if that is what you believe then so be it ;)
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Yes, BELIEF will only start you down a rabbit hole - and you choose to label YOURSELF and limit your self. It is not me.
Did you not switch horses after reading Roll and others addressing Crookes?

You went from attacking the possibility of energy use in things far simpler than what is being done in science - to saying you are FULLY bought in on ego - which you previously said was the issue with any one saying energy can affect weather.

I am open (and do see) that you are more than you say you are. I think you do NOT fully believe what you say you do, and it is mere semantics, but correct me if I am wrong. If I am wrong you might explain why your ego will continue in the Afterlife. Do not quote Jung, or Moody and Kubler-Ross if you do that. They actually do not go that far. You can use Seth Speaks and others of your liking (Vivekananda for one) - there is merit in these considerations to be sure.
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Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it. Secure transactions via paypal.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 255 GBP )
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$ 70 - Raised
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28th August 2020

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