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TOPIC: Should children in the western world be taught about Moorish Slavery and the Barbary slave trade?

The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 25 May 2015 17:13 #1

I'm sick of all this Politically Correct blame the whitey Culture within Western Discourse. Lets get to the bottom of these lies and misconceptions. The fact is inter tribal war was rife and common place inside Africa, long before white people arrived. The African slave trades inside Africa also spurred the gradual expansion of slavery outside of Africa, which eventually became to be known as the transatlantic slave trade. The Trans-Saharan and East African Slave Trades existed way before white people set foot inside Africa. Slavery has existed in many parts of Africa for 1000's of years, especially in some of the earliest organized societies. Rival tribes would attack neighboring tribes, to steal the women or to sell people as slaves at human markets.

Indeed many black people themselves are already aware of this fact.

For the record I have no axe to grind against the African people themselves. I'm just sick of all this white collective guilt and Political Correctness that's being imposed on white people inside their own countries. white people are not collectively responsible for the slave trade, period. White people themselves have also been victims of slavery.

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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 27 May 2015 13:04 #4

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I came across this article:

The first recorded American slave owner was a black man.

''Many Americans think they know the history of slavery because it has been taught in schools, repeated
through popular films, and mentioned on numerous occasions by those in the media.

But here is something you probably didn’t know: The first recorded American slave owner was a black man.

Anthony Johnson came to colonial America in the 1600s. He worked as an indentured servant to a t
obacco farmer in Virginia. In colonial times servants typically worked under a contract of up to
seven years to pay off their passage, room and board, and then their “freedom dues”
materials they would need to start life as a free person.

They were then released after the contract expired, with many of the former servants receiving land and equipment.
This was the case for Anthony Johnson, who came to America under the name Antonio from Angola.

After his contract expired, he eventually received 250 acres of land. He then started a farm and enlisted the servitude
of four white men and one black, who was said to be his son Richard Johnson.

While these contracts did not make one a slave, the case of John Casor — a black servant Johnson
later acquired — would set a precedent and change that minor detail forever.

John Casor was working for Anthony Johnson on an indentured contract when he began seeking help
from outsiders, claiming that his contract had well expired but Johnson refused to release him.

A neighbor, Robert Parker, brought a civil case against Johnson, demanding Casor be released.
Parker intended to help Casor find another indenture contract.

The courts initially ruled in favor of Parker and demanded that Casor be released. Johnson did so, but
after stewing in his defeat, he appealed.

On March 8, 1655, the court of Northampton County upheld Johnson’s right to hold Casor as a slave,
stating in it’s ruling:

“This daye Anthony Johnson negro made his complaint to the court against mr. Robert Parker and declared
that hee deteyneth his servant John Casor negro under the pretence that said negro was a free man.
The court seriously consideringe and maturely weighing the premisses, doe fynde that the saide
Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master …
It is therefore the Judgement of the Court and ordered That the said John Casor Negro forthwith
returne unto the service of the said master Anthony Johnson, And that Mr. Robert Parker make
payment of all charges in the suit.”

This case marked the first time anyone who had not committed a crime was held as a slave for life, thus
making Anthony Johnson one of the first, if not the most notorious, slave owners

The problem with slavery is not a race problem, but a human problem. Greed, cowardice, and childishness
made Anthony Johnson and countless other slave owners commit such treacherous acts against humanity.

More schools should teach about the story of Anthony Johnson … but while they’re primarily funded by
the government, we don’t expect to see that happen soon.''
conservativetribune.com/1st-slave-owner-america/

Was the First Slave Owner African American?

''Our findings is that Anthony Johnson was in fact a black man that owned slaves,
but to call him the first slave owner in America would be a stretch.
If anything he owned the first slave declared a slave in a civil court of law.
There were however legally declared slaves for at least 15 years before him.
John Casor wasn’t the first slave in America and Anthony Johnson wasn’t the first slave owner,
slaves had been in America since 1619 When the first 20 Africans were sold to the
Jamestown Virginia Colony by a Dutch man of war [1].
The Case actually makes no mention of John Casor being declared a slave for life.
He did however stay with Johnson and his family until he died, so you could say he
was a servant for life.
15 years earlier in 1640, John Punch (owned by Hugh Gwyn, a white man) was the
first man documented as a slave in the Virginia Colony, sentenced to life in servitude
for attempting to escape his indenture. On July 9, 1640, members of the General Court
decided the punishment for three servants-a Dutchman, a Scotsman, and an African-who
ran away from their master as a group.
The proceedings reveal an example of interracial cooperation among servants at a time
when the colony’s leaders were starting to create legal differences between Europeans
and Africans. John Punch became the first African to be a slave for life by law in Virginia. [3]

Technically Sir George Yeardley (White British aristocrat) was Governor of Virginia in 1619
and according to John Rolfe “About the latter end of August, a Dutch man of Warr of the burden
of a 160 tunes arrived at Point-Comfort, the Comandors name Capt Jope, his Pilott for the
West Indies one Mr Marmaduke an Englishman. …
He brought not any thing but 20. and odd Negroes, w[hich] the Governo[r] and Cape Merchant bought for victuall. The year was 1619, and as an institution slavery did not yet exist in Virginia.”

Which would make him the first slave owner in America.

www.mythdebunk.com/first-slave-owner-african-american/

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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 27 May 2015 15:20 #5

^^The above article doesn't surprise me one bit. Black people have a long history of enslaving their own people. I don't say that out of any hatred towards black people either. I just take issue with pinning the slave trade on white people, when clearly black people exploited their own, and still do. White people were also enslaved and used as cheap labour on the plantations.
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 27 May 2015 22:35 #6

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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 07 Jun 2015 20:41 #7

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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 08 Feb 2016 23:53 #8

A FOCUS ON THE AFRICAN SLAVES IN THE ARAB WORLD

Over 28 Million Africans have been enslaved in the Muslim world during the past 14 centuries While much has been written concerning the Transatlantic slave trade, surprisingly little attention has been given to the Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean.

While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day. A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts.

While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.



While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Transsahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.



While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Transsahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth. It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

While Christian Reformers spearheaded the antislavery abolitionist movements in Europe and North America, and Great Britain mobilized her Navy, throughout most of the 19th Century, to intercept slave ships and set the captives free, there was no comparable opposition to slavery within the Muslim world.

Even after Britain outlawed the slave trade in 1807 and Europe abolished the slave trade in 1815, Muslim slave traders enslaved a further 2 million Africans. This despite vigorous British Naval activity and military intervention to limit the Muslim slave trade.

By some calculations the number of victims of the 14 centuries of Muslim slave trade could exceed 180 million. Nearly 100 years after President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in America, and 130 years after all slaves within the British Empire were set free by parliamentary decree, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, in 1962, and Mauritania in 1980, begrudgingly removed legalized slavery from their statute books.

And this only after international pressure was brought to bear. Today numerous international organizations document that slavery still continues in some Muslim countries.

Reports on slavery in Sudan, Mauritania for instance needs looking into. Recently, a former slave from the Nuba Mountains of Sudan, Mende Nazer, had her autobiography: "Slave: My True Story" published. Mende Nazer was an alleged slave in Sudan. She was made famous by her transfer to England to serve a diplomatic family.

Mende Nazer reports that she was abducted and sold into slavery in Sudan when she was a child of twelve or thirteen (she doesn't know when she was born). She lived in a village of the Karko Nuba in the Nuba mountains of Sudan with her family. The village was attacked one night. Mende fled with her family into the mountains.

She became separated from her family, and when a man caught her and told her he would protect her, she believed him. She had already seen people killed in front of her. The man told her to stay with a group of children.

Later, the raiders came and took all of the children to the town of Dilling, there the children were taken by families to serve as servants.
Mende also reports that she was taken by a woman from Khartoum whom she served for six or seven years. She had to do all the hard work of the household, and sleep on the floor of the garden shed.

She was never paid anything for her labor, and was frequently beaten. She wanted to leave, but had no money and nowhere to go, and was afraid to go to the police. The woman of the house said that she owned Mende, and called Mende her 'Abda', or slave.

Eventually Mende was sent to London to work as a domestic. After several months Mende escaped and claimed asylum. At first, the Home Office rejected her claim in October 2002. In November, the Home Office overturned its decision and granted Mende asylum. www.africanecho.co.uk/africanechonews5-sept29.html

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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 12:00 #9

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Isn't Whitey meant to be superior to the primitive savages they conquer and educate? In which case, doesn't that mean they should be held to higher standards than the slave-dealing savages, rather than taking on their people-trading ideas wholesale?

ps. "The Africans and Arabs did it first!" is no claim for leniency.
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 12:55 #10

Nothing at all in the way of condemnation for the Arabs and Muslims who enslaved millions, and to some degree continue to do so to this day. You don't fool anybody here but yourself. Your ''progressive'' anti-white double-think and moral double-standards are glaringly obvious for all to see. It's moronic in fact. Thanks to the ever-increasing awakening of Europeans, Politically Correct imbeciles like you will now become increasingly marginalised and shunned in the future. You ooze hatred of Europeans and their culture. It's doesn't fit the Politically Correct agenda to expose non-white criminality and brutality. you had better start getting used to it, as the PC that you try and mind-fuck other people with will increasingly be smashed in the coming years. There's some terrific scholars now emerging who cover the truth of the slave trade, which over the coming years will increasingly continue to go to a much wider viewing. Regardless of whether a PC inflicted regressive minions like you like it or not. :thumbup:
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Of course there is condemnation. It is inherent in the disapproval of my own supposedly superior whiteys doing it. I never for once bought the lie that us whites were doing it to improve their lot, rather than enslave them.
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 14:09 #12

Yeah sure you are. If you're white then my name is Jimmy Hill.

If you are white (not likely) then you're a pitiful self hating PC fool/tool..
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 14:55 #13

Great interview. Thanks for posting.
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 16:33 #14

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I'm sick of all this Politically Correct blame the whitey Culture within Western Discourse. Lets get to the bottom of these lies and misconceptions. The fact is inter tribal war was rife and common place inside Africa, long before white people arrived. The African slave trades inside Africa also spurred the gradual expansion of slavery outside of Africa, which eventually became to be known as the transatlantic slave trade. The Trans-Saharan and East African Slave Trades existed way before white people set foot inside Africa. Slavery has existed in many parts of Africa for 1000's of years, especially in some of the earliest organized societies. Rival tribes would attack neighboring tribes, to steal the women or to sell people as slaves at human markets.

Indeed many black people themselves are already aware of this fact.

For the record I have no axe to grind against the African people themselves. I'm just sick of all this white collective guilt and Political Correctness that's being imposed on white people inside their own countries. white people are not collectively responsible for the slave trade, period. White people themselves have also been victims of slavery.

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White people have been enslaved for sure as have black people.
Two wrongs don't make a right though. Ultimately the people responsible for slave trading are slave traders and their customers. That kinda rules out most people black or white because most people don't sell or buy slaves nor ever did.
Here in England the National Curriculum for schools looks at slavery in context focusing politically on Wilberforce and the abolitionists and economocally on the economics of the triangular trade. Most people look upon modern politicians 'apologising' for their city's part in the slave trade ( as the Mayor of Bristol did a couple of years ago) - as self-serving twonks. No change there really as that's how most politicians are viewed by most people most of the time. The slave trade was ( and is) foul but there is not, nor can ever be; some sort of 'collective guilt' for it.
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Yeah sure you are. If you're white then my name is Jimmy Hill.

If you are white (not likely) then you're a pitiful self hating PC fool/tool..

If you can post on the Sanctum Zone, ask wake_up_bomb how non-white I am, or whether I came across as particularly PC when I turned up in Leeds for a DIF forum meet up.
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The History Of African Tribal Wars & The Black On Black Slave Trade Inside Africa 09 Feb 2016 18:29 #16

Hollow talk. You are a PC clown. That's judged on your extensive history of proving yourself as nothing else but.
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That's just your opinion, man.
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Conspiracy of Silence’ on Arab Slave Trade

Gordon decries a “conspiracy of silence. . .[that] has blocked out all light on this sensitive subject.” Among scholars in the Arab world, the author points out, “No moral opprobrium has clung to slavery since it was sanctioned by the Koran and enjoyed an undisputed place in Arab society.”

The book starts out with a brief outline of the growth of the Islamic attitude toward slavery. There is no evidence that Muhammad sought to abolish slavery, notes Gordon, although he urged slave-owners to treat their slaves well and grant them freedom as a meritorious deed.

“Some Muslim scholars have taken this to mean that his true motive was to bring about a gradual elimination of slavery. Far more persuasive is the argument that by lending the moral authority of Islam to slavery, Muhammad assured its legitimacy. Thus, in lightening the fetter, he riveted it ever more firmly in place.”

High Rate of Black African Casualties

One particularly brutal practice was the mutilation of young African boys, sometimes no more than 9 or ten years old, to create eunuchs, who brought a higher price in the slave markets of the Middle East. Slave traders often created “eunuch stations” along the major African slave routes where the necessary surgery was performed in unsanitary conditions. Gordon estimates that only one out of every 10 boys subjected to the mutilation actually survived the surgery.

The taking of slaves – in razzias, or raids, on peaceful African villages – also had a high casualty rate. Gordon notes that the typical practice was to conduct a pre-dawn raid on an unsuspecting village and kill off as many of the men and older women as possible. Young women and children were then abducted as the preferred “booty” for the raiders.

Young women were targeted because of their value as concubines or sex slaves in markets. “The most common and enduring purpose for acquiring slaves in the Arab world was to exploit them for sexual purposes,” writes Gordon. “These women were nothing less than sexual objects who, with some limitations, were expected to make themselves available to their owners. . .Islamic law, as already noted, catered to the sexual interests of a man by allowing him to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as his purse allowed.” Young women and girls were often “inspected” before purchase in private areas of the slave market by the prospective buyer.

Racism Toward Black Africans

Some of Gordon’s research disputes the oft-repeated charge that racism did not play a part in Islamic slave society. While it is true that the Muslims of the Middle East took slaves of all colors and ethnicities, they considered white slaves more valuable than black ones and developed racist attitudes toward the darker skinned people.

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?”

Gordon covers the Arab/African slave trades up until the mid-20th Century, noting that Saudi Arabia only abolished the practice in the early 1960s. Unlike the European nations and the USA, the Arab nations did not abolish African slavery voluntarily out of moral conscience, but due to considerable economic and military pressure applied by the great colonial powers of time, France and Britain. Slavery is still practiced in two Islamic nations: The Sudan and Mauritania.

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I haven't seen any self-respecting truth seekers claiming that whites invented slavery, or were its only practitioners, so what exactly is the point of this thread?
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