TOPIC: This Is National Socialism

If only

Reality check post.
Axis lost.
Allies won.
National Socialism didn't last very long at all in Germany.
Basically it didn't work.
The NSDAP had some super economic ideas in the early days, they were socialists.
It all went tits up once Nationalism supplanted socialism as the central plank of their policies.

The fact Germany had some 4 million tons of bombs in a 6 year period dropped onto it's cities (mainly it's civilian populations) might have something to do with National Socialism ''Not working.''

and how many millions of tons of bombs did the Nazis drop?
how many millions died in their acts of aggression?

War sucks.

Zorro wrote:
Yep war is a bastard and no mistake.
Factor out civilian bombings on both sides though and look at the battles the Allies and Axis engaged each other.
It's still a 'win' for the allies.
Fess up buddy your lads were a bit shit all told.

GMP wrote:
It was a win for the Jewish Money Power. EVERYONE else lost

rodin wrote:
Exactly.

Yesterday, in Holland in which we hold 2 minutes silence every year for 'the people who died for our freedom' during WW II for "Liberation-day" which is today every 5th of May.

It's just part of the brainwashing spectacle that 'tyranny has been overwon' and 'never again'... also lots of WW II movies, documentaries and series playing these days.

Well.. there have been 65 wars since 1945 and Cultural Marxism is running RAMPANT in the west. Too bad all those soldiers of the allied forces have died for the wrong cause, as they were all brainwashed on massive scale, thinking they were doing the right thing.

When I was a soldier stationed in Germany with the British Army On the Rhine ( BAOR) - we used to have monthly 'political education' lectures.
You had to attend.
All those lectures were about 'The Soviet Threat'.
That was back in the late 60s and early 70s when the 'cold war' was on.
No way did we get any Marxist indoctrination it was all 'against' Marxism, Communism and the Russian 'menace'.

GMP wrote:
Apparently it didn't really work for you by the looks of your avatar.

GMP wrote:
Fake enemy, fake weapons, all sides under Jewish control... just like now....

Flare wrote:
LOL
I like to keep an open mind.
I'm not a Marxist- Leninist BTW my avatar I pinched from Gremlin on DIF and used here for shits n giggles.
I'm a card carrying Co- Operative Party ( UK) member.
The Co- Op Party advised the ( then socialist) NSDAP back in the early 1930s.
After the army I went through nursing school then university.
Every other lecturer at the uni was a Marxist so I had to sit through exactly the opposite political lectures to those I'd endured in the army.
They were all BS.

Is it Time for the Rehabilitation of National Socialism?




There are many forms of nationalism that have evolved to meet a variety of needs throughout history and depending upon one’s perspective and the circumstances prevailing at the time, they have been variously viewed as: heroic liberating movements, at one end of the scale; as movements of oppression and genocide at the other extreme; and every shade in between. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say.

In Germany during the 1930s, racial nationalism in the form of German National Socialism, came to be regarded by ethnic Germans as a movement of heroic liberation from the oppressive conditions that had been imposed upon Germany following her defeat during World War One. Furthermore, as the Wehrmacht later advanced across the Soviet Union during the early years of World War Two, the German conquerors were regarded by many Ukrainians and ethnic Germans living under Communist oppression in Russia, as liberators and their arrival seen as a cause for celebration.

Since the end of World War Two however, mainstream liberal and left-wing political reactions to the horrors of that conflict have caused German National Socialism, and by implication all forms of European racial nationalism, to be regarded as oppressive and inherently genocidal in nature.

Since World War Two, German National Socialism has been widely portrayed, throughout the mass media of the West and through our education systems, as the epitome of evil: as an ideology positing the German people as a ‘master race’; as an ideology intent upon world conquest; as an ideology designating all non-White races and all non-Germanic peoples as sub-human; and as an ideology hell bent on physically exterminating those supposedly sub-human peoples, together with every last vestige of their cultures, in the most depraved and barbaric fashion.

Wehrmacht Soldiers Bandaging Wounded WomanAs a consequence, we routinely encounter stories that the German people under National Socialism, created concentration camps in which enemies of their regime, together with prisoners of war and people from all minority groups, most especially the Jews, were subjected to imprisonment, slavery, starvation, non-consensual medical experimentation, beatings, torture, summary execution for the most trivial reasons, and of course genocide by gassing in specially converted lorries and buildings and gas chambers, specially constructed for the purpose. Furthermore it has been alleged that the Germans made soap from the bodies of the people they had murdered, shrunken heads, ashtrays from the skulls of their victims and lampshades from their skin.

Despite this demonising of the National Socialist regime, there have ever since the end of World War Two been a minority of German people who have denied the worst of these allegations as wartime propaganda fabrications that have been perpetuated for political reasons, and members of this German minority have been prepared to go to prison under laws enacted to make so-called ‘Holocaust denial’ illegal. Indeed, not only have a minority of Germans been prepared to speak out in this way, but so too have an increasing number of individuals, predominantly from other European countries, and as time has passed, certain of the more grotesque allegations, which were at one time regarded as true, have since been recognised as absurd untruths — as wartime black propaganda fabrications, of the sort that this minority of Germans and others have claimed all along.

No-one now asserts that the Germans made soap, or shrunken heads, or ashtrays, or lampshades from the bodies of people they are alleged to have murdered. In an age when DNA testing is widely available, it is no longer credible to maintain these fictions.

Wehrmacht Soldier on Mototbike Speaks to WomenFurthermore, whereas it was once claimed that every German concentration camp was the site of genocidal gassings, such claims have since been scaled down, such that only those camps that were during the post-war period inaccessible to Western academics — those located in Eastern Europe – are now claimed to have been ‘Death Camps’, and the camps that were easily available for inspection by Western academics have been downgraded to the status of mere forced labour camps. The reason for this scaling down being the obvious absence of any large gas chambers capable of being used for anything other than the routine fumigation of clothing to eradicate lice and other disease bearing agents.

Also, whereas it was once claimed that three-million of the alleged six-million Jews murdered by the Germans were killed at Auschwitz in Poland, despite the existence of German camp records showing a total of approximately 70,000 deaths, approximately 29,000 of which were Jews, the Polish authorities have since revised the claimed total number of victims at Auschwitz down to just 1.1 million.

All of these developments have tended to draw the World War Two narrative regarding the oppressive and allegedly genocidal nature of German National Socialism closer to the assertions of the German minority referred to earlier, and it is a great pity therefore that many European countries, including Germany, persist in retaining laws that are obviously now outmoded, discredited and iniquitous, outlawing critical examination of the facts surrounding the so-called Holocaust.

These laws were implemented in order to demonstrate that war crimes allegedly committed by the Germans, were so demonstrably heinous, that no-one should ever be allowed to question the damning allegations made by the victorious Allies and Jewish survivors. Such an assertion however is no longer credible and the retention of these laws is increasingly being seen as a desperate politically motivated attempt to suppress the truth, to deny freedom of enquiry and to deny freedom of speech.

Undoubtedly, large numbers of people did die in ghastly conditions in the German concentration camps which were predominantly forced labour camps, and this should not be overlooked, but so did large numbers of Germans, both prisoners of war and civilians die in ghastly conditions in Allied concentration camps and forced labour camps towards the end of World War Two and after.

Wehrmacht Boy SoldiersTwo wrongs don’t make a right, but as the victors in World War Two, the Allies have applied a double standard in their dealings with the issue of war crimes. War crimes allegedly committed by the Germans have been accepted almost without question as the gospel truth, no matter how far-fetched or exaggerated they appear. The Germans have been defamed as a result, and National Socialism as an ideology has been made taboo, whereas war crimes allegedly committed by the Allies, which are in many cases directly comparable to those alleged against the Germans, have in the majority of cases never been officially recognised, let alone properly investigated.

War is a ghastly process in which two opposing sides inflict violence upon each other with the intention or terrorising their opponent into submission or else destroying them utterly.

No side emerges with clean hands from a war, particularly a war on the scale of the two World Wars of the last century. The desperate and ghastly nature of warfare means that inevitably so-called war crimes are committed, as we humans are not able to remain dispassionate in situations in which we see our comrades injured and dying all around us, and human nature being what it is, some degree of hot-headed retribution, unjustifiable in the cold light of day, is always summarily visited upon the vanquished. Read more Here

nationalism sucks.
it turns people into bigots and paranoid fools.

Perhaps that is a rational response when you have people not of your nation manipulating and poking their NOSES into your business. When interests other than your own interest controls your currency, its value etc., that is maddening.

I thought these excerpted comments - and some of the following as well - are worth being posted on this thread:




PFIZIPFEI wrote: truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html#208875



Flare wrote: truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/67078-excerpts-of-zorro-a-moderator-who-abuses-his-entrusted-position.html#208894

Voltaire wrote:
Maybe National Socialism was a rational response to those conditions you describe back in Germany during the 1930s.
Could it be the same today though when we still have very similar circumstances in the Euro zone?
I doubt that because National Socialism has such a bad reputation.
For sure there's a rise in the far right but the serious far right contenders distance themselves from National Socialism to avoid being branded Nazis.
AfD seems to me to have some sound economic ideas plus an appeal to those who are fed up with the status quo.
AfD is pretty far to the right but deffo not 'National Socialist'.
Early NSDAP economics were well to the left as far as Co-Operative principles went and IMO quite sound.
Sadly the early economic 'steer' was subsumed as the party grew into greater power.
AfD strikes me as an old order 'Thatcherite' conservative cause, none the worse for that as far as attracting votes is concerned.

I need to try to understand what this very intelligent guy is saying by listening again

www.dailystormer.com/aryan-insights-kurt-roemer-national-socialist-economics-for-the-modern-world/

When he came up with his model he did not identify as a nationalist - he just saw the model as being best for the people.

His site (which so far is beyond my comprehension of the material)

Kurt Roemer's economic model is no way 'new' it is in fact classical Marxism with an added dash of state-socialist ( Stalin era) imagining.
It doesn't actually 'work' outside of the paper it is written on.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs- As DEFINED BY THE STATE."
Romer plagiarises Marx's Labour Theory of Value...
www.marxist.com/in-defence-of-ltv.htm
...to put an n value on 'leisure' time.
page 18 here..
www.sfecon.com/Economic%20Calculation.pdf
Equating that to 1-hour of work 'buys' one hour of leisure.
Hence everyone takes the same leisure for the same cost.
Bit tough if you enjoy expensive hobbies such as flying planes for fun, not so bad if you enjoy relatively inexpensive pastimes such as birdwatching.
Romer dresses up his ideas in lots of opaque symbolic logic.
( NOT equations, they are pictorial 'thoughts' represented as symbols rather than written in words).
Easiest way in is page 22 here...
www.sfecon.com/Economic%20Calculation.pdf
The old communist 'water wheel' image of how the socialist economy best 'flows'.
That is by the state owning all the water, plus the river bed PLUS the state controlling all the egress points for and usages of the water ( which represents money flowing through the system).
It's been tried before and it failed because people are far too messy and independent minded to be constrained by statist models.
Some fecker ( usually a party member) is sure to set up his own unofficial water wheel somewhere along the system then creaming off a slice of the action for himself and his chums.
Others will dip their buckets into the water as and when they can.
Entrepreneurial,sorts will get together and build their own canals and water wheels unless the State stops them which it will try to do but , eventually fail - ( see 'Stalin's Kolkhoz' here... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan_(Soviet_Union).
Those 'co-operative' owned and run water wheels share out the profits amongst members whereas all the State's ever-diminishing water-wheel profits go to the state.
Every enterprising peasant along the water courses in remote areas is also busy building their own water wheel in hopes that the KGB don't come a calling to smash it up and consign them to Siberia.
Eventually the State-run water ( money supply) dries up and capitalism and or co-operativism takes over cos those models actually work.
Everybody is free to do what they want with the water ( the money they have earned or been given via welfare) in their own buckets without state sanction but with the state taking a cup full or two of water out of each bucket to fund state projects such as paying for welfare.
Hope that helps Voltaire