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TOPIC: Collectivism vs. Individualism

Collectivism vs. Individualism 09 Jun 2016 23:20 #1

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Individualism is one of the greatest problems of our time, as it is one of the main ingredients for breakdown of a society.

In our Western world, people have become very individualistic... but if we take a look at the muslims for example, they are collectivists.

Compare these groups with 2 teams who have to play a game of football... who do you think will win?
The group playing as a collective? Or the group playing as individuals?
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 09 Jun 2016 23:50 #2

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we are, all of us, individuals.
"group think" is ludicrous.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:06 #3

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bd wrote:
we are, all of us, individuals.
"group think" is ludicrous.

So who will win in the football match you think?

The team playing as a collective, or the team playing as individuals?
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:12 #4

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"life" is not a team sport.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:21 #5

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bd wrote:
"life" is not a team sport.

It should be, as on your own you are nothing.

As a collective you are everything.

Just take a look at what the Germans accomplished in only 6 years time when they started acting as a collective.
They came from the gutter of bankruptcy and transformed their country into THE world's superpower in that timespan, while the rest of the world was in heavy recession. (!!)

Nothing like that had been seen before and ever again.
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:40 #6

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Flare of course again painting a false dichotomy. Individualism doesn't say anything about cooperation or not.

Individualism = respect for the differences between individual people
Collectivism = disrespect for the differences and tries them to mold into some "collective"

Ask a successful businessman (or football coach) what team is more successful;
Team A where each individual is assessed to his/her abilities and gets to work in that field he/she is good at
Team B where all of the individuals are molded into some non-existent collectivist crap; goal keepers need to become strikers and Lionel Messi is defending the goal. :facepalm:

By far the biggest nightmare regimes and constructs in the world sprouted from collectivism: communism, stalinism, (national-)socialism, polpottism, maoism, NorthKoreanism, islamism, feminism, racial supremacism, zionism (!).
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:47 #7

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^



He doesn't agree with you.
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 00:52 #8

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Flare wrote:
^

<-stupid Hitler quote->

He doesn't agree with you.

No wonder I disagree with him and his filthy regime. :facepalm:

You may be a Melophorus bagoti, I am a Homo sapiens.
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 01:03 #9

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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 01:10 #10

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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 01:13 #11

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Flare wrote:
Faster pace of life has more to do with climate zones and urbanisation.
Heart attack rates are related to diet mostly.

The last point is exactly one of the main reasons why collectivism is so horrible; it goes against rationality.

The second point shows a typo; at the right it should read "independent". Great author of this unreferenced image. Great choice, Flare, your Führer will be proud. :thumbup:
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 01:15 #12

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I believe there is a time and place for collectivism, but I believe the individual is far more important. I believe the individual constitutes a viewpoint in this universe that cannot be duplicated by anything else.

I also believe the ability to create belongs exclusively to the individual, NOT the group. It exists in the imagination of the individual prior to it being manifest in the physical. No two individuals can have the same thought at the same time. Hence, the uniqueness of the individual as opposed to the group.
Birth is not a beginning; death is not an end. There is existence without limitation; there is continuity without a starting point.” ~ Chuang Tzu
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 01:27 #13

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Gaia wrote:
Flare wrote:
Faster pace of life has more to do with climate zones and urbanisation.
Heart attack rates are related to diet mostly.

The last point is exactly one of the main reasons why collectivism is so horrible; it goes against rationality.

The second point shows a typo; at the right it should read "independent". Great author of this unreferenced image. Great choice, Flare, your Führer will be proud. :thumbup:

Last Edit: 11 Jun 2016 06:43 by novum.
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 02:18 #14

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Collectivism is a system, it's not people's behaviour.

Helping each other, cooperation, group activities is not collectivism. Collectivism is a system imposed by governments.

A social country with strong roots in catholicism doesn't mean it's collectivist.

You try to pin something on me which is ridiculous and stupid. But I know that in your simple mind this doesn't fit. The attic autist knows the world from his JewTube "experience" MUCH better than people who travel around the world and experience things with their own eyes. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 02:41 #15

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Well Gaia, as it seems you think one of the most collective places on earth is the best place out of all 60 countries you've been...

Then I know a place which was even better :D





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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 02:59 #16

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Gaia wrote:
Collectivism is a system, it's not people's behaviour.

Helping each other, cooperation, group activities is not collectivism. Collectivism is a system imposed by governments.

A social country with strong roots in catholicism doesn't mean it's collectivist.

You try to pin something on me which is ridiculous and stupid. But I know that in your simple mind this doesn't fit. The attic autist knows the world from his JewTube "experience" MUCH better than people who travel around the world and experience things with their own eyes. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Ah, yea... once again it doesn't fit your narrative so you just bend and twist it so it eventually will do. :larf:

Maybe you should email the professor on the site and tell him that you disagree with him regarding the meaning of 'collectivism'. :D

Here he is: geert-hofstede.com/geert-hofstede.html
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 17:31 #17

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A collection of individuals can get a lot more done than can one individual when they all agree to work towards a mutually agreed objective.
That's NOT 'group think' it is neighbourliness.
Villagers here give up a few hours each week to clean litter plus flotsam and jetsam off the beach.
Same goes for keeping footpaths clear of weeds and branches.
It's fune and we achieve something.
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 17:48 #18

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GMP wrote:
A collection of individuals can get a lot more done than can one individual when they all agree to work towards a mutually agreed objective.
That's NOT 'group think' it is neighbourliness.
Villagers here give up a few hours each week to clean litter plus flotsam and jetsam off the beach.
Same goes for keeping footpaths clear of weeds and branches.
It's fune and we achieve something.
:)

No nation has ever accomplished what Germany did between 1933 - 1939.

At the end of the war in 1945, however destroyed, they were about 50 - 75 years ahead of time on the rest of the world.

That shows that collectivism is the way to go.

Doesn't mean everyone must be stripped from their freedom and free thinking. As it wasn't force, terror or retribution, but it
was the Truth about the world they lived in which united the Germans.

And they were taught to care for their nation (National) and to care for the people around them. (Socialism)
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 17:55 #19

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flare's ideal world sees everybody mindlessly goose-stepping to rousing military band music.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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Collectivism vs. Individualism 10 Jun 2016 18:13 #20

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^ Way better than what kind of cesspool we have nowadays.

And the people weren't mindless back then; they knew exactly what they were dealing with in the world.

It was clear for them that democracy didn't work as that system is set up to divide & conquer the people.
So they decided to unite under National Socialism, which is the best and most modern political system ever devised.

However, the Zionists did not agree with Germany freeing itself from their system and decided to destroy Germany for it.
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