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TOPIC: Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea

Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 12:14 #1

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First of all, ''Ethno-Nationalism'' is deeply woven into the very notion of the Nation-state. The Greek word ethnos, is often translated as Nation, and the idea of a people being tightly linked together. Fast forward to the modern day where ''progressives'' sought to change the language and redraw the map of Europe after WWII. Europeans are now being denied their rights to develop their own Nations ''autonomously.''



Even if all immigration, legal or illegal, was stopped immediately, White people would still become a minority in the Western World by the end of the century. Or perhaps even sooner?

It has already been reported by various Census Bureau's that the majority of children born in the United States are now non-White. Thus, any future efforts to restrict or stop immigration alone would be meaningless. Even if all immigration was halted overnight, it would only mean the demographic destiny of the Western World be delayed by a couple of decades. We could stop immigration and nevertheless still lose the Western World due to birth rates alone. We shouldn’t be focusing alone on future dates when whites will become a minority. We are already at that crisis point right now, we are well past the point of no return with regards to immigration reform.

People of European ancestry, whether we be Spanish, Swedish, Greek, English, German, Italian, Eastern European, or whatever, we need our own living space, a place we can call home. Somewhere which is free from all the pervasive white guilt that now infects much of the Western World. The ''multicultural'' utopian dream of living together ''as one'', has not worked out well at all. Especially for the people of European ancestry.

''Ethno-nationalism'' asserts that we as European citizens first and foremost are protected in our own homelands from any hostile outsiders, or any policies that are hostile or detrimental to the well being of the people. In other words our rights to self determination are protected and upheld. Furthermore this idea does not imply any hostility toward people from other countries, neither should Ethno-Nationalism just apply to white Nationalism.

It simply means that our own governments are first and foremost tasked with protecting the well-being and liberty of the people they serve. For example if the Globalists seek to flood the Western world with low IQ cheap labour from the third world, thus lowering our own living standards and effecting the National demographics & racial make-up of Western civilization, they are betraying the people of the Western World, especially when unemployment is already running so high. A government of the people under a Ethno-Nationalist state would be bound by duty and by law to prevent this from happening.

Why is any of the above considered by so many as such a bad idea, or as a ''racist'' idea? Surely the notion of a people upholding their right to self determination and their right to decide the destiny of the civilization that their ancestors built and protected for millennia is a noble idea.
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Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 12:49 #2

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Everyone has an excuse for why Japan can stay homogeneous but European people can't have an ethno-state.
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Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 14:31 #3

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Good comment, Ironwand. I mostly agree with what you said and only want to add a few annotations.



Ironwand wrote:
First of all, ''Ethno-Nationalism'' is deeply woven into the very notion of the Nation-state. The Greek word ethnos, is often translated as Nation, and the idea of a people being tightly linked together. Fast forward to the modern day where ''progressives'' sought to change the language and redraw the map of Europe after WWII. Europeans are now being denied their rights to develop their own Nations ''autonomously.''


Reminded me of this:

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Primordialism




Primordialism or perennialism is the argument which contends that nations are ancient, natural phenomena.

Primordialism can be traced philosophically to the ideas of German Romanticism, particularly in the works of Johann Gottlieb Fichte and Johann Gottfried Herder. For Herder, the nation was synonymous with language group. In Herder's thinking, language was synonymous with thought, and as each language was learnt in community, then each community must think differently. This also suggests that the community would hold a fixed nature over time.

Primordialism encountered enormous criticism after the Second World War, with a few scholars of nationalism coming to treat the nation as a community constructed by the technologies and politics of modernity.



:beat:


The German ziopedia article is pure freudian brainwashing for the "kraut"-slaves: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordialism (English)
Context: truth-zone.net/forum/europa-the-rise-of-nationalism-general-discussion/65985-a-new-dawn-of-europa-the-rise-of-nationalism.html?start=140#234788



Why did you put autonomously in quotation marks?

Most probably to distinguish it from complete autonomy, autarchy?



Ironwand wrote:
Even if all immigration, legal or illegal, was stopped immediately, White people would still become a minority in the Western World by the end of the century. Or perhaps even sooner?


Much sooner, according to my perception, because we can't trust system statistics and because it's on their agenda.



Ironwand wrote:
People of European ancestry, whether we be Spanish, Swedish, Greek, English, German, Italian, Eastern European, or whatever, need our own living space, a place we can call or home. Somewhere which is free from all the pervasive white guilt that now infects much of the Western World. The ''multicultural'' utopian dream of living together ''as one'', has not worked out well at all. Especially for the people of European ancestry.


The plan has worked out perfectly well up to now - for those who concockted it!
This is war against all white people in earth.




Ironwand wrote:
It simply means that our own governments are first and foremost tasked with protecting the well-being and liberty of the people they serve.


Therefore I don't call them "our" governments, atm. They aren't.
They are puppet governments, installed by the eternal destroyers, foes of the people who they should serve,
according to the original meaning of "democracy". The contrary is true.
This has to be stopped, but how exactly?



Ironwand wrote:
For example if the Globalists seek to flood the Western world with low IQ cheap labour from the third world, thus lowering our own living standards and effecting the National demographics & racial make-up of Western civilization, they are betraying the people of the Western World, especially when unemployment is already running so high. A government of the people under an Ethno-Nationanalist state would be bound by duty and by law to prevent this from happening.


They have done it to perfection already, the flooding of Europe.
They are not betraying us, we are their enemies!
This is war! They openly declared war on the peoples of Europe.
Let alone the fact that WWII actually never ended. No peace treaty
with Germany! The country is still occupied after 72 years!
The Germans have no constitution!

What kind of "government of the people" are you suggesting?



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Why is any of the above considered by so many as such a bad idea, or as a ''racist'' idea? Surely the notion of a people upholding their right to self determination and their right to decide the destiny of the civilization that their ancestors built and protected for millennia is a noble idea.


This must be a rhetorical question, for it's absolutely clear, at least to me, why this would end just like
last time, when a country tried to free itself from usury and debt slavery and tried to become autonomous.

"living space" = Lebensraum

As long as this world is in the grip of the eternal destroyers, as long as their lethal, worldwide money power is not broken,
as long as their system, that lies in its death throes is still working, because the majority of the slaves is still working for them,
no new system can be established.

This task has to be a common effort, because if one country stands alone against the rest of the world, every attempt
to reach freedom, will be responded with force of arms in the most brutal and horrible, scorched earth way again.

Jmho.
"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

Johannes Lang "The Hollow World Theory" Blog
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Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 14:59 #4

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The word autonomously was put in quotation marks to clarify the word, and not to try and suggest in anyway that no such thing exists. Of course autonomy exists. Europe was an autonomous continent for thousands of years, and from it's very foundation. That is until recent decades before the Nation wreckers sought to destroy European sovereignty.

The other point was, of course, a rhetorical question. It remains quite clear why they are trying to destroy Europe and it's people.
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Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 15:34 #5

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Jonathan Bowden - from his talk, 'Western Civilization Bites Back'




Multiculturalism and the Racialization of Politics in the United States, by Kevin MacDonald:

Loyalty to the group, sacrifice for it, hatred and contempt for outsiders, brotherhood within, warlikeness without—all grow together, common products of the same situation. It is sanctified by connection with religion. Men of an others-group are outsiders with whose ancestors the ancestors of the we-group waged war. . . . Each group nourishes its own pride and vanity, boasts itself superior, exalts its own divinities, and looks with contempt on outsiders. Each group thinks its own folkways the only right ones, and if it observes that other groups have other folkways, these excite its scorn.

This essentially states that for humans, identifying as a member of an ingroup is a source of conflict with other groups. We are all aware that around the world there are many countries that are engulfed in conflict stemming from religious and ethnic differences—from different social identities. Right now the civil war in Syria is a good example, pitting Sunnis against Shiites, and within these larger groupings there are particular ethnic groups, such as Alewites, Arabs, Kurds, Druze, and Assyrians. Azerbaijan is no stranger to ethnic conflict, as in the war with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh.

In Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, American military interventions were justified to the American people and to the world in moral terms — as promoting democracy and human rights. However, the results have done nothing to reduce the ethnic and religious divisions within these societies, and there is no end in sight for armed conflict and terrorism. After 10 years of occupation by American forces, we read about daily bombings in Iraq in which dozens of people die.

Nevertheless, the ideology that multiculturalism is a superior form of social organization is dominant among American elites and throughout the West with the result that these societies are actively seeking to have increasing ethnic diversity. Those of us who oppose this policy are labeled as “racists” and “haters,” but the belief that increasing diversity is linked to greater conflict is well established by scientific research.

There has been a substantial amount of psychological research related to groups. A study by Sherif et al. is classic. They found that when randomly chosen groups of boys engaged in between-group competition, group membership became an important aspect of personal identity. The groups developed negative stereotypes of each other and were transformed into groups of “wicked, disturbed, and vicious” children.

Remember, these groups were randomly chosen and therefore much less emotionally compelling than naturally occurring ethnic or religious groups where people are born into them and have a long history of being socialized within the group. It’s clear from this study that fear and dislike of outgroups are easily developed.

Social identity research shows that people are highly prone to identifying themselves with groups. There is a tendency to conceptualize both ingroups and especially outgroups as more homogeneous than they really are. That is, we ignore differences among outgroup members and we exaggerate their negative qualities. The stereotypic behavior and attitudes of the ingroup are positively valued, while outgroup behavior and attitudes are negatively valued.

The result of these categorization processes is discrimination in favor of the ingroup; beliefs in the superiority of the ingroup and inferiority of the outgroup; and positive emotional preference for the ingroup and negative feelings directed toward the outgroup. We see these things even in randomly constructed groups, but these tendencies toward ingroup cohesiveness and devaluation of the outgroup are exacerbated by real conflicts of interest between naturally occurring groups.

These studies attest to the power of “groupness” in the human mind—the tendency for even the most randomly constructed groups to elicit discrimination against outgroups. The implication is that ethnic- and religious-based groups, which are not at all randomly constructed, have much stronger tendencies toward negative attitudes toward outgroups.

As an evolutionary psychologist, I have described several sources of evidence that social identity processes are a universal feature of the human mind.

Social identity processes also are exacerbated in times of resource competition or other perceived sources of threat. This has grave implications for ethnically and religiously divided societies. Relations between groups may be fine when economic prospects are good for everyone, but in times of crisis there is competition between groups for resources. Anthropological research on pre-state societies has found that “hard times” and expanding populations are often associated with warfare. On the other hand, external threats tend to reduce internal divisions and maximize perceptions of common interest among ingroup members.

It is one thing to encourage multiculturalism in a society with a large and stable ethnic majority. I am all for treating minorities equitably and without discrimination. There is no question that legal prohibitions and mass media messages can have the effect of blunting the most extreme forms of intergroup conflict and hostility resulting from social identity processes.

However, it is quite another thing to encourage multiculturalism as an ideology of mass immigration that will make the former majority into a minority. Under these circumstances, the majority will be rightly concerned about loss of sovereignty and fear of domination by other groups.

This bears emphasis. Throughout many parts of the world, particularly in the Middle East, there are multiethnic societies. In many cases these groups have lived together for hundreds of years, not always harmoniously but far more commonly in relationships of dominance and subordination. In the contemporary world, we see some of the governments of such societies loudly proclaiming their commitment to multiculturalism and their historical diversity. For example, Azerbaijan speaks proudly of its commitment to peaceful tolerance of non-Azeri ethnic groups. But no Azeri would advocate an immigration policy that would admit other peoples so that the Azeri majority would become a minority. Recently, Azerbaijan has announced that it will pursue any and all means to regain the Nagorno-Karabakh region taken by Armenia 20 years ago. One million Azerbaijanis left the area rather than be ruled by the Armenians. For their part, the Armenians have destroyed historical monuments and other cultural remnants of the Azeri presence in the area. These Azeris have implicitly rejected a multicultural solution in which they would be a majority dominated by an Armenian minority—for good reason. www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/11/multiculturalism-and-the-racialization-of-politics-in-the-united-states/
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Ethno-Nationalism As A Noble Idea 16 Mar 2017 16:38 #6

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Excellent OP Iron Wand-
Thanks for posting.
Ethno-Nationalism is a bit of a mouthful though.
You need a zestier title for a new political movement.
Populism is currently on the rise.
We live in an entirely white, vast majority English and homogenous community.
Handful of Scots, couple of Irish and one Welsh bastard.
This is an elective 'white flight' coast and we like it that way.
Problem arises though in big towns and cities.
Where do you find enough white folks to do those shitty jobs that white people really do not like to do?
I reckon there will always be a need for swarthy cheap labour type coves in some places.
Totally agree with your steer though.
For me and most folk who voted with feet and wallets to live around these pleasant parts - 'wogs begin at Calais'.
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There is a good reason why more and more white people are now rejecting so called ''diversity'' and ''multiculturalism.''

Nationalism is on the steep rise, and not because white people are hostile or racist, but because white people are now beginning to realise for themselves that migrants are often the one's who are racist and hostile. It's not white people who are Politically active trying to overthrow black majorities in non-white countries. Plenty of non-whites are politically active inside white countries busy trying to put whites at a disadvantage though, and busy supporting open border Policies against whites, which will eventually lead to white people becoming the minority inside their own ancestral homelands.

Does anybody truly believe that these radicals aren't also fully aware of what they're doing? How naive can you get.




No Campus for White Men shines a bright light on the growing obsession with diversity, victimization and identity politics on today's college campuses, and shows how it is creating an intensely hostile and fearful atmosphere that can only lead, ultimately, to ever greater polarization in American society.

Across the country, ugly campus protests over speakers with dissenting viewpoints, as well as a preoccupation with micro-aggressions, "trigger warnings," "safe spaces," and brand-new "gender identities," make it obvious that something has gone terribly wrong with higher education. For years, colleges have pursued policies favoring students based not on their merit, but on their race, gender, and sexual orientation. The disturbingly negative effects of this culture are now impossible to deny.


No Campus (Or Country) for White Men

Does anyone remember my column of nine years ago called “Letter of Termination to the White Race?” I don’t believe we know who really wrote this letter — or why, but the point is, it paints a chilling picture of what is in fact happening to the White race right before our eyes.

For instance, in the letter the author laid out what is in sad reality unfolding:

By carefully controlling and managing the schools, universities, media, and press, this “out group” has managed to convince the great bulk of your racial kinsmen that not only is resistance futile, but that it is immoral, barbaric, depraved, and unworthy of a “thinking” individual. By promoting the stereotype of a “racist redneck resistance,” they have made the idea of a struggle for White Identity a veritable sin in the minds of nearly every White person. In short: they have convinced European-derived peoples that a prolonged suicide is preferable to the unmitigated evil of “racism.”

Do I need to suggest who this “outgroup” might be?

TOO has emphatically emphasized the reality of this War on Whites, featuring the topic Anti-White Attitudes in fifty-three articles, and in particular the topic Jews as a Hostile Elite, fifty-five times. My article today belongs in either category [Ed.: actually both!].

Nine years ago, I was very taken with a literal belief that Whites were being systematically attacked in a coordinated strategy against us. I have no reason to doubt this now. Around the time I wrote “Letter of Termination to the White Race,” I also wrote kindred columns. For instance, I wrote about former Washington Post political columnist, Harold Meyerson, no friend of the White race.

Meyerson once wrote that “whiteness is a huge problem,” which of course means he believes Whites are a huge problem, just as his fellow Tribe members Noel Ignatiev, Susan Sontag, and a host of others have believed. Well, when Jews say these things, we flesh-and-blood Whites have good reason to worry, since these sentiments have often resulted in rivers of the blood of non-Jews. For example, it was not even a century ago that Bolshevik Jews became a hostile elite in Russia and, not coincidentally, millions upon millions of White Christians perished.

Our editor Kevin MacDonald has been in the fore in chronicling these massacres, nowhere better than in his review “Stalin’s Willing Executioners,” where he wrote, “If there is any lesson to be learned, it is that Jews not only became an elite in all these areas, they became a hostile elite — hostile to the traditional people and cultures of all three areas they came to dominate.” MacDonald made this case based on the bold theses presented in Yuri Slezkine’s book The Jewish Century. As we will see, Slezkine provides much fodder for the theme that non-Jews should indeed take Jewish hostility seriously.

MacDonald expanded on this theme in the foreword to Tom Sunic’s Homo Americanus, arguing that the current American regime is “maintained less by brute force than by an unrelenting, enormously sophisticated, and massively effective campaign to constrain political and cultural activity within very narrow boundaries.” Government death squads are not yet acting at the behest of our hostile elites, and dissenters “are not yet trundled off to jail or beaten with truncheons, but [they] are quietly ignored and marginalized. Or they are held up to public disgrace, and, wherever possible, removed from their livelihood.”

The key point, however, is that this could change — and quickly. We know any number of White activists who have suffered job loss without apology. We know the countless times law-abiding White Nationalist groups have been denied the right to free speech, physically attacked for their beliefs (with slap-on-the-wrist sentences, if they are prosecuted at all), and we know that others fighting for our cause have ended up in prison (often with long prison terms, even for non-violent offenses).

Looking at developments in Russia during and after the Revolution, it seems quite possible that America may experience the same trajectory. In Russia, Slezkine tells us that so many viewed the Jews as non-threatening outsiders, yet during the Red Terror, Christians expressed shock that seemingly pacifistic Jews changed almost overnight: “We were amazed by what we had least expected to encounter among the Jews: cruelty, sadism, and violence had seemed alien to a nation so far removed from physical, warlike activity; those who yesterday did not know how to use a gun are now found among the executioners and cutthroats.”

Slezkine also describes a “formerly oppressed lover of liberty [who] had turned into a tyrant of ‘unheard-of despotic arbitrariness.’” He had been “transformed outwardly into a leather-clad person with a revolver and, in fact, lost all human likeness.” He could now be pictured as “standing in a Cheka basement doing ‘bloody but honorable revolutionary work.’”

Quoting MacDonald in his Slezkine review once more, we can conclude that, “Indeed, hatred toward the peoples and cultures of non-Jews … has been the Jewish norm throughout history . . . this sort of hostility to whites and to Christianity is a mainstream Jewish phenomenon.”

Which finally brings us to today’s topic: a new book by Scott Greer, deputy editor/columnist for The Daily Caller, called No Campus for White Men: The Transformation of Higher Education into Hateful Indoctrination. I ran into this book last month when F. Roger Devlin reviewed it at American Renaissance. It’s a fine review, but of course no experienced reader of AmRen expects to read about the root cause of the campus war on White men. Those in the know, however, can still savor Devlin’s nod to the “Marxist inspiration” that has created the current campus climate:

Political correctness is an ideology that grew up around preferential policies in order to protect and rationalize them. Of obviously Marxist inspiration, it substitutes white male heterosexual students for Marx’s bourgeoisie as the “oppressor” class, and non-whites, women and homosexual students for Marx’s proletariat or “oppressed” class. The ideology of political correctness constantly tries to stoke resentment among the “oppressed” and foster guilt among the “oppressors.”

Sounds like a familiar Tribe at work to me.

Then, upon finding another review of Greer’s book, this time at Counter-Currents, I had the familiar fear that Jewish machinations were going to go unexplored yet again — more than halfway through the review by Timothy Rohrer, as solid as it was, there was still no mention of the obvious cause of this campus war on White men. Then, thankfully — finally — Rohrer spelled it out: “The role of the Jews in this system is the critical element explaining why things have happened as they did.”



Really, does anything more need to be said? Rohrer is spot on when he points to activist Jews and the organized Jewish community, just as literally thousands of other real Whites have been over the last few hundred years. We KNOW this stuff already. After all, it has been more than a decade since MacDonald wrote about Slezkine’s admissions with respect to “Stalin’s Willing Executioners.”

Honestly, it is child’s play to show how Jews have essentially taken over higher education in America, transforming it into something akin to a “Jewish extended phenotype,” with Jews themselves doing much of the heavy lifting, but getting plenty of help from their recruited lackeys such as blacks and other non-whites, women, and disparate aggrieved groups that are now popping up like toadstools after a summer’s rain.

I remember back in the late ‘80s or perhaps it was the early ‘90s, when I found that five, six, or maybe even seven of the eight Ivy League presidents “happened” to be Jewish (oh, where was the echo meme then!). I shared this observation with just about anyone unfortunate enough to have been in my vicinity, but with depressing regularity, the response was a blasé, “So what?”

Well, for starters, the “So what?” is No Campus for White Men. And a mulatto president for eight years. And no White Protestants on the Supreme Court. And a media ruled by a hostile elite. And open borders. And the cultivation of “White pathology.” And the plunder of our economy (and Iceland’s, and Russia’s . . .). www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/03/no-campus-or-country-for-white-men/
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