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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 05:10 #1

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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 09:18 #2

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Big thrill. So, Homo 1.0 originated in Europe and not Africa... does that somehow make Europeans superior? I don't think so.

ps. Do you think the Telegraph are totally independent and don't give a fuck about following an Out Of Africa lie?
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 09:39 #3

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I think it's got more to do with an alteration to human history than anything to do with being superior, it still seems to me that mainstream science agree that man evolved from stages in Africa, as per all the finds there, this new find suggests that a form of evolution occurred earlier in Europe than in Africa, but the stages after that are mainly documented by finds in Africa.

Until/unless stages of evolution can be found in Europe, we can only assume that those creatures either died out, or migrated to Africa and continued to evolve there... Or we assume that the entire theory and all the finds regarding this topic are hoaxes, which would include this one.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 11:57 #4

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Ausrotten wrote:
I think it's got more to do with an alteration to human history than anything to do with being superior, it still seems to me that mainstream science agree that man evolved from stages in Africa, as per all the finds there, this new find suggests that a form of evolution occurred earlier in Europe than in Africa, but the stages after that are mainly documented by finds in Africa.

Until/unless stages of evolution can be found in Europe, we can only assume that those creatures either died out, or migrated to Africa and continued to evolve there... Or we assume that the entire theory and all the finds regarding this topic are hoaxes, which would include this one.

No, but it blows out the water all your crap of Europeans not being indigenous.
And there are all the finds in Europe showing a continuous line of development.

You can of course assume what you want, but that will not make it true. After all every post you make is about hiding the truth, so you can remain a loyal little tin soldier.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:09 #5

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But, we'd have lost our indigenous status when the ice caps forced everybody towards the equator. During that period of waiting for them to melt again, there'd have been A LOT of intermingling of tribes and cultures, so anybody who went back would have lost any strong claim to racial or cultural purity.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:11 #6

Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find



A carved bust photographed in Gusev Crater on Mars by NASA's Spirit Rover in 2008, shows a robed figure wearing a crown, that he could pass for a modern man turns Charles Darwin's Descent of Man on its head, as well it refutes Adam and Eve and the notion men evolved from Ethiopian ape brutes.

Sources NASA Spirit & Opportunity Rovers, NASA Curiosity Mars Rover.

Curiosity Rover landed in Gale Crater which is three miles deep and one hundred mi across, which means the impact that formed the crater displaced some 7,500 cubic miles of volcanic ash, to reveal an ancient surface that is in large part intact!

The ash blanket that covers much of Mars' surface came from successive eruptions of volcanoes on the Tharsis Shield, which are said to have occurred between "3.7 billion and 500 million yrs ago." Wiki.

The classical civilization that produced the statues and built the stone platforms predated the Tharsis eruptions, which enlarges the evolutionary time frame out of sight, as well it adds the dimension of space travel.

Data returned by the Soviet Venera program that went from 1961 to 1984 which has similarly been kept under wraps, proves there were humans on planet Venus. Link.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:14 #7

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^Crap distraction.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:39 #8

Some of this would certainly explain why Europeans are a lot more evolved and advanced, than say Africans. I never did buy the ''Out of Africa Theory'', I always viewed that as a way to try and humiliate Europeans. Though by the same standards I don't believe Africans came out of Europe either. Each race evolved separately, and in their own unique different way. .

Nobody can deny that Europeans have been the great explorers and inventors in modern human history. It's one of our traits.
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You would have to be very adaptable to live in an environment with lowering and rising sea levels, and dramatically warming and cooling periods. It would select over time for a very adaptable people.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:57 #10

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Nice map JB

Is there further data as to how high the land was above sea level and or sun spot activity during the time periods.

Climate needed for crops to flourish is quite small in either direction so there are many different windows and food types involved here.

The Caledonian forests at that early period were awfully slow growing as well.

The official science is so full of holes.
A mishmash of Bollox.
The sea level chained over this vast period but at any time yes you could give the level of the land above water. Mamoth, elephants rino, lions, hippos, all have left fossil evidence, and of forests, this was an extremely fertile area.
Scots pine is a very fast growing tree which is why it is used in forestry so much, thus the Idea of slow growing forest is crap. All things which grow in Britain now grew in Doggerland.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 12:59 #11

That's true, that's one reason why Europeans are great inventors and often the very best craftsman. We built structure and invented stuff which could have never come out of Africa. Much of South Asia shares the same level of ingenuity, they made great civilizations too. Add the Persian Empire and much of the Middle East to that too.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 13:12 #12

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That's true, that's one reason why Europeans are great inventors and often the very best craftsman. We built structure and invented stuff which could have never come out of Africa. Much of South Asia shares the same level of ingenuity, they made great civilizations too. Add the Persian Empire and much of the Middle East to that too.

Adaptations of the different races takes a lot longer than ten thousand years to arise.
We are adapted to meet a highly changing environment.
Amazonian Indians do not sweat to regulate temperature
Himalayans, have a different blood, and air exchange system to deal with high altitude.
It is not necessary to even talk about supremacy, just the fact people are adapted to their environments because that is where we have evolved and have a special relationship to.
Our problem is that there is a race which is adapted to being parasitical on other races.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 13:31 #13

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Our problem is that there is a race which is adapted to being parasitical on other races.

Mancunians? :joker:


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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 13:38 #14

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jonb wrote:
Ausrotten wrote:
I think it's got more to do with an alteration to human history than anything to do with being superior, it still seems to me that mainstream science agree that man evolved from stages in Africa, as per all the finds there, this new find suggests that a form of evolution occurred earlier in Europe than in Africa, but the stages after that are mainly documented by finds in Africa.

Until/unless stages of evolution can be found in Europe, we can only assume that those creatures either died out, or migrated to Africa and continued to evolve there... Or we assume that the entire theory and all the finds regarding this topic are hoaxes, which would include this one.

No, but it blows out the water all your crap of Europeans not being indigenous.
And there are all the finds in Europe showing a continuous line of development.

You can of course assume what you want, but that will not make it true. After all every post you make is about hiding the truth, so you can remain a loyal little tin soldier.

It doesn't blow out anything, all it says is that there were primative humanioids living in Europe prior to further documented evolution in Africa.

In other words if these recently discovered creatures have a stage two, where are they if not in Africa?

I'm more than happy to change my views of this, should evidence be forthcoming, but it's plain wrong to suggest what we are told by mainstream science regarding mans evolution in Africa is wrong, but somehow this new mainstream science is telling us the truth.

You can't have it both ways, you either believe the main stream science narrative or you don't. What you're doing is picking and choosing, as if it's you who decides what is true and what is not, from all what we are told, as if you are an authority rather than a loser on a forum.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 13:46 #15

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The discipline of science is not wrong, but that does not mean there are not corrupt elements within, see Steve Keens on academic corruption. And corrupt elements distributing miss information to the public.

To pretend you know nothing of this means you have read virtually no posts on this forum ever.
So either nothing sinks in you are empty headed and not worth attention, or you only pick what you want to hear.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 13:59 #16

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But mainstream science is not wrong or right depending whether or not it agrees with something that you already believe to be true or false, that's quite a David Ickish way of viewing the world - establish a narrative then dismiss/approve information accordingly.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 14:11 #17

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Humans evolved outside of Africa, Europe has a continuous line of occupation and evolution to the modern European. The evidence is there dismiss it if you can.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 14:59 #18

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As the sea level went down it created doggerland a low laying bay protected from the wind by high land on three sides.
The difference in temperature experienced would be the same as in Italy now ice on the high mountains, and warm sunbathing on the beach.
I remember being on the beach on honeymoon in lake Guarda, and then taking the chairlift and skying in the afternoon.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 15:35 #19

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Humans evolved outside of Africa, Europe has a continuous line of occupation and evolution to the modern European. The evidence is there dismiss it if you can.

It's not there, insomuch as in Africa there are skull and bone finds from 7 million, 6 million 5 million etc etc etc years ago, in Europe this is now this tooth/jaw from 7.2 million years ago, but then nothing else near it.

So until further evidence is forthcoming, it can only be assumed that those creatures from 7.2 million years ago, either migrated to Africa and continued to evolve there, or died out in Europe.

You can repeat over and over about this European linage, but where does it fit into the 7.2 million year old tooth? it does not, but low and behold there is a 7 million year old skull found in Chad Africa, that's the next nearest find regarding this tooth found in Bulgaria, within a human evolution linage.

Now we could say that the Chad skull is a hoax, but then we could say that this tooth is a hoax, so let' give them the same credence, if they are both hoaxed then haha thread over, if they are both real, then as we know based on such evidence, we go from Bulgaria and then further evolve in Chad etc etc... there is not Chad like Sahelanthropus tchadensis skull/remains or anything of such a time period in Europe.

So as it stands, we have a simple critter in Bulgaria that either died out or migrated to Chad and further evolved there.
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Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find 23 May 2017 17:23 #20

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jonb wrote:
Humans evolved outside of Africa, Europe has a continuous line of occupation and evolution to the modern European. The evidence is there dismiss it if you can.

I do not dismiss real evidence JB but continually seek it.

So let me refrase my mode of enquiry.

If sub tropical species like Rhino and Elephant were extant here in Upper Europe the climate must have been suitable for these species who are large herbivores needing plentiful grass and other foods.

Those species only survive here today in specialised zoos and parks but are acclimatising slowly.

So if the climate could support such herbage then how could it be cold enough to allow ice sheets to form but on higher ground like the Scottish Highlands?

So many questions unanswered.

The wooly rhino and wooly mammoth "sub-tropical species"?? First time I hear that.

Glacials and interglacials, just as stadials and interstadials were alternating.

But this all has little to do with the Miocene, some 6.5 million (!) years before, in southeastern Europe.

Greece at that time was very different from today; the country is young and dynamic in paleogeography.
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