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There weren't no Ripper 05 Jun 2017 16:19 #1

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In May 1979, two vice squad police officers arrested a woman for soliciting in Moss Side. Taking her to a local police station, they initially said they wished to photograph her in the nude. She refused. She was then driven to wasteland and the officers demanded sexual intercourse. At first she refused. One of the officers said, "Unless you let us do it, you'll end up dead and we'll make it look like a Yorkshire Ripper job."
She allowed them both to have sex. The two men were dismissed from the force, the Director of Public Prosecution having decided to take no action.
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There weren't no Ripper 05 Jun 2017 17:14 #2

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I don't agree with a lot of what's said, but some good points include:-
  • A gang and not a lone killer
  • The victims all knew each other
  • The lack of blood
  • The bodies being arranged rather than in-situ
  • The target was the last one, Mary Kelly
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There weren't no Ripper 05 Jun 2017 18:09 #3

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The official story is that Catherine Eddowes was found brutally mutilated in Mitre Square by a beat officer. He had checked the same square 10 minutes earlier, so there was only a very narrow window. However, this isn't really feasible given the extent of the mutilations. This was the night of the double event, so the Ripper was supposedly unsatisfied with his first victim.

What nobody talks about is how the victim had been in custody just half an hour earlier. She had apparently been taken in drunk at 8:30pm and wouldn't or couldn't give a name. 4.5 hours later her name is recorded as "Mary Ann Kelly of 6 Fashion Street" and she's supposedly released at 1:00am. Now given that they had taken her in for her own safety and that special beat patrols were out looking for the infamous Ripper, it seems strange to release her alone at that time in the morning? Especially when she went off in the opposite direction of the home address she'd just given.

It was apparently one of the patrolling beat officers, from the very same station, that found her. Mitre Square was completely overlooked (although dark), so, on the face of it, an unlikely place to commit such a crime. However, those coming to the assistance of the beat officer were ex-police warehouse security watchmen (who hadn't seen anything).

The police surgeon got there just 15 minutes later. He said the body was still warm. However, given her throat was cut and her guts were over her right shoulder there was a surprising lack of blood. There was no blood on the front of the clothes, no blood below the middle of the body and no blood splattering on the cobbles around.

Just off one of her fingers was a thimble. A strange thing to be wearing in the middle of the night? Under the body were buttons. Her possessions were apparently that of a seamstress. Part of her apron was removed (famously found elsewhere under an inflammatory message). A pawn ticket was in a tin, in the name of Anne Kelly, for some boots. There was no money on her.
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There weren't no Ripper 05 Jun 2017 23:41 #4

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Jack the Ripper was just as much a fake story as Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and the Zodiac Killer.

Hollywood scriptwriting to entertain and keep people Afrade.
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There weren't no Ripper 05 Jun 2017 23:50 #5

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Jack the Ripper was just as much a fake story as Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and the Zodiac Killer.

Hollywood scriptwriting to entertain and keep people Afrade.

Remind me again why you need private armed security at your place of residence? :wissl:
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There weren't no Ripper 06 Jun 2017 00:11 #6

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Jack the Ripper was just as much a fake story as Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and the Zodiac Killer.

Hollywood scriptwriting to entertain and keep people Afrade.

Remind me again why you need private armed security at your place of residence? :wissl:

I don't think it's needed. It is there, that's all.

Not to stop Joaquín El Ripper, that's for sure.
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There weren't no Ripper 06 Jun 2017 02:05 #7

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Well it's nice to see people here are at least open to the idea. When I aired this over at DI it was treated with distain. I think the continued popularity of these mysteries are an artefact of the media energy and momentum they gave it.

There was a lot of talk of the disfiguration of Eddowes face being with Masonic symbols (eyes at top of pyramids). They might well have been, but how could this have been done by a single man, on a dark street with very little time? Personally I think it's more likely they were to make identification difficult. The eyes were targeted, nose cut off and an ear lobe missing (ear ring?) The Newspaper reports couldn't even agree on the colour of her hair.
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There weren't no Ripper 06 Jun 2017 12:04 #8

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Indeed the Ripper killings were drenched in Masonic symbolism, such as the pair of compasses carved into the face of one of the victims and the Ripper’s nickname ‘Leather Apron’, the apron being a badge of the Freemason. Michael A Hoffman in his book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare elaborates:

Four of the five female Ripper victim’s throats were all cut from left to right in accordance with the masonic Entered Apprentice “penal sign.” In some cases their intestines were severed, lifted out of the body and placed over the poor victim’s left shoulder. In masonic ritual, the three “Juwes,” Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum, are all killed by having their bodies ripped open and the entrails thrown over their left shoulders.

The Ripper murder ritual also pertained to the significance of place in masonic immolation. Catherine Eddowes’ body was dumped in Mitre Square, London. Mitre tavern, at the entrance to the square, was the meeting place of the masonic Lodge of Joppa. According to masonic mythology, it was on the coast of Joppa that the three “Juwes” were captured.

Also, mitre and square are the basic tools of the mason. Eddowes apron, soaked with blood, was discovered on Goulston Street in a hallway of a building. Above the bloody apron, on the wall, a message had been written in chalk: “The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.”

extracapsa.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/the-moors-murders-jack-the-ripper-masonic-ritual/



Freemason Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who left the brotherhood in his later years, was allegedly poisoned for his "betrayal," as well as for revealing their esoteric secrets in "The Magic Flute."

William Morgan, author of a major 19th century expose of the Brotherhood called "Freemasonry Exposed," was murdered.

Film director Stanley Kubrick mysteriously died after his ritual-obsessed movie "Eyes Wide Shut" was completed.

And yes, Stephen Knight, author of "Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution" mysteriously died after his best-selling expose' "The Brotherhood: The Secret World of the Freemasons" was published in 1984.

www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Masonic_Ritual_Murders.htm
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There weren't no Ripper 06 Jun 2017 17:21 #9

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Jack the Ripper was just as much a fake story as Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and the Zodiac Killer.

Hollywood scriptwriting to entertain and keep people Afrade.

Remind me again why you need private armed security at your place of residence? :wissl:

I think Gaia should pay a visit to Shutter Island. :chuckle:
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There weren't no Ripper 07 Jun 2017 23:10 #10

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The left-right throat cuts could indicate a right-hander from behind (possibly grabbing the head/mouth with the left). How could this be done though, without spilling blood all over the place, esp. down the front of the victim?

Knight put forward the "handsome cab" theory where the killer used poisoned grapes. I wondered whether the mutilations could be to destroy any evidence of such a poison? For example, removing part of the large intestines, kidneys, puncturing the bladder?
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There weren't no Ripper 22 Jul 2017 15:02 #11

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www.genericmobic.info/j/jack-the-ripper-catherine-eddowes.html
The economic problems were accompanied by a steady rise in social tensions. Between 1886 and 1889, frequent demonstrations, such as that of 13 November 1887, led to police intervention and further public unrest. [4] Anti-semitism, crime, nativism, racism, social disturbance, and severe deprivation fed public perceptions that Whitechapel was a notorious den of immorality. [5] In 1888, such perceptions were strengthened when a series of vicious and grotesque murders attributed to "Jack the Ripper" received unprecedented coverage in the media. [6]

Can anyone make out the writing on this?
Something about "large abrasion" on the cheek?
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There weren't no Ripper 22 Jul 2017 17:56 #12

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"......I did not so much object to his saying that Jack the Ripper was a Jew, though so particular a friend of our people would have been well-advised, knowing the peculiar condition in which we are situated, and the prejudice that is constantly simmering against us, had he kept the fact to himself. No good purpose was served by revealing it. It would have sufficed had he said that he was satisfied the murderer was discovered....."

".... that anyone, especially a raw youth, should so accurately have forecasted such outrages by someone else. The home of my young acquaintance was in a northern town, and enquiries I set on foot elicited the fact that while the Ripper crimes were in progress he was away from his house - in London. ...."

www.casebook.org/press_reports/jewish_chronicle/jc19100311.html
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He cried in a whisper at some image, at some vision—he cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: "'The horror!
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There weren't no Ripper 26 Jul 2017 00:17 #13

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Mister / Mistress
Actor / Actress
Tailor (Seamster) / Seamstress
The Juwes are not the men
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito#Versions

These ones seem to be keen to get us back to the lone serial killer belief...
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There weren't no Ripper 27 Jul 2017 14:12 #14

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Crime & Punishment - 13 - Bow St Runners
1835 - Towns allowed to set up own police
1839 - County Police, Bow Street Runners merge with Met.
1842 - 1st Detective Force
1856 - Compulsory for towns to have police force
1878 - CID (Criminal Investigation Dept.) created

Now, the French Revolution, which happened in 1789, basically saw the whole French Government, and aristocracy, and rich upper class have their heads cut off, by the French People, and France became a Republic; and the King in England and the Government were absolutely terrified this could happen in England. Every time you have a gathering of people, the government get afraid because they're worried about protest and there's a general distrust of the poor, they really don't trust them at all and the Police were seen as a way of dealing this. A way of stopping any kind of revolution or revolt.

Robert Peel (as Home Secretary) used statistics to show that crime was increasing... with it came "Fear of Crime" - serious violent crimes especially worried people.

Think back to your Jack The Ripper lessons we did, remember that the Police were seen as a threat and Robert Peel and the Government knew this, so they deliberately designed their uniform to not look like a military uniform, so they wore blue; whereas the Army were dressed in red.

They published their own Newspaper, called the "Hue and Cry". And what this did was, it allowed them to tell people about certain types of crimes that were happening, give people information about criminals, about stolen goods and things like that. So basically it was a first attempt at some kind of, y'know, crime network. They also got Magistrates and Jailers from all over England to pass them details about crimes and they shared this information.

If you remember back to your Jack The Ripper lessons, you'll remember that people were not fond of the Police at first, they didn't like them at all, they saw them as a kind of military threat, a threat to their freedom.
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There weren't no Ripper 13 Nov 2017 18:28 #15

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Manson is arguably the most iconic Serial Killer in most people's minds.

What if the whole story is largely contrived?
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There weren't no Ripper 13 Nov 2017 22:26 #16

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I read Stephen Knight's book The Brotherhood in the 90's. A "must read" regarding Freemasonic corruption in the UK.

Pdf download here:

https://archive.org/download/KnightStephenTheBrotherhood/Knight_Stephen_-_The_brotherhood.pdf

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There weren't no Ripper 20 Nov 2017 09:42 #17

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Interesting timing. Anyone else think the Manson case might of been connected with the Moon Landings? If they were doing stuff in huge studios then a lot of expertise may have been drafted in?
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There weren't no Ripper 27 Nov 2017 17:43 #18

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Bad Spelling

Helter Skelter sounds like a magical phrase, like Abracadabra (maybe just an ear worm).
If you were that obsessed with it, how would you mis-spell it? Off your tits, freudian slip, forced to write the unfamiliar? Note how it's all sloping downwards, even the horizontal bars of the letters; like maybe the person writing it was reaching up while bleeding out?

Political Piggy doesn't make much sense for a music teacher. Looks like it was originally something else; maybe the victim started trying to write something to indicate what had happened, then it was appropriated?
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There weren't no Ripper 27 Nov 2017 17:53 #19

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Interesting reads on Charles Manson and the Zodiac "Killer":

From the second paper:

If you don't know, the London papers admitted in 2013 that Jack the Ripper was manufactured by
Thomas Bulling in 1888, a journalist who worked for the Central News Agency. He was paid to supply
crime stories to the newspapers
. The Central News Agency was sort of like our Associated Press,
except that, according to Paul Begg, “it developed a reputation amongst newsmen for underhand
practices and stories of dubious veracity." No, wait, that is exactly like our Associated Press.
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There weren't no Ripper 27 Nov 2017 19:24 #20

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