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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 13:03 #1

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Guest1041 is of the opinion that Hitler & the NS top were all controlled opposition.

At first, I was of the same opinion. Nowadays, I think that wasn't the case.

Let's debate WW II, Hitler & NS, while taking a close look at all the evidence presented back and forth with an open mind.



Therefore my first question to Guest1041: what makes you think Hitler was controlled?

Let's roll.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 18:34 #2

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Gosh .. What a clever and original thread topic.
Yes, let's start ANOTHER thread praising Hitler and his minions.
We NEVER have enough of those.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 19:07 #3

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it is a serious thread bd. flare has offered people to post arguments contra Hitler as a German hero. seems fair to me.


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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 20:13 #4

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Voltaire wrote:
it is a serious thread bd. flare has offered people to post arguments contra Hitler as a German hero. seems fair to me.

Well, basically it will be a debate between me and Guest1041 as the title suggests, which we also could have via pm of course..

But I thought it would be nice to have a talk with him about it on the forum, as it might be interesting for others to read/watch.

To me Guest1041 seems like an intelligent and reasonable guy who knows his stuff, so I guess it'll be a nice talk.
(This in contrary to figures like Gaia who will be foaming from the mouth after the first post has been placed)
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 20:40 #5

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Ok, thanks for the points you made.

First off... is there any evidence that the Wall Street banks sent money to Hitler? As this all comes from hear-say, while actually no proof for this is available. Obviously there were Hitler supporters amongst some big industrialists in the US who sent him donations, like Henry Ford for example. However, I think this part of history deliberately has been distorted that "the (((US banks))) supported Hitler" in order to turn people away from the road to finding out the truth about WW II. Hitler pulled Germany out of The League of Nations (precursor of the UN) and stepped away from International banking by printing their own usury-free currency; the Labour Treasury Certificates.

Second. Yes, I've heard about Prescott Bush in regards to trading with Germany. It could be yes. But a lot of foreign companies traded with Germany since their economy was booming while the rest of the world was still in recession. Therefore it is no more than logical for companies wanting to make money, which in turn would be good for Germany's economy as well. The National Socialist government however protected their nation from foreign entities meddling in their affairs. The concept of National Socialism and/or Fascism in regards to economy is that it is fine to make profits and get rich, as long as the companies involved won't start to be a threat to the government, otherwise these companies would be nationalized. (which they did when necessary)

Third... as far as I know Hitler was a devout Christian. If you can prove he was a pagan mystic, I'd like to see it demonstrated as you suggest.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 21:38 #6

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Is there any source that he actually has written this poem?

Besides that, does one poem make one a pagan?

Hitler was actually raised in Lambach Abbey (Monastery) as a Catholic, where as a young boy even attended the choir in his spare time.



That's also where he saw the Swastikas carved in the wall and woodwork which he later would adopt for the NS flag.

So far there is no proof that he ever converted to another faith.



Unless you can show some more evidence that we don't know of ofc.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 22:08 #7

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Anthony Sutton says that Max Warburg of the Federal Reserve made funds available to be sent through the American arm of IG Farben to fund Hitler's 1933 election.

reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm#Financing Hitler in the March 1933

That's an interesting read.

Nevertheless, why wouldn't he accept donations from IG Farben?

After he came into power, he kicked out the bankers and anyone else running Germany into the ground. + he turned Germany into an economic superpower in 6 years time by stepping away from usury based banking.

At the time during Hitler's rise, Germany was in serious danger of a communist takeover. If Hitler would be controlled, the only thing he would have had to do is just let Germany go communist and all of Europe would have soon followed suit. This would have meant a massively powerful communist block having a communist Europe and Soviet Union combined.

Therefore my question is: why would the bankers let the communist takeover in Germany fail by placing Hitler in power and make it go to war with communism* in stead?

( * which is their end-game, since the NWO is communism)
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 15 Aug 2017 23:48 #8

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Odinism/Wotanism Exposed! | Truth For Germans

An article in a 1995 issue of the Australian Odinist magazine Renewal:

"From the beginning of the Third Reich, Odinists (pagans) were generally suppressed. In 1933, Rudolf von Sebottendorff was arrested and exiled. The works of Odinist writers such as Lanz von Liebenfels, Ernst Issberner-Haldane and Reinhold Ebertin were banned. Former membership of an Odinist congregation disqualified anyone from holding rank or office within the NSDAP. In 1936 Friedrich Marby, a runemaster and follower of [Wotan worshipper Guido] von List, was arrested and sent to a camp at Flossenberg; he was released from Dachau in 1945. He was not alone. But the full power of the state was not focused on religious minorities until the 9th of June 1941 when the head of the security police, [Reinhardt] Heydrich, banned a large number of spiritual practices. Among the victims were followers of Rudolf Steiner, followers of von List, and traditional Odinists. Their organizations were dissolved, their property confiscated, and many of their leaders arrested.”

Got anything else ?

I must applaud you Guest1041 for approaching this topic with a open mind . Even in the conspiracy movement many dont have the courage to down this rabbit hole
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 16 Aug 2017 03:42 #9

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Honestly not trying to be rude but you two could have easily had this conversation via pm.

bd is right that it's basically just another of the same old thread.

Seriously it's not 1940 anymore, time to move on.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 16 Aug 2017 08:54 #10

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.......... wrote:
Honestly not trying to be rude but you two could have easily had this conversation via pm.

bd is right that it's basically just another of the same old thread.

Seriously it's not 1940 anymore, time to move on.

We've seen this for many years now, having been part of these kinds of forums. :hahano:

Im not against the thread, its not as if we dont have the disc space for text, right now the server is like a big tall room and the site takes up a basketball sitting on the floor in the corner. Only hosting videos would fill the room up fast, text on the forum is infinitely smaller in size, storage wise.

But yeah it has been done.

The thing is, its more useful to leave adolf and associated NSDAP paraphenalia out of any real life movement and most here know that of course, so when its done on the web over and over I can see your point.

But each to their own ey.

If anything with you know pfwho staying away we will have less net adolf and ww2 NSDAP here i reckon. :hahano: :gmc:
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

1365 = 1

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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 16 Aug 2017 09:56 #11

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Guest1041 wrote:
Flare wrote:
Guest1041 wrote:
Anthony Sutton says that Max Warburg of the Federal Reserve made funds available to be sent through the American arm of IG Farben to fund Hitler's 1933 election.

reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm#Financing Hitler in the March 1933

That's an interesting read.

Nevertheless, why wouldn't he accept donations from IG Farben?

After he came into power, he kicked out the bankers and anyone else running Germany into the ground. + he turned Germany into an economic superpower in 6 years time by stepping away from usury based banking.

At the time during Hitler's rise, Germany was in serious danger of a communist takeover. If Hitler would be controlled, the only thing he would have had to do is just let Germany go communist and all of Europe would have soon followed suit. This would have meant a massively powerful communist block having a communist Europe and Soviet Union combined.

Therefore my question is: why would the bankers let the communist takeover in Germany fail by placing Hitler in power and make it go to war with communism* in stead?

( * which is their end-game, since the NWO is communism)

The question is why was Hitler financed by Jewish American bankers in the first place.

And why did Kuhn Loeb and co bank also fund the Communist takeover?

Because both Hitler and Lenin could be guaranteed to cause the destruction of Christianity and the death of millions of Christians in their respected countries. And that's just what happened. The end result of Hitler's term in office should indicate what the intention was all along.

You ask why didn't they use Hitler to let the Communists take over. Well that's no fun, there wouldn't be much of a war if both sides were ideologically the same, in fact there wouldn't be any war, and nothing kills Christians like a big dirty war.

It's remarkable indeed.

However, IG Farben being a massive German employed company not somehow supporting Hitler would have meant quite an outrage I suppose?

Anyways, one also needs to look at the actions of Hitler in order to determine wether he was controlled or not, since these speak louder than words.

A few examples:

If Hitler wanted to kill Christians, why did he start up a program for the Germans to have big families?
Erase mass unemployment and improve living standards by a long-shot..?
And why did he open up churches all over the country and in liberated Ukraine for example?
Must say Hitler didn't look the same man after the loss of Stalingrad as he was devastated, since he knew that was the decisive moment.

Was that all a show?

One doesn't need war in order to kill off tens of millions of people. Which is proven by the Soviet Union and China.

Have to go to work and will respond to you later.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 10:02 #12

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Michael Collins Piper Debunks Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler



:right: www.counter-currents.com/2013/12/german-big-business-and-the-rise-of-hitler/
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 19:38 #13

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The question is why was Hitler financed by Jewish American bankers in the first place.

And why did Kuhn Loeb and co bank also fund the Communist takeover?

Because both Hitler and Lenin could be guaranteed to cause the destruction of Christianity and the death of millions of Christians in their respected countries. And that's just what happened. The end result of Hitler's term in office should indicate what the intention was all along.

You ask why didn't they use Hitler to let the Communists take over. Well that's no fun, there wouldn't be much of a war if both sides were ideologically the same, in fact there wouldn't be any war, and nothing kills Christians like a big dirty war.

"Hitler" (a collection of various actors playing that role, hence the clownesque disguise) was also supported by and provided slave labour for the big -mostly jewish- industrialists;
- Boss
- DuPont
- Ford
- General Motors
- IBM
- Porsche
- Quandt
- Citroën
- Renault

and received support of various other (jewish) crooks of the so-called "Allies":
- Lord Astor (media)
- Lord Halixax (politics)
- Duke of Windsor (monarchy)
- Henry Luce (media, Time)
- Allen Dulles (then law firm Sullivan & Cromwell, later FBI)
- Rockefeller (Standard Oil)
- Torkild Rieber (Texaco)
- William Rhodes Davis (oil)
- J.P. Morgan (banking)
- Dillon (banking)
- Harriman Bros. (banking)
- Owen D. Young (banking)
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 20:06 #14

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There's nothing strange for companies trading with National Socialist Germany, since that's what companies do: trade.

And they definately do that with a nation that had a booming economy while the rest of the world still was in (heavy) recession.

Easy as 1 + 1 = 2

But Gaia thinks he stumbled upon some 'secret conspiracy'.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 20:19 #15

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Anthony Sutton says that Max Warburg of the Federal Reserve made funds available to be sent through the American arm of IG Farben to fund Hitler's 1933 election.

reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm#Financing Hitler in the March 1933

The so-called "stolze" Blut-und-Boden Nazis surely would never do business with jewish bankers, because they were very much opposed to the jewish power in the world...

Oh wait, they installed a jewish Freemason as the Minister of Economy. Like putting a drug addict in charge of the pharmacy.... :facepalm:

And they had their highest ranks filled with jews. Magda -ex-Quandt- Goebbels was a jewish girl, next to Jewseph Goebbels who speeched in his propaganda bullshit against Ze Jews, strange innit?
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 20:25 #16

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Gaia wrote:
"Hitler" (a collection of various actors playing that role, hence the clownesque disguise)

:larf: :facepalm:

This dude is getting crazier by the day.

Ever since he found out the Holocaust was hoaxed, EVERYTHING is hoaxed according to this jew. :iitm:

I guess that's what happens when a jew finds out his/her precious holocaust which is part of their being didn't happen... they mentally can't handle it and come up with the weirdest of ideas.
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 21:07 #17

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Ok. This is going to be a bit of a wall of text which I found on the internet, the quotes come from Hitler's Table talk which are monologues privately delivered by Hitler at the suggestion of Martin Boorman.

“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394

Very telling, these attacks on Christianity, while at the same time doing business with the Vatican and in propaganda speaking to "defend German Christian values".

Also the statement "we've succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst" is hilarious, knowing that the NSDAP and SS employed many many jews, most of them in high ranking positions.

The "chasing the jews away" comment is extra ironic in the so-called Holocaust Story. Because what happened with all those jews? There were hundreds of thousands to millions of them kidnapped from their homes. They were clearly not "annihilated" (vernichtet), so what happened with them? A question the Nazi lovers like to avoid to answer, as it exposes the staging of the whole thing; why would the Nazis go so far to have a complete system of transport all throughout (Central) Europe working? What was their goal, by first kidnapping the jews and then transporting them, to where exactly?

Following the Nazi propaganda, the mass extermination/annihilation mainstream story of gassings would make sense.
But knowing that story is false, it doesn't make sense anymore that they would go over that enormous effort, with loads of manpower put into that, while fighting (and losing) a war on various fronts.

You'd think they'd need all hands on deck to fight off their enemies, not caring for jews not to be annihilated, but transported by the hundreds of thousands to millions to where? Where did all those people go from the transit Reinhardt camps?
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 21:20 #18

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I've never seen any ' evidence' or read much about this thought but I've always had the feeling , since coming to my present understanding of Hitler and the Reich that foreign companies , esp, the big American ones did business with Germany knowing war would come - they made the profit in that transaction and that war would only bring more . Building up the Reich secured a long and well armed war which they knew he have to fight on multiple fronts with most of the world against him and what if he 'won' could Germany really control it all ? or would another 10 yrs ( if that ) be spent wearing it down - the English , probably the Russians and the Commonwealth would have never let Germans be safe on foreign soil - or let it obtain raw materials -oil ect without hinderance ............I reckon they'd considered all possible outcomes and Germany wasn't going to be allowed to left in ' peace ' no matter how benevolent or non - invasive their victory , Germany was doomed from the start no matter how great , how right and just - They knew who the real enemy was ,this sealed a fate . I could be wrong - perhaps they didn't expect the Reich to as strong however, could it have dominated the world - would Japan have survived ?
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The Guest1041 & Flare thread 06 Sep 2017 21:52 #19

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All wars are bankster wars accept Nazi Germany..it was reichtous mann.

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I could be wrong - Hitler kicked out the banksters , ...

That is only the propaganda version, the fact is, he didn't. He did the opposite, installing his highly esteemed jews, first Schacht, then Walther Funk (see below) into the Economy.

The strategy of the industrialists of the so-called Allies was to support Hitler. They favoured fascism as a great way to exclude competition; the so-called capitalists are actually crapitalists; monopolists who are very much against the free market. Capitalism is the opposite of that.

As with every other war (a game by psychopaths and against non-psychoapths) in history, WWII was staged that way; to let business (at least that in the hands of the Elitist few) boom.

The US American big banksters and industrialists (like Ford) provided investments and goods to all sides of this staged war; the Allies, Axis and Comintern all used their products and services.

Look at the links I provided for the "French" (Citroën was a Dutch jew) car manufacturers. They were all in on the game, producing tanks, trucks and even bullets for both sides; the Allies AND the Axis.

A key period to watch is also the post-war. Most of the Nazis were acquitted from persecution and those who were convicted were ridiculous cases; first "sentenced to death", then reduced to "life in prison" and then the so-called anti-Nazi postwar figures released all those people after just a few years (if they even spent that). Many of them had successful careers in post-war German politics.

A few show trials (the most famous is Nuremberg, but there were many more) and fake hangings and that was propagandised after the war as "now, we have done something about those Nazis, sheeple".

Many of those "hanged" at Nuremberg were jewish Nazis:

Joachim von Ribbentrop
Hans Frank
Wilhelm Frick
Alfred Jodl
Ernst Kaltenbrunner
Wilhelm Keitel
Alfred Rosenberg
Julius Streicher

Other famous and influential Nazis were acquitted or released soon. These were part of the personal circle of Hitler himself, the highest one could get in the fake fascist regime of Nazi Germany. ALL were acquitted, released, not prosecuted. That makes no sense whatsoever if the Nazis would be "the enemy" in the post-war period and especially their roles so high up in the chain of command:

Wilhelm Brückner
Willy Johannmeyer
Traudl Junge (Humps)
Richard Schulze-Kossens
Otto Günsche
Nicolaus von Below
Max Wünsche
Rochus Misch
Karl Wilhelm Krause
Karl-Jesko von Puttkamer
Hugo Blaschke
Johanna Wolf
Heinz Linge
Gerda Christian (Daranowski)
Fritz Darges
Friedrich Hossbach
Wilhelm Mohnke
Else Krüger
Christa Schroeder
Johann Rattenhuber
Julius Schaub
Emil Maurice
Erich Kempka
Johannes Hentschel
Hans Baur
Fritz Tornow (still alive!)

The brothers von Salomon, Franzie was allowed by the so-called anti-Nazi postwar Germans to become a politician (?????)

Franz Pfeffer von Salomon
Friedrich Pfeffer von Salomon



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