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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 16 Feb 2016 22:29 #1

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I must say, I am rather impressed by TS's blog, accurate and well articulated. :thumbup:

www.truthspoon.com/p/banned-from-david-icke-forum-thank-god.html

it ties in quite well with the recent shitfest delivery.
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Thanks for the link Cousin Frothy. Interesting indeed.


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Truthspoon's blog is spot on. :thumbup:

I remember about four years ago while a member of DIF, I was given 10 permanent points by, I_am for identifying "zhiba" as " merlincove".

One day I looked around and didn't find one conservative thread on the whole DIF forum that hadn't been locked or shouted down. That's when I left that forum and haven't been back in three years.
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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 17 Feb 2016 04:18 #4

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Truthspoon wrote on his blog
If anyone knows The Mighty Zhiba's real name then let me know. Posterity and history needs to know who this OTO agent really is...

I don't know his real name, but you're welcome to this photograph if it helps.


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That pic is the closest to a real name as I saw in 10 yrs too. He called himself John Snow before Merlincove.
There was talk that he had Tavistock connections - i really don;t know - his only claim to fame as I remember was that he said he's met David ( what's is name ) , the guy who was supposed to have deserted MI5 and went bonkers wearing dresses with that woman who went on to do a lot of talks about MI5 and watered down conspiracy in general - all hogwash and who gives a flying F really. .....but zhiba was very proud to have met him once. LOL.
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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 17 Feb 2016 07:17 #6

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I think the ex Mi5 guy/lady is named David Shayler.

As for Zhiba, I recall Ent posting that he met him at a DIF meet up of some sort, whether he remembers his name or even if Zhiba uses a real name at meetups :dunno:

It's quite clear as Truthspoon says, Crowley is liked there, and if you post Crowley positive posts then you're liked.

It's something of a comparison of thought that bd et al in the Crowley brigade come up with such statements on the many Crowley threads on DIF that critics of Crowley have a lack of understanding, they quote him out of context. misunderstand him, and have not read his works fully enough to have a qualified opinion etc.

Yet that could be said about the posters who are critical of Hitler, as they often have not read much of what is available to read of him.

The point is that - that thought process can be applied to anyone, how many people have read about GW Bush extensively, or Henry Kissinger, or the many many other people that get criticised on DIF, Yet when it comes to Crowley, unless a poster has such an extensive knowledge, then they are ''misguided.''

So bearing that in mind, I turn to Wikipedia and find this:
After Raoul Loveday died from drinking contaminated water at Cefalù, Mary Butts reported in one of her journals about Hirsig of an unsuccessful attempt to induce a he-goat to copulate with her at the Abbey of Thelema, emulating an ancient pagan ritual (an account corroborated by Crowley himself in an unpublished passage in one of his diaries).[2]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Hirsig

I don't really think one has to be extensively read up on Crowley to conclude that he's a twisted-Satanist, a pervert, and whatnot, and this is the man, the one who eats dung at the alter, the one who eats cakes of menstrual fluid and sperm, who feeds his flock with goat dung, is cruel to animals, merely to portray to others the focus on ''will.'' On DIF they portray their will by censoring, banning and criticising all those who do not obey their will, so the general posters don't have their will, they are merely victims of the control freaks and theirs.
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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 17 Feb 2016 18:27 #7

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Thank- you frothy - yes, Shayler - god knows what he and that woman were in reality - but a psy-op of some description .

Troothspoon wrote a good article - thirdwave was also in the thick of it pro Crowley - it was always easy to see who the Satanists were .
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zhiba's real first name is "leigh."
that's all i know about him.
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Lizzy wrote:
Thank- you frothy - yes, Shayler - god knows what he and that woman were in reality - but a psy-op of some description .

Troothspoon wrote a good article - thirdwave was also in the thick of it pro Crowley - it was always easy to see who the Satanists were .

I don't happen to think that Satanists are necessarily bad people, I sometimes read this forum and don;t see a huge issue with them, they appear to be quite realistic, rather than chewing poo or shagging goats. Or in fact stopping others from doing things, Satan in their minds seems to be a form of realisation.
In fact Levay is quoted as saying; ''“Satan is a symbol, nothing more,” LaVey says. “Satan signifies our love of the worldly and our rejection of the pallid, ineffectual image of Christ on the cross.'' and ''For we skeptical, pragmatic Satanists, it is wielded in the ritual chamber. Reliance on fantastic constructs becomes dangerous when the believers in spiritual religions dogmatically insist that their personal or collective fantasies are real in the world at large, that they are the only absolute truth, and then wait for the myth to guide them or try to force others to share this delusion. That has been the source for countless wars, as any student of history can see.'' www.churchofsatan.com/what-the-devil.php

I know that Levay had described Crowley as; ''It is bad enough to hear of the “great teachings” of Aleister Crowley—who hypocritically called himself by the Christian devil’s number, yet steadfastly denied any Satanic connections''.

What OTO Crowley bd, DIF inner circle are is twisted Satanists in some type of counter culture denial, what I mean by that is that they are worse than Satanists if anyone happens to think that Satanism is a bad thing.

All in all, they lack respect, it's all about attacking Christianity and forms of conservativism in culture, they want to tear up that structure and replace it with some form of twisted anarchy where they perform as animals, lose decorum and thus act like.... a bunch of demented loonies who give humanity a bad name.

They are not Satanists, they are twisted-Satanists, they are not Marxists, they are twisted-Marxists, they are not truthers, they are twisted-truthers, they appear to think that being ''at one'' means that they can act like appalling regressed filth, when that ''oneness'' is used they are twisting Buddhism, whatever form they take, they twist it into disrespectful filth, they are destructive, they think that their destruction is a blessing, an awakening, when it's simply a decision to attack decorum, and to apply their twisted minds to all forms of religion,paganism, politics, and social ethos.

They are a collection of degenerate morons that use Crowley as a means to shit on all that is decent, if their DIF practise was brought into being in society there would be a group of trolls, yes they are the real trolls, breaking down what is left of society, all that is decent, and replacing it with their will. Which is the mad ramblings of the dung man, and for humans to regress back to living like animals, which in fact is what Crowley was doing, he was not so much being submissive to his mistress as much as being submissive to filth,

In short DIF = Get on your knees, get on your hands and knees, we only don't act like scum because the ''matrix'' says so ''shit only tastes and smells bad because you're told so as an infant, in fact an infant will happily play with shit without revolt'' (of course I'm summing up where their rhetoric leads) '' therefore there is nothing wrong with it, acting like scum is natural, it's the ones who are brainwashed that would think that shit is bad, because it's been drummed into them.''

So it's the fact that Crowley is letting go and returning to an untrained being that they like, whether this is eating shit or any other such thing, when we let go, we let go of all, and that is the biggest secret of there twisted cult that there is.

Once one lets go, there are no limits, and of course defying tptb is a means of gaining a collective, and of that collective they cull those that want to keep their self respect and decency.

When the ''whole thing comes crashing down'' as Icke says (if I quote him correctly) if it hits rock bottom at free fall speed, we won't be special entities floating about in the oneness, we'll be demented creatures running about in the chaos gone mad because of the lack of order.
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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 18 Feb 2016 09:02 #10

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This is a link to Pamela Leigh Richards's webpage. flywithmeproductions.com/blog/
Magic is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in Conformity with Will.
is at the top of her webpage, it's a Crowley line.

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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 18 Feb 2016 15:20 #11

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LAWYERS WEEKLY REPORTS

DEFENDING MASONIC RITUAL CHILD-TORTURE CULT FROM "RELIGION SLUR" IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST
Independent sources inform us that, after finding herself hauled before the Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal on religious vilification charges (because of her attempts to have a child pornography/pedophile ritual-abuse ring finally investigated by the corrupt Victorian police force), child psychologist Dr Michaelson turned to the Public Interest Law Clearing House (PILCH) for help. PILCH, "Seeking to meet the legal needs of community groups, not for profit organisations and individuals from disadvantaged or marginalised backgrounds", turned her away. Why? Because they had already agreed to represent the Ordo Templi Orientis, the secret society she said "appeared to be" the perpetrators of the crimes she described.

Lawyers Weekly, "Australia's leading information resource [and "Bible"] for the legal professional", reported in its December 6th, 2006 article, Pro bono effort muzzles religion slur, how this "runaway slur " was "reined in" by Phillips Fox in Melbourne.
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www.theyfly.com/articles/gaia/oto.lawyersweekly.htm

Not quite sure what to make of this :dunno:

Most of it would not copy over to the forum so you need to click the link ie I did not write ''Article cannot be shown'' if you look behind the main forum face and into the quotation feature this can be seen.

Anyway, DIF is mentioned on it and seems to have been used to give the OTO child abuse story less credence.

Could it be that when stories of a negative nature arise in relation to OTO that they are put on DIF as a source, thus they appear conspiracy like, rather than factual, hence DIF is a front to protect OTO?
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Troothspoon's DIF/Crowley blog 18 Feb 2016 20:44 #12

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Thanks for the kind words Cousin Frothy.......

Watching the Icke forum viewing figures is like watching a slow countdown to 0 as more and more people just lose interest with the 'dodge the ban-hammer' game and moderators using the Icke Forum as their own private preening boudoir where they can pretend they're actually remarkable and interesting people.

Sometimes this forum has more viewers than the Icke forum..... I chuckle when I see that.....not that I'm stalking the DIF or anything..... just wanna see that sucka get buried so something BETTER can take its place.
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Anyone remember when DIF had a senior member of the Australia OTO as a member......and he boasted how he was involved in the GAIAGUYS case.....

He was a right arsehole for a very very long time.....got banned eventually but not before he'd threatened a lot of people.....he seemed to have been given a very long leash.....

Can't remember the buggers name though....
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Anyone remember when DIF had a senior member of the Australia OTO as a member......and he boasted how he was involved in the GAIAGUYS case.....

He was a right arsehole for a very very long time.....got banned eventually but not before he'd threatened a lot of people.....he seemed to have been given a very long leash.....

Can't remember the buggers name though....

Is this him?
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Yes I was. In fact I was the head of an O.T.O. body in Australia and was part of the case. Can I just say again what a total pleasure it was to see you conspiracy nuts and fundies getting walloped under your own lies and distortions. I can only hope it will happen again.
forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207056

And again from he same thread.
The O.T.O. in Australia (myself included) decided to fight back and took the 'Gaia Guys' to court
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Exu.....yeah that's him.......total Crowley nutbox who was given a long reign to do as he pleased on the DIF.
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I note that he wrote this... On the same thread that I linked above.
Dr. Reina Michaelson and her Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program (CSAPP) made allegations in Australia against the O.T.O. The allegations were part of a document published on her website which alleged that children were being used as sacrifices and sexually abused in O.T.O. rituals. The allegations were posted on a website titled “Gaia Guys,” run by two Australian neo-pagans with a passion for conspiracy theory, real names Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg.

The O.T.O. in Australia (myself included) decided to fight back and took the 'Gaia Guys' to court. The Court had previously described the numerous comments by Devine and Legg on their website that O.T.O. was a paedophile and satanic network enjoying high level protection in the state of Victoria as "bizarre"; it found that Devine and Legg were guilty of inciting hatred, contempt, revulsion and ridicule of O.T.O. and its members on the grounds of their Thelemic beliefs, activities and practices. It also found all allegations concerning any links between the O.T.O. and the infamous Milat 'Backpacker murders' to be "preposterous, defamatory and based on wild fabrications." The court also declared that allegations made by an "Alice Smith" concerning the Milat case were actually the work of Vivienne Legg and found ALL of her claims to be "a work of malicious fiction".

While the Court acknowledged that "the damage has been done" and that the site and the allegations have been copied and spread over the Internet, it had sent a clear and highly publicized message to the Australian community (and to the rest of the world) that the O.T.O. is a lawful and reputable organization which will defend itself, Thelema, and the rights and beliefs of its membership.

While 'Gaia Guys' seems to have started as a site documenting an administrative dispute involving the ecology of their country property, it seems to have burgeoned into a cornucopia of conspiracy theories, including free energy, masonic handshakes and weather machines. Not the most authortative context for such grave claims.

The OTO’s proceedings against Devine and Legg resulted in an order to remove the controversial document, and on the 28th of June 2005, the Australian Capital Territory Magistrate's Court ordered them to pay almost $30,000 to the OTO.

On the 28th of November 2007 Judge Harbison of VCAT found that their failure to have removed the offending document was deliberate comtempt of court and sentenced both Devine and Legg to 9 months prison. They served 7 months:

www.theage.com.au/news/nation...788539310.html

www.news.com.au/national/crit...-1111115674359

When Reina Michaelson wrote up her document which concluded that the OTO in Australia was a murderous paedophile cult and that Thelema justified, encouraged and sanctioned such behavior the person she sought as a suitable guardian of her account was, wait for it, wait for it....David Icke (where else do conspiracy nuts find comfort?).

She claimed to have given her document to him for safe keeping. The document promptly appeared on the Icke website (and was only taken down after legal proceedings began against Michaelson).

For myself personally it was an honor to be involved in this case as it was an important and historic victory for the O.T.O. and more importantly Thelema worldwide.

It sure was a pleasure to watch you conspiracy nuts and fundies get owned.

Ah sweet victory, how delicious you are!!!!

Note to the original poster: Thank you very much for the link. I'll make sure to pass it on the relevant people

I'm proposing that it was not ''Dr. Reina Michaelson and her Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program (CSAPP)'' that gave the story to Icke for ''safe keeping'' rather it's OTO that gave the story to Icke/DIF to have it published there first as to discredit the story as a conspiracy theory.

From the other link that I posted about the case OTO arranged against Dr Michaelson, And from this guys rhetoric it seems to me that OTO have been helped by DIF to make their involvement in such unsavoury acts as mere ''conspiracy theory.''
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Well Frothy - getting TS's qyestion answered was well remembered , mine ( Shayler ) would probably have fallen into place sooner or later but I never did follow the OTO stuff that closely - just the topic in general, those 2 cases look very similar but one would expect that - that's what they do - these days they don;t even have to go through the degree's just sign a guest register I suppose but of course it's all much worse than 'underage' and 'traffic'd' - the dark is deadly .
Which brings me to the Satanic - I have to disagree , in my books nothing that utilizes the idea of the devil or practices thereof has any redeeming use what so ever , to me it's all moral . ethical, spiritual destruction . Free will, " Do what thou wilt " has only given license to evil .
The Church of Satan is just a type of zionist Fifth column into people's psyche's and nothing would have me believe otherwise. I'm not particularly 'religious' but any form of the 'satanic' is bad news regardless of how it's presented.
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Lizzy wrote
those 2 cases look very similar but one would expect that

It;s the same case just against different people, ie OTO vs GaiaGuys and OTO vs DR Michaelson is about the same publication on their respective websites.
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Ah, yes , ok . so the peado OTO ZOG sub-human Bottril sued those listed for defamation I suppose ....as alluded to in the vid - Dr M. was hampered by requiring to keep her sources to herself - and settled out of court .
All in a days' work for the peado perps - Jewish Freemasonary is Satanic - inbred genetically mutant .scum .
I'm familiar with the Cristian's - I've been following them for 10yrs .
loveforlife.com.au/
They've had extensive experience with the courts.- Jewish Community ( same thing ) attempting to displace them from homes and property , physical and cyberspace.- been on on going fight between good and evil .
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