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TOPIC: Let's talk about Zionism

Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 14:10 #1

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I appears to me Rocco and Mr Anderson don't consider Zionism a threat.

Do they not know about AIPAC?

Do they not know that Zionists on the whole enslave the masses through fractional reserve banking and usury?

Do they not know the military industrial complex is to serve the Zionist financial industrial complex through unjust wars?

Do they not not the media is pro Zionist?

Do they not know most Western Governments are controlled by a Zionist Oligarchy?

Do they not know 9/11 was committed by Zionists?

??

Oh well ... nothing to see here ... it's someone else, but they won't name them.


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"The bridge between not only Talmudic Judaism and Zionism, but Bolshevism as well, is personified by Moses Hess, who Karl Marx termed, “My Communist rabbi.” Hess was not a rabbi in a formal sense, but he was enamored of the Talmud, as well as Communist and Zionist ideology. Hess recognized that what unites all three, their common bond, is Judaic self-worship. The controversies and rivalries arise in the debate over which vehicle is best for the supremacy of the Judaic people over humanity: Judaism, Bolshevism or Zionism? Hess argued that depending on the zeitgeist, any one of the three would prove suitable.

Yes indeed, the founders of the Israeli state were secularists and Socialists who had little regard for the Talmud as a way of ordering the life of a modern nation. They viewed its code of conduct as a relic from a superstitious past. They were modern and “progressive.” Moreover, the pioneering Zionists had violated a fundamental tenet of Orthodox Judaism, which held that only the Messiah himself could initiate the founding of a reborn Israeli nation. Until the appearance of the Messiah, the Jews could not engage in armed struggle to achieve that end. That was the view of the majority of Talmudic rabbis in 1948. Seventy years later it is the view of only a minority, mostly among certain Hasidic sects, such as the Satmar. Voila, in seven decades Orthodox Judaism has become a pillar of the Israeli state. The fanatical Israeli “settlers” are comprised of “religious Zionists.” The Talmud is their inspiration for using violence to steal what is left of Palestine in order to build “Eretz Israel.” How did this transformation occur?

Orthodox Judaism is a religion of situation ethics. There are few beliefs that are not negotiable. What is non-negotiable is the supremacy of the Judaic people and whatever aids that supremacy. Nothing else counts. Look at Gershom Scholem, the German-Israeli scholar who helped to bring the Kabbalah into respectability and prominence in the Israeli state. Scholem and Judaic-American intellectual Hannah Arendt, the one-time girlfriend of German philosopher Martin Heidegger, had been friends in Paris before World War II. Arendt published a fair-minded book, Eichmann in Jerusalem, which infuriated Scholem. But not because she erred in her facts. He was incensed at her allegedly “heartless, downright malicious tone” regarding the Nazis’ mass murders of Judaics, and he cast aspersions on her in the pages of Encounter magazine. Arendt had transgressed, according to Scholem, because she had failed to write in deference to the supreme criterion that must be the idol of every Judaic person: “ahavath Israel” (“love for the Jews”). The truths that Arendt had written were utterly beside the point.

If it turns out that Zionism is the best vehicle in our time for advancing Judaic supremacy, then most of the gedolei (rabbinic elite) of Orthodox Judaism will continue to cooperate with it. In his novel Oliver Twist, Charles Dickens portrayed the Judaic arch-criminal Fagin donning innumerable costumes and disguises. Talmudism, Bolshevism and Zionism are the garments that Judaic megalomania dons and discards as it marches through the corridors of time."
“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 14:15 #2

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Maybe Zionists could make a powerful ally?
You can't fix stupid
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 14:17 #3

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Rocco wrote:
Maybe Zionists could make a powerful ally?

How? With what faction?
“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 14:21 #4

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Roastie wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Maybe Zionists could make a powerful ally?

How? With what faction?
With their shekels pouring into the nationalist movements right now
You can't fix stupid
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 14:57 #5

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Rocco wrote:
Roastie wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Maybe Zionists could make a powerful ally?

How? With what faction?
With their shekels pouring into the nationalist movements right now

Dream on.

So you promote Zionism and Judaism because of the Nationalist Movement?

Very short-sighted in my opinion.

They don't care about you Rocco. Never have, nor ever will. But keep believing in Trump and Alex Jones if it makes you feel better. :wissl:

“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 15:52 #6

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Don't forget the social engineering efforts to include criticism of Israel and its political and military activities under "antisemitism" and/or "hate speech".

Such Newspeak fascism gives the Zionists carte blanche to commit whatever atrocities they like.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:29 #7

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Well i think you need to amend your op roast because nowhere have i ever said zionism is a good thing.

I have also just yesterday pointed out in a thread on general chat that israel and al quds have been exchanging missile fire across syria and the potential for that to escalate to ww3 is very real

I would not want the world to go to war for the sake of protecting such a contentious place as israel.

Neither do i think there should be dual citizens of israel extorting money from the USA

In fact i would suggest for any nation the idea of dual citizens holding positions of political power should be outright banned

And that goes for all dual citizens not just israelis

So i think you should take a good long look at what i do say and what i do post becaue nothing i post is for the purpose of supporting zionism

The fact they have latched onto nations which i DO support is another matter

As in TRUMP ... I inderstand why america voted him in roast and i will not get on the anti trump train just to please the commies and islamists

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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:32 #8

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Gaia wrote:
Don't forget the social engineering efforts to include criticism of Israel and its political and military activities under "antisemitism" and/or "hate speech".

Such Newspeak fascism gives the Zionists carte blanche to commit whatever atrocities they like.

And thats another thing.im completely against as well

Nobody should be free from criticism and we should all have the god given right to use our brains and our tongues to express our thoughts

Im very.much pro.freedom of conscience and freedom of expression

I cant stand hate speech laws and i know that it was jews who introduced that crap yes

They are the cheekiest bastards of them all yes
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:32 #9

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Where are the right wing "free speech warriors" who care so much about freedom of speech to talk about how the US government are trying to and have passed anti-BDS legislation. They are trying to make it so it is illegal to boycott Israel, and that there will be punishments for doing so. So are they forcing you to do business with Zionist companies ? What kind of madness is this ?

But where are the free speech warriors who cry and bitch about racists being kicked off of Youtube (a private company) yet they have nothing to say about the government trying to FORCE people to do business with an apartheid state.

It is clear that these right wing fascists do not care about freedom of speech one bit.

These crooks in congress are more worried about passing this anti-BDS legislation that figuring out how to get the government shutdown resolved. Truly disgusting.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:37 #10

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Vancity they just agreed to re open govt yesterday for 30 days so please keep up and stop watching cnn its bad for your health

With regard to bds i also agree its ridiculous to make it.against the law to boycott a nation with your own money

I dont think its a good thing at all to have dual citizens in political office and the practice should be banned outright

I support anybodies right to boycott.a nations goods if they feel the need to.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:46 #11

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Also roast why do you think i am so vocal about all this anti white shit that gets spread around ?

I know exactly who is pushing it and why.

And its not blacks and mexicans or first nations from america.

The people pushing it are jews and they have made an enemy of me by default for doing so.

Not zionists. Jews.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:47 #12

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This is the real goal of Zionism.

You have an alliance of Christian and Jewish Zionists. If you dig deeper the people behind these 2 groups are neither Christian or Jewish in the traditional sense. They are followers of the "Mystery Schools" and many of its escoteric offshoots, the most famous being Freemasonry. Kabbalah is also a part of this. THe Chabad Lubavich movement is the largest of the Hasidic sects of Judaism. Hasidic Judaism draws from the freemasonic Kabbalah.

What they are trying to do is create an "end times" scenario. They are trying to enact the book of Revelations, where supposedly many nations will fight against "the Jewish State" the following battle will result in the return of Christ, with him establishing a 1000 year kingdom ruled from Jerusalem. That is the Christian version. The Jewish version is that a new messiah (not Jesus) will return, and the Muslims also have a version where prophet Muhammad will return with Christ.

The followers of the Mystery Schools also have their version, and what they are trying to do is create a false version of this prophecy. First of all they have created a false Jewish nation (the modern state of Israel 1948) funded by the Rothschilds and their freemasonic agenda.

This false nation of Israel, lead by Eastern European peoples who are not even semetic is to instigate what we would come to know as WW3 in the middle east. From here the world manipulators can proclaim the end of days as nations come against Israel, and the Christian Zionists will lead their followers to support all of this, as the Zionists in Israel do battle against their enemies.

They will then usher in the false messiah or anti-Christ.

This is what these psychos are trying to accomplish, a massive world war, a "clash of civilizations" which is why Israel is funding far right nationalist movements all accross Europe. Worldwide chaos, death, destruction, and instability to be followed by their aftermath of such destruction. It must be resisted at all costs and exposed for what it is.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:52 #13

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Also roast why do you think i am so vocal about all this anti white shit that gets spread around ?

I know exactly who is pushing it and why.

And its not blacks and mexicans or first nations from america.

The people pushing it are jews and they have made an enemy of me by default for doing so.

Not zionists. Jews.

In case you haven't noticed Jews are pushing white supremacy in every form it exists on this earth right now. Very convenient for you to ignore this.

The Jews who run this world are white by the way. They are eastern Europeans (Ashkenazi) who converted to the religion in the Khazarian empire around 900-1000 CE. These people are primarily European DNA, it has been proven and admitted. So why on earth would white people be promoting "hatred of themselves"

What they are trying to do is to create worldwide division and they are stoking all sides, racially, ethnically, culturally, and religiously, and you are the biggest shill/sucker for their white supremacist agenda which they are and have been pushing for hundreds of years.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:56 #14

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See what pisses me off about you vancity is your lack of empathy.

You seem to assume white people have been floating on the wings of doves all this time.

As for your white supremacy well why are the white populations set to tank in number in the next 100 years while other races inside our own nations are set to increase ?

Not a very good plan for supremacy is it you fucking fool ?
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 16:58 #15

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In response to the shill that is Mr Anderson and his white supremacist agenda.

Let it never be forgotten that ZIONISM and WHITE SUPREMACY work hand in hand, and always have been at every step through history.

Whether it is Hitler and his alliance with Zionists in the creation of Israel

Whether it is Israel being the number one supporter of Apartheid South Africa, and their cooperation on nuclear weapons and race specific warfare

Whether it is Israel leading all of the current "populist" "nationalist" ie White supremacist movements in the western world.

Whether it is Israel propping up Donald Trump who has done more for the re awakening of white supremacy than any person on the face of the earth.


White Supremacy is simply White Zionism. Their goal is the same, they use the same tactics and propaganda. They use the same bogus victim complex to support their aggression.

Fuck supremacy of all kinds, whether Jewish of white supremacy. Jewish supremacy is simply a branch of white supremacy.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 17:01 #16

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Also i go to work everyday with blacks east indians first nations.phillipinos mexicans and all sorts

We all get along fine at work and i dont habe a special white card to make me more.money or get free parking or anything of the sort.

At the lower levels of society where i have to operate i am on the same footing as everyone else.

So dont push this shit on me ive got nothing to do with it.

I love my family and my anceators frim ireland thank you very.much.

They were allways part of a resistance to the crown and the republic.of ireland was born thanks to the geographical area in which my ancestors lived and faught.

So give it a rest with me. I am not your problem.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 17:06 #17

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Anderson, don't allow that troll to derail the topic, it is about Zionism.

Zionism was popularized by the same guy who coined "National Socialism" (what Zionism in essence is) and "Marxism" (he was the mentor of Mordecai Levy); (((Moses Hess))).
Moses Hess was a Jewish philosopher and socialist, and one of the founders of Labor Zionism.

Hess (born June 21, 1812; died April 6, 1875) was born in Bonn to an orthodox Jewish family. He received a traditional Jewish education but as an autodidact learnt German and French as a means to secular learning. Initially, Hess was a utopian socialist but following his acquaintance with Marx he moved toward a more scientific determinist understanding.

Hess contributed toward Marx's "Communist Manifesto" written in 1848 in particular the term "religion as the opium of the masses."Following the unification of Italy, the rise of nationalism in that country and the emergence of German antisemitism, Hess returned to his Jewish roots. His booklet Rome and Jerusalem; The Last National Question, written in 1862 is evidence of this change. However, his proposed Jewish State was to be socialist in nature. Hess died in Paris although at his request was buried in the Jewish cemetery in Cologne. However, in 1961 his remains were transferred to Israel where they were buried in the Kinneret cemetery alongside other Socialist-Zionists such as Nahum Syrkin, Ber Borochov, and Berl Katznelson.
When his father died in 1851, Hess used his inheritance to marry a prostitute, in defiance of social norms. Hess was originally an assimilationist Jew who turned first to utopian and then to scientific socialism. Hess was a friend and collaborator of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Hess converted Engels to Communism, and introduced Marx to social and economic problems. He played a an important role in transforming Hegelian dialectical idealism theory of history to the dialectical materialism of Marxism, by conceiving of man as the initiator of history rather than as a mere observer.
Despite Moses Hess' advocacy since 1862 of a separate "National Socialism" for Jews, he remained an active member of Marx' Communist faction of the First International; Marx even nominated him as his representative at sessions he could not attend.
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Hess' book Rome and Jerusalem (1862) is very important, showing how the Zionist movement drew upon Hegelian thinking to develop a consciousness of the Jews as a historical people on the world stage. All New Left "Liberation" groups (Gay, Feminist etc.) have developed (perhaps "manufactured" would be a better word) a Hegelian historical consciousness of their own group; the Nazis did the same. Such a Hegelian consciousness has proved a powerful motivating force.

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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 17:09 #18

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MrAnderson wrote:
Also i go to work everyday with blacks east indians first nations.phillipinos mexicans and all sorts

We all get along fine at work and i dont habe a special white card to make me more.money or get free parking or anything of the sort.

At the lower levels of society where i have to operate i am on the same footing as everyone else.

So dont push this shit on me ive got nothing to do with it.

I love my family and my anceators frim ireland thank you very.much.

They were allways part of a resistance to the crown and the republic.of ireland was born thanks to the geographical area in which my ancestors lived and faught.

So give it a rest with me. I am not your problem.

you are not an honest person and you constantly create strawman arguments and intentionally misrepresent peoples positions.

White supremacy doesn't guarantee every single white person a lavish life you fool, never has and never was intended to. Its simply a way to break up solidarity between working class peoples of all races, and your dumb ass is falling for it hook line and sinker.

No you are not my problem, not until you and other dumb asses like yourself want to organize around fascist movements in order to be used by the elites as an instrument to further their agenda.

in that context YES YOU ARE VERY MUCH MY PROBLEM.

The elites don't do the dirt themselves. They get useful idiots like yourself to do the dirt. That's why they have given you a sense to feel racially entitled, and why they want you to act out on such.

The same way Zionists get Jews to feel entitled and victimized, the white supremacists do the same to you, through their brainwashing and propaganda outlets.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 17:14 #19

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Anderson, don't allow that troll to derail the topic, it is about Zionism.

LOL you are a fraud. I am derailing the topic ?

I was discussing Zionism. The shill and real troll (who defends zionism by the way) started talking about "anti-whiteness" Thats all he ever talks about, and that IS a Zionist talking point.

You can hear about "anti-whiteness" every night on Zionist Rupert Murdoch's Fox News by listening to operatives like Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingraham.

You can hear about "anti-whitness" by going on Zionist Breitbart, (which was created in Israel)

You can hear about "anti-whiteness" by listening to Zionist infowars or Zionist Paul Joseph Watson.
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Let's talk about Zionism 26 Jan 2019 17:17 #20

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this is exactly why I dont engage in serious conversation with you vancity and instead just go right for the jugular

you are a danger to not only me but anyone of any race or creed

here I am telling you at which levels of society I operate , alongside people of all races in a dirty and dangerous work environment ( the kind of places that lead to having some of the worst work place death records across the globe you twat ) and all you can do is bullshit to me about white supremacy when clearly those of us at this level of society are working on an equal footing every day

your just a really twisted up commie vancity , I really dont like you and I'm comfortable with that position and I hope you are too
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