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United States/Mexican Border 11 Feb 2019 20:14 #121

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As a matter of interest, suppose the wall gets built by Trump but then the Dems win the next Pres election, will the new Dem President order it to be knocked down?

they can stop the funding, so it wont be knocked down, it just wont be finished.

The Republicans are lying that the wall will only cost 5 billion. The true cost could be upwards of 20 billion dollars.

There are a lot of legal issues that have to be resolved with paying people to have the wall built on their property. THat will take a while and it will be costly.

The wall is just one big vanity project for Trump, and a useless symbol for his cult following.
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United States/Mexican Border 11 Feb 2019 20:17 #122

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Ugh wrote:
As a matter of interest, suppose the wall gets built by Trump but then the Dems win the next Pres election, will the new Dem President order it to be knocked down?

they'll naturalise the 22 illegal immigrants in the US

this will give them the voter base required to push any policy through

then they'll disarm the US population

They'll make trans-american trade deals that will see the borders opened up and nation states dissolved through the mass movements of people

You keep quoting 22 million illegals but that is based on estimates of one study from Yale, where the methods have widely been claimed to be innacurate.

There are 3 or 4 other government sources that all have similar numbers at just over 10 million.
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United States/Mexican Border 11 Feb 2019 21:21 #123

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The Republicans are lying that the wall will only cost 5 billion. The true cost could be upwards of 20 billion dollars..

No doubt all sensible Americans will know a price can't be put on the safety of themselves and their families to keep out bad hombres and illegal scroungers..:)
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Hey, one way for Trump to save money on the wall would be not to build it along the borders of California and New Mexico because they voted against him and his wall in the election..:)
So when the invaders pour into those and other anti-Trump states along the yellow arrows to pump American kids full of drugs and rape women and do other nasty stuff, Trump can smugly say- "You didn't want a wall, so it serves you right"..:)


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United States/Mexican Border 11 Feb 2019 21:30 #125

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Joy Villa's, "build the wall "dress at the Grammys






Bet that made some heads explode?
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 00:03 #126

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iamawaveintheocean wrote
they'll naturalise the 22 illegal immigrants in the US

you mean the 22 million illegal immigrants :)
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 00:11 #127

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Vancity wrote
The wall is just one big vanity project for Trump, and a useless symbol for his cult following.

Tell that to all the southern border patrol agents who actually patrol the border on a daily basis. They know far more than you do about what they need to properly patrol the border. You tell that to them and see what kind of reaction you get.
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 14:09 #128

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An 'agreement in principle' has been reached.. $1.357 Billion for 55 miles of new border barriers. Nothing anywhere close to the $5.7 Billion he was asking for, was demanding, for 200 miles of barriers.

He didn't even have to strike a deal with the dems for this wall. He could have used 10 U.S.C § 284 to direct the military to build the wall to secure the southern border from drug trafficking and international crime cartels.

He didn't. He hasn't.

Hannity Blasts ‘Garbage’ Border-Wall Compromise

Fox News commentator Sean Hannity bashed Congress’ tentative border-wall funding deal reached Monday night while he was covering President Trump’s rally in El Paso, Texas, urging Republicans not to get behind what he described as a “garbage” compromise.

The potential accord would allocate $1.375 billion to build 55 miles of new border barriers—a figure The Sean Hannity Show host said is peanuts compared to the $5.7 billion President Donald Trump previously demanded for the construction of 200 miles of wall along the U.S.-Mexico boundary.

“On this new so-called compromise… $1.3 billion?... That’s not even a wall, a barrier,” he said as Trump drummed up support for a wall at the rally about one mile from the Mexican border.

“Any Republican that supports this garbage compromise, you’ll have to explain. Look at this crowd, look at the country, look at CBS News. Even they say 72 percent of the American people want the heroin to stop, the cartels to stop, the gang members to stop, and those that wish us ill,” he said.

Democrats also made concessions as part of the tentative agreement reached Monday night—including dropping their proposal to limit the number of detained immigrants caught inside the U.S.—in an effort to strike a border-wall deal and avoid another partial government shutdown.

www.thedailybeast.com/hannity-blasts-garbage-border-wall-compromise

Lawmakers reach 'agreement in principle' in border security talks, with $1.3B for barrier

Congressional negotiators revealed Monday evening that they've reached "an agreement in principle" on border security funding that includes more than $1.3 billion for physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

When asked if they had an agreement that President Trump would approve, Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, told reporters: "We think so. We hope so." Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., the chair of the House Appropriations Committee, declined to give details of the deal but said a final text could be released by Wednesday.

Lawmakers have until 11:59 p.m. Friday to get the agreement through both houses of Congress and signed by Trump before several Cabinet-level departments shut down and hundreds of thousands of federal workers are furloughed in what would be the second partial government shutdown this year.

Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

Talks nearly collapsed over the weekend after Democrats pushed to reduce funding for detention beds to curb what they've called unnecessarily harsh enforcement by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). A proposal to cap at 16,500 the number of detainees caught in areas away from the border — a limit Democrats said was aimed at preventing ICE overreach — ran into its own Republican wall.

Shelby told reporters Monday night that the bed issue had been worked out, but declined to give details. "We think it's going to work," he said. "We had some hard negotiations."

Sources told Fox News the agreement would provide enough money for 42,774 adult and 2,500 child beds with the goal of reducing that number to approximately 40,250 by the end of September. However, the White House has the ability to shift some money in the bill without a congressional blessing in order to provide more money for the wall or more detention beds. With that in mind, sources tell Fox News the total number of beds could go as high as 52,000, though there is no technical limit on the amount.

According to ICE figures, 66 percent of the nearly 159,000 immigrants it reported detaining last year were previously convicted of crimes.

www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-reach-agreement-in-principle-on-border-security-talks-with-13b-for-barrier

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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 14:38 #129

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they can stop the funding, so it wont be knocked down, it just wont be finished.

The Republicans are lying that the wall will only cost 5 billion. The true cost could be upwards of 20 billion dollars..

all that money would go to construction firms and the men who work in them

those men would then be in a better position to support their families financially

as they are working men they will likely spend all the money right back into the US economy
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You keep quoting 22 million illegals but that is based on estimates of one study from Yale, where the methods have widely been claimed to be innacurate.

There are 3 or 4 other government sources that all have similar numbers at just over 10 million.

and do those government sources (so therefore definately NOT trustworthy!) know of EVERY single person who is in the US illegally?

No they don't. So they can only record what they are aware of not all the people they are NOT aware of therefore their figures will be low of the actual figure
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 14:49 #130

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Hey, one way for Trump to save money on the wall would be not to build it along the borders of California and New Mexico because they voted against him and his wall in the election..:)
So when the invaders pour into those and other anti-Trump states along the yellow arrows to pump American kids full of drugs and rape women and do other nasty stuff, Trump can smugly say- "You didn't want a wall, so it serves you right"..:)
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I'm all for this idea

I think they should build the wall up around much of california. This way they can wall out both hollywood and silicon valley both of which are part of the anti-borders movement

Anyone working in hollywood or silicon valley who has expressed anti-wall sentiments should not be granted entry into the USA

The US should then say to the mexican supremacists who want a 'reconquista' of the southern states ''we are giving you southern california but that's it. You can have that but anything else will be strongly repulsed''

All illegals could then be deported into southern california along with all the democrats who have expressed anti-US sentiments. Antifa should be deported there for sure

Louis Farrakhan of the nation of islam wants his own country for his supporters so perhaps a segment at the northern end of the walled off part of california could be given to them. They could then act as a buffer against further incursions of mexican 'rasa' brown supremacists

All these people who hate the US so much can get exactly what they wish for: their own patch of land outside the US. Just build a wall around them and deny them any visa access to the US so that they can't inject any toxicicity into the lifeblood of the country from within.

Lets see how well their communist utopia pans out. I think it would provide a very good test site for everyone to observe what happens when these angry elements are all put together in an area without the conservative elements that they despise so much

Lets see how they get on together. vancity eagle and Frothy should definately move there; it will be a real education for them to live only with 'liberals' and immigrants and with none of those nasty conservative white men around. Lets see if they build a beacon of tolerance
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 14:52 #131

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iamawaveofthesea wrote:
Ugh wrote:
Hey, one way for Trump to save money on the wall would be not to build it along the borders of California and New Mexico because they voted against him and his wall in the election..:)
So when the invaders pour into those and other anti-Trump states along the yellow arrows to pump American kids full of drugs and rape women and do other nasty stuff, Trump can smugly say- "You didn't want a wall, so it serves you right"..:)
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I'm all for this idea

I think they should build the wall up around much of california. This way they can wall out both hollywood and silicon valley both of which are part of the anti-borders movement

Anyone working in hollywood or silicon valley who has expressed anti-wall sentiments should not be granted entry into the USA

The US should then say to the mexican supremacists who want a 'reconquista' of the southern states ''we are giving you southern california but that's it. You can have that but anything else will be strongly repulsed''

All illegals could then be deported into southern california along with all the democrats who have expressed anti-US sentiments

Louis Farrakhan of the nation of islam wants his own country for his supporters so perhaps a segment at the northern end of the walled off part of california could be given to them. They could then act as a buffer against further incursions of mexican 'rasa' brown supremacists

All these people who hate the US so much can get exactly what they wish for: their own patch of land outside the US. Just build a wall around them and deny them any visa access to the US so that they can't inject any toxicicty into the lifeblood of the country from within.

Lets see how well their communist utopia pans out. I think it would provide a very could test site for everyone to observe what happens when these angry elements are all put together in an area without the conservative elements that they despise so much

Lets see how they get on together
We should definitely give CA back to Mexico
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 14:57 #132

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We should definitely give CA back to Mexico

no i think we declare it the worlds first 'liberal' nation. We deport all the marxists there.

Then we see how the marxists get on with the rasa reconquistas

It will be very educational for many people. I think it will help people to undergo a rapid maturation process. they will have to move into adulthood
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 15:32 #133

what will happen is the marxist elements deported into the new 'liberal nation' will be faced with the naked reality of hordes of mexican nationalists seeking to pour into their southern border

The entirety of wall street should also be deported there along with anyone who has called hard working americans 'deplorables'

They will find that those rasa reconquistas are focused on BROWN interests not jewish or black or white liberal interests and they will find that they have very different views on how society should be run for example they will not share the marxists views on the destruction of the family and its replacement with the state

It would be interesting to see how antifa and black lives matter fare in the street battles that would ensue against the rasa reconquista coming from the south

The caravans of migrants would of course head for that area because it would be the new weak point as there would be a wall all the way across the US except for at that point of that now walled off part of california and of course the new liberal nation could not build a wall on their own southern border because that would be 'immoral'...
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 15:37 #134

can you imagine how frothys and vancity eagles last forum post would go as the reconquista surrounded their internet cafe?

''help!!! help!!! we're sorry!!! We're so sorry!!! We understand now! You were right! We've been so naive! Please just let us come back in and we'll never complain again!!!''
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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 16:38 #135

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iamawaveofthesea wrote:
I think they should build the wall up around much of california. This way they can wall out both hollywood and silicon valley both of which are part of the anti-borders movement..
All illegals could then be deported into southern california along with all the democrats who have expressed anti-US sentiments. Antifa should be deported there for sure..

I hear the San Andreas fault is overdue to let a big one rip, so hopefully it'll create a moat around LA like in 'Escape From LA' (below) where undesirables can be sent and nobody will be allowed out-

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United States/Mexican Border 12 Feb 2019 19:19 #136

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United States/Mexican Border 13 Feb 2019 01:21 #137

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It looks like the Left has tried to sneak in, Amnesty for illegals in the budget deal? I do hope Trump is smart enough not to sign it?

www.alipac.us/f8/secret-amnesty-plans-budget-deal-bill-withheld-american-public-369868/]
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United States/Mexican Border 13 Feb 2019 01:32 #138

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It looks like the Left has tried to sneak in, Amnesty for illegals in the budget deal? If Trump signs this spending deal, he's finished.

It's his own son-in-law who is promoting this deal. When is Trump going to smarten up and fire Jared Kushner?

www.alipac.us/f8/secret-amnesty-plans-budget-deal-bill-withheld-american-public-369868/]

I seem.to.remember any suggestion of amnesty included only those in work and with no criminal record also if they.commit a crime while waiting.for citizenship it would be adios back you go

Another problem is this is a.part of a global agenda.to.flood.all.nations of european descent.with non whites

But yeh .. Kushner shouldnt be making these.deals ... All.dual.citizens should be barred.from.holding.political.office

He also.resembles.a.walking snake

Which is creepy AF
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United States/Mexican Border 13 Feb 2019 22:07 #139

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Trump say's he's holding off on signing the spending Bill because he's "looking for landmines" in the Bill. IMO, the whole fuking Bill is one big landmine? The American people deserve better.

My prediction is, Trump will sign the Bill to avoid another government shut-down with promises to secure wall funding sometime in the future? Sure, his administration will spin it as some kind of "win", but it's not. He will have caved on a major campaign promise and granted amnesty to illegals if he signs the Bill.

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United States/Mexican Border 14 Feb 2019 01:39 #140

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See what I mean, they're already calling it a , "big win". It's NOT a big win, it's a compromise. WTF good is part of a wall?

www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/13/rand-paul-trump-won-big-victory-with-border-wall-deal/
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