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TOPIC: What causes War?

What causes War? 24 Apr 2013 16:50 #21

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Maoist # 23 wrote:
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Quotations from Mao Tse Tung

www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch05.htm

Quoting without reference shows a considerable amount of insincerity.

Do the words resonate as an effective counter to bourgeois assumption?
Perhaps that is the question you should be asking.
How has your link changed what is said?

Our educational policy must enable everyone who receives an education to develop morally, intellectually and physically and become a worker with both socialist consciousness and culture.


On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People (February 27, 1959), 1st pocket ed., p. 44.
www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch16.htm

In case I want to read these quotations I know where to find them. No need for further c & p.
"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
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and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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What causes War? 24 Apr 2013 17:51 #22

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
In case I want to read these quotations I know where to find them. No need for further c & p.

A person who carries a false quotation never said by the supposed originator for an avatar claims mastery of quotations. A link is demanded for quotations while carrying a quotation for which there is no link. Perhaps you experience a state of confusion borne of alienation.

Complacency is the enemy of study. We cannot really learn anything until we rid ourselves of complacency. Our attitude towards ourselves should be "to be insatiable in learning" and towards others "to be tireless in teaching".

Perhaps you just learned something. Perhaps you did not care to learn.
Another here is blind to truth. Yourself?

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What causes War? 24 Apr 2013 18:13 #23

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Thanks, I am not interested.
"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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What causes War? 24 Apr 2013 19:19 #24

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As a social being, man participates in all spheres of the practical life of society.

Thus man, in varying degrees, comes to know the different relations between man and man, not only through his everyday life, but also through his political and cultural life.

In man's political and cultural existence, grounded in his everyday experience, class struggle in particular, in all its various forms, exerts a profound influence on the development of man's knowledge.
In class society everyone lives as a member of a particular class, and every kind of thinking, without exception, is stamped with the unmistakeable brand of a class.
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What causes War? 29 May 2013 15:37 #25

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War, this monster of mutual slaughter among men, will be finally eliminated by the progress of human society, and in the not too distant future too. But there is only one way to eliminate it and that is to oppose war with war, to oppose counterrevolutionary war with revolutionary war, to oppose national counter-revolutionary war with national revolutionary war, and to oppose counter-revolutionary class war with revolutionary class war.... When human society advances to the point where classes and states are eliminated, there will be no more wars, counter-revolutionary or revolutionary, unjust or just; that will be the era of perpetual peace for mankind. Our study of the laws of revolutionary war springs from the desire to eliminate all wars. Herein, lies the distinction between us Communists and all the exploiting classes.
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 08:50 #26

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I used to believe, based on my observations of history and personal experience, that humans were naturally evil. But in the last decade or so, I've come to see that humans are not naturally evil, but are naturally selfish. We care about ourselves. We care about our immediate family and those who are related to us. We care about our friends. We care about those who are like us in some way, whether that be a clan, tribe, ethnic group or nation. We want the best for those people we care about. Unfortunately, we live on a globe with local, regional and global scarcities and a large number of differing gatherings of people.

When faced with a scarcity, such as oil, food, land or water, we can set down with the other competing interests and work out a mutually beneficial arrangements. Those with the scarce resources can trade the resource to those without without having to maximize their profits and those without can minimize their need for the scarce resource so as to not greatly impose on the group that has the resource. However, this negotiation requires that we care as much about the other group as we do about the group that we are part of. And while a very few individuals may be able to break free of the selfishness they have for their own groups, the vast majority of people refuse to break free of their group selfishness. So those without the scarce resource seek to take the resource from those who have it at a price that is minimal to them. And, if they are willing to give up the scarce resource, those with the resource attempt to maximize the price others have to pay for the resource.

It is this competition for scarce resources that causes war. We want what the other group has and are willing to take it and, often, the other group has enough to share, but does not want to share equitably and is willing to fight to keep the abundance they have. And God help the fish, which has nothing to offer, caught between two cats, who want the fish for dinner.

Further, I don't see a solution, or at least a man-made solution. For as long as we have made war, we have had people call for peace. And, there have been those who have sought a negotiated settlement only to be met by a group that wanted the scarce resource for only itself. As long as we treat each other selfishly, we will have war. And, being selfish is inherent with being human...
" Vietnam was the first war ever fought without any censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind "

General William Westmoreland Time magazine, Apr. 5, 1982

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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 08:58 #27

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The creation of abundance would be the solution I think. Working with nature, not against nature, growing more food. I think we could create abundance, or maybe create is not quite the right word, help abundance to spread and nurture it, help nature along.

The last thing tptb want is a world of abundance.

I think Hemp is a big part of the answer too. I don't know much about it, only what I've heard about it's versatility, and ease and speed of growth and that.

I think a lot of scarcity is manufactured by those that seek to control the world.
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 11:06 #28

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I think Hemp is a big part of the answer too. I don't know much about it, only what I've heard about it's versatility, and ease and speed of growth and that.

I'd love to plant fields of hemp, might look into it.

They dont call weed weed for no reason, it grows well. :chuckle:
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 11:11 #29

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You can make cars out of it, clothes out of it, it grows all over the gaff, it seems like the Earth's most incredible resource, and clean and environmentally friendly too.

The men in the suits know there's more money in oil and stuff though :chuckle: Hemp isn't good for the slave machine :hahano:
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 11:31 #30

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You can make cars out of it, clothes out of it, it grows all over the gaff, it seems like the Earth's most incredible resource, and clean and environmentally friendly too.

The men in the suits know there's more money in oil and stuff though :chuckle: Hemp isn't good for the slave machine :hahano:

Yeah ive read quite a bit about hemp.

I recall something about DuPont corporation not being a fan as it competed with synthetic products they were making.

Its actually been recently legalised in one state in Australia that i know of, New South Wales. I read it makes about 5 grand an acre from memory apparently, and some of the growers in NSW are currently pushing for other laws and rules to be changed which will create more markets for it whether it be the stems or seeds and so on.

Though im sure there are opposing agendas that dont want to see it take off. All farming is under attack in Australia anyway one way or another, or at the least the corporations effectively enslave growers, pay them little and make huge profits on mark ups on the retail end, its far from balanced. But i expect no different from Blackrock and Vanguard owned corporations. :hahano:
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 11:38 #31

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I should read up on Hemp actually :chuckle:

Sense and decency will override money and the love of profits and control freakery one day :D
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What causes War? 01 Jun 2013 16:14 #32

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I used to believe, based on my observations of history and personal experience, that humans were naturally evil. But in the last decade or so, I've come to see that humans are not naturally evil, but are naturally selfish. We care about ourselves. We care about our immediate family and those who are related to us. We care about our friends. We care about those who are like us in some way, whether that be a clan, tribe, ethnic group or nation. We want the best for those people we care about. Unfortunately, we live on a globe with local, regional and global scarcities and a large number of differing gatherings of people..


I agree with this....
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The creation of abundance would be the solution I think. Working with nature, not against nature, growing more food. I think we could create abundance, or maybe create is not quite the right word, help abundance to spread and nurture it, help nature along.

The last thing tptb want is a world of abundance. .


I also agree with this...
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What causes War? 02 Jun 2013 23:02 #33

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Only those who are subjective, one-sided and superficial in their approach to problems will smugly issue orders or directives the moment they arrive on the scene, without considering the circumstances, without viewing things in their totality (their history and their present state as a whole) and without getting to the essence of things (their nature and the internal relations between one thing and another). Such people are bound to trip and fall.

Still, we can learn what we did not know. We are not only good at destroying the Old World, we can also build the new.
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What causes War? 02 Jun 2013 23:38 #34

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Q. How many maoists do you need to start a revolution?

How many lightbulbs that need changing have you got? :chuckle:
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What causes War? 02 Jun 2013 23:49 #35

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How many lightbulbs that need changing have you got? :chuckle:

Not as many as I used to have at one time! ;) :chuckle:
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Maoist #1 wrote:
What causes War?

Would you believe... terrorists?

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What causes War? 02 Jun 2013 23:57 #37

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How many lightbulbs does it take to change a maoist?

:rofl:
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What causes War? 27 Dec 2016 14:04 #38

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What causes War?



... in kindergarten, in a family, on a forum .... on the world stage.


THE EGO meets THE SPIRIT

The ego wants to subjugate the spirit.

But the spirit always wins and this is why the ego wants to eliminate the spirit.

Impossible!

As long as the ego - which is like a spoilt brat who claims to be the intellect - is allowed to rule, there is war.

In the end the spirit always wins.

And if it does not win, it's not the end :)

This is the good news about war.

As simple as that.

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What causes War? 27 Dec 2016 16:20 #39

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Diplomatic breakdowns cause wars as a rule.
War being 'diplomacy conducted by other means'.
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What causes War? 27 Dec 2016 20:44 #40

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What causes war?

Psychopath power-hungry and immoral industrialist Crazy Apes seeking to increase their control over their fellow Homo sapiens, at the cost of many lives, the truth and wasted bombs.
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