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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 00:07 #1

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/06/law-to-stop-eveyone-everything

On Wednesday the Antisocial Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill reaches its report stage (close to the end of the process) in the House of Lords. It is remarkable how little fuss has been made about it, and how little we know of what is about to hit us.

The bill would permit injunctions against anyone of 10 or older who "has engaged or threatens to engage in conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person". It would replace asbos with ipnas (injunctions to prevent nuisance and annoyance), which would not only forbid certain forms of behaviour, but also force the recipient to discharge positive obligations. In other words, they can impose a kind of community service order on people who have committed no crime, which could, the law proposes, remain in force for the rest of their lives.

The bill also introduces public space protection orders, which can prevent either everybody or particular kinds of people from doing certain things in certain places. It creates new dispersal powers, which can be used by the police to exclude people from an area (there is no size limit), whether or not they have done anything wrong.

While, as a result of a successful legal challenge, asbos can be granted only if a court is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that antisocial behaviour took place, ipnas can be granted on the balance of probabilities. Breaching them will not be classed as a criminal offence, but can still carry a custodial sentence: without committing a crime, you can be imprisoned for up to two years. Children, who cannot currently be detained for contempt of court, will be subject to an inspiring new range of punishments for breaking an ipna, including three months in a young offenders' centre.

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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 00:30 #2

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As the infrastructure crumbles, it will become necessary to become increasingly tyrannical to retain power. This is just part of tptb getting prepared.The truth is it does not have to be this way but those in power are selected not to have imagination.
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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 08:56 #3

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Well the Police need the illusion of legality for it to be called a Police State you know. Tyrannts have always done things legally and within the law.... the ones they have written of course. Doesn't make them right of course. But it depends what level of tyranny people will put up with.


Well blow me down with a feather... some of the crusty's have shot it down...

www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/01/08/you-re-annoying-so-go-away-political-protests-under-threat-f
Last Edit: 09 Jan 2014 09:02 by Paul Tootall. Reason: Found a story on it been shot down
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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 09:48 #4

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Maybe it dawned on them that, it could be used against the upper classes as well as us lot made them think again.
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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 11:36 #5

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Or maybe they worked out that the groups of people who they want to use to beat the rest of us round the head with would be against this as well ;)
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ipnas -new laws that can stop anyone from doing almost anything 09 Jan 2014 12:07 #6

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Defeated today, but it will return to Commons.

"Despite the Lords' clear acceptance of the need to protect freedom of speech, the Home Office remains defiant and could attempt to override the defeat when the antisocial behaviour, crime and policing bill returns to the Commons.
Crime prevention minister Norman Baker said: "The bill was never intended to ban noisy children or carol singers and does not do so as currently drafted. I am disappointed the Lords fell for what appear to be scare stories. We've already provided alternative wording to provide reassurance that will reflect further given the position the Lords have taken."

Ministers won't give up on law targeting 'annoying' people
Alex Stevenson Thursday, 9 January 2014 9:34 AM

www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/01/09/ministers-won-t-give-up-on-law-targeting-annoying-people
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