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TOPIC: Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat

Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 13 Apr 2014 17:02 #1

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The security services in Germany are scrambling to track down and arrest far-right fugitives and Germany's federal and state interior ministers have announced they are taking concrete steps towards banning the country's far right National Democratic Party, the NPD.

This comes after a public outcry following revelations in November that a neo-Nazi cell had apparently been able to go on a nationwide spree of racially motivated murders over several years, under the noses of the German intelligence services.

The group of three are being held responsible for the deaths of eight Turkish and one Greek immigrant between 2000 and 2006, as well as a German policewoman in 2007.

Yet the existence of the group, dubbed the Zwickau cell after the name of the town where they spent most of their time in hiding, only came to light in November when two of its members died in an apparent joint suicide or murder-suicide and the third handed herself in to the authorities.

The NPD has been linked to the group, though the allegations have yet to be accepted in a court of law.

The trio had made a DVD in which they boasted of the killings and said they had acted to serve the German nation and its people, describing themselves as the National Socialist Underground - echoing the national socialism (Nazism) of Hitler's Germany.......

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17514394

The article is from 2012, but an interesting read about modern day Nazi's in Germany.
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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 13 Apr 2014 18:25 #2

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After reading the above article, no wonder we have hate speech laws.

As an example, Germany....

In Germany, Volksverhetzung ("incitement of popular hatred") is a punishable offense under Section 130 of the Strafgesetzbuch (Germany's criminal code) and can lead to up to five years imprisonment. Section 130 makes it a crime to publicly incite hatred against parts of the population or to call for violent or arbitrary measures against them or to insult, maliciously slur or defame them in a manner violating their (constitutionally protected) human dignity. Thus for instance it is illegal to publicly call certain ethnic groups "maggots" or "freeloaders". Volksverhetzung is punishable in Germany even if committed abroad and even if committed by non-German citizens, if only the incitement of hatred takes effect within German territory, e.g. the seditious sentiment was expressed in German writ or speech and made accessible in Germany (German criminal code's Principle of Ubiquity, Section 9 §1 Alt. 3 and 4 of the Strafgesetzbuch).

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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 13 Apr 2014 19:43 #3

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Looks as if you are trying to outdo the Daily Fail in atavistic anti-Germanism and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, Pheony :)

To be honest, I don't believe in the lurid stories that there are so many "Hollywood"-Nazis here in Germany, except in the photoshop archives of the tabloids of course, I never met one, but there are loads of them in the ZIOUSA, where the most fanatic, criminal "neo-Nazi" gangs are not only massively infiltrated but founded by Zionists, as you surely know.

Many people are completely fed up with mainstream lies that were forced down their throats by tptb and their msm 24/7 from kindergarten on and there seems to be a worldwide trend to finally get the information from the horse's mouth, at least if you believe in what the mouthpieces of the current system spread:


Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ tops ebook sales

The Nazi dictator’s controversial manifesto is among the bestselling political books on Amazon and iTunes.



There is an unlikely new bestselling author in the world of ebooks, and his name is Adolf Hitler.

On Wednesday, a 99-cent version of Mein Kampf, the Nazi leader’s manifesto, was the top-selling book on iTunes Canada’s politics and current events list. Another edition, selling for $3.99, was in the No. 6 spot.

In Amazon.ca’s Kindle store, it was the top book in the fascism category, with another version at No. 16. And on Kobo, it’s in the top 50 for reference biographies.

Mein Kampf is also racking up tens of thousands of unpaid downloads: it is the second most downloaded item at the Internet Archive’s free Universal Library Project.

Meanwhile, a sales-tracking program popular with small Canadian booksellers shows that less than 50 paperback copies of Mein Kampf were sold in Canada in the past three months.

There is no clear way to determine why readers are snapping up Hitler’s writing for their tablets. But it likely has more to do with the medium than the message: ebooks let readers study Mein Kampf without the worry that someone will catch them with a copy.

“While the Amazon and iTunes algorithms are proprietary secrets . . . current rankings suggest Mein Kampf could be following a similar trend to that of smut and romance novels,” Chris Faraone wrote on Vocativ, a U.S. news site. “People might not have wanted to buy Mein Kampf at Borders or have it delivered to their home or displayed on their living room bookshelf, let alone get spotted reading it on a subway.”

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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 13 Apr 2014 21:19 #4

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Looks as if you are trying to outdo the Daily Fail in atavistic anti-Germanism and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, Pheony :)

"Anti-Germanism"? Are you suggesting being a Nazi is inextricably tied up with being German? Germans would generally find that a highly offensive notion. It's like saying being against Soviet communism is "anti-Russianism"
And where does "political correctness" come into it? We're talking about an ideology that has at its core the persecution and murder of Jews, the disabled, the mentally ill, gay people and gypsies and promotes a totalitarian dictatorship that crushes all opposition to itself.
You go on about "free speech" a lot - you cannot simultaneously believe in free speech and have any sympathy for Nazism because Nazism fundamentally rejects the notion.
I never met one,

Are there no mirrors in your house then?

Mein Kamf is fucking awful. It's practically unreadable and I don't think that's all down to the translation. It's like being cornered by a bigoted pub bore.
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But aren't national socialists always toting out loud about freedom of speech when their ideas are being criticized? And when somebody disagrees, the opposition will be shut down if possible, by any means necessary...

If one opposes ideas of nazism, then he or she must be either a jew, a commie or otherwise inferior, or maybe a zionist agent? That's the feel I get from this shit. Oh yea, being a nazi is totally about being german, remember, its not about politics, its about race. :roll:

Funny that usually nearly all people who identify themselvel as nazis have IQ's nearing a footsize. What went wrong? These mighty footsoldiers of the master race seem to be the dimmest lights around.
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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 14 Apr 2014 01:25 #6

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After reading the above article, no wonder we have hate speech laws.

As an example, Germany....

In Germany, Volksverhetzung ("incitement of popular hatred") is a punishable offense under Section 130 of the Strafgesetzbuch (Germany's criminal code) and can lead to up to five
years imprisonment. Section 130 makes it a crime to publicly incite hatred against parts of the population or to call for violent or arbitrary measures against them or to insult, maliciously slur or defame them in a manner violating their (constitutionally protected) human dignity. Thus for instance it is illegal to publicly call certain ethnic groups "maggots" or "freeloaders". Volksverhetzung is punishable in Germany even if committed abroad and even if committed by non-German citizens, if only the incitement of hatred takes effect within German territory, e.g. the seditious sentiment was expressed in German writ or speech and made accessible in Germany (German criminal code's Principle of Ubiquity, Section 9 §1 Alt. 3 and 4 of the Strafgesetzbuch).

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Shouldn't the Talmud then be labeled hate speech? ??

I think it should. I mean it says goy women are like animals and having sex with one is like having sex with an animal.

That's pretty hateful against 3.5 billion people I would've thought.

What is said about goy women clearly sits within the above German code dealing with hate speech.
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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 14 Apr 2014 03:41 #7

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The security services in Germany are scrambling to track down and arrest far-right fugitives and Germany's federal and state interior ministers have announced they are taking concrete steps towards banning the country's far right National Democratic Party, the NPD.

This comes after a public outcry following revelations in November that a neo-Nazi cell had apparently been able to go on a nationwide spree of racially motivated murders over several years, under the noses of the German intelligence services.

The group of three are being held responsible for the deaths of eight Turkish and one Greek immigrant between 2000 and 2006, as well as a German policewoman in 2007.

Yet the existence of the group, dubbed the Zwickau cell after the name of the town where they spent most of their time in hiding, only came to light in November when two of its members died in an apparent joint suicide or murder-suicide and the third handed herself in to the authorities.

The NPD has been linked to the group, though the allegations have yet to be accepted in a court of law.

The trio had made a DVD in which they boasted of the killings and said they had acted to serve the German nation and its people, describing themselves as the National Socialist Underground - echoing the national socialism (Nazism) of Hitler's Germany.......

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17514394

The article is from 2012, but an interesting read about modern day Nazi's in Germany.

From my point of view it's always disappointing seeing good people repeating this sort of nonsense pheony.. Hate speech laws ultimately are not put in place to protect good people. They are put in place to criminalize free speech. In Germany you can go to prison just for questioning certain historical events, under the pretense of so called hate speech. How is that in anyway a good thing? It's not the 'nazis' who control our utterly corrupt institutions.
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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 14 Apr 2014 09:11 #8

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Funny that usually nearly all people who identify themselvel as nazis have IQ's nearing a footsize. What went wrong? These mighty footsoldiers of the master race seem to be the dimmest lights around.

I will keep my mouth shut but thoughts are still free :rofl:

And now I look forward to TURK bashing truth-zone.net/forum/general-discussion/61895-fighting-racism-implementing-multiculturalism.html#98574
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on this hyper pc forum, just for the sake of pc equilibrium.

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But aren't national socialists always toting out loud about freedom of speech when their ideas are being criticized? And when somebody disagrees, the opposition will be shut down if possible, by any means necessary...

If one opposes ideas of nazism, then he or she must be either a jew, a commie or otherwise inferior, or maybe a zionist agent? That's the feel I get from this shit. Oh yea, being a nazi is totally about being german, remember, its not about politics, its about race. :roll:

Funny that usually nearly all people who identify themselvel as nazis have IQ's nearing a footsize. What went wrong? These mighty footsoldiers of the master race seem to be the dimmest lights around.

What I find strange is how people who hate hearing the truth always label those who speak the truth a 'nazi'. I'm not a nazi, neither do I hate all jews. I'm just somebody who's taken the time to study history outside of the Jewish narrative, which for the most part is built on outright lies and absurdities. Which by the way also includes 90% of the trash that's put out in the so called 'alternative media'. Isn't the whole idea of a truth movement supposed to be about... well seeking the truth... perhaps I missed something :think: Yet here we have so called 'truthers' and people that claim to be seeking the truth defending the official line. Like I said in my first post it's disappointing to say the least to witness so many good people being manipulated in this way.

Most people have got past the fact that most of our modern wars were founded mainly on lies, why should Germany be any different? Do you think these predators have only controlled the information for the last 20 years or so? Think again, they've been using the same tricks to start inter gentile wars for over 150 years now. The truth is Germany was destroyed in the 1940's because it was a threat to the international entity that controls our banks and institutions to this day. I think those who really lack any real intelligence are those who repeat historical absurdities, and especially those who by all accounts should know better. The biggest victims of world war II were the German people themselves, and the other poor souls from other nations who were tricked into fighting against their own brothers and sisters for the benefit of the predatory classes.

Why has the official line re world war II stood as 'truth' in the so called truth movement for so long? The best most people with an alternative slant can come up with is the usual fringe theories such as Adolf Hitler being a Rothschild agent, or the classic 'Hitler was a jew' :roll: :chuckle: Any reasonably intelligent person should already know these rumors are complete horseshit.

Hitler was a Jew? A Rothschild?? Really ???

The Fake Legends of Adolf Hitler’s “Jewish Grandfather”

How and why it got started, and why it’s not true.

The rumor that Adolf Hitler was the grandson of a Rothschild seems to have been hatched in the mind of a crypto-Jewish propagandist working in the United States’ first unified intelligence agency, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Not long after, a former high Nazi official, waiting for his execution, “confessed” to discovering a “Jewish grandfather” in Hitler’s background. These fabrications have been thoroughly debunked, and the true story of Hitler’s family background is told below.

justice4germans.com/2012/10/13/hitler-was-a-jew-a-rothschild-really/
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Exposing the ‘Nazi’ myth: The Rise of Pure BS and Hatred

About five months ago I posted a blog piece entitled ‘Exposing the “Nazi” Epithet – Who started it, why, how, and who benefits‘ and I made the point that the National Socialists never called themselves “Nazis”, and that it was created by the enemies of the NSDAP. Who were those enemies? It should come as no surprise when I say that it was primarily self-described “International Jewry”. Nor should that statement be regarded as “hate speech”. It is a fact. It was they who stood to lose ‘big time’ in Germany if Hitler and the NSDAP were to come to power, and if political, economic, social and cultural control (ie autonomy) was restored to the Germans. It was they who were living well in Weimar Germany at the expense of the largely unemployed, and hungry Germans. It was they who for an entire decade or more initiated a smear campaigns against Hitler, and it was they who in 1933 openly declared war on Germany, just as Hitler came to power. It was they who initiated a worldwide economic boycott of German goods and services just as Hitler became Chancellor, and before he was even in full control or had had a chance to actually do anything towards implementing his well published plan for the restoration of Germany. It was no “dark, secret agenda”. Of course, those who stood to lose would call that “evil” and would do anything in their power to maintain that power, would they not? Does anyone honestly believe that they would just say “OK boys, the game is over in Germany, lets go somewhere else, start over and leave those Germans alone now” and then honourably and peacefully bow out and just walk away like good sports? Really?? Well what if they were already well entrenched in most other western (allied) nations with a large power base, lots of resources and politicians in their pocket? And what if Hitler’s plan for German recovery then suddenly became appealing elsewhere? It would really be “game over” wouldn’t it? Do you think they would fold without a fight?

And so it came to pass that, in that beginning in that same year of 1933, many of those “International Jews” fled Germany to their safe havens in France, England and America (especially New York City and Hollywood), and began a worldwide media campaign of “hate” and fear mongering, full of bogus atrocity stories, as I have also previously documented. And I dare say, that campaign of “hatred”, blatant lies and omissions, anti-Hitlerism, and anti-Germanism continues unabated to this day! My saying so is not “hate speech”. It is a demonstrable fact, albeit an uncomfortable fact for some, but a fact nonetheless. justice4germans.com/
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Chipping away at the disinformation peddled and parroted in the 'truth movement', brick by brick.

Demystification of the Birth and Funding of the NSDAP

V.K. Clarke

What exactly did the NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker's Party) represent and who were its founding members? Why and how did Adolf Hitler transform the party from an unimpressive proletariat workers’ party to a full-fledged political machine that obtained absolute power in Germany? Perhaps more important, how was it funded? We answer these questions in this introduction. But first, we begin with an examination of the early stages of the NSDAP and its recruiting process. One must understand how this process unfolded if one is to understand the NSDAP’s position on Judaism and Freemasonry as well as the prevailing social and political order of the day. Naturally, we also reveal some of the other important aspects of its early development, which necessitates a fair amount of myth busting about Hitler, including who actually gave him money. Read full article here... inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_3/demystification_of_the_birth_of_the_nsdap.php
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A Memorial for the Millions of German Women and Girls Who Were Raped and Pillaged by the WWII Allied “liberators”

Dr. Austin J. App (professor and specialist in English literature at the Catholic University Skrentonskom Lasallskom University and College, which, among others, risked his career and livelihood, brought out the truth. When, in April 1946, he published his work, which is based on the article, “The Rape of Women conquered Europe “(Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe), he was a lone voice calling for justice in America.

Dr. Austin J. App’s “Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe”

Article by Kevin Alfred Strom

One of this century’s greatest crimes, and probably one of the greatest crimes against women in history, was the mass rape of the conquered women of Europe after the Judeo-Communist victory there in 1945. The rapists were mainly Red Army soldiers, some of them non-White troops from the Far East and Central Asian Republics of the Soviet Union. But I am sorry to say that many of the rapists were men of our own race, and some were Americans. They were brutes no doubt, but they were permitted and encouraged to indulge their lower than bestial urges by official “Allied” policies which incited hatred particularly against the Germans, but also against those of other European nationalities which were then allied with Germany in an anti-Communist bloc. One cannot contemplate this great mass orgy of rape, gang rape, and sexual slavery of innocent women and little girls without revulsion. It would be easy for you to toss this newsletter aside and pickup more pleasant or amusing reading. But if you want to know the truth about one of the darkest secrets of our present establishment, a horrible crime against women about which the Politically Correct feminists are strangely silent, then I urge you to read on.

I claim no originality for the documentation or recounting of this ghastly crime perpetrated mainly by what Franklin Roosevelt called “our noble Soviet ally.” We are indebted to Dr. Austin J. App, a professor and scholar of English literature at Catholic University, the University of Scranton, and LaSalle College, among others, who risked career and livelihood to bring these truths to light. In April, 1946, when he published the work upon which this article is based, entitled Ravishing the Women of Conquered Europe, he was a lone voice crying out for justice in an America still high on war propaganda and on a “victory” that in the later Cold War years and after would be seen clearly as a defeat for America and the West as much as it was for Germany.

As the Red Army advanced toward her in 1945, the city of Berlin had become a city virtually without men. Out of a civilian population of 2,700,000, 2,000,000 were women. It is small wonder that the fear of sexual attack raced through the city like a plague. Doctors were besieged by patients seeking information on the quickest way to commit suicide, and poison was in great demand.

In Berlin stood a charity institution, the Haus Dehlem, an orphanage, maternity hospital, and foundling home. Soviet soldiers entered the home, and repeatedly raped pregnant women and women who had just given birth. This was not an isolated incident. No one will ever know how many women were raped, but doctors’ estimates run as high as 100,000 for the city of Berlin alone, their ages ranging from 10 to 70.

On March 24, 1945, our “noble Soviet allies” entered Danzig. A 50-year-old Danzig teacher reported that her niece, 15, was raped seven times, and her other niece, 22, was raped fifteen times. A Soviet officer told a group of women to seek safety in the Cathedral. Once they were securely locked inside, the beasts of Bolshevism entered, and ringing the bells and playing the organ, “celebrated” a foul orgy through the night, raping all the women, some more than thirty times. A Catholic pastor in Danzig declared, “They violated even eight-year-old girls and shot boys who tried to shield their mothers.” Read more on what the so called liberators did to millions of German women and girls here... justice4germans.com/2012/11/13/a-memorial-for-the-millions-of-german-women-and-girls-who-were-raped-and-pillaged-by-the-wwii-allied-liberators/
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Dispelling the myth of exclusive Jewish victim-hood during world war II, and how hundreds of thousands of Germans, Japanese, italian, Spanish among others were detained against their will. Unlike Jews these people have seen little recognition and no compensation. Why?

The interactive map below shows the location of many important detention/internment facilities operated by the US Government during World War II which held persons of German ancestry from the US and Latin America. Clicking on a map location will link you to more detailed information about a given facility or facilities at that location. Below the map is a summary description of the facilities. Many sites across the U.S. not reflected on the interactive map were also used. Click on the following links for comprehensive maps of Department of Justice and INS/State Dept. sites and U.S. Army sites. www.gaic.info/internment_camp.html
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"From my point of view it's always disappointing seeing good people repeating this sort of nonsense pheony.!"

The above looks a little like manipulation. There are two sides to every coin and people will draw their own conclusions based on the facts that are presented to them. You don't agree with my OP and are presenting your side of the argument, so all is good as far as I'm concerned.
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"From my point of view it's always disappointing seeing good people repeating this sort of nonsense pheony.!

The above looks a little like manipulation. There are two sides to every coin and people will draw their own conclusions based on the facts that are presented to them. You don't agree with my OP and are presenting your side of the argument, so all is good as far as I'm concerned.

Why? Just because I said it's disappointing to see good people repeating the official line. It wasn't intended to be manipulative in anyway whatsoever. I'm just telling it how it is. make of it what you will. I could just as easily claim your OP is intended to manipulate opinions, couldn't I?
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Pheony is completely right in saying "There are two sides to every coin", the problem is, that those who own the media, own the minds and what we get forced down our throats since 2-3 generations is only 1 side and the coin is a counterfeit at that.


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Germany's new breed of neo-Nazis pose a threat 14 Apr 2014 14:30 #17

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Pheony is completely right in saying "There are two sides to every coin", the problem is, that those who own the media, own the minds and what we get forced down our throats since 2-3 generations is only 1 side and the coin is a counterfeit at that.


Our fight against Germany must be carried to the limit of what is possible. Israel has been attacked. Let us, therefore, defend Israel! Against the awakened Germany, we put an awakened Israel. And the world will defend us.

- Jewish author Pierre Creange in his book Epitres aux Juifs, 1938
Quite correct. The problem is, only one side of the coin is ever shown in the mass media. It's a heads I win tails you lose con game for these shysters who own the media...
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"From my point of view it's always disappointing seeing good people repeating this sort of nonsense pheony.!"

The above looks a little like manipulation. There are two sides to every coin and people will draw their own conclusions based on the facts that are presented to them. You don't agree with my OP and are presenting your side of the argument, so all is good as far as I'm concerned.

Yes it's always good to see things from both sides. It's a great shame I think that discussing the atrocities inflicted upon the German people is always smeared with shouts of 'nazi' or whatever. It's literally a crime in some countries to not recognize or question exclusive Jewish victim-hood. Instead of History being openly discussed (as it should be), it has become weaponized. On a positive note the name calling and labels are beginning to lose their impact through reckless overuse of those who for their own reasons don't want people questioning these events. I've been called a 'nazi' on countless occasions just for expressing an opinion, or exposing Allied war crimes inflicted against the Germans. I think people have been conditioned into believing that they must firstly and foremost be sympathetic of the Jewish war victims, rather than all of the victims, which of course also includes some Jews.

An unknown disaster

If you ask most people to name the greatest sea disaster in history you’ll usually get the same answer, the Titanic. Rarely will the Gustloff or any other German ship that was sunk evacuating the Bay of Danzig in early 1945 get a mention. Why? We see how certain disasters are given worldwide recognition and Academy-Awards when made into a blockbuster movies by Hollywood. But unlike other events during the war, or supposed events, the Gustloff did not have any victims on board, no, just Germans.

The Wilhelm Gustloff was an exotic cruise liner, built during the golden age of luxury liners. During World war II she was put into service as a hospital ship. On her last voyage it was torpedoed while evacuating German refugees fleeing the East Prussian front.

The torpedoing of the Passeger liner the Wilhelm Gustloff by Russian submarine S-13 resulted in over 9,000 deaths. Which is the largest loss of life occurring during a single ship sinking in recorded maritime history, with more fatalities than the Titanic and the Lusitania combined. Tragically, estimates also indicate that up to half of those who perished were children. Examination of history and the facts surrounding the Gustloff and the heroic efforts and magnificant achievements of the German navy to evacuate German civilians and troops from East Prussia would provide drama rivaling any award-winning Hollywood movie ever made! Operation Hannibal was initiated on the 21 Jan 1945, and ended up being one of the largest emergency evacuations by sea in history. In a period of around 4 months, upto one thousand merchant vessels and naval craft, including Germany's largest remaining naval units, transported up to an estimated 2 million refugees and 350,000 soldiers across the Baltic Sea to escape the advancing red army form the East. However not all rescues were successful.



On January 30, 1945, the Gustloff was sunk 13 miles off the coast of Pomerania carrying a crew of 1,100 officers and men, hundreds of wounded soldiers, 373 young women of the Women's Naval Auxiliary and upto 7,000 desperate refugees, most of them women and children who had reached the safety of the ship after grueling personal ordeals. She was hit by 3 torpedoes by soviet sub S-13 under the command of Captain A.I. Marinesko, and sank 90 minutes later in the icy cold seas of the Baltic. Only around 1,000 souls survived. A few days later, on February 10, S-13 struck again and sank the German hospital ship the General von Steuben carrying 3,500 wounded soldiers and another 1,000 refugees.

cruiselinehistory.com/the-ms-wilhelm-gustloff-was-the-worst-maritime-disaster-in-the-history-of-the-world-with-more-fatalities-then-the-titanic-and-the-lusitania-combined/

www.wilhelmgustloff.com/sinking.htm
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What I find strange is how people who hate hearing the truth always label those who speak the truth a 'nazi'. I'm not a nazi, neither do I hate all jews. [/quote]

What probably makes people think you're a Nazi is saying things like -
I'm just somebody who's taken the time to study history outside of the Jewish narrative, which for the most part is built on outright lies and absurdities.

What the fuck is the 'Jewish narrative' supposed to be????
This can only mean 'Jews rule the world' conspiracy bullshit - which is essentially recycled and updated Nazi propaganda based on their hatred of Jewish people.
In itself it makes no sense - are all the thousands upon thousands of historians Jewish? Mind controlled by Jewish mind rays.

And what, pray tell, history have you 'studied' beyond surfing the web. Looking at the likes of e.g., Veronica Clarke who is, er, well known to be a Nazi writing on a site run by Nazis familiar on the Holocaust denier circuit.
Mate, idly surfing bullshit on the internet is not 'studying history'.

There is a vast fucking wealth of historical information out there on all the fucked up stuff Britain and America and whoever have done (though bear in mind by your 'logic' this must also be part of the 'Jewish narrative'), but none of this makes the Nazis any better.
And I'm not claiming to be any kind of historical expert nor that I even know a great deal, but it's always very telling just how much grim stuff about what countries like the US and UK have got up to people like you never seem to know about. Because you;'re too busy going on about how evil Jews are and about hard done to the Nazis were. While definitely not being a Nazi.
Nobody on this forum will argue with you that 'we' are or were ever the 'good guys'. For fuck's sake, the forum is chock full of the exact opposite.
Yet if people start being critical of the Nazis, up you pop moaning about it.
But you're in no way a Nazi and simply dispassionately interested in minimising any criticism of Nazis.

Like for fuck's sake -

This guy swears blind he's in no way a Nazi but6
and it was they who in 1933 openly declared war on Germany, just as Hitler came to power. It was they who initiated a worldwide economic boycott of German goods and services just as Hitler became Chancellor,

Right. By that 'logic' urging people to boycott Israeli goods is a 'declaration of war' on Israel that justifies expellling all Arabs from the Knesset and removing every single one of their civil rights right down to the right to own a pet.
Nazis had been verbally and physically attacking Jewish people for years, but it was all the fault of the Jews if segments of the Jewish population (not all Jews backed it and many none Jews did) decided to react with a boycott German goods campaign, which is apparently an actual war because it said so in a tabloid newspaper headline.

Mate, I don't care if you're a Nazi or not, but you're nevertheless spouting the same old Nazi bullshit that's been rattling around conspiracy forums for years.
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"From my point of view it's always disappointing seeing good people repeating this sort of nonsense pheony.!"

The above looks a little like manipulation. There are two sides to every coin and people will draw their own conclusions based on the facts that are presented to them. You don't agree with my OP and are presenting your side of the argument, so all is good as far as I'm concerned.

Yes it's always good to see things from both sides. It's a great shame I think that discussing the atrocities inflicted upon the German people is always smeared with shouts of 'nazi' or whatever. It's literally a crime in some countries to not recognize or question exclusive Jewish victim-hood. Instead of History being openly discussed (as it should be), it has become weaponized. On a positive note the name calling and labels are beginning to lose their impact through reckless overuse of those who for their own reasons don't want people questioning these events. I've been called a 'nazi' on countless occasions just for expressing an opinion, or exposing Allied war crimes inflicted against the Germans. I think people have been conditioned into believing that they must firstly and foremost be sympathetic of the Jewish war victims, rather than all of the victims, which of course also includes some Jews.

An unknown disaster

If you ask most people to name the greatest sea disaster in history you’ll usually get the same answer, the Titanic. Rarely will the Gustloff or any other German ship that was sunk evacuating the Bay of Danzig in early 1945 get a mention. Why? We see how certain disasters are given worldwide recognition and Academy-Awards when made into a blockbuster movies by Hollywood. But unlike other events during the war, or supposed events, the Gustloff did not have any victims on board, no, just Germans.

The Wilhelm Gustloff was an exotic cruise liner, built during the golden age of luxury liners. During World war II she was put into service as a hospital ship. On her last voyage it was torpedoed while evacuating German refugees fleeing the East Prussian front.

The torpedoing of the Passeger liner the Wilhelm Gustloff by Russian submarine S-13 resulted in over 9,000 deaths. Which is the largest loss of life occurring during a single ship sinking in recorded maritime history, with more fatalities than the Titanic and the Lusitania combined. Tragically, estimates also indicate that up to half of those who perished were children. Examination of history and the facts surrounding the Gustloff and the heroic efforts and magnificant achievements of the German navy to evacuate German civilians and troops from East Prussia would provide drama rivaling any award-winning Hollywood movie ever made! Operation Hannibal was initiated on the 21 Jan 1945, and ended up being one of the largest emergency evacuations by sea in history. In a period of around 4 months, upto one thousand merchant vessels and naval craft, including Germany's largest remaining naval units, transported up to an estimated 2 million refugees and 350,000 soldiers across the Baltic Sea to escape the advancing red army form the East. However not all rescues were successful.



On January 30, 1945, the Gustloff was sunk 13 miles off the coast of Pomerania carrying a crew of 1,100 officers and men, hundreds of wounded soldiers, 373 young women of the Women's Naval Auxiliary and upto 7,000 desperate refugees, most of them women and children who had reached the safety of the ship after grueling personal ordeals. She was hit by 3 torpedoes by soviet sub S-13 under the command of Captain A.I. Marinesko, and sank 90 minutes later in the icy cold seas of the Baltic. Only around 1,000 souls survived. A few days later, on February 10, S-13 struck again and sank the German hospital ship the General von Steuben carrying 3,500 wounded soldiers and another 1,000 refugees.

cruiselinehistory.com/the-ms-wilhelm-gustloff-was-the-worst-maritime-disaster-in-the-history-of-the-world-with-more-fatalities-then-the-titanic-and-the-lusitania-combined/

www.wilhelmgustloff.com/sinking.htm

That is interesting.

But what relevance does it have to the topic?
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