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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 09:48 #1

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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry

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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry
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KUALA LUMPUR (REUTERS) - Spurred by tensions with China, South-east Asian nations are building up their own defence industries, channelling fast-growing military budgets to develop local expertise and lower their dependence on big US and European arms suppliers.

While countries such as Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia won't do away with big-ticket imports from giants like Airbus Group NV or Lockheed Martin Corp, they are increasingly encouraging domestic defence firms to manufacture hardware locally. With regional defence spending seen rising to US$40 billion (S$50 billion) in 2016, 10 per cent higher than last year, some countries are already developing their own exports.

A domestic defence industry is a long-term economic as well as security goal of varying degree for the 10 Asean countries, spending more on modernising ageing equipment partly to retain the region's military balance. The goal has been given urgency by China's moves in recent months to press disputed claims in oil- and gas-rich waters of the South China Sea, security analysts say.

Asean members have stopped short of explicitly citing Beijing as a reason for beefing up military capability. At a meeting in Myanmar last weekend, Asean foreign ministers again appealed for "self-restraint" in the face of heightened tensions, with no mention of China in a formal communique.

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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 10:07 #2

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Reuters wrote that? What are the "tensions" between South East Asia and China?

There are ongoing land disputes between Japan and China over islands in the South China Sea.

I wouldn't be surprised if any form of military build up is because of the Yankee goons beating their chests in the area and doing things like permanently stationing 2500 US troops in northern Australia - which of course the Australian public weren't consulted about.
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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 10:12 #3

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Russia, Japan Start Peace Treaty Talks in Tokyo

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en.ria.ru/russia/20140131/187075985/Russia-Japan-Start-Peace-Treaty-Talks-in-Tokyo.html



Similar is needed for Germany, but with all powers.
Japan has peace treaty with US.
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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 10:38 #4

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I think Reuters is spinning porkie pies. China is investing heavily in its military. Why shouldn't it, it's the world's no 1 or 2 economy and has 1.2 billion people ... tho its spending is nothing compared to the US. Japan is worried as it's age old enemy is strong and Japan is not able to re-arm still (like Germany) and is a US occupied nation.
Chinese military buildup diluting U.S. clout in Asia

QINGDAO, CHINA – China’s navy commissioned 17 new warships last year, the most of any nation. In a little more than a decade, it is expected to have three aircraft carriers, giving it more clout than ever in a region of contested seas and festering territorial disputes.

Those numbers testify to huge increases in defense spending that have endowed China with a military budget second only to that of the United States and fueled an increasingly large and sophisticated defense industry.

While Beijing still lags far behind the U.S. in both funding and technology, its spending boom is attracting new scrutiny at a time of severe cuts in Pentagon budgets that have some people questioning Washington’s commitments to its Asian allies, several of which have lingering disputes with China.

Beijing’s newfound military clout is one of many issues confronting President Barack Obama as he visited the region this week. The U.S. is faced with the daunting task of fulfilling its treaty obligations to allies such as Japan and the Philippines while maintaining cordial relations with China, a key economic partner and rising regional power.

China’s defense spending grew 12.2 percent to $132 billion this year, continuing more than two decades of nearly unbroken double-digit percentage increases that have brought Beijing the means to potentially alter the regional balance of power. Outside observers put China’s actual defense spending significantly higher, although estimates vary widely.

Increases in spending signal “strength and resolve to China’s neighbors,” requiring other countries to pay close attention to where Beijing is assigning its resources, said China defense expert Abraham Denmark, vice president for political and security affairs at the U.S.-based National Bureau of Asian Research.

At the same time, the American military is seeking to redirect resources to the Asia-Pacific region as it draws down its defense commitment in Afghanistan, although officers warn that budget cuts could potentially threaten plans to base 60 percent of U.S. naval assets to the region. Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert recently warned that U.S. capabilities to project power “would not stay ahead” of those of potential adversaries, given the fiscal restraints.

Meanwhile, China’s navy is rapidly developing into a force that could contend with the U.S., long the dominant military player in the region.

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier, a refurbished Ukrainian hull, in 2012, and two indigenous carriers are expected to enter service by 2025, significantly increasing Beijing’s ability to project power into the South China Sea, which it claims virtually in its entirety. Analysts say China will have as many as 78 submarines by 2020, part of an expansion that has seen it leap past the U.S. and Russia in numbers of warships delivered annually, according to experts and available figures.

“That’s very much in line with the leadership’s call for China to become a major military-industrial power,” said Tai Ming Cheung, director of the Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation at the University of California, San Diego.

By comparison, the U.S. Navy takes on about 10 major vessels per year, and Russia averages slightly less.

Despite the impressive hardware, uncertainty still surrounds the capabilities of China’s armed forces, which haven’t seen significant combat since the end of the Korean War in 1953. Home-grown technologies have yet to be tested in battle, and training and organization are hampered by a risk-adverse attitude and overemphasis on political indoctrination that reflects the essential role of the People’s Liberation Army as the defender of the ruling Communist Party.

“Being the world leader is all about software and networking,” said Denny Roy, an expert on the Chinese military at the East-West Center in Hawaii, referring to problems with China’s command structure and communications.

Concerns about Chinese aggression focus on three scenarios: an attack on Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory; an attempt to seize the Senkaku Islands controlled by Japan but claimed by China in the East China Sea; and a move to drive off claimants to waters and islands claimed by China in the South China Sea.

All those situations pose considerable risks for Beijing, ranging from a lack of transport and resupply capabilities to the near certainty of a formidable U.S. military response in defense of its allies. Japan and the Philippines are U.S. treaty partners, and American law requires Washington to respond to any threats against Taiwan.

Although tensions with Japan have grown sharper over the island dispute, Beijing takes great pains to play down the impact its military may have on the region. Yet its explanations about its military buildup mix prickly nationalism with a proclaimed desire for closer cooperation.

Addressing navy chiefs from two dozen nations gathered at a forum in the eastern Chinese port city of Qingdao on Wednesday, one of China’s most powerful generals said China is committed to maintaining peace and stability, but will never compromise its national interests.

“No country should expect China to swallow the bitter pill of compromising our sovereignty rights, national security and development interests,” said Fan Changlong, vice chairman of the Communist Party’s Central Military Commission.

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/25/asia-pacific/chinese-military-buildup-diluting-u-s-clout-in-asia/#.U-swClAZ7qA

The only South East Asian regional tensions I'm aware of concern island groups because of the territorial sea that surrounds it for subsea oil and gas purposes.
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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 11:01 #5

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Orangeaid wrote:
Reuters wrote that? What are the "tensions" between South East Asia and China?

There are ongoing land disputes between Japan and China over islands in the South China Sea.

I wouldn't be surprised if any form of military build up is because of the Yankee goons beating their chests in the area and doing things like permanently stationing 2500 US troops in northern Australia - which of course the Australian public weren't consulted about.

There have been clashes between Japan and China around the Islands and it's a constant tussle that keeps ebbing and flowing.

Japan has been building up it's military capabilities for sometime and as Oracle just mentioned Japan and America are allies and the Americans have a permanent 47000 strong military force in Japan.


Australia backs Japan’s military buildup at risk of upsetting China
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Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop threw Australia’s support behind Japan’s attempts to shift its military to a more “normal” defence posture in a speech in Tokyo yesterday.

Australia’s backing for Japan’s proposed move away from a purely defensive military runs the risk of sparking resentment in China, which retains deep suspicion of the hawkish Abe government’s motives for such changes.

Beijing has already complained about the US, Australia and Japan “ganging up” on it over territorial disputes and is likely to take a dim view of Tony Abbott nominating Japan as Australia’s “closest friend” in Asia.

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WORLD VIEW: U.S. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE CHIEF CONFIRMS WORST FEARS OF CHINA'S MILITARY BUILDUP

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China has long trained for an amphibious invasion of Taiwan during military exercises, but has now expanded its training to include a similar attack on the Senkaku Islands and other Japanese holdings in the East China Sea. All branches of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) participated in a massive exercise last year for taking these islands.
According to James Fanell, Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence and Information Operations, U.S. Pacific Fleet:

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Yes I'm aware of all the secret CIA bases that the American cabal have established in Australia. So secret that you have absolutely no idea what goes on in them and your government can't do anything about them. That's the Anglo American establishment for you London smoothed the whole thing out for the Americans apparently.

The forgotten coup - and how the godfather rules from Canberra to Kiev

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Washington's role in the fascist putsch against an elected government in Ukraine will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore the historical record. Since 1945, dozens of governments, many of them democracies, have met a similar fate, usually with bloodshed.

Nicaragua is one of the poorest countries on earth with fewer people than Wales, yet under the reformist Sandinistas in the 1980s it was regarded in Washington as a "strategic threat". The logic was simple; if the weakest slipped the leash, setting an example, who else would try their luck?

The great game of dominance offers no immunity for even the most loyal US "ally". This is demonstrated by perhaps the least known of Washington's coups - in Australia. The story of this forgotten coup is a salutary lesson for those governments that believe a "Ukraine" or a "Chile" could never happen to them.

Australia's deference to the United States makes Britain, by comparison, seem a renegade. During the American invasion of Vietnam - which Australia had pleaded to join - an official in Canberra voiced a rare complaint to Washington that the British knew more about US objectives in that war than its antipodean comrade-in-arms. The response was swift: "We have to keep the Brits informed to keep them happy. You are with us come what may."

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As China flexes maritime muscle, South-east Asia builds home-grown defence industry 13 Aug 2014 11:10 #6

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The Russians know that the puppet elites in Japan and Germany are sick of the American occupation, and the Russians know that to help themselves, they need to free those populations the Americans hold hostage with military bases.

The question is China, afaik, China also didn't sign a peace treaty with Japan. Correct please if wrong.

France is China's represent in Europe technically.
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They've signed various Treaties to normalize relations over the years. China really only started to reenter the world late in Mao's reign and after his death.

The treaties were only signed in the 1970s .. Although one is branded Treaty of Peace and Friendship does it amount to a formal Peace Treaty Oracle? The language seems very flowery.
Tokyo, Japan, Oct 23, 1978. [Photo/People's Daily]

Treaty of peace and friendship between the government of the People's Republic of China and the government of Japan

Since the establishment of diplomatic relations betweenChina and Japan, the Chinese Government has, in accordance with the provisions of the Joint Statement, made its efforts for the conclusion of the agreements on trade,aviation, fishery, etc. with the Japanese Government in a bid to further develop Sino-Japanese good-neighborly and friendly relations.

The two sides signed in 1974 three agreements on trade, aviation and navigation, and the year after, the agreement on fishery. All these agreements reflect the two sides' spirit of adhering to the Joint statement of the two Governments, their position against "two Chinas" or "one China, one Taiwan" and their desire for further developments of the amicable and cooperative relations in all fields.

From 1975, China and Japan started negotiation for the conclusion of a treaty of peace and friendship, and in August 1978, the Foreign Ministers of the two countries signed in Beijing the Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the People's Republic of China and Japan.

The Treaty stipulates:

The Contracting Parties shall develop durable relations of peace and friendship between the two countries on the basis of the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-Existence;

The Contracting Parties affirm that in their mutual relations, all disputs shall be settled by peaceful means without resorting to the use or threat of force;

The Contracting Parties shall endeavor to further develop their economic and cultural cooperation and to promote exchanges between the people of the two countries.

The two parties declare in the Treaty that neither of them should seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region or in any other regions and that each was opposed to efforts by any other country or group of countries to establish such hegemony.

The Treaty also stipulates in explicit terms that "the present Treaty shall not affect the position of either Contracting Party regarding its relations with their countries".

In October of the same year, Vice-Premier Deng Xiaoping visited Japan upon invitation, and the two sides exchanges instruments of ratification of the China-Japan Treaty of Peace and Friendship.

Vice-Premier Deng attended the ceremony of exchanging the instruments of ratification and said to premier Minister Takeo Fukuda: The conclusion of the Treaty is a political reaffirmation of the friendly relations between the two countries. In the present turbulent situation, China needs friendship with Japan and vice versa.

He also pointed out: The China-Japan Treaty of Peace and Friendship is a continuation and development of the Joint Statement of 1972 between the Chinese and JapaneseGovernments and of the normalization of Sino-Japanese diplomatic relations. It has further consolidated the foundation of the good-neighborly and friendly relations between the two countries and opened up broader vistas for further increase of exchanges in the political, economic, cultural, scientific and technological fields. It will also exercise a positive impact on the maintenance of peace and security in the Asia-Pacific region.

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China’s gunboat diplomacy 2012

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China’s recent actions in asserting its claims to ownership and other forms of jurisdiction over about 80 percent of the South China Sea speak louder than its oft-repeated soothing words that it is not seeking hegemony. Actions in the past month include:

• Offering oil and gas exploration and production rights to Chinese and foreign partner companies in nine blocks covering just over 160,000 square kilometers of waters off Vietnam’s central coast, despite protests from Hanoi that the area belongs to Vietnam and is already under lease.

Dispatching an unusually large fishing fleet of 30 boats, escorted by a 3,000-ton patrol vessel, to part of the disputed Spratly Islands, also claimed by the Philippines.

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Pacific Islands Dispute: Japan, China, Taiwan Trade Tensions 2012

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BEIJING — Japanese and Taiwanese ships shot water cannon at each other Tuesday in the latest confrontation over tiny islands in the East China Sea, as Japan met with another rival, China, in an effort to tamp down tensions.

About 40 Taiwanese fishing boats and 12 patrol boats entered waters near the islands on Tuesday morning, briefly triggering an exchange of water cannon fire with Japanese coast guard ships. Coast guard officials said the Taiwanese vessels had ignored warnings to get out of their territory, and the Taiwanese ships pulled back after being fired upon.

It was Taiwan's first foray into the waters around the uninhabited islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, since the Japanese government purchased some of them from private owners two weeks ago. China, Japan and Taiwan all claim the islands, but they are administered by Tokyo.

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Gunboat Diplomacy in South China Sea Can Lead to a Red Line 2014

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The United States may be heading for another Red Line moment–this time with China. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel making his fourth trip to the South China Sea region recently, wanted to reassure Japan and other nations that the U.S. stands with them if China pursues stated territorial annexation. The “Sleeping Dragon” has arisen, hungry for the small mostly uninhabited islands in the East and South China Sea claimed by Japan, Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and Taiwan. Mr. Hagel’s visit comes on the heels of Russia’s takeover of Crimea which had been part of Ukraine.

The fear is that China has been emboldened by Russia’s move, leading to similar action over the long disputed islands. China claims their rights to the islands go back 2,000 years, which could possibly include the international waterways between them. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton previously noted that unimpeded navigation access was important to U.S. national interests. More than half of the world’s merchant goods flow through these waters.

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I'd read it as not worth the paper.

It like a promise to be kind and all that, but a peace treaty regulates a lot of things, from eventual citizenship status, full sovereignty, ie right to have independent military & economic policies, to territorial claims of occupied/annexed territory to normalize relationships.

All powers on the peace negotiation table have to make concessions, and vassal status need to end.
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Thanks for the explanation Oracle. The Treaty signed in the 1970s seems really flowery. Like "lets get together create a feeling circle and have a big group hug".

The God in Chinese Asia is money .... not Satan. Further they haven't shown any desire to invade or attack other nations for geo-political purposes ... or to start WWIII to enable their messiah to come to earth.

However they are very hungry for resources and the South China Sea is pretty rich with hydrocarbons.

I believe that is what is motivating China on the otherwise unloved lumps of rock sticking out of the ocean.

China would want to feed a development pipeline for its State owned oil and gas companies CNOOC and Petro China.

Though gregarious land grabs (if they occur) will inflame other nations.
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Money is only the incentive when a country is poor once it has accumulated enough wealth power, resources and territory tend to get a higher priority. China have an ongoing score to settle with Japan after the treatment the Chinese suffered at their hands and the Chinese haven't forgotten that.

War Victims, Martyrs Mourned on Tomb-sweeping Day

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On the traditional Tomb-sweeping Day, which falls on Saturday this year, people across China gathered to mourn war victims and heroic martyrs.

By 8 a.m. a long queue had formed outside the Memorial Hall for Compatriots killed in the Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Forces of Aggression, which commemorates the 300,000 lives killed by the Japanese invaders 77 years ago.

Among them were massacre survivors, relatives of the deceased, local school children, college students and foreigners.

Nanjing massacre survivor Lu Hongcai, 82, looked for his family members' names on the wailing wall, a monument engraved with 10,418 names of victims.

His six relatives, including his mother and sister, were killed by Japanese soldiers. "The wailing wall was the only place we could mourn our relatives since most of them did not have tombs or even dead bodies," he said, "may they rest in peace."

On Dec. 13, 1937, the invading Japanese army occupied Nanjing and launched a six-week massacre. Chinese records show more than 300,000people, disarmed soldiers as well as civilians, were murdered.

"We hope people, especially the young generation, will keep in mind history and prevent such atrocities from happening again," said Zhu Chengshan, curator of the memorial hall.

Other Chinese cities also launched memorial activities on Tomb-sweeping Day.

In a village of Yiwu City in east China's Zhejiang Province, a ceremony commemorating victims of Japan's germ warfare 72 years ago was held on Saturday.

It was attended by hundreds of survivors and descendants of victims in Chongshan Village, where the Japanese army used biological bombs, killing 405 people.

Tomb-sweeping Day, or Qingming festival, is the most important period for Chinese to remember the deceased.

Authorities estimated that a total of 7.78 million Chinese swept tombs on Saturday, the Ministry of Civil Affairs said in a statement.

Chinese railway authorities also forecast that up to 9 million trips will be made on trains on Saturday. The number will be a record high compared with 8.31 million trips last year. Railway authorities said they have scheduled 328 extra trains.


Chines Peoples Resistance Against Japanese Agression

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Chinese leaders and others gather at a ceremony in Beijing marking the 77th anniversary of beginning of the War of Resistance against Japanese Aggression on July 7, 2014. CRI brings you a live broadcast of the event at 10 a.m. on Monday.

And they haven't forgotten the British opium wars either. :twitch:

The Chinese can hardly be called a passive and peaceful nation they have a history of bloody violence on various scales. Ask a Tibetan how placid the Chinese are?

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Sure ... but they don't have to seek revenge through violence. China is obtaining revenge on the anglo-jevvish cabal (Guilos) by economic means for the Opium Wars turning southern China into one huge smack dependent zone through.

The Pearl River Delta is now the world's largest manufacturing zone and one of the world's largest ports. Guanzhou and Shenzhen at the top and Hong Kong at the south. A far cry from what the anglo-jevvish cabal did to it.

And Shanghai isn't even part of that area.
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Well all I can do is go by what I have read and been told by the people I know that live and work there, some of whom work with children and the children know that history backwards. People comment on that specifically, because it's not something you witness in the west (well maybe the British Celts do to an extent). The Chinese simply don't forget what happened to their ancestors and it's not very long ago in their history. There are still people alive that experienced the last Japanese wars.

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Sure. I agree with you. Whites are still sometimes called Guilos (ghost man) in HK which is the pejorative derived from the Opium Wars.

The biggest grudge would be against the Japanese. They were brutal in WWII ... the Manson Family on steroids.

www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

That's why the Chinese I don't think could get care less for pissing off the Japanese.

Though it is a hugely controversial event when ever the Japanese PM ever goes to visit the Imperial Yakasuni Shrine in Tokyo.
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