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TOPIC: Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence?

Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 00:31 #161

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The double glazing analogy with the pensioners says it all really. England, through its incredible reliance on financial services from London, bankrupted the nation virtually and pensioners and other welfare recipients would have just reason to be worried about the future.

After screwing the economy with the bailouts and austerity measures the ruling class then put fear in the Scots that an independent Scotland would not be able to support them economically.

It's really quite startling that people can be so thick with such short memories ... and buy that fear from people who have impoverished them and couldn't care less about them anyway.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 00:49 #162

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Well I reckon a ton of Glaswegian votes got dumped somewhere and the rigging has been far worse than 5-10% .
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 05:41 #163

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The evidence of a rigged election for Scotland is rolling in! Pics and Video inside

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2643963/pg1

^I don't use this forum but i seen this link posted somewhere else.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 08:02 #164

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The evidence of a rigged election for Scotland is rolling in! Pics and Video inside

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2643963/pg1

^I don't use this forum but i seen this link posted somewhere else.









I think the yes ballot piles on no tables is the smoking gun, not so much the counting. That is potentially forensic evidence of malfeasance, I cannot think of any plausible legit explantion for this. Does anyone have a photo of a yes table to see if there are no votes on it?
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 08:30 #165

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"That is the pile of NO votes"

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 08:44 #166

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I'm just pointing out the fact that the person in charge of counting votes has close ties to Westminster and appointed all 32 Counting Officers with no transparency and no independent oversight. It's a true statement, it can't be argued against. Whether you believe vote rigging happened is another matter, but I believe so. Any political process that has no transparency and no oversight is almost always abused by those in power. Essentially you Scots let Westminster count the votes for you, do you really trust that they did the right thing?

From GLP, not a recommended site usually, but comment can easily be checked, and if (as I think ) true then WTF????
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 09:24 #167

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 10:18 #168

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That was the ballot paper, our names were checked off against electoral roll @ polling station. My issue is with Glasgow having 10% less turnout than rest of Scotland. i do think the No vote won, by a smaller margin, and that some safety rigging went on around the 5-6% mark with phantom postal votes. The medis was incredibly biased, including the "impartial" BBC, I could see that from outside plus have an insider contact who confirms. In the end they only had to do a double glazing saleman job on the senile pensioners

Roll on UKIP.,...
I've snipped this chart off of Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014
Glasgow and Dundee as yes voting districts appear to have low turn outs.



But then the trend does not follow with North Lanarkshire nor West Dumbartonshire, surely this deflates the vote turnout theory somewhat ?

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 15:59 #169

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I've done a bit of research and this referendum has literally destroyed peoples lives.... Some folk have vowed never to talk to family and friends for the way they voted :(...TPTB have used their classic divide and conquer tactic to good effect...AGAIN!.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 20 Sep 2014 16:17 #170

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can a re-count be demanded? possibly but will not be given. This monster fraud is obvious.

www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties?share_id=HByoGm...ource=share_petition
We the undersigned demand a revote of the Scottish Referendum, counted by impartial international parties.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 21 Sep 2014 09:50 #171

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can a re-count be demanded? possibly but will not be given. This monster fraud is obvious.

www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties?share_id=HByoGm...ource=share_petition
We the undersigned demand a revote of the Scottish Referendum, counted by impartial international parties.

2 days and already 3/5 of the way there
To:
Alex Salmond, Office of the First Minister, St. Andrew's House
We the undersigned demand a revote of the Scottish Referendum, counted by impartial international parties.

There are no impartial international parties!

A bomb-proof re-vote is need, where every voter signs their vote on a register, not by secret ballot.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 21 Sep 2014 21:09 #172

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Maureen Mackay told Scotland on Sunday: "The problem is that our voting system means that all you have to do is turn up and say where you live. There is no check to verify who you are so any votes registered with children could be used by adults."

One in four Scots believes M15 is working with the UK Government to prevent independence, one poll revealed.

The poll found nearly as many thought the referendum vote would be rigged.

One in four Scots believe UK spies are working against independence

A reader of Scotland on Sunday comments:

"I know of an Edinburgh Tory councillor who on the night of the 1979 Devolution referendum was boasting that he had voted No six times."
Margo MacDonald was a former deputy leader of the Scottish National Party.

She said, before she died, that there are MI5 agents operating inside the Scottish National Party.
Allegedly, MI5 and its friends were involved in the assassinations of the following Scottish politicians:

1. Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary who told the UK parliament that al Qaeda worked for the CIA.

2. John Smith, the leader of the Labour Party whose death led to Tony Blair becoming prime Minister.

3. Willie McRae, former Vice Chairman of the Scottish National Party.

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 21 Sep 2014 22:53 #173

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Against this insidious murderous corruption - did the "YES' vote ever really stand a chance - no has to wonder about the guy in the vid that predicted the 10% loss - was that a 'lucky' guess or did he know ?
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 23 Sep 2014 00:03 #174

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Salmond warns Scotland could leave the UK WITHOUT a referendum after desperate bid to accuse Westminster of ‘tricking’ voters and saying ‘the writing is on the wall’ for the Union

Salmond accuses Cameron, Clegg and Miliband of 'reneging' on election vow

The three party leaders made a pledge to transfer fresh powers to Holyrood

But the SNP leader said Westminster was riven by party political differences

PM wants 'English votes for English laws' alongside new Scottish powers

But Labour has rejected the proposal over claims would 'divide' Parliament



Defeated SNP leader Alex Salmond this morning accused Westminster of ‘tricking’ Scottish voters into rejecting separation - and suggested the country could declare independence without a referendum.
He said the No campaign’s last minute promise of more powers for Holyrood had swayed voters – and accused David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband of reneging on their word.
But the outgoing First Minister, who dramatically announced he was stepping down from the job on Friday, claimed holding a referendum was 'only one of a number of routes' to independence.
He said despite last week’s referendum defeat the ‘writing is on the wall’ for the Union. Mr Salmond said: ‘I think the destination is pretty certain, we are only now debating the timescale and the method.’


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764114/Salmond-lashes-totally-shameless-Westminster-leaders-tricking-Scottish-voters-rejecting-independence.html
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 23 Sep 2014 00:12 #175

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novum wrote:
Salmond warns Scotland could leave the UK WITHOUT a referendum after desperate bid to accuse Westminster of ‘tricking’ voters and saying ‘the writing is on the wall’ for the Union

Salmond accuses Cameron, Clegg and Miliband of 'reneging' on election vow

The three party leaders made a pledge to transfer fresh powers to Holyrood

But the SNP leader said Westminster was riven by party political differences

PM wants 'English votes for English laws' alongside new Scottish powers

But Labour has rejected the proposal over claims would 'divide' Parliament



Defeated SNP leader Alex Salmond this morning accused Westminster of ‘tricking’ Scottish voters into rejecting separation - and suggested the country could declare independence without a referendum.
He said the No campaign’s last minute promise of more powers for Holyrood had swayed voters – and accused David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband of reneging on their word.
But the outgoing First Minister, who dramatically announced he was stepping down from the job on Friday, claimed holding a referendum was 'only one of a number of routes' to independence.
He said despite last week’s referendum defeat the ‘writing is on the wall’ for the Union. Mr Salmond said: ‘I think the destination is pretty certain, we are only now debating the timescale and the method.’


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764114/Salmond-lashes-totally-shameless-Westminster-leaders-tricking-Scottish-voters-rejecting-independence.html

Well... that's curious... I posted this up at another forum, at the exact same time, with the same part excepted to explain the article!

Novum... are you doing deja vu on me?
Oh no... is it 3:36 again?
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 23 Sep 2014 00:33 #176

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No i didnt see it on any forum where you posted it, i found the article elsewhere... ive posted a few OPs just now here on TZ.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 23 Sep 2014 01:11 #177

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novum wrote:
No i didnt see it on any forum where you posted it, i found the article elsewhere... ive posted a few OPs just now here on TZ.

yes thanks nov- pulling double duty - great OP's .
I personally don;t see how the Scots can get anything that will benefit them unless they got the YES vote and could start making some real demands.
The Control is not in their hands and I fear it never will be.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 24 Sep 2014 22:06 #178

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From Jerusalem Post:
The votes have been counted and those who dreaded the possible break-up of the United Kingdom have breathed a collective sigh of relief. The sense of relief has been especially noticeable in the Jewish community. In general older voters have supported the union and the Jewish community is certainly an ageing one. However, many of Scotland’s Jews have sensed that there is greater safety and understanding of Israel in the wider British society and this has also been a factor. There was an additional fear, for which there is little real evidence, that a narrow nationalism could lead to the kind of insular chauvinism which is on the increase in certain European countries.

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 25 Sep 2014 04:45 #179

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Labour in Scotland are dead



Alex Salmond resigned so he can says what he really thinks...?



Marxist Labour leader and tuppence licker admits ballots "sampled"

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 25 Sep 2014 12:09 #180

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I'm thinking that Scotland was not 'just' ripped off by a rigged ballot but totally set-up for it. it looks like they have lost more than the 'vote'.
Salmon - " people of MY wealth"......well one wonders' if he isn't pulling a Bush / Gore "walks away" tactic......paid off with lucrative Carbon Tax partner in crime.
Perhaps i'm being way to cynical here but it doesn't 'feel ' right to me , was Salmon the 'fishy' one? cus resigning has really kicked over the tank -
and water will be a big issue , along with all of Scotlands' other resources.
All pumped , dressed up and nowhere to go ?


HUMANITY vs INSANITY : #24 - Scotland - Defrauded?
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