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TOPIC: Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence?

Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 00:31 #221

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In Wales they have the Welsh language in the school curriculum, it's a step towards an independent state, imo Scots could start by introducing the Gaelic language, it's part of an independent identity :thumbup:

The Gaelic is taught in schools, but of a selective variety- they would rather teach Spanish, German or French- EU policy perhaps? but if you are qualified to teach Italian and Spanish, and not German you cannot get a job as my friends husband discovered despite his competence.

There are Gaelic speaking state funded schools, where only the Gaelic is spoken with 15 in a class it's a parents dream, but Gaelic is not widely spoken in the lowlands, never was, it's a north west coast dialect. I wonder how many schools teach exclusively in the Doric?



I dont know if this is the answer, it might provide clues about past histories which are important, but we are in the here and now and Gaelic in schools is for a minority middle class these days who may not appreciate the 'hidden' details of etymological significance :roll:

I know it's not widely spoken, that's the point, neither was Welsh in Wales up to about 15yrs ago, now all youngsters can speak it, so English is their International language and Welsh is their local language, hence they have more of a linguistic independence than Scotland, it's not all about political borders you know :yup:

It's not meant to be 'the answer' it's start though, and everyone can join in so not political.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 00:39 #222

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In Wales they have the Welsh language in the school curriculum, it's a step towards an independent state, imo Scots could start by introducing the Gaelic language, it's part of an independent identity :thumbup:

The Gaelic is taught in schools, but of a selective variety- they would rather teach Spanish, German or French- EU policy perhaps? but if you are qualified to teach Italian and Spanish, and not German you cannot get a job as my friends husband discovered despite his competence.

There are Gaelic speaking state funded schools, where only the Gaelic is spoken with 15 in a class it's a parents dream, but Gaelic is not widely spoken in the lowlands, never was, it's a north west coast dialect. I wonder how many schools teach exclusively in the Doric?



I dont know if this is the answer, it might provide clues about past histories which are important, but we are in the here and now and Gaelic in schools is for a minority middle class these days who may not appreciate the 'hidden' details of etymological significance :roll:

I know it's not widely spoken, that's the point, neither was Welsh in Wales up to about 15yrs ago, now all youngsters can speak it, so English is their International language and Welsh is their local language, hence they have more of a linguistic independence than Scotland, it's not all about political borders you know :yup:

It's not meant to be 'the answer. it's start though, and everyone can join in so not political.

The boundaries have gone beyond language, it's about ideas common to our survival, perhaps a dramatic statement it is that I make?
The Welsh, the Scots the English and the Irish person wants free of the shackles of the taxation, the PC shite policies of the so called government that is westminster, JMHO
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 00:42 #223

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Asva wrote:
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Asva wrote:
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In Wales they have the Welsh language in the school curriculum, it's a step towards an independent state, imo Scots could start by introducing the Gaelic language, it's part of an independent identity :thumbup:

The Gaelic is taught in schools, but of a selective variety- they would rather teach Spanish, German or French- EU policy perhaps? but if you are qualified to teach Italian and Spanish, and not German you cannot get a job as my friends husband discovered despite his competence.

There are Gaelic speaking state funded schools, where only the Gaelic is spoken with 15 in a class it's a parents dream, but Gaelic is not widely spoken in the lowlands, never was, it's a north west coast dialect. I wonder how many schools teach exclusively in the Doric?



I dont know if this is the answer, it might provide clues about past histories which are important, but we are in the here and now and Gaelic in schools is for a minority middle class these days who may not appreciate the 'hidden' details of etymological significance :roll:

I know it's not widely spoken, that's the point, neither was Welsh in Wales up to about 15yrs ago, now all youngsters can speak it, so English is their International language and Welsh is their local language, hence they have more of a linguistic independence than Scotland, it's not all about political borders you know :yup:

It's not meant to be 'the answer. it's start though, and everyone can join in so not political.

The boundaries have gone beyond language, it's about ideas common to our survival, perhaps a dramatic statement it is that I make?
The Welsh, the Scots the English and the Irish person wants free of the shackles of the taxation, the PC shite policies of the so called government that is westminster, JMHO

There are things that can be changed and things that can't, why concentrate on the system, it's beyond Scotland, let's concentrate on what is within it's grasp, until you see that, you're talking shit lol
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 00:48 #224

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No, that's a compromise too far, we have the chance to take on the system, except it's not happening in a meaningful way. Addressing the language one speaks is not the answer if my truth behold :ponda: we are in the here and now, lets not confuse the matter with something else to get our heads around :)
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 00:58 #225

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No, that's a compromise too far, we have the chance to take on the system, except it's not happening in a meaningful way. Addressing the language one speaks is not the answer if my truth behold :ponda: we are in the here and now, lets not confuse the matter with something else to get our heads around :)

Scotland will never be taking the system on. <<<<that little mark at the end is a full stop.

So we can make cultural changes towards an independent 'folk system' or we forever whinge about the system, take your choice.

What is achievable and not achievable are the places where energy is to be dispensed, think that over.

We act as people and do what we can to be independent folk and have a folkish state mind set, or we continue to argue about independence, in the very unlikely event of that occurring, there is still nothing to say that Scots will then desire to attack the international system, as it's engagement is required.

There's too much to debate over taxation, many people like it, nobody likes paying tax but they see the need, that's not a Scottish issue though, it's an international issue, that's where yo have lost focus imo
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 01:19 #226

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No, that's a compromise too far, we have the chance to take on the system, except it's not happening in a meaningful way. Addressing the language one speaks is not the answer if my truth behold :ponda: we are in the here and now, lets not confuse the matter with something else to get our heads around :)

Scotland will never be taking the system on. <<<<that little mark at the end is a full stop.

So we can make cultural changes towards an independent 'folk system' or we forever whinge about the system, take your choice.

What is achievable and not achievable are the places where energy is to be dispensed, think that over.

We act as people and do what we can to be independent folk and have a folkish state mind set, or we continue to argue about independence, in the very unlikely event of that occurring, there is still nothing to say that Scots will then desire to attack the international system, as it's engagement is required.

There's too much to debate over taxation, many people like it, nobody likes paying tax but they see the need, that's not a Scottish issue though, it's an international issue, that's where yo have lost focus imo

If its an international issue then i appear to be well focussed imho- there is a common thread. Im happy to pay my taxes if it goes in the right direction
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 14 Jan 2015 01:24 #227

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I can't discuss this with you any further, it's not an international issue (thread title) Scotland is not or won't be taking on the International system.The Scottish politics 'would' remain within the system, just a different monkey flying a smaller plane.

Transmission ended lol :D
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I can't discuss this with you any further, it's not an international issue, Scotland is not or won't be taking on the International system.

Transmission ended lol :D

Ok, if you like, but I will continue to talk to the wall as ever.

I disagree and i adhere to the thoughts put forward by many that we need to tackle things on a global scale.
Our friends on the other side of the world have their say and it may concur with what's happening to them but in a another manner- lets view it as a test case?

We are all pissed off with the present system, that's why we are here after all
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Nothing personnel meant Asva, I've said everything that I have to say on the matter, I don't want to talk about International system politics and lose focus about Scotland, on the thread.
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I'm giving this a bump due to the up and coming elections in the UK.
As much as the SNP provide their alternative to the present situation I have to disagree with some of their policies. Interestingly, most of the strong SNP voters I know are English, they look amazed when as the Scot I say that, but it's interesting to consider along the way. Anyway, the main problem I wish to address and through my findings out, even the staunchest of SNP supporters agree with me.

I bring up GIRFEC again- Getting It Right For Every Child, children and families policy they promulgate. While it is possibly correct for vulnerable children to be appointed a social guardian via a head teacher or social worker, why do the rest of the population have to be seen as those needing scaffolded?

It smacks of state control; yet to be ratified, we can only keep bringing it up as something abhorrent. If I want to refuse state vaccination and my child's so called guardian does not agree, they can over rule me without my consent, they can talk to my child without me being there and possibly vaccinate without my consent if this went full term, perhaps it would affect my grandchild.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 19 Apr 2015 09:19 #231

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I prefer Nicola Sturgeon to old fishface.

I think if she was the leader of the Labour party in England/UK or what ever it is now, that they would beat the conservatives easy peasey.

She appears far more logical and real than the rest of them.

Don't get me wrong I'm not voting, nor do a waggle my willy when she comes on tv, just saying that's all.
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I bring up GIRFEC again- Getting It Right For Every Child, children and families policy they promulgate. While it is possibly correct for vulnerable children to be appointed a social guardian via a head teacher or social worker, why do the rest of the population have to be seen as those needing scaffolded?

It smacks of state control; yet to be ratified, we can only keep bringing it up as something abhorrent. If I want to refuse state vaccination and my child's so called guardian does not agree, they can over rule me without my consent, they can talk to my child without me being there and possibly vaccinate without my consent if this went full term, perhaps it would affect my grandchild.

Because the state wants to have the influence, they see the parents as grown up children, so their children need parenting by the state.
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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 15 Dec 2015 10:21 #233

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Thought to share this article.
Not the latest news, but truth (you can only find it by yourself) does not care about time:





Lobby: An independent Scotland is bad for Israel



On September 18, 2014, every Scottish person over the age of 18 year and living in Scotland, United Kingdom, European Union or a Commonwealth member country is eligible to vote for the independence of his/her motherland.

Scotland is home to more than 40,000 Muslims, most of them second, third and fourth generation citizens. A great majority of them along with other Scottish Asians see an independent Scotland more tolerant toward Muslim community and less controlled by the powerful UK Jewish Lobby.

The most celebrated Muslim Scot has been Queen Victoria’s controversial teacher and confident Abdul Karim.

UK’s ‘Islamophobe’ prime minister David Cameron has warned the ‘Scots for Israel’ that an independent Scotland would be more pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel than United Kingdom.

As usual, the “gate keepers” of the West’s political affairs, are advising the Scots to vote “Yes” or “No” on independence referendum based on what’s good for Israel if they want to remain accepted by the so-called “civilized world”.

Last week, David Folkerts-Landau (Jewish) Chief Economist of German Deutsche Bank warned Scots that they will face a “Great Depression” within an independent Scotland.

Israel First Australian-born British media billionaire Rupert Murdoch, who is accused for bribing Tony Blair to join George Bush’s 2003 war on Iraq for Israel tweeted his support for a “No” vote to Scottish independence.

On March 21, 2014, Adam Ramsay wrote an article, entitled, Scotland isn’t different, it’s Britain that’s bizarre in which he proved that an independent Scotland will be more prosperous, socialistic, family-oriented and human rights supportive than it’s now under English imperialism.

On September 8, 2014, Jerusalem-based The Times of Israel, a news website run by a British Zionist Jews published an Op-Ed by Brian Fink in which the writer claimed that since the Israel’s recent ‘Operation Protective Edge’, the Scottish Jewish community of 6000-7000 don’t feel safe in Scotland anymore as result of anti-Israel protesters have held rallies in front of several synagogues, rise in Boycott Israel (BDS) movement popularity, criticism of Israeli actions against Hamas at several universities, and some town halls displayed Palestinian flag.

Naturally, Fink has to pick some Muslim to blame for the centuries-old Jewish hatred even though England is the only country which had expelled its entire Jewish population for 350 years, from 1290 by King Edward I and were allowed to return in 1656 by Lord Oliver Cromwell, a Crypto Jew. Fink didn’t have to go far. He just missed a few Christian politicians who support Scotland’s independence like Craig Murray, Alistair Darling, Tommy Sheridan, Alex Salmond and others – and found a Muslim scapegoat, Yvonne Ridley, the British reporter who was captured by Taliban inside Afghanistan. Over a year after she was released by Taliban unconditionally, she converted to Islam.

British journalist Yvonne Ridley along with MP George Galloway and journalist Lauren Booth support Hamas against the Zionist regime which is an old-fashioned hatred toward Jews according to the organized Jewry.

Fink the ‘Zionist skunk’ believes that since George Galloway said last month that Bradford is Israel Free Zone, but wants Scots to say “No” to Scotland separation – Yvonne Ridley tweeted : “Zionist-free Scotland”, which shows her Muslim hatred toward Jews as Fink believes that the entire world Jewry of 12.7 million is Zionist.

Scotland and Wales have been occupied by the English crown since 1707. Scotland is the second largest country in the United Kingdom—smaller than England but larger in area and population than Wales and Northern Ireland combined. If revenues from oil and gas in Scotland’s waters are included, its gross domestic product (GDP) per capita would be significantly higher than that of the rest of the UK. If Scotland votes “yes” to a split, the U.K.’s population will drop by around 8 percent. There are just over five million Scots, according to the latest estimates. Two percent of Scotland’s population lives on its 93 inhabited islands



Source: rehmat1.com/2014/09/16/lobby-an-independent-scotland-is-bad-for-israel/
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LIVE: Scottish Parliament votes on second independence referendum



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Scottish Parliament will vote in Edinburgh on Tuesday, March 28, on a petition proposed by the Scottish government to back their request for a Section 30 order from Westminster, which would pave the way for a second independence referendum.
The vote was postponed from March 29, following the deadly attack in Westminster.

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Scottish Independence or Scotland In Dependence? 29 Mar 2017 14:18 #235

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No way will Westmonster allow another Scottish Independence referendum until long after Brexit is completed.
2012 at the earliest so, by that time; Sturgeon will be history and events will have moved on.
Scotland cannot survive as an independent nation they depend on UK subsidies.
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