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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 01 Apr 2016 05:39 #1

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From FirstClassSkeptic. No need to add anything from me...
I've been looking at the Pearl Harbor bombing. The Lexington and the Enterprise were not in the harbor. Where were they? Supposedly, they were delivering airplanes for the Army to Wake and Guam. Each aircraft carrier had 25 airplanes. Is that a coincidence?

Admiral Halsey was in the Enterprise. He ordered three battleships into port, and went off with the two carriers, some cruisers and some destroyers. Before they left, they did a demonstration to the Army to show them that they could take off and land their planes on the aircraft carriers. Wonder why the Army wanted to know?

Found out that the Japanese Mitshubishi Zero fighter is a copy of the Fokke Wulf 160 and an Italian Fiat plane. The Japanese dive bomber looks a lot like the German Stuka. The Japanese planes were all copied from someone else. So, finding a plane that looked Japanese? Not hard to do, it would seem.

It looks to me like the US Army Airforce bombed Pearl Harbor with the fifty planes they had on the two carriers, painted with Japanese markings. The carriers went out far enough away so as not to be seen. There may also have been demolitions in the battle ships. Of course, they have an ammo magazine, which can be blown up.

And now, if there were no Japanese airplanes, then there was no Japanese fleet. Which would explain why no one saw any.

Also, it appears that the US had broken some code of the Japanese, and were listening for the code to be sent to break off diplomatic relations with the USA, Britain and the USSR. On Dec 5, they heard the code to break relations with Britain, but never heard a code to break with the USA.


I was reading over that again, and Ad. Halsey is saying how the operation had to be kept real secret, and they had radio silence. Yeah. Times-Herald, Washington DC Sept 28, 1944, THE TRUTH OF PEARL HARBOR - Reprinted in PROCEEDINGS OF CLARKE INVESTIGATION p. 141
Not my original idea. Was watching a video on youtube about it. But he said, it was a hoax. I say, it wasn't a hoax; it really happened, but it was a false flag. The airplanes were made to look Japanese.

They were supposed to be taking planes to Wake and Midway. I said, Guam, or something.

I've always heard, everything was destroyed except the two aircraft carriers. But the aircraft carriers were being 'escorted' ( the navy term) by many ships. So it wasn't just two aircraft carriers.

www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/pearl-harbor-US-false-flag.html

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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 01 Apr 2016 06:47 #2

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Wow

Part of me wants to say it's impossible, it's to far fetched, to much of a cover up. The other part of me says, it's not to far fetched at all, Look at what happened to the USS Liberty. The US and Israel conspired to sink that ship and it's crew. The American people still don't know about that attack on the USS Liberty.

Great topic OP!
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 01 Apr 2016 13:02 #3

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That number 7 again....

Official conspiracy around Pearl Harbor... Film by "Berg"...



I smell FirstClassSkeptic is onto something here....

I also found this in the archives...
There was an interview I heard twice, with an old man that was there at Pearl Harbor. He gives some interesting facts. He says he knew it was a 'set up' when it happened.

1)Pearl Harbor was on high alert since March of 1941. FDR ordered the alert to be stopped just a week or two before the attack.
2) All anti aircraft ammo was put away, and locked, as per FDR orders.
3) All ships were ordered into port.
4) The only reason the two aircraft carriers weren't in port was because the commander of the two ships smelled a rat, and deliberately disobeyed orders.
5) The Pacific Fleet was cruising westward from California, and were ordered back to California, perhaps because their course would have caused them to bump into the Japanese fleet heading toward Hawaii.
6) There was back pay for the sailors, a pay raise, that was delayed for several months, and then given to the sailors on Friday, or maybe Sat, I forget which, but anyway, the result was that the sailors partied, got drunk, and were sleeping it off on Sunday morning.
7) This man said that he and another sailor went to inspect a wrecked Zero after the attack. When he examined the cockpit, he found a map. The map showed all the ships where they were, and showed the two aircraft carriers where they should have been, but weren't. The man said that as he studied the map, and what it meant, he knew that the whole thing was set up.

www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/FDR-knew-about-pearl-harbor.html#p743

I will now re-interpret points 4,5 and 7

4) The aircraft carriers were off on a clandestine mission....
5) The fleet were ordered to turn back so as not to find no Japanese fleet in the area
7) Mohammed Atta's Passport

Just conjecture at this stage....
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 01 Apr 2016 17:45 #4

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Tank farms, containing 140 million gallons (530 million liters) of bunker oil, were unscathed providing a ready source of fuel for American submarines at the submarine base. Critical to the initial phase of the War and to commerce raiding throughout, these facilities would later illustrate the folly in Japanese planning. The Navy Yard, critical to ship maintenance, and repair of ships damaged in the attack was left undamaged. The engineering and initial repair shops, as well as the torpedo store, were intact. Other items of base infrastructure and operation such as the power station continued to operate. Also critical, the cryptanalysis unit, HYPO, located in the basement of the old Administration Building, was undamaged and actually benefited by gaining staff from unemployed ship's bands.[17]

The Army Air Force's loss of aircraft must be balanced against the fact that many of them were obsolete, such as the P-40's ancestor, the P-36. Japan might have achieved a good deal more with not much additional effort or loss.[18]

Nagumo's hesitation, and failure to find and destroy the American carriers, may have been a product of his lack of faith in the attack plan, and of the fact he was a gunnery officer, not an aviator. In addition, Yamamoto's targeting priorities, placing battleships first in importance, reflected an out-of-date Mahanian doctrine, and an inability to extrapolate from history, given the damage German submarines did to British trade in World War I. In the end, Japan achieved surprisingly little for all her daring and apparent success

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The lack of strategic value of the attack supports the notion that it was not a Japanese attack....
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 01 Apr 2016 22:44 #5

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It would have taken an awful lot of planning and people keeping quiet and being silenced to pull off such a thing back then. Not saying it couldn't happen, we know it's not beyond them to do such things. The motive was there too of course.

They would have to obtain hundreds of Imperial Japanese Navy Mitsubishi A6M Zero's and Nakajima torpedo bombers to pull it off though. It's highly unlikely they would have obtained that number of Japanese aircraft before the Attack on Pearl harbor. The Mitsubishi A6M Zero's and Nakajima torpedo bombers were definitely the main attack aircraft that bombed Pearl Harbor that day. Unless somebody is claiming the film to be fake? I don't think it's fake..
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 00:38 #6

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The public was very naive and gullible then and would have accepted whatever was told to them by government and media as true.

- The Titanic had already been sunk to mask the murder of the opponents to the Federal Reserve.
- The Cunard Lusitania (funded by JP Morgan money) had already been sunk to bring the US into WWI
- Americans had already lapped up that Germany was barbecuing and eating Belgian babies after Jew media turned on Germany when Rothschild started to fund England and France.

'The scale of the lie is certainly big enough' to be lapped up by a naive and gullible public.

The narrative falls right into what Goebbels said of 'Churchill's Lie Machine'.
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 01:35 #7

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Absolutely, that still doesn't mean everything was necessarily a lie though. I'm inclined to believe that Pearl harbor was attacked by the Japanese. It certainly wouldn't have been afraid to launch an attack like that either, because Japan at the time had one of the Worlds most powerful Navies. The Hosho for instance was the first super aircraft carrier in the world to be completed, Japan ended up with a fleet of aircraft carriers and fighter aircraft to go with them that were second to none.

You could build a case for either side of the argument here. The U.S had every reason to go to war with Japan because it was a rival rising World power, as was Germany at the time..

The U.S placed an embargo on Japan by prohibiting vital exports to Japan which would have crippled it's industry and grounded it's navy due to lack of aviation fuel. In 1941 The U.S, Britain and the Netherlands froze all Japanese assets, which prevented Japan from buying oil which would have in time made it's navy and air force ineffective and useless.

As a result Japan seized the opportunity to try and take the oil resources of Southeast Asia. Their greatest concern and obstacle was the U.S. Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor. Japan then launches a surprise attack to try and cripple the U.S Pacific Fleet. All very feasible in my opinion.

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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 18:07 #8

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Yes the OCT is very feasible - Japan provoked into attack, US ignores foreknowledge because Jews want their world war.

Carriers could have been sent out of area to save planes....

But why were the US army so interested in witnessing practising take off and landing from the carriers? The planes were apparently only being delivered.... Were the same 50 planes rotated during the attack? Was the "shot down" Zero actually planted on site?

Why did the Japanese make such a hash of it, ending up with pretty much Zero strategic gain, and a new and invincible enemy? Why DID they leave out the submarine fuel storage? Were they rubbish at strategy?

There were no Pearl Harbor kamikase planes and pilots were not sacrificed... Something no US pilot would do...
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 18:49 #9

The first air raid on London in WW2 by the Lufftwafe was carried out by the Americans on the behest of the Jews, using aircraft manufactured in area 51

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I dont smoke the shit your all smoking, but I may start just to see how this parallel universe works :twitch:
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 19:05 #10

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The first air raid on London in WW2 by the Lufftwafe was carried out by the Americans on the behest of the Jews, using aircraft manufactured in area 51

:cool2:

I dont smoke the shit your all smoking, but I may start just to see how this parallel universe works :twitch:

During WW2 who started the city bombing? Germans or British?
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There's definitely a number of question marks hanging over the bombing of Pearl Harbour. The kamikaze pilots mainly came later in the war though, when the Japanese planes fell behind the speed of the U.S planes..
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 02 Apr 2016 19:50 #12

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The first air raid on London in WW2 by the Lufftwafe was carried out by the Americans on the behest of the Jews, using aircraft manufactured in area 51

:cool2:

I dont smoke the shit your all smoking, but I may start just to see how this parallel universe works :twitch:

During WW2 who started the city bombing? Germans or British?

According to you the Jews, as they orchestrate all world events :wissl:
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Let's keep on topic from now.. deal?
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 04 Apr 2016 02:10 #15

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Torah, Torah, Torah - nothing would surprise me . In revisionism we see why they would have done it but the idea that it was another hoaxed FF isn't out of the realm of possibility .....back then they had a tight control of the media , no cell phone cameras or alternative thinkers around .
That we know they had prior knowledge of the attack and moved the best of the fleet out of harms way follows what we have come to see as an a FF modus operandus ....get all the good stuff out before you bring down the house .
I don't think it's so far fetched that it had to be contrived to get the war going .
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
rodin wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
The first air raid on London in WW2 by the Lufftwafe was carried out by the Americans on the behest of the Jews, using aircraft manufactured in area 51

:cool2:

I dont smoke the shit your all smoking, but I may start just to see how this parallel universe works :twitch:

During WW2 who started the city bombing? Germans or British?

According to you the Jews, as they orchestrate all world events :wissl:

whilst according to you they're innocent lambs behind 500 story plate glass.
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 04 Apr 2016 02:24 #17

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Absolutely, that still doesn't mean everything was necessarily a lie though. I'm inclined to believe that Pearl harbor was attacked by the Japanese. It certainly wouldn't have been afraid to launch an attack like that either, because Japan at the time had one of the Worlds most powerful Navies. The Hosho for instance was the first super aircraft carrier in the world to be completed, Japan ended up with a fleet of aircraft carriers and fighter aircraft to go with them that were second to none.

You could build a case for either side of the argument here. The U.S had every reason to go to war with Japan because it was a rival rising World power, as was Germany at the time..

The U.S placed an embargo on Japan by prohibiting vital exports to Japan which would have crippled it's industry and grounded it's navy due to lack of aviation fuel. In 1941 The U.S, Britain and the Netherlands froze all Japanese assets, which prevented Japan from buying oil which would have in time made it's navy and air force ineffective and useless.

As a result Japan seized the opportunity to try and take the oil resources of Southeast Asia. Their greatest concern and obstacle was the U.S. Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbor. Japan then launches a surprise attack to try and cripple the U.S Pacific Fleet. All very feasible in my opinion.


the vid isn't available to me ....... i agree - it's something of a long shot but not inconceivable .
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Did American Planes Bomb Pearl Harbor? 05 Apr 2016 10:05 #18

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Real footage from contemporary newsreel - note NO PLANES.



Jap 2 man submarines? No pictures of? How did they get into Pearl Harbor? translate : ships were sabotaged

3.40 a single lucky hit - jap bomb went down the funnel... translate : ship was sabotaged

Supposedly footage of Pearl Harbor from Japanese side : clearly faked as per Hiroshima and Nagasaki etc.... Some comments follow...


The Japanese created models of Pearl Harbor. Some of this is clearly miniature/models mixed with film of real planes. I think I am correct in this, but I remember reading that much of the actual foootage shot at Pearl Harbor by the Japanese went down on one of the Japanese carrriers sunk at Midway.
I was half expecting to see Godzilla stomp a few planes.

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lol as if. Did they do a false flag and paint US planes in Jap colours too. Next you will be saying that they even went so far as having the pilots have plastic surgery so as to pass as Japanese too! lol
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Torah, Torah, Torah - nothing would surprise me . In revisionism we see why they would have done it but the idea that it was another hoaxed FF isn't out of the realm of possibility .....back then they had a tight control of the media , no cell phone cameras or alternative thinkers around .
That we know they had prior knowledge of the attack and moved the best of the fleet out of harms way follows what we have come to see as an a FF modus operandus ....get all the good stuff out before you bring down the house .
I don't think it's so far fetched that it had to be contrived to get the war going .

In the context of the attack on Pearl harbour I think ''Torah'' was the Japanese code-word used to indicate a surprise attack. Tora in Japanese means tiger, and nothing to do with the word Torah as we know it. In the case of pearl harbour it's an an acronym for surprise attack like a tiger pouncing on it's prey. This is how I understand it anyhow. :)

Of course they used pearl harbour to bring America into the war, false flag or not.
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