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Poll: POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam?

Real of course 2 22.2%
Total scam 3 33.3%
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TOPIC: POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam?

POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 14:42 #1

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To many people it's unimaginable that elections and referendums etc. are a total scam.

I think although people are allowed to go to the ballot box and cast (away) their votes, the outcome has nothing to do with their voting.

In German it's called Stimme (voice) abgeben (give away), which makes it even clearer what this is all about: you voluntarily give them your voice!
So no surprise that you have no say after that.

To me voting is a distraction scam for the slaves, Punch-and-Judy show for adults.

It's as real as digits on the screens of stock brokers or numbers on paper "money".







The outcome is only an indicator for what the system wants us to believe -> total manipulation, total control.


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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 15:15 #2

I think you need another option in the poll, Pfiz. Mostly not would get my vote. .

I would say for the most part they're a scam and most are rigged, in the same way modern day democracy is. They have to have National referendums once in a while to keep up the charade that people are getting a free choice. However, they don't always go according to plan, which is the reason why they call for second referendums when the result goes against their desired outcome. so it's not the referendums themselves which are the scam, per se. It's the way they're played, and how people are manipulated and played into thinking they're getting a free choice. If referendums were binding and truly honoured public opinion (That is public opinion free of media manipulation and lies), then they would be fine. However we know that's not the case. The whole system is a loaded dice on that score.

As in the case with the Ireland Lisbon Treaty referendum, where Irish voters initially rejected an EU on the first vote only to apparently change their mind to vote in favour of it in a second referendum. This is where the scam rests. No should have meant no, but they'll keep holding referendums until they get their desired outcome, which is largely based on how they manipulate and swing public opinion through their fear based media.

Going on how the left have reacted to the U.k voting to leave the E.U, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we'll also have a second referendum in the U.K, and like Ireland the next one will somehow work out in favour of remaining. Just my opinion.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 15:56 #3

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Total scam, no doubt.

Example; 2005, Netherlands was "given" a referendum for/against the EU "constitution" where as expected 66% voted no. The EU was well aware of their impopularity and set it up such that they could pass the even worse Lisbon "Treaty" giving them even more powers.

All political forces are controlled in a -as Pfizi rightly called- "Punch-and-Judy scam".
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 18:00 #4

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Yeah, I think with Brexit they somehow made a mistake, by looking at the reactions in the media. And I think somehow they will try to turn things around.

2 weeks ago the outcome of the Dutch referendum regarding the Ukraine partnership deal got rejected.
(The whole referendum cost about 30 million btw...)

So it seems like referendums themselves really do work, but can be easily overturned.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 18:22 #5

Mostly not I meant to say btw. Like Flare said, they work on paper, but can easily be overturned or not honoured at all if the outcome isn't the desired one. This is what I think they will try and do due to the result of the Brexit vote. Call another referendum when a new PM is voted in, and keep calling one until the result goes their way. Funny how they never call another once they've got what they want ey. It's a one way ticket to nowheresville with these control freaks at the helm.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 19:10 #6

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
In German it's called Stimme (voice) abgeben (give away), which makes it even clearer what this is all about: you voluntarily give them your voice!
So it is, and if I may to complement this...voters put their 'voice' into an 'Urne' (urn) :hmm: :wissl:
So no surprise that you have no say after that.

Exactly! ;)
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 06 Jul 2016 19:22 #7

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This is what I think they will try and do due to the result of the Brexit vote. Call another referendum when a new PM is voted in, and keep calling one until the result goes their way.

I am not so sure in this..., because 'Brussels' accepted the Brexit right away without even considering a different option like another referendum. Merkel was also right at hand with a meeting of EU high ranks, which is a bit 'strange', because she is 'chancellor of the FRG' and not the head of the EU, and finally, the date, 23 plays a big role for 'some guys'... :roll:

It seems some people are in a hurry and the Brexit is the first domino stone to fall. Next could be the 'Deutsche Bank' for example, to increase the drama. :cool:
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 07 Jul 2016 00:41 #8

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Fair play to anyone who chooses not to vote.
I do vote.
We won Brexit which seemed pretty fair to me.
Thing is anybody who doesn't agree with voting simply doesn't vote.
That's how they register their objection.
By abstaining.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 08 Jul 2016 01:02 #9

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Thank you very much for your comments!


5 out of 578.


Seems this subject is of no relevance on this forum.



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because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 08 Jul 2016 02:35 #10

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Perhaps one issue is the poll choices, they seem to be based on the answers you want to see.

There are other possibilites outside of the poll options of course. Things arent always so black and white.

For example, political parties are made up of individuals.. individuals can be lets say convinced to do things a certain way, even after the fact (elections). So the election process in regards to voting for the person presenting as a candidate could be real, but what they do once in that position can be subject to forces the population never see (and of course this is what happens, if readers of this dont think that then they might be more comfortable on ibelieveeverythingtheTVtellsme.com . )

In the grander scheme of things, i personally do think that people as a collective get what they ask for, or dont ask for. ;) That said, ones individual position (no matter how insightful or right for them it might be) doesnt mean much if the majority dont think in the same way, when it comes to the process of elections. Your voice is just one and you better damn hope the majority think like you.. therefore i am of the opinion that people are better off concentrating on bettering themselves and their position rather than placing some kind of hope in a made for TV candidate.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 08 Jul 2016 12:28 #11

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+1 Nov.
Say somebody votes for a major-party candidate who has promised the earth and that candidate then wins.
S/he gets a seat and is then told by the party that s/he must vote with the party line on every issue.
The votes might not agree with that policy but 'their' candidate has to support it or be kicked out of the party.
IMO that's why Independents who are free of party-political ties make the best politicians because they can vote according to what their supporters want rather than doing what any political party tells them.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 11 Jul 2016 23:42 #12

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Please excuse my belated response, but I was truly and fundamentally shocked
by the small number of comments and especially their contents ... given that this is a forum called "Truth Zone"
and I still don't know what to say ..... contextually.


Totally out of my range of perception.

Words fail me.

Except that I will try hard to not overestimate anybody in future.



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only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
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where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 13 Jul 2016 19:34 #13

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Words fail me.

A first? :hahano:

PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Except that I will try hard to not overestimate anybody in future.
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We iz all a bit fick 'ere innit, lucky you iz smart, aight.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 15 Jul 2016 20:20 #14

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novum wrote:
PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Words fail me.

A first? :hahano:

PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Except that I will try hard to not overestimate anybody in future.
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We iz all a bit fick 'ere innit, lucky you iz smart, aight.



I am sorry, but pidgin English is not on the USraelian curriculums for schools in the occupied FRG.

Seems you are having a general problem with me or my typical German directness respectively?

truth-zone.net/forum/members-area/60510-dif-pit.html?start=820#222891 link still working at this time

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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 17 Aug 2016 15:32 #15

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Not that I care much about polls here any longer ...


truth-zone.net/forum/public-zone/67494-would-truth-zone-improve-without-the-daily-disruptive-troll-ragnarok.html?start=360#228001


same scam like with "RL elections",
but what happened to the poll on this thread?

Just asking ...



Edit: Thank you Novum, the poll is back.

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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 17 Aug 2016 16:31 #16

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"To me voting is a distraction scam for the slaves, Punch-and-Judy show for adults."
Says Pfizi and that's an opinion to be respected if not agreed with.
In a democracy nobody is obliged to vote.
IMO elections are fair here in Blighty.
Having been at several counts you can see the piles of voting slips mounting up,and get a fair idea of which candidate is doing best before the results are announced.
I can see the frustration where the only 'choice' is between similar politicians from similar traditional parties.
However that is no longer the case over in Europe or here in the UK.
There are new populist parties to vote for and those are doing well in the polls taking votes away from those 'traditional' old fashioned parties.
Vote AfD if you are German for a real change.
OR
Don't Vote and suck it in whatever government you get because you will have had no say at all on its choice.
Democracy ensures freedom of choice when it comes to voting or not voting.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 29 Aug 2016 22:06 #17

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There has and is massive officially acknowledged and even published by the mouthpieces Wahlbetrug
going on in Germany-Austria and It's as clear as daylight that this is only the tip of the iceberg.


Spare me your pretentious nonsense and don't try to tell me that the situation is different in any other European country
or the US of A, which is the hotbed of Wahlbetrug.


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only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 30 Aug 2016 09:24 #18

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GMP wrote:
There are new populist parties to vote for and those are doing well in the polls taking votes away from those 'traditional' old fashioned parties.
Vote AfD if you are German for a real change.

The 'new populist party' AfD was founded by people who have been a loooong time in 'traditional old fashioned parties'.
If I would be in charge and mass-immigration would be on my agenda, then I would make sure, that someone I can trust founds a 'new party' right in time, so the sheeple have a new 'bone of hope' to chew on. The AfD show is so easy to rumble...

GMP wrote:
Don't Vote and suck it in whatever government you get because you will have had no say at all on its choice.
Democracy ensures freedom of choice when it comes to voting or not voting.

Democracy is the best form of dictatorship. You, with money and media in your hands, sit relaxed in the back, while the sheeple 'fight' and argue over 'parties'. Very easy. 'Party' says it all: to part = divide. A divided people is easy to control and manipulate.

But people like to vote someone who 'rules' over them. Self-responsibility is oh so uncomfortable. Most people never grow up, they prefer to be pampered by parties all their live, like young children by their parents.
What people would need is leadership. Strong individuals who really care and who take full responsibility for their actions, but this is not in sight. First, people have to learn the very hard way, where it leads to, if they give up self-responsilbility to 'politicans'. We all will pay a high price in the near future, but that is necessary to learn.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 30 Aug 2016 10:03 #19

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I thought everybody knew that elections were real when your puppet wins, and rigged when the other side wins?

ps. Ftr, I've NEVER voted for somebody strong who will take care of my needs. I'll leave that to other needy saps.
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POLL: Elections - Referendums - etc. - Real or Scam? 30 Aug 2016 10:33 #20

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ragnarok wrote:
I thought everybody knew that elections were real when your puppet wins, and rigged when the other side wins?

"your puppet"? Is that meant personally to me? If so, then which 'puppet'? Where did I wrote that I will ever vote or favour a 'politican' (puppet)?

ragnarok wrote:
ps. Ftr, I've NEVER voted for somebody strong who will take care of my needs. I'll leave that to other needy saps.

The average people who just want to have a peaceful life, but are not willing to think for themselfs and are not willing to take self-responsibility would need a 'strong' leader who really cares for them, so they can work and live properly and be productive for their countries sake.

A self-thinking and self-caretaking human being does not need a leader. He or she takes resposibility for his/her thoughts and actions.
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