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TOPIC: Was Jesus a Lefty?

Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 10:59 #1

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Conservatives claim Christ as one of their own. But he was the unemployed son of two asylum-seekers with all the personal traits of a modern revolutionary.
www.newstatesman.com/religion/2010/12/jesus-god-tax-christ-health
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:06 #2

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17 “Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Translation - ''pay your taxes and be good boys''.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:10 #3

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On one occasion, despite telling his companions that he is not liable to pay the “temple tax” that is demanded of every Jewish man in Palestine - because the Father does not require it from his own son - Jesus publicly pays the tax (Matthew 17:24-27). As the Scottish theologian and New Testament scholar William Barclay wrote: “Jesus is saying, ‘We must pay so as not to set a bad example to others. We must not only do our duty, we must go beyond duty.’”

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:15 #4

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15 And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold doves; 16 and he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. 17 He was teaching and saying, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.”

Translation ''The free market is bad''
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:18 #5

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Matthew 20:1-16 narrates the “parable of the workers in the vineyard”, which tells of five sets of labourers who arrived for work very early in the morning, at 9am, at noon, at 3pm and at 5pm. They are all paid at 6pm and each labourer receives the same amount - one denarius, as agreed to with their employer. Unsurprisingly, those who arrived earlier and did more work complained that they had received the same pay as those who had come later: “These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.” But, for Jesus, the casual labourers who came to work for the landowner in his vineyard had basic needs that had to be satisfied, and those who had come late had been struggling to find work in a laissez-faire market: “No one has hired us,” the last labourers tell the landowner. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” in the words of Karl Marx.

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:21 #6

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Jesus was a healer. The Gospels contain countless stories in which he helps the blind to see, the deaf to hear and the lame to walk. There is little evidence that he charged for his services, demanded to see an insurance card before offering treatment, or profited from his miraculous ability to bring the dead back to life.

He called on his disciples to do the same, instructing them to go into towns and “cure the sick who are there” (Luke 10:9). Again, there is no discussion of payment or fees or charges. Indeed, throughout his life, in word and deed, Jesus was a champion of universal health care, free at the point of use. He would have been an ardent and passionate defender of the NHS from free-market “reforms”.


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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 11:57 #7

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I don’t think conservatives are evil, but logic suggests people who are admirers of Jesus Christ would align themselves with those who reflect his values. And it’s pretty hard to argue Jesus was anything but a peace-loving, free-thinking, tree-hugging liberal.

After all, this is the guy who said, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you.”
www.seacoastonline.com/news/20171022/like-it-or-not-jesus-was-liberal
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 12:00 #8

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 12:09 #9

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Pathetic attention-whore thread detected. :chuckle:
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 12:36 #10

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"Left wing" and "right wing" are, more or less, categories that arose in the context of 20th-century politics in Western nations. They didn't exist in 1st-century Judea.

In that time and place, the average person was a non-citizen subject of the Roman empire. But then as now, you had people who would have liked to claim Jesus as being on their side (socially or religiously), and also people who wanted to pin him down somehow so that they could discredit him. So for example, you have this episode in Mark 12:13-17 (and also Matthew 22), where they asked him if it was "lawful" to pay taxes to the Romans.

If he just said that it was, then they'd say he was a Roman sympathizer, and if he said it wasn't, they'd try to make him out as a rebel/Zealot, to get him in hot water with the Romans. He gives an unexpected answer that is not really evasive, but rather serves to re-frame the question in its proper perspective.

People in Jesus' time were suffering under oppressive systems, such as the Roman imperial system and the Pharisaic religious system (see Matthew 23:4, Luke 11:46). What he did was to give people an answer to their suffering. Not an answer to the question of "why", but an answer to the suffering itself.

People today living in Western societies where we have left- vs. right-wing politics are suffering under an oppressive system as well. We may have a high standard of living and a never-ending buffet of entertainments and diversions, but nevertheless people are suffering deeply.

It's our system of radical individualism / consumerism / secular humanism, and it isolates people from each other, devalues them, sucks the meaning and hope out of their lives, denies our uniqueness, destroys community, and tells us that we're just a blob of protoplasm with no inherent worth, of value only for how we contribute to the economy and/or can be used by others for their pleasure.

This system devalues everything that Jesus values, and it has no mercy. It maintains itself in a balance between two artificial poles of "left-wing" and "right-wing", which, to a certain extent, exist for the sake of each other, to divide us, and to offer us false dichotomies and empty choices.

The left and the right both affirm some true things... however, they both do this while denying other true things.

I don't think that Jesus fits into our modern categories any more than he fit into the categories of the culture in which he lived on Earth.

Jesus certainly believes in social justice... does that make him "left-wing"? He believes in individual responsibility... does that make him "right-wing"?

I think that today, if someone were to ask Jesus some question in order to claim him for the Left or the Right, or to pin him down, he might give another category-defying answer, just like he did then. I think he is more concerned about the system that oppresses us and that now as then he offers us an answer in himself.

If you read the Gospels you will see that Jesus was and is all about something called "the Kingdom of God." I don't think there is any left wing or right wing in that.

www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-a-left-or-right-winger-politically

John 18:36-37 Tyndale Bible
36 Iesus answered: my kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world then would my ministers surely fight, that I should not be delivered to the jewes, but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate said unto him: Art thou a king then? Iesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this cause was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the trueth. And all that are of the truth hear my voice.

biblehub.com/tnt/john/18.htm
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 12:49 #11

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Flare wrote:
Pathetic attention-whore thread detected. :chuckle:

Pathetic troll 'moderator' with his usual personal abuse activity, I agree with Ugh, you should not be a moderator.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 12:55 #12

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Left wing" and "right wing" are, more or less, categories that arose in the context of 20th-century politics in Western nations. They didn't exist in 1st-century Judea.

You don't say.... :roll:


The premise is not that Jesus had joined a Socialist left wing movement during his alleged time in Judea, rather his philosophies are more in tune with the modern Left than the Right.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:11 #13

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Jesus with Right wing values. ^
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:27 #14

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:36 #15

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:39 #16

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Jesus certainly believes in social justice... does that make him "left-wing"? He believes in individual responsibility... does that make him "right-wing"?

If you read the Gospels you will see that Jesus was and is all about something called "the Kingdom of God." I don't think there is any left wing or right wing in that.

www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-a-left-or-right-winger-politically
John 18:36-37 Tyndale Bible
36 Iesus answered: my kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world then would my ministers surely fight, that I should not be delivered to the jewes, but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate said unto him: Art thou a king then? Iesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this cause was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the trueth. And all that are of the truth hear my voice.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:44 #17

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His position of defending the weak and downtrodden is in tune with modern day Leftism, in fact the NT is a Progressive version of the OT, no eye for eye,,,,nope,,,,,turn the other cheek and love your enemies.....man!!





The NT is a progressive Jewish hippy book for the Liberals to enjoy., the OT is for the Conservatives.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:48 #18

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The Quran is another strictly traditionalist book for Conservatives to enjoy. Unlike the liberal and progressive NT. Pay Caesar his taxes and I give free heath care to the poor, sell all your possessions and own nothing, just like a stinky ole Commie. :thumbup:
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