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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 13:59 #21

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 14:03 #22

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 14:22 #23

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That disciple was John whom Jesus, the gospels affirm, loved in a special way. All the other disciples had fled in fear. Three women but only one man had the courage to go with Jesus to his execution. That man clearly had a unique place in the affection of Jesus. In all classic depictions of the Last Supper, a favourite subject of Christian art, John is next to Jesus, very often his head resting on Jesus's breast
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 14:28 #24

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The NT is a book for weaklings, pacifists, and progressives, those who want a new and modern lifestyle. The root of liberalism.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 17:28 #25

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Frothy wrote:
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JC stood for honour, decency and anti-immigration so in that respect he definitely wasn't a lefty..:)
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 17:33 #26

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Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
Translation - ''pay your taxes and be good boys''.

That's one of Jesus's most notable sayings, pity it's misunderstood by a lot of people..:)
In essence, he was saying "The Romans have got you by the balls so just chill and go with the flow because nothing lasts forever, not even the mighty Roman Empire."
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 17:38 #27

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.."And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple.."
Translation ''The free market is bad''

Mate, if you got a phone call from your dear old dad saying "Help, a bunch of market traders have had the cheek to set up their stalls in my yard!" you'd be round there like a shot to boot them out..:)
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 17:42 #28

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Conservatives claim Christ as one of their own. But he was the unemployed son of two asylum-seekers with all the personal traits of a modern revolutionary.

I wouldn't call Mary and Joseph "asylum seekers", they were Israelis born and bred, and JC wasn't unemployed, he helped his dad run the family carpentry business..:)
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 17:56 #29

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..Jesus..his philosophies are more in tune with the modern Left than the Right.

JC was very anti-immigration and very anti-heathen, so if he was a lefty I'm Mary Poppins..:)

Jesus said- "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs....do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" (Matt 15:26,Matt 7:6)
John said- "Don't let unbelievers into your house or bid them God speed" (2 John 1:10 KJV)
Peter said- "Ungodly..They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed.." (2 Peter 2:12)
Paul said- "Don't yoke yourself with unbelievers, for what do light and darkness have in common?" (2 Cor 6:14)
"Evildoers...They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city..but thou, O Lord, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision" (Psalm 59:6)

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 18:06 #30

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(to Flare)-Pathetic troll 'moderator' with his usual personal abuse activity, I agree with Ugh, you should not be a moderator.

Just to clarify, I got on alright with Flare for a while because we both have an interest in military history, but then he called me a "nutcase" because I badmouthed his hero Hitler, and he deleted several of my posts.
I regarded that as a declaration of war by him against me so now he'll have to take my flak in return.
PS- I've already stopped donating cash to TZ because I'd certainly be nuts to support any forum which has a mod who deletes my posts
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 18:28 #31

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The NT is a book for weaklings, pacifists, and progressives, those who want a new and modern lifestyle. The root of liberalism.

Dunno who told you that mate, but I'm surprised you swallowed it..:)

1- Christians are kool, calm and goodnatured but are far from weaklings, because they've got pure titanium skeletons on the inside..:)

2- "The greatest warrior is one who never has to fight a battle" (General Sun Tzu, 600 BC), in other words we should rightly avoid war whenever humanly possible but that doesn't mean we're blind pacifists.
For example when they came to arrest Jesus, Peter drew his sword and whacked the high priest's flunky across the head with it, slicing off his ear.

3- If "progressive" means supporting multiculturism, there's zilch in the NT that says we should do that..:)
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 20:20 #32

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Ugh wrote:
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Conservatives claim Christ as one of their own. But he was the unemployed son of two asylum-seekers with all the personal traits of a modern revolutionary.

I wouldn't call Mary and Joseph "asylum seekers", they were Israelis born and bred, and JC wasn't unemployed, he helped his dad run the family carpentry business..:)

They migrated to Egypt to avoid persecution from Herod = asylum seekers.

During the alleged ministry he was a loafer.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 21:51 #34

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They migrated to Egypt to avoid persecution from Herod = asylum seekers.
During the alleged ministry he was a loafer.

Haha mate you're a funny guy..:)

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Was Jesus a Lefty? 10 Jul 2019 23:24 #35

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This is a joke....but mind you a sick one...... considering all the churches that were seized and destroyed, Bibles and Christianity outlawed, the multitudes, the millions of Christians who were informed on, enslaved, imprisoned, tortured, tortured to death, forced into labor camps, murdered, slaughtered en masse etc.. by c o m m u n i s t s

The communists hatred of Christianity was filled with rage, those who saw it said that the fervor reminded themselves of Dostoyevsky’s Demons.
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 11 Jul 2019 09:32 #36

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Frothy wrote:
This is a joke....but mind you a sick one...... considering all the churches that were seized and destroyed, Bibles and Christianity outlawed, the multitudes, the millions of Christians who were informed on, enslaved, imprisoned, tortured, tortured to death, forced into labor camps, murdered, slaughtered en masse etc.. by c o m m u n i s t s

The communists hatred of Christianity was filled with rage, those who saw it said that the fervor reminded themselves of Dostoyevsky’s Demons.
A purge.

Hippy Jesus would tell you to turn the other cheek and love Communists,in fact he'd have been against the hierarchical church system and it's devilish misuse of power. Communism was meant to be a real heaven not an imaginary one. Much of the philosophy is in tune with that of Jesus. The Communists wanted to stop pretending and do it for real.

Jesus was a progressive Socialist and a liberal, he threw out those snooty old Conservative/Capitalist priests. *Dare say he would have been angry as the Church roamed the Earth slaughtering his father's children in his own name.

*Nope, he tuned the other cheek

**That's of course had he existed outside of some volumes of literature
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Was Jesus a Lefty? 11 Jul 2019 10:16 #38

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It was in 1983 that I heard the distinguished Greek Orthodox historian Aristeides Papadakis casually remark in a lecture at the University of Maryland that the earliest Christians were “communists.” In those days, the Cold War was still casting its great glacial shadow across the cultural landscape, and so enough of a murmur of consternation rippled through the room that Professor Papadakis — who always spoke with severe precision — felt obliged to explain that he meant this in the barest technical sense: They lived a common life and voluntarily enjoyed a community of possessions. The murmur subsided, though not necessarily the disquiet.

Not that anyone should have been surprised. If the communism of the apostolic church is a secret, it is a startlingly open one. Vaguer terms like “communalist” or “communitarian” might make the facts sound more palatable but cannot change them. The New Testament’s Book of Acts tells us that in Jerusalem the first converts to the proclamation of the risen Christ affirmed their new faith by living in a single dwelling, selling their fixed holdings, redistributing their wealth “as each needed” and owning all possessions communally. This was, after all, a pattern Jesus himself had established: “Each of you who does not give up all he possesses is incapable of being my disciple” (Luke 14:33).


This was always something of a scandal for the Christians of later ages, at least those who bothered to notice it. And today in America, with its bizarre piety of free enterprise and private wealth, it is almost unimaginable that anyone would adopt so seditious an attitude. Down the centuries, Christian culture has largely ignored the more provocative features of the early church or siphoned off their lingering residues in small special communities (such as monasteries and convents). Even when those features have been acknowledged, they have typically been treated as somehow incidental to the Gospel’s message — a prudent marshaling of resources against a hostile world for a brief season, but nothing essential to the faith, and certainly nothing amounting to a political philosophy.

It’s true, of course, that the early church was not a political movement in the modern sense. The very idea would have been meaningless. There were no political ideologies in the ancient world, no abstract programs for the reconstitution of society. But if not a political movement, the church was a kind of polity, and the form of life it assumed was not merely a practical strategy for survival, but rather the embodiment of its highest spiritual ideals. Its “communism” was hardly incidental to the faith.

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Quick run away....it's Communists.
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