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Cannabis for Autism 22 Jan 2015 08:42 #1

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I know there are other threads here about Autism, but i decided to start a new one for information and discussion as well as a resource thread on the specific topic of using cannabis to try and improve things for those with autism.

I know its a very controversial topic, especially in regards to cannabis use on children.

As an intro here's part of an article taken from the article named Marijuana-Like Chemical May Help Autism And Fragile X Syndrome Symptoms

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Some have advocated for marijuana as a treatment for people with autism, reporting the same anxiety-reducing effects. In 2009, Mieko Hester-Perez made national headlines for giving marijuana to her then-ten-year-old son with autism, Joey. Hester-Perez said that pot changed Joey's life. The mother said she tried countless diets and drugs on her son, with no luck, the Autism Support Network reports.

Prescription drugs, such as Ritalin, gave him serious side effects, including facial ticks, seizures, liver damage and dangerous weight loss. With the marijuana cookies his mother gives him, Joey is able to calmly play with toys, smile and even try to talk, according to his mother.

When another mother, D'Ette Spurgeon, saw her 20-year-old son begin smoking marijuana, she quickly accepted it as she saw that it improved his sociability, vocabulary and calmed his anxiety, according to Marijuana.net. She said she was able to have her first conversation with her son.

However, there are strong critics of giving marijuana to children and young adults. Research on the effects of marijuana on autistic children is limited, and there have been studies showing possible negative effects of marijuana on young people.

A study released last month found that teens who routinely smoke marijuana risk a long-term drop in their IQ. Earlier this month, a study found that smoking pot as a teenager can double a man’s risk of getting testicular cancer.

Other researchers found that people who smoke marijuana are twice as likely to become schizophrenic than those who do not, although it is unclear if it's because of a correlation or actual causation.
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Interesting..

I believe vitamin D, piracetam (and similar nootropics), caffeine, and taurine can also help autism...
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The New Patient Base – Families of Special Needs Children and Adults

Source: medicalmarijuana411.com/the-new-patient-base-families-of-special-needs-children-and-adults/

By Mieko Hester-Perez

Co-Founder, UF4A.ORG

Until further laws are passed, this is what special needs families need to consider when choosing cannabis as a safe and effective treatment for autism. As a pioneer of this treatment option and co-founder of UF4A.ORG an informational website, I spend over 50% of my time consulting with families and medical professionals on navigating this treatment that currently has no guidelines or dosage structure. Once laws are passed to protect families who have chosen this treatment, there will still be some questions that will be foreign to the cannabis industry with respects to our unique school and family dynamics.

To date there is still no viable treatment in sight for most parents and medical professionals who have exhausted all other treatments for persons on the autism spectrum. Physicians and special needs specialist will also need starter guidelines for the cannabis industry, the bridge of 2 misunderstood communities is finally connecting.

I’ve compiled a list of frequently asked questions, as the diagnosis of autism and special needs children numbers rise with the influx of families reaching out to me presents a devastating statistic among families trying to survive the psychotropic protocol frustration that I encountered in 2009 when I went public with my son on this treatment option.

- Parental Etiquette when choosing this treatment needs to be exercised by any means necessary.

- If you’re not in a compassionate state, expect uncompassionate legal action.

- Social Media, owns everything you post…even in private groups.

- Never assume all doctors have heard about this treatment option.

- Without common sense discretion with medical providers, family members and friends about this treatment can be used against your family in a Child Protective Services debacle. That could result into removal of the children until the case is closed Always keep a copy of all your medical documentation & 3rd party behavioral agency reports in a folder handy at every doctor’s appointment and 2nd copy available in your home.

Some of us have “medical bibles” and just like the bible, the documents work in our favor and could help avoid your family from seeking legal counsel. If you do have to seek legal counsel this will also make it easier for your attorney to be successful in the final outcome.

- Even if your physician is ok with this treatment, until federal laws are passed it’s not in your families’ best interest to have this treatment listed in their medical history. I say this because; most families receive some of type of funding through agencies and could encounter a loss of services based off this treatment option being on a report.

- If you have other children in your home, parental discussions about this treatment with minor siblings is not an option. I believe in educating but, until further laws are passed this too could provide CPS with another reason to remove your children to evaluate your parental mindset.

- Never assume a bud tender at a collective/dispensary is a doctor or autism expert, the wrong strain could land your child in the hospital where you will have to disclose this treatment in the ER department with doctors who are obligated to call CPS. Each child is different under the autism umbrella and so are the collectives. My rule of thumb when finding a reputable collective, always ask which analytics lab do they use for strain testing and do they have a special needs consultant for families.

- Just because a cannabis company is at a special needs conference doesn’t mean it works but simply means you have an option to explore products. Always keep in mind that a knowledgeable information source is your best bet on your choice of products.
Ask yourself, does this company have family peer reviews with reputable opinions?



I strongly feel at the rate of autism and special needs families in America this treatment option can only further marijuana legislation efforts in our favor through our voting rights, ground breaking science and medical professionals who follow their doctorate oath to our children in preserving and providing a better quality of life.

For a private consultation with Mieko Perez and/or speaking bookings please contact: Go to article here for contact email

Exclusive for Medical Marijuana 411

UF4A.ORG is leading the way in nontraditional treatments and therapies not covered by healthcare providers or that place a burden on families who cannot afford services such as Aquatic Therapy, additional Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapies, your contributions will directly help support the advancement of our mission.
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Cannabis for Autism 22 Jan 2015 09:38 #5

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Another question could be... if one accepts its use may be beneficial... should it be given to children or wait until they are older.
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Cannabis is the wonder drug (some mischieviously call it "snakeoil") of the Freudian psycho-delic new age movement :)

Of course it should be given to babies and children! ;) :cool2:

Ritalin and other synthetic drugs are created for the pharma-believers, cannabis is for the atheist greens and other anarcho-hippies.
Hopefully it will soon be LEGALIZED and thus the sales and prize controlled by the drugging system.

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Cannabis for Autism 22 Jan 2015 09:57 #7

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cannabis is the wonder drug (some mischieviously call it "snakeoil") of the Freudian psycho-delic new age movement :)

Of course it should be given to babies and children! ;) :cool2:

Ritalin and other synthetic drugs are created for the pharma-believers, cannabis is for the atheist greens and other anarcho-hippies.
Hopefully it will soon be LEGALIZED and thus the sales and prize controlled by the drugging system.

The Jewish Post aka THP is of course a great source, especially when it comes to goy health issues, and its revelations
should never ever be doubted, questioned or - yAhwEh forbid - denied!


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Do you have any thoughts on what could help people with autism, whether they be children or adults, to improve their condition?

Cannabis is a plant, a naturally occuring one btw, one could say a god given plant, lets not forget that.
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Cannabis for Autism 22 Jan 2015 11:50 #8

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novum wrote:
Another question could be... if one accepts its use may be beneficial... should it be given to children or wait until they are older.

I would say it isn't necessarily for the government to decide. A well-informed parent, perhaps together with an enlightened doctor could medicate their child. But where next? More research on anandamide? What about magic mushrooms? If magic mushrooms can cure depression and anxiety and cluster headaches and elevate empathy in some individuals for months following just ONE trip (as found by a team at my old university - Imperial College), should we put some mushies in our young rain man's soup?

As much as I like cannabis now and then, and I do, I can't stand Cannatholics (get it?). You know, the people that will claim it is harmless and a miracle and can cure everything. Cannabis isn't a wonder-drug. It is a paradoxical drug. It can alleviate anxiety, yet cause it. It can alleviate depression, and yet cause it. It can enhance creativity, yet kill motivation to be creative stone dead. It apparently is not physically addictive (perhaps due to the very long half-life of its metabolites), and yet I have known many many many many many people (young men especially) who have been addicted to it, to the point of spending all of their money on it, stealing money for it, and get visibly upset/cry or even throw tantrums when they are out of weed and needing a hit.

Having said that, a potential drug would probably aim to minimize the narcotic effect, unless of course it is the narcotic effect that is alleviating the suffering.

It isn't the only route or likely the best one.

Sunshine and vitamin D on the other hand..... a wonder hormone!

www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/vitamin-d-and-autism-case-report-improved-symptoms
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Cannabis may have long term mental health issues, it can cause paranoia like symptoms to occur.

One case re- vitamin D
In their report, autism specialists at China’s First Hospital of Jilin University describe a toddler they diagnosed at 32 months with autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

They describe how the boy did not respond to his name or instructions and spoke only a few isolated words. He didn’t play with toys, but instead compulsively smelled objects and shredded paper. He ran in circles “endlessly” and suffered from tantrums that involved head banging.

Blood tests showed that the boy had borderline low blood levels of vitamin D (12.5 ng/mL). The doctors administered a monthly injection of vitamin D3 (150,000 IU) and prescribed a daily oral supplement (400 IU).

After two months, the boy’s vitamin D blood levels had risen to 81.2 ng/mL, and his parents were reporting clear improvements. The boy had stopped running in circles and banging his head. He was responding to his name, playing with toys and asking his parents to hold him in their arms. Re-evaluation with a diagnostic checklist likewise showed significant improvements in all areas of core autism symptoms.
www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/vitamin-d-and-autism-case-report-improved-symptoms

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Trouble is with this, it's just one child, as for cannabis, yes it will tranquilize some anxieties but as I say, it can also cause other long term anxieties such as paranoia, imo it could be synthesized to meet the needs of the individual.

edit Oh I see you already made that link Mr crappy
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Perhaps autistic people ought to get together and suggest that neurotypical people don't exist, they are a Jewish plot, and that they need to smoke a load of cannabis and just stop all their pointless communications, subtle codes of body language and stop saying things in different tones to change the meanings, stupid lies about ''how are you''....''fine thank you'' and other ridiculous rituals that they engage in, and all this sneaky underhand business of using facial expressions to alter meanings of expressions of words, what are they, all freemasons?. :dunno:
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Easier said than done but the following might just be what is needed...
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it could be synthesized to meet the needs of the individual.

I don't think the procedure of synthetic organisms (such as plant) is difficult for big pharma, already synthetic yeast is created.

The procedure for case by case needs would require a menu, of different synthetic types of cannabis, say 20 variants, these variants can then be adjusted as cocktails based on the reactions of the child, with a monitoring programme done in all aspects of their life.

Such as at nursey/school, in social settings, at meal times, sleep, etc.... and things within these categories such as listening & paying attention, introvert/extrovert behaviors, laughing, hiding, increased/decreased stimming etc... There are already many monitoring and diagnostic tools in place for such things, it would only be a case of applying them to a synthetic cannabis menu
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I was thinking more along the lines of who gets what re. the easier said than done comment, ( not about getting whats wanted/needed out of the plant ) ... which youve touched on with the variants/cocktails and monitoring thing.. i dont think figuring out what each person would need is easy by any means, its complicated... doesnt mean its not do-able though.
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I was thinking more along the lines of who gets what re. the easier said than done comment, ( not about getting whats wanted/needed out of the plant ) ... which youve touched on with the variants/cocktails and monitoring thing.. i dont think figuring out what each person would need is easy by any means, its complicated... doesnt mean its not do-able though.

What's needed is a knowledge of how the variants effect the children, and dare I say personality type, introvert/extrovert and what they like to do IE's listen to music, or draw?

An experiment will need to be taken, where parent volunteers with receiving free treatment (USA) and the different variants can be cross referenced to different personality characteristics, then logged, over time, Dr's would become better at prescribing and referring to the monitoring process, there then could be a prescription/behavioral toolkit created where the Dr can consult when referring to changes in the monitoring tools.

It's a combination of social work and prescription/product knowledge.

It's like if someone visits a chiropractor about a sore back, they will be asked about lifestye, and for sure, what type of bed matress is used, this information will effect any treatment, IE you've changed beds, how is your back now?
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Cannabis may have long term mental health issues, it can cause paranoia like symptoms to occur.

One case re- vitamin D
In their report, autism specialists at China’s First Hospital of Jilin University describe a toddler they diagnosed at 32 months with autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

They describe how the boy did not respond to his name or instructions and spoke only a few isolated words. He didn’t play with toys, but instead compulsively smelled objects and shredded paper. He ran in circles “endlessly” and suffered from tantrums that involved head banging.

Blood tests showed that the boy had borderline low blood levels of vitamin D (12.5 ng/mL). The doctors administered a monthly injection of vitamin D3 (150,000 IU) and prescribed a daily oral supplement (400 IU).

After two months, the boy’s vitamin D blood levels had risen to 81.2 ng/mL, and his parents were reporting clear improvements. The boy had stopped running in circles and banging his head. He was responding to his name, playing with toys and asking his parents to hold him in their arms. Re-evaluation with a diagnostic checklist likewise showed significant improvements in all areas of core autism symptoms.
www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/vitamin-d-and-autism-case-report-improved-symptoms

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Trouble is with this, it's just one child, as for cannabis, yes it will tranquilize some anxieties but as I say, it can also cause other long term anxieties such as paranoia, imo it could be synthesized to meet the needs of the individual.

edit Oh I see you already made that link Mr crappy

There's a lot of research going on with regards vitamin D. Despite being classed as a vitamin, vitamin D is in fact a hormone. There seems to be a lot of conditions and diseases that might be linked to or alleviated with vitamin D.

High doses of vitamin D3 will also tranquilize. Ever feel sleepy after an hour or several of sunbathing? 20,000IU of D3 will have you relaxed and sleeping like a baby.
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As it stands with treatment prescription, for example a corticosteroid cream for treating dermatitis is began with the weakest dose, and then the dose is increased on feedback if needed.

The base properties of cannabis are likely be the same for anyone, things like paranoia can be traced to particular brain patterns & chemical movements, it's why not only will the drug need to be tailored, the autistic person will be given the drug prior to doing things that they enjoy or don't enjoy, I don't ever think it will be a medication that is used all the time, only something taken on a pro re nata bases when needed.

Usually imo to help with the transition between different activities and new experiences.

It's then just really a matter of reducing the paranoia effect synthetically in such ways that it still stimulates the mind but is in line with the patients general brain chemistry.

I think it should be available for everyone autistic or not.
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Anyway, back to autism. I want one of those rain man ones. There's a casino near me.
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My sincere apologies Mr Cappy, i hit the edit button instead of the quote on you post, and ended up losing most of it except the rain main part.

And it was a great post, shit im sorry... i must try to be more careful.

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My sincere apologies Mr Cappy, i hit the edit button instead of the quote on you post, and ended up losing most of it except the rain main part.

And it was a great post, shit im sorry... i must try to be more careful.

My bad.

T'is ok. I was basically just saying that unhappy or mentally ill people suffering loss, trauma, depression, schizophrenia, anxiety etc become addicts i.e. self-medicate to alleviate that loss, trauma or depression etc. Happy and healthy people (or sick or unhappy people with greater resilience and support) tend not to turn to drugs or drink. This in a nutshell is why some people can smoke a little weed, do a little coke, drink a little wine, and then not partake again for days, weeks, or months. I have recognized this in myself and others. My friend's son is going through this right now, and it is sad to see. The oldest (20) will cry when he runs out of weed. This is a lesson for me, because I remember doing the same when I was 16. I felt life was only good stoned, and now I see him seemingly doing and thinking the same. I've seen it countless times.

Anyway, back to Autism... TV will save them!

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2920454/Could-treatment-prevent-autism.html

(again apologies for being lazy and getting the story from the pile of shite known as The Daily Mail; though let's face it, all newspapers print the same fucking Reuters stories)
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