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The Myth of Khazaria 25 Sep 2014 15:10 #21

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Very good and well put together article from Dr. Duke, he has convinced me once again that the Ashkenazim are in fact Semites. This was always my theory - the similarities with Arabs are too much, the only difference is pigmentation - until recently when I bought into the Khazar/Mongol theory, but I'm always willing to be objective. I think it's the truth that they are indeed Semites. Look at a typical Arab and compare them to a full-blooded (not mixed) Ashkenazi Jew.

To add, not that I think it matters much whether they are Semites or Mongols. They're still non-European and still hostile to Europe, regardless of their origins.
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this still makes sense to me......

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Seaic wrote:
Very good and well put together article from Dr. Duke, he has convinced me once again that the Ashkenazim are in fact Semites. This was always my theory - the similarities with Arabs are too much, the only difference is pigmentation - until recently when I bought into the Khazar/Mongol theory, but I'm always willing to be objective. I think it's the truth that they are indeed Semites. Look at a typical Arab and compare them to a full-blooded (not mixed) Ashkenazi Jew.

To add, not that I think it matters much whether they are Semites or Mongols. They're still non-European and still hostile to Europe, regardless of their origins.


this is what Marrs says - that the Iranans' have more jewish blood in then than even the sephardics' and the askenazi of course , none -
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I take this as correct as the Talmud was written by the Sanhedrin Rabbis (Pharisees) who lived in Biblical times and saw that Christ was executed.

My clear understanding is ......... no one can execute the Christ image .......... you can only delay the mass implementation of the image.

As long there is only one true honest human on earth the Christ image will always be around.

Jews or Hebrews did not ever do anything to this image of Christ or nailed it on any cross.
They wished they could execute it; but they can't because its impossible to do so.
(what do you all think why they again working overtime to delay the image implementation?)

Those so called Jews or Hebrews which invented the story are just again rotten liars.
Nothing ever changes when it comes to liars.

Once a liar always a liar ! .............. were there is one lie there are many more to be found.

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The Myth of Khazaria 26 Sep 2014 14:08 #25

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this still makes sense to me......

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Hi Friday,

What do you say to the numerous genetic studies that Dr. Duke provides in the article in the OP, which prove conclusively that they are of Middle Eastern origin?

The fair hair and blue eyes that some of them have are a result of interbreeding with the Europeans. Also look at their noses. No Central Asians ever had hooked, downward-pointing, droopy noses.
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The Myth of Khazaria 26 Sep 2014 19:28 #26

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Seaic wrote:
Friday wrote:
this still makes sense to me......

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Hi Friday,

What do you say to the numerous genetic studies that Dr. Duke provides in the article in the OP, which prove conclusively that they are of Middle Eastern origin?

The fair hair and blue eyes that some of them have are a result of interbreeding with the Europeans. Also look at their noses. No Central Asians ever had hooked, downward-pointing, droopy noses.

Maybe David Duke did some good genetic studies but does he still support the KKK?

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Cinta wrote:
Seaic wrote:
Friday wrote:
this still makes sense to me......

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Hi Friday,

What do you say to the numerous genetic studies that Dr. Duke provides in the article in the OP, which prove conclusively that they are of Middle Eastern origin?

The fair hair and blue eyes that some of them have are a result of interbreeding with the Europeans. Also look at their noses. No Central Asians ever had hooked, downward-pointing, droopy noses.

Maybe David Duke did some good genetic studies but does he still support the KKK?

truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/64241-the-imperceptible-absurdity-of-bs-reality.html?start=60#129858

Get lost Cinta.

Why don't you tell the readers that 1) Duke is no longer in the KKK and 2) the current KKK is non-violent? But no, that would be far too much to expect from you wouldn't it? After all you don't actually bother to look into the subjects you're copying and pasting on.

This thread is about the Khazar Theory and not your ill-informed ramblings about David Duke. Anything to say on the Khazar Theory, or just off-topic trolling? For your further information, the genetic studies included in Duke's article have nothing to do with him and come from a wide range of universities and academic institutions, some of them Jewish and Israeli.

Again, what are your opinions on the Khazar Theory? If you don't have any, please don't clutter the thread for those of us who want to discuss it. Thank you.
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The Myth of Khazaria 27 Sep 2014 13:23 #28

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Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Seaic wrote:
Friday wrote:
this still makes sense to me......

Khazars full video

Hi Friday,

What do you say to the numerous genetic studies that Dr. Duke provides in the article in the OP, which prove conclusively that they are of Middle Eastern origin?

The fair hair and blue eyes that some of them have are a result of interbreeding with the Europeans. Also look at their noses. No Central Asians ever had hooked, downward-pointing, droopy noses.

Maybe David Duke did some good genetic studies but does he still support the KKK?

truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/64241-the-imperceptible-absurdity-of-bs-reality.html?start=60#129858

Get lost Cinta.

Why don't you tell the readers that 1) Duke is no longer in the KKK and 2) the current KKK is non-violent? But no, that would be far too much to expect from you wouldn't it? After all you don't actually bother to look into the subjects you're copying and pasting on.

This thread is about the Khazar Theory and not your ill-informed ramblings about David Duke. Anything to say on the Khazar Theory, or just off-topic trolling? For your further information, the genetic studies included in Duke's article have nothing to do with him and come from a wide range of universities and academic institutions, some of them Jewish and Israeli.

Again, what are your opinions on the Khazar Theory? If you don't have any, please don't clutter the thread for those of us who want to discuss it. Thank you.

Thanks for telling me to get lost.
No need to be this impolite with me.
I thought you were a decent man ; well I guess not.
I will have a look at that video.

I am not trolling at all.
Maybe my question about David Duke was a bit too confronting.
The KKK is still active,and their idea's are still same.

I copied this from offcial KKK sites:

''Our ideology is simple, self preservation and the advancement of White Christian America.''
www.unskkkk.com/

'' David Duke, who holds a degree in history and is a writer and lecturer, founded
the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
. He did his best to present a polished professional
image for himself and his Klan and was successful to a considerable extent. In
1979, he stepped down to found his National Association for the Advancement of
White People and to go into politics. Don Black succeeded Duke as Grand Wizard
and promptly went to prison when he attempted to take over the government of a
small island country in the Caribbean Sea. His Klan had a brief success when
they won the hotly disputed Gulf Shrimp Boat Crisis, but he proved to be a hot
headed leader. While in prison, his trusted seconds in command ousted him.
Stanley McCollum then took over the Knights of the KKK group and held it
together for eight years. Under his leadership it went into great decline and faded
away. By the 1980's, all but three of the Klans that existed up to and during the
1960's had vanished. As in the 1950's and 1960's, new Klan groups came and
went in the 1970's. Some didn't last long enough to get noticed outside of their
local areas. The same continued throughout the 80's, 90's, and to this day.''
www.kkklan.com/wall.htm

These links come from various sites some are of this year.

''Can the Ku Klux Klan Rebrand?''
[Imperial Wizard Frank] Ancona, who lives in Missouri, insists there's a new Klan
for modern times -- a Klan that's "about educating people to our ideas and getting
people to see our point of view to ... help change things."
"I believe in racial separation but it doesn't have to be violent," the Imperial Wizard
told CNN. "People in the Klan are professional people, business people, working
types. We are a legitimate organization."
Indeed, it seems Aaron and the Imperial Wizard see the same thing. Racists
hiding in suits. Which begs the question any self-respecting, journalistic operation
would ask, "Can the Klan rebrand?"
www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/20/1293376/-CNN-Can-the-Klu-Klux-Klan-Rebrand#

''KKK Calls For Violence Against Latino Immigrants:
‘Leave the corpses laying on the border’''
The man, identifying himself as Robert Jones said, “if we can’t turn them back,
I think if we pop a couple of them off and leave the corpses laying on the border,
maybe they’ll see that we’re serious about stopping immigration.”
politicalblindspot.com/kkk-calls-for-violence-against-latino-immigrants-leave-the-corpses-laying-on-the-border/

''Keeping An Eye On The KKK''
Just when you think the Ku Klux Klan – with its sordid history of racism and
violence – is a thing of the past, it rears its ugly, white-sheet-hooded head.
In the aftermath of the tragic killings at Jewish Community Centers in Kansas City
on April 13 – and reports that the accused gunman belonged to a KKK group in
North Carolina – you wanted to see if there is other news about the KKK in
contemporary America.
Here is what a week of watching the KKK in 2014 has taught you:
KKK Arrest: Frazier Glenn Cross, the man charged in the Kansas City shootings,
was formerly known as Glenn Miller, a KKK leader in North Carolina. In the 1980s,
according to an ABC11 News investigation in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., Miller ran for
governor, And he was arrested when he was found in a car with a black male
prostitute who was dressed as a woman.
www.npr.org/blogs/theprotojournalist/2014/04/27/307426730/keeping-an-eye-on-the-kkk

''2 Florida Cops Fired After FBI Ties Them To KKK''
Two police officers are no longer with the city department here after a law enforcement
report tied them to the Ku Klux Klan, an official said Monday.''
Deputy Chief David Borst resigned and Officer George Hunnewell was fired last
week, City Manager Gary La Venia said.''
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/14/david-borst-george-hunnew_n_5585909.html

''With NC KKK leader Glenn Miller's level of hate, violence inevitable''
White supremacist Frazier Glenn Cross, once known in these parts as Glenn
Miller, provided my Indiana family with a bracing “welcome to the South” when we
moved to Raleigh in the early ’80s. While it didn’t take long to see that North
Carolina as a whole was a delightful place to live, full of diverse and accepting
people, reading about this nightmare of a man and his local ilk was a lesson in
the lingering existence of hardcore, out-in-the-open activist racism.
www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/16/3789273_with-nc-kkk-leader-glenn-millers.html?rh=1

''Former Alabama KKK Leader Sentenced to Prison for Cross Burning and Obstruction of Justice ''
www.fbi.gov/mobile/press-releases/2014/former-alabama-kkk-leader-sentenced-to-prison-for-cross-burning-and-obstruction-of-justice

''RICHMOND, Va. (WTVR)–The Ku Klux Klan call themselves the invisible empire, '
but they have certainly been reaching out to Richmond area residents, some who
have received recruitment flyers twice within two months.
Two men who profess to be members of the Virginia Ku Klux Klan spoke with CBS 6.''
“Since Obama’s first term our numbers have doubled and now that we’re headed
to a second term it’s going to triple, this is going to be the biggest resurgence of
the Klan since 1915,” said one of the Klansmen interviewed.
The Klansman have been handing out flyers in a Mechanicsville neighborhood, and
neighbors who received them have contacted CBS 6.
The man wearing the green robe said he’s the head of the state network, known as
the grand dragon. The other is a regional head. They said there has been a surge
of interest in the KKK since President Obama’s first term.
wtvr.com/2013/01/08/kkk-rises-in-virginia/
wtvr.com/2012/11/05/kkk-fliers-show-up-in-mechanicsville-neighborhood/

''Shocking documentary lifts the lid on how Ku Klux Klan is still strong in Mississippi''
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224004/Shocking-documentary-lifts-lid-Ku-Klux-Klan-strong-Mississippi.html

''Perhaps the group doesn’t “condone” hate crimes, but plenty of incidents involving
KKK members have sprung up in recent years, including some well-publicized
vandalism in Tennessee churches and a 2006 incident involving the beating of a
16-year-old boy at a county fair in Kentucky.''
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/06/kkk-westboro-baptist-church_n_871841.html

''Mississippi: Church vandalized, shot, “KKK The South Will Rise Again” Graffiti''
''“The Madison County Sheriff’s Department is investigating a case of vandalism at
a predominantly black church near Canton. The pastor says they found the damage
Tuesday and have no idea who did it.”
“Vandals targeted St. Matthews Missionary Baptist Church in Pickens. It’s on
Highway 51 North about 10 miles outside of Canton. The vandals shot out windows,
broke lights and etched graffiti on the building.
You can see the letters ‘KKK’ in some spots and obscene references to
President Obama in others.”
www.realcourage.org/2009/08/mississippi-church-vandalized/

''Klan Group Heralds Rise of New KKK, Calls for Segregation''
''In a forest grove not far from the nation's capital, several dozen men and women
gather. As the light fades, they enact a ritual over a century old but as fresh and
searing as the flame they ignite.
A cross, on fire.
They call themselves "the invisible empire" for a reason: They thrive in secrecy,
almost never permitting outsiders in.
Who are they?
"You don't know who I am," one man said. "You could think the world of me, and
yet if you see me in this hood and knew who I was, your whole thoughts could
change."
"I've been a fireman, I've been in the Navy," said another.
The people wearing these robes walk among us. Yet together, as they were this
summer in Martinsville, Va., they are the Ku Klux Klan.
"Klansmen, the fiery cross!" a man shouted.
"For God ... For country ... For race! ... And Klan!" the call and response went.
And just a couple of weeks ago, in Tupelo, Miss., a similar scene transpired.
"Klansmen, we are the only klan in the state of Mississippi!" a man shouted.
"White power!" yelled another.''
abcnews.go.com/US/miss-grand-wizard-heralds-rise-kkk-calls-segregation/story?id=17572788#.UIv3Y6qUT04

''Hate incidents in U.S. surge''
''More than 200 hate-related incidents, including cross-burnings, assassination
betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama, have been reported
so far, according to law-enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law
Center, which monitors hate groups. Racist Web sites are boasting that their
servers are crashing under the weight of exponential increases in page views.''
The FBI is investigating the recent Klan-related incidents to determine the extent
of any possible conspiracies. And the Secret Service is monitoring the apparent
sudden surge in hate incidents "to try to stay ahead of any emerging threats,
" according to spokesman Darrin Blackford in Washington.
Even some white supremacist leaders who describe themselves as moderates
say they are alarmed.''
Experts acknowledge that modern Klan chapters remain isolated and small, with
perhaps 6,000 members nationwide—a shadow of the group's membership of
4 million in the early 20th Century.''
In October 2007, residents of one black neighborhood said they witnessed
white-hooded Klan members on horseback riding through their streets. And last
March, Klan members openly handed out fliers in town advertising the second
annual "Sons of Dixie Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Craw Fish Boil" held at the
house Foster was renting.''
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-klan_bdnov23-story.html#page=1

''America unmasked: The images that reveal the Ku Klux Klan is alive and kicking in 2009''
Anyone who doubts the capacity of the modern KKK for violence need look no
further than the recent case of 43-year-old Cynthia Lynch of Tulsa, Oklahoma.
She had never been out of her home state before she travelled to Louisiana to be
initiated into the Klan. She was met off the bus by two members of a group that
calls itself the Sons of Dixie and taken to a campsite in the woods 60 miles north
of New Orleans.''
Late last year, two suspected skinheads who had links to a violent Klan chapter in
Kentucky were charged with plotting to kill 88 black students. They were then
going to assassinate President Obama by blasting him from a speeding car while
wearing white tuxedos and top hats. They were never going to succeed, given the
huge security net around Obama, but the fact that they had planned such an
outlandish attack may be a harbinger of things to come.''
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/america-unmasked-the-images-that-reveal-the-ku-klux-klan-is-alive-and-kicking-in-2009-1625732.html

''A Ku Klux Klan Murder Reveals Details of Modern Klan Life''
www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2007/summer/southern-gothic

these are recent pictures I found on a KKK site



www.unskkkk.com/
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The Myth of Khazaria 27 Sep 2014 13:31 #29

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KKK stands for Kosher Kosher Kosher doesn't it?

I mean no one can be more racially white supremacist than the illegal Jewish state of Israel.
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KKK stands for Kosher Kosher Kosher doesn't it?

I mean no one can be more racially white supremacist than the illegal Jewish state of Israel.

Get real man.
Btw did you ever check if you have Jewish blood ?
I am sure you have ; you know so much about them. :chuckle:
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... the modern day Shetl .. though I bet they're not crapping on the floor and being barred from showering by their Rabbis like they were 100 years ago in Eastern Europe.
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Cinta wrote:
Thanks for telling me to get lost.
No need to be this impolite with me.
I thought you were a decent man ; well I guess not.
I will have a look at that video.

To be honest Cinta maybe my language was a bit harsh? So I shall apologise for my use of words there. But I've been on forums like this long enough to know what happens and how threads get derailed. The thread is not about Dr. Duke, it's about the Khazar Theory. The only relevance Duke has is that his article is the OP, but the thread is about the article and not Duke. If you want to discuss David Duke, open a thread about him. This thread is for the Khazar Theory. It's not for discussing the KKK or David Duke's involvement in it.

If you continue with posting about Duke or the KKK in this thread then I shall ignore you.
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Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Thanks for telling me to get lost.
No need to be this impolite with me.
I thought you were a decent man ; well I guess not.
I will have a look at that video.

To be honest Cinta maybe my language was a bit harsh? So I shall apologise for my use of words there. But I've been on forums like this long enough to know what happens and how threads get derailed. The thread is not about Dr. Duke, it's about the Khazar Theory. The only relevance Duke has is that his article is the OP, but the thread is about the article and not Duke. If you want to discuss David Duke, open a thread about him. This thread is for the Khazar Theory. It's not for discussing the KKK or David Duke's involvement in it.

If you continue with posting about Duke or the KKK in this thread then I shall ignore you.

Interesting video.
Mainly though about Jewish domination of our society;I understand and in a way
also acknowledge that.
But I think it is wrong to become and anti semite and prosecute them just
because of the Talmudic background,or that the Jews are having so much
controll over this world.
Like in the Talmud,there have been many more religions in this world that
have practised immorality,
The Jews as a people are not God's people anymore because they abide
to the old laws and have rejected Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
Hosea 1:9 :
''Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I
will not be your God.''
Hosea 1:6:
''Gomer conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. Then the Lord said to
Hosea, “Call her Lo-Ruhamah (which means “not loved”), for I will no longer
show love to Israel, that I should at all forgive them.''
The Jews are called a ''stiff-necked people in the bible.
Isaiah 48:4 :
''Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew,
and thy brow brass;''
Acts 7:51:
"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised.
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!''
But there will come a time when they will see Jesus Christ in all His glory
and then they ask ask about the wounds he has on his hands and feet and
then obey God again.
Zechariah 13:6:
''And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands?
Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.''
Revelation 1:7 :
''Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which
pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.''
Untill that moment comes the Jews are seen methaphorically as a woman a
prostitute who is without, and abandonned her Man ; Jesus Christ.

Who are we to judge ?
We are all sinners.
Ecclesiastes 7:20:
''Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is
right and never sins.''
1 Timothy 2 :4,5,6
''for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. 5 For there is
only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people.
He is the man Christ Jesus. 6 He gave his life to purchase freedom for everyone.
This is the message that God gave to the world at the proper time.''

I think we need to have compassion as Christians because God is compassionate too;
one day He will gather his other flock the Jews that accepted Christ as their Saviour
in their hearts and then we will all be brothers and sisters in the Kingdom of our Lord.
Ephesians 4:32 -:
''And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as
God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.''
Galatians 5:22-23 :
''But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,''

God is still lenient for all the peoples in this world that reject Christ as their Saviour.
Our choices seal our fate.
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The Myth of Khazaria 28 Sep 2014 13:36 #34

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Ashkenazi Jews are probably not descended from the Khazars

A few people have asked me about a new paper on arXiv, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses. Since it is on arXiv you can read the preprint yourself. And, since it is a preprint it is not quite polished, so keep that in mind when evaluating it. After a fashion we are part of the polishing process. So what do I think?

First, it seems to me that the author has a sense of humor about this, and I don’t know how seriously to take some of his assertions. Consider this passage: Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem – it is not science. Taken literally this seems rather bizarre. In the paper referenced the author refers to the “so-called demographic miracle of population expansion,” alluding to another scholar’s observation. It seems obvious that miracle in this context simply means an inexplicable phenomenon, not a genuine supernatural intervention. There are also plain factual problems which I assume will get cleared up in the final draft. Romania and Hungary are referred to as Slavic nations which were targets of migration by Khazars fleeing the collapse of their polity. Neither of these nations were then, or are now, Slavic. In general I have to say that the historical framework of the paper is very skeletal, verging on incoherent (at least to me).

That being said, there are positives. The authors use methods which you yourself could replicate with a public data set. When it comes to the “methods” section he seems to have it down (this is clearly a side project looking at his research focus). In particular my first instinct was to look for the keyword “IBD.” To get a real good sense of history through genetics utilizing dense marker data sets you really need to look at correlations across the genome which are indicative of relatively recent relatedness, not just PCA and model-based clustering which give you summaries of affinities between populations (e.g., ADMIXTURE). And they used many of the methods you’d want to see in concert. What more could they have done? Well, tested some explicit demographic models. But that’s computationally intensive from what I recall.

Setting aside the historical fuzziness of the paper, the major issue I have is that though the methods are totally kosher, so to speak, the data you put into them strongly shape your outcomes. Dienekes and Maju both anticipated my own key concern. The “Middle Eastern” aspect of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry might in fact be most well represented by populations in the zone of the northern Fertile Crescent and Eastern Anatolia; rather near or overlapping with the homelands of several of the Caucasian populations used in the above study as a proxy for Khazars. Additionally,  modern Palestinians (the HGDP data set) are used as a reference to the Middle Eastern ancestors of Jews. I now believe that the Arabian contribution to the ancestry of Levantine and Iraqi Muslim population which dates toafter the 7th century, and differentiates Muslim Arabs from their local non-Muslim Arab* co-ethnics, is significant. Perhaps on the same order of Germanic ancestry in modern England which dates to the 6th century and later. In plainer language the Caucasian component that is being detected in this paper may simply be a indigenous Middle Eastern ancestral element which has now been somewhat displaced northward in its modal frequency due to the expansion of the Arabs, and later the admixture of some Sub-Saharan admixture among Muslim Arabs. This would explain the finding of the author that the Druze, who are an endogamous community which has roots in the mountains of Lebanon, have affinities to the Turks. From this the author posits a Druze migration southward, but I suspect a more parsimonious explanation is simply that the Druze are a relatively isolated population which is more reflective of the Near Eastern genetic substratum which has been somewhat modified by over 1,000 years of cosmopolitan Muslim polities in the lowlands. In this model the modern Turks and Kurds would also be reflective of this ancient substratum, being more insulated from Sub-Saharan admixture as well as the population movements of Arabian tribes from the peninsula in the first century or so of Islam.



One aspect of the paper which requires some clarification is the idea that the Armenians are a Caucasian people. If you look at the modern state of Armenia this is eminently reasonable. But for most of its history Armenia was a marginal Caucasian nation, with its center of gravity further south, straddling Anatolia and western Iran, and looming over the plains of Mesopotamia. The Caucasian nature of modern Armenia is to a great extent a function of the extermination of Armenians from much of eastern Anatolia in the early 20th century. In contrast, Georgia is much more fundamentally a Caucasian nation. If you kept this reality in mind I suspect that passages such as this would not be necessary: The high genetic similarity between European Jews and Armenian compared to Georgians…is particularly bewildering because Armenians and Georgians are very similar populations that share a similar genetic background…and long history of cultural relations…. I wouldn’t place too much stock in one particular result, but it becomes a lot less bewildering if you know that Armenians have been much more active players in Near Eastern history because of locus of concentration further south than Georgians (e.g., Lesser Armenia).

Mind you, I wouldn’t be totally shocked if there was a Khazar contribution to the modern European Jewish ancestry. There have been some suggestive uniparental results. But the smoking gun for me is a simple one: East Asian ancestry. The Khazars were Turkic, and as such they would have had substantial proportions of East Asian ancestry. This is evident in the modern Chuvash, who have had a thousand years to admix with surrounding Slavic populations (and have). There are reasonable explanations for the “Caucasian” ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews which do not make recourse to the Khazar hypothesis. But a Mongoloid element is almost certainly feasible only through Turks of some sort, and the coincidence of a Judaized Turkic populations on the fringes of Europe is far too coincidental. There are some suggestive results which indicate small components of Mongoloid ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews, but the proportions are low enough that they may be some artifacts. This is one area where more investigation is warranted. For example, whole-genome analyses which look at “East Asian” segments in Ashkenazi Jews, and match them to various East Asian populations. That would almost certainly answer the Khazar question, as there are relatively undiluted Turkic populations, such as the Kirghiz, that one could use as a reference.

Finally, despite the fact that I praise the author’s utilization of a wide array of contemporary statistical genetic methods,one can’t just do away with a thick and sturdy historical framework and reasonable questions derived from this superstructure. The historical models tested in this paper are moderately inscrutable to me (e.g., the “Rhineland hypothesis”). As others have noted there is a peculiar lacunae in regards to models of ethnogenesis during Roman antiquity, even though other lines of historical and genetic evidence do point in that direction. Instead, the author concocts a scenario of a mass migration after the Muslim conquest from the Middle East into Europe. To my knowledge Europe after the fall of Rome was not taking in the huddled Hebrew masses (though it was taking in some Middle Eastern Christians). But perhaps I haven’t read the proper books on this issue. In some ways to me this paper screams of the problem with taking a mass of data and using legitimate methods, and coming out with very specific results because of the way the parameters are set. In this case the parameters happen to be two contrasting models, and a neglect of other alternatives. This is unfortunately one of the primary problems with “hypothesis driven research” in the age of big data.

Overall I still commend the author for putting this up on arXiv. I hope this sort of feedback will result in some revision, and we’ll get a better handle on what’s going on here.

* Though the majority of Arab non-Muslims are Arabicized (ergo, some of them still reject Arab identity despite the usage of Arabic as their day to day language), a minority may date to Arab Christian populations which were numerous on the fringes of the Roman and Persian Empires by 600.

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The Myth of Khazaria 28 Sep 2014 15:03 #35

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KKK stands for Kosher Kosher Kosher doesn't it?

I mean no one can be more racially white supremacist than the illegal Jewish state of Israel.

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Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Thanks for telling me to get lost.
No need to be this impolite with me.
I thought you were a decent man ; well I guess not.
I will have a look at that video.

To be honest Cinta maybe my language was a bit harsh? So I shall apologise for my use of words there. But I've been on forums like this long enough to know what happens and how threads get derailed. The thread is not about Dr. Duke, it's about the Khazar Theory. The only relevance Duke has is that his article is the OP, but the thread is about the article and not Duke. If you want to discuss David Duke, open a thread about him. This thread is for the Khazar Theory. It's not for discussing the KKK or David Duke's involvement in it.

If you continue with posting about Duke or the KKK in this thread then I shall ignore you.

Interesting video.
Mainly though about Jewish domination of our society;I understand and in a way
also acknowledge that.
But I think it is wrong to become and anti semite and prosecute them just
because of the Talmudic background,or that the Jews are having so much
controll over this world.
Like in the Talmud,there have been many more religions in this world that
have practised immorality,
The Jews as a people are not God's people anymore because they abide
to the old laws and have rejected Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
Hosea 1:9 :
''Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I
will not be your God.''
Hosea 1:6:
''Gomer conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. Then the Lord said to
Hosea, “Call her Lo-Ruhamah (which means “not loved”), for I will no longer
show love to Israel, that I should at all forgive them.''
The Jews are called a ''stiff-necked people in the bible.
Isaiah 48:4 :
''Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew,
and thy brow brass;''
Acts 7:51:
"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised.
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!''
But there will come a time when they will see Jesus Christ in all His glory
and then they ask ask about the wounds he has on his hands and feet and
then obey God again.
Zechariah 13:6:
''And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands?
Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.''
Revelation 1:7 :
''Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which
pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.''
Untill that moment comes the Jews are seen methaphorically as a woman a
prostitute who is without, and abandonned her Man ; Jesus Christ.

Who are we to judge ?
We are all sinners.
Ecclesiastes 7:20:
''Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is
right and never sins.''
1 Timothy 2 :4,5,6
''for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. 5 For there is
only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people.
He is the man Christ Jesus. 6 He gave his life to purchase freedom for everyone.
This is the message that God gave to the world at the proper time.''

I think we need to have compassion as Christians because God is compassionate too;
one day He will gather his other flock the Jews that accepted Christ as their Saviour
in their hearts and then we will all be brothers and sisters in the Kingdom of our Lord.
Ephesians 4:32 -:
''And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as
God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.''
Galatians 5:22-23 :
''But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,''

God is still lenient for all the peoples in this world that reject Christ as their Saviour.
Our choices seal our fate.

Jews were not persecuted because of their religious beliefs. They were persecuted for their behaviour in their host countries. Jews need to be strictly monitored, or else they will gain the upper-hand and start dominating and exploiting the world like they do now. Of course not all Jews are evil, many of them are innocent and know nothing of such things, but it's an indisputable fact that the Jewish component of the New World Order is very large, very large indeed...

Anyway, I agree about the Old Covenant being superceded by the New Covenant. The Jews blew it, they should have embraced Jesus Christ instead of crucifying him. But they can still be saved, by rejecting their desolate and dried-up faith and embracing Christ.

The Babylonian Talmud is YOUNGER than Christianity. It contains extremely blasphemous and hateful views on Jesus Christ and Christians in general. Did you know that it is illegal to mention Jesus Christ's name in Israeli schools? Did you know that many of the poor Palestinians the Israelis bomb, maim and kill are Orthodox Christians? Islam, on the other hand, welcomes Jesus as a prophet and the Qu'ran defends Jesus against the Talmud's vilification. So, why are so-called Christians supporting the Christ-killers over Muslims? "Judeo-Christianity" is a myth. Islam is much closer to Christianity than Judaism is. And I'm no fan of Islam.
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Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Seaic wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Thanks for telling me to get lost.
No need to be this impolite with me.
I thought you were a decent man ; well I guess not.
I will have a look at that video.

To be honest Cinta maybe my language was a bit harsh? So I shall apologise for my use of words there. But I've been on forums like this long enough to know what happens and how threads get derailed. The thread is not about Dr. Duke, it's about the Khazar Theory. The only relevance Duke has is that his article is the OP, but the thread is about the article and not Duke. If you want to discuss David Duke, open a thread about him. This thread is for the Khazar Theory. It's not for discussing the KKK or David Duke's involvement in it.

If you continue with posting about Duke or the KKK in this thread then I shall ignore you.

Interesting video.
Mainly though about Jewish domination of our society;I understand and in a way
also acknowledge that.
But I think it is wrong to become and anti semite and prosecute them just
because of the Talmudic background,or that the Jews are having so much
controll over this world.
Like in the Talmud,there have been many more religions in this world that
have practised immorality,
The Jews as a people are not God's people anymore because they abide
to the old laws and have rejected Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
Hosea 1:9 :
''Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I
will not be your God.''
Hosea 1:6:
''Gomer conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. Then the Lord said to
Hosea, “Call her Lo-Ruhamah (which means “not loved”), for I will no longer
show love to Israel, that I should at all forgive them.''
The Jews are called a ''stiff-necked people in the bible.
Isaiah 48:4 :
''Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew,
and thy brow brass;''
Acts 7:51:
"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised.
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!''
But there will come a time when they will see Jesus Christ in all His glory
and then they ask ask about the wounds he has on his hands and feet and
then obey God again.
Zechariah 13:6:
''And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands?
Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.''
Revelation 1:7 :
''Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which
pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.''
Untill that moment comes the Jews are seen methaphorically as a woman a
prostitute who is without, and abandonned her Man ; Jesus Christ.

Who are we to judge ?
We are all sinners.
Ecclesiastes 7:20:
''Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is
right and never sins.''
1 Timothy 2 :4,5,6
''for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. 5 For there is
only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people.
He is the man Christ Jesus. 6 He gave his life to purchase freedom for everyone.
This is the message that God gave to the world at the proper time.''

I think we need to have compassion as Christians because God is compassionate too;
one day He will gather his other flock the Jews that accepted Christ as their Saviour
in their hearts and then we will all be brothers and sisters in the Kingdom of our Lord.
Ephesians 4:32 -:
''And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as
God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.''
Galatians 5:22-23 :
''But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,''

God is still lenient for all the peoples in this world that reject Christ as their Saviour.
Our choices seal our fate.

Jews were not persecuted because of their religious beliefs. They were persecuted for their behaviour in their host countries. Jews need to be strictly monitored, or else they will gain the upper-hand and start dominating and exploiting the world like they do now. Of course not all Jews are evil, many of them are innocent and know nothing of such things, but it's an indisputable fact that the Jewish component of the New World Order is very large, very large indeed...

Anyway, I agree about the Old Covenant being superceded by the New Covenant. The Jews blew it, they should have embraced Jesus Christ instead of crucifying him. But they can still be saved, by rejecting their desolate and dried-up faith and embracing Christ.

The Babylonian Talmud is YOUNGER than Christianity. It contains extremely blasphemous and hateful views on Jesus Christ and Christians in general. Did you know that it is illegal to mention Jesus Christ's name in Israeli schools? Did you know that many of the poor Palestinians the Israelis bomb, maim and kill are Orthodox Christians? Islam, on the other hand, welcomes Jesus as a prophet and the Qu'ran defends Jesus against the Talmud's vilification. So, why are so-called Christians supporting the Christ-killers over Muslims? "Judeo-Christianity" is a myth. Islam is much closer to Christianity than Judaism is. And I'm no fan of Islam.

Thank you

I was aware that the Talmud contains blasphemous and hateful views on Jesus Christ
and Christians in general,but I didn't know that it is illegal to mention Jesus Christ's
name in Israeli schools.
Like you I am also not a fan of Islam;the Quran commands to kill infidels"
''On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
''Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they
drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191''

''O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other.
Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an
unjust people. - 5:54''

''When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide
slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or
ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off
their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.''

''The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever
in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51''

''And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah
is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of
those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! -9.30''

''When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those
who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. -8.12

There is a lot more in the Hadith,but I am already off topic now ;excuse me Sir.
This kind of disgusting and disrespectful behaviour is condoned here

ORANGEAID verbal abuse

''Cinta is a whore.
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The Myth of Khazaria 28 Sep 2014 22:31 #38

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There is a lot more in the Hadith,but I am already off topic now ;excuse me Sir.

Islam is very much related to Jews ways. Both are mainly OT followers........

Again its all just a word game because its not about Islam or Jewish as such.

Its about what individuals or groups of people are doing.
Someone said it; they not prosecuted because of what they following but what they are doing. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Now go to the last and final step.................. understand what Jesus really means.
Then you will understand the entire thing with no more confusion.

Islam or Jewish or Christians ............. all the same thing.
All are the same liars. All don't understand the real critical point; to make the reality shift.

Which so called Christians truly understands what Jesus truly stands for?
If they would they would not say Jesus is god.

Some of the Jews know what Jesus really means........... but they can not change & automatically hate the Jesus meaning because there silence & secret keeping about what Jesus truly means is there own downfall.

It is so simple but so hard for any liar to give up his lies towards himself.
As long you can not jump over your own shadow of your own lies you will never be part of truth.
This counts for all Religious & non Religious people.

Jesus is not a Religion & never was. The Jesus image is part of the overall process & is just a small part but most critical part of all Religion stories ...... yes & that's how far the Jesus image goes.
(Its the Gate way, the Gate in, the Key Stone to move on with the building up yourself!)
The rest has nothing to do with any religion; but everything to do with what your are doing on an individual base.

The day you all click & understand what Jesus truly stands for; you will know what I just said here.
Then you will know why many don't like Islamic people & you will know why so many Jewish people are disliked & also others.

No one gets to the Truth except through me. ......... Learn what the through means. Learn what the truth represents.

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''When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide
slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or
ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4

(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off
their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.''

This is exactly it! .......... 1 + 1 = 2
because the people do not understand the true meaning what the text says & points to in reality.

How could this text possibly talk about killing anyone having this quote within "then set them free,"
Impossible for a normal logical mindset to see it any different!
Did anyone ever seen a physical dead man walking free again????? Did you Muslims, did you Fiat-Jew mindsets?? :facepalm: :iitm:

Its all a mental Spiritual War & not a freaking physical primitive man thinking ways War! :noway: >>> Dumb asses!! >> truly!! :facepalm: :thdown:

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, the half makers which are the liars, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

That's why so many Muslims & Jewish are so similar in there ways also includes Christians & others with the same dumb primitive mindsets;
because of there primitive ways of thinking, seeing & reading out strange totally illogical things coming from the wise Forefathers writings!

Let me try......

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Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars;

Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine




Fast-breaking Developments

Followers of Middle Eastern affairs know two things: always expect the unexpected, and never write off Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who has more political lives than the proverbial cat.

Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them at least temporarily to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled.

A Warlike Turkic People—and a Mystery

It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews.


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The Khazar Empire, from M. J-H. Schnitzler’s map of The Empire of
Charlemagne and that of the Arabs, (Strasbourg, 1857)



Arabs have long cited the Khazar hypothesis in attempts to deny a Jewish historical claim to the land of Israel. During the UN debate over Palestine Partition, Chaim Weizmann responded, sarcastically: “lt is very strange. All my life I have been a Jew, felt like a Jew, and I now learn that I am a Khazar.” In a more folksy vein, Prime Minister Golda Meir famously said: “Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak.”


a warlike people: Khazar battle axe, c. 7th-9th centuries


Contrarian Hungarian ex-communist and scientist Arthur Koestler brought the Khazar hypothesis to a wider audience with The Thirteenth Tribe (1976), in the hope that disproving a common Jewish “racial” identity would end antisemitism. Clearly, that hope has not been fulfilled. Most recently, left-wing Israeli historian Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People took Koestler’s thesis in a direction he had not intended, arguing that because Jews were a religious community descended from converts they do not constitute a nation or need a state of their own. Scientists, however, dismissed the Khazar hypothesis because the genetic evidence did not add up. Until now. In 2012, Israeli researcher Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool. Sand declared himself vindicated, and progressive organs such as Haaretz and The Forward trumpeted the results.

Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars. (Whether this would result in yet another proposal to revise the words to “Hatikvah” remains to be seen.) At first sight, this would seem to be the worst possible news, given the Prime Minister’s relentless insistence on the need for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish state” and the stagnation of the peace talks. But others have underestimated him at their peril. An aide quipped, when life hands you an etrog, you build a sukkah.

Speaking off the record, he explained, “We first thought that admitting we are really Khazars was one way to get around Abbas’s insistence that no Jew can remain in a Palestinian state. Maybe we were grasping at straws. But when he refused to accept that, it forced us to think about more creative solutions. The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut [disengagement].


"We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical."


Speaking on deep background, a well-placed source in intelligence circles said: “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical. The press as usual exaggerates and sensationalizes; this is why we need military censorship.”

Khazaria 2.0?

All Jews who wish to return would be welcomed back without condition as citizens, the more so if they take part in the promised infusion of massive Israeli military assistance, including troops, equipment, and construction of new bases. If the initial transfer works, other West Bank settlers would be encouraged to relocate to Ukraine, as well. After Ukraine, bolstered by this support, reestablishes control over all its territory, the current Autonomous Republic of Crimea would once again become an autonomous Jewish domain. The small-scale successor to the medieval empire of Khazaria (as the peninsula, too, was once known) would be called, in Yiddish, Chazerai.

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the Khazar Empire, map of Europe in the Age of Charles the Great, from
Karl von Spruner, _Historisch-geographischer Hand-Atlas_ (Gotha, 1854)


"the Khazars did not have to live within ‘Auschwitz borders.’”

“As you know,” the spokesman continued, “the Prime Minister has said time and again: we are a proud and ancient people whose history here goes back 4,000 years. The same is true of the Khazars: just back in Europe and not quite as long. But look at the map: the Khazars did not have to live within ‘Auschwitz borders.’”


no “Auschwitz borders”: the great extent of the Khazar Empire (pink, at right) is readily
apparent in this map of Europe circa 800, by Monin (Paris, 1841). Compare with
Charlemagne’s empire (pink, at left)


“As the Prime Minister has said, no one will tell Jews where they may or may not live on the historic territory of their existence as a sovereign people. He is willing to make painful sacrifices for peace, even if that means giving up part of our biblical homeland in Judea and Samaria. But then you have to expect us to exercise our historical rights somewhere else. We decided this will be on the shores of the Black Sea, where we were an autochthonous people for more than 2000 years. Even the great non-Zionist historian Simon Dubnow said we had the right to colonize Crimea. It’s in all the history books. You can look it up.”


Old-New Land?

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Black Sea, showing Khazar presence in Crimea and coastal regions:
Rigobert Bonne, Imperii Romani Distracta. Pars Orientalis, (Paris, 1780).
Note Ukraine and Kiev at upper left. At right: Caspian Sea, also labeled,
as was the custom, as the Khazar Sea


“We’d like to think of it as sort of a homeland-away-from-home,” added the anonymous intelligence source. “Or the original one,” he said with a wink. “After all, Herzl wrote about the Old-New Land, didn’t he? And the transition shouldn’t be too difficult for the settlers because, you know, they’ll still get to feel as if they are pioneers: experience danger, construct new housing, carry weapons. The women can continue to wear scarves on their heads, and the food won’t be very different from what they already eat.”

In retrospect, we should have seen this coming, said a venerable State Department Arabist, ticking off the signs on his fingers: a little-noticed report that Russia was cracking down on Israeli smuggling of Khazar artifacts, the decisions of both Spain and Portugal to give citizenship to descendants of their expelled Jews, as well as evidence that former IDF soldiers were already leading militias in support of the Ukrainian government. And now, also maybe the possibility that the missing Malaysian jet was diverted to Central Asia.

A veteran Middle East journalist said: “It’s problematic, but in a perverse way, brilliant. In one fell swoop, Bibi has managed to confound friend and foe alike. He’s put the ball back in the Palestinians’ court and relieved the pressure from the Americans without actually making any real concessions. Meanwhile, by lining up with the Syrian rebels and Ukraine, as well as Georgia and Azerbaijan, he compensates for the loss of the Turkish alliance and puts pressure on both Assad and Iran. And the new Cypriot-Israeli gas deal props up Ukraine and weakens the economic leverage of both the Russians and the Gulf oil states. Just brilliant.”

Reactions from around the world

Given the confluence of the weekend and the Purim and Saint Patrick’s Day holidays, reporters scrambled to get responses. Reactions from around the world trickled in.

• Members of the YESHA Council of settlers, some of them evidently the worse for wear after too much festival slivovitz, were caught completely off-guard. Always wary of Netanyahu, whom they regard as a slick opportunist rather than reliable ideological ally, they refused to comment until they had further assessed the situation.

Most of the hastily offered reactions fell into the predictable categories.

• Right-wing antisemitic groups pounced on the story as vindication of their conspiracy theories, claiming that this was the culmination of the Jews’ centuries-old plan to avenge the defeat of Khazaria by the Russians in the Middle Ages, a reprise of Israel’s support for Georgia in 2008. “Jews have memories as long as their noses,” one declared.


a continuum of conquest and cruelty?


• From Ramallah, a Fatah spokesman said the offer was a start but did not go nearly far enough toward satisfying Palestinian demands. Holding up an image of a Khazar warrior from an archaeological artifact, he explained:

There is a continuum of conquest and cruelty. It’s very simple, genetics does not lie. We see the results today: the Zionist regime and brutal Occupation Forces are descended from warlike barbarians. Palestinians are descended from peaceful pastoralists, in fact, from the ancient Israelites that you have falsely claimed as your ancestors. By the way, it is not true, however, that your ancestors ever had a temple in Jerusalem.


Then: Khazarian barbarian. Warrior with prisoner, image from archaeological object.
[source: Wikimedia Commons]

Now: Israeli border policeman with Palestinian protester
[source: Amnesty International]


• The famously reliable unofficial intelligence website DAFTKAfile admitted:

Boy, are our faces red. We were caught flat-footed and thought that the return to Spain and Portugal was the real story. Obviously, that was an impeccably planned and clever feint to distract attention from the coming revolution in Ukraine. Nicely played, Mossad.

• Prolific blogger Richard Sliverstein, whose knowledge of Jewish culture and uncanny ability to ferret out military secrets regularly provoke astonishment even among his critics, commented:

Frankly, I’m surprised that my Mossad sources did not get this story to me first. But I’ve been up against a deadline for an essay on the kabbalistic significance of sesame seeds, the main ingredient in hummus, so I haven’t caught up on my email. But, do I feel vindicated? Well, yes, but it’s scant satisfaction. I’ve been saying for years that the Jews are descended from Mongol-Tatar Khazars, but it has barely made a dent in the propaganda armor of these Zionist hasbaroid dolts.

• An official of a leading human-rights NGO said:

Evacuating illegal settlements must be a part of any peace deal, but first forcing settlers to leave Palestine and then resettling them in Ukraine may be a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. We’ll see what the ICC has to say about this. And if they think they can be even more trigger-happy in Ukraine than the West Bank, they have another thing coming.

• Ultra-Ultra-Orthodox spokesman Menuchem Yontef (formerly of Inowraclaw) welcomed the news:

We reject the Zionist state, which is illegitimate until Mashiach comes. We don’t care where we live as long as we can study the Torah and obey its commandments in full. However, we refuse to serve in the military there as well as here. And—we also want subsidies. That is G-d’s will.

• The spokeswoman for a delegation of Episcopalian peace activists, reached after the Christ at the Checkpoint conference in Bethlehem, said, with tears in her eyes:

We applaud this consistency of principle. If only all Jews would think like Menuchem Yontef—in fact, I’d like to call them “Menuchem Yontef Jews”: “M. Y. Jews,” for short—then antisemitism would disappear and members of all three Abrahamic faiths would again live together peacefully here as they did before the advent of Zionism. The nation-state is a relic of the nineteenth century, which has caused untold suffering. The most urgent task for world peace is the immediate creation of a free and sovereign Palestine.

• Noted academic and theorist Judith Buntler mused:

It may seem like a paradox to establish alterity or ‘interruption’ at the heart of ethical relations. But to know that we have first to consider what such terms mean. One might argue that the distinctive trait of Khazarian identity is that it is interrupted by alterity, that the relation to the gentile defines not only its diasporic situation, but one of its most fundamental ethical relations. Although such a statement may well be true (meaning that it belongs to a set of statements that are true), it manages to reserve alterity as a predicate of a prior subject. The relation to alterity becomes one predicate of ‘being Khazarian.’ It is quite another thing to understand that very relationship as challenging the idea of ‘Khazarian’ as a static sort of being, one that is adequately described as a subject. . . . coexistence projects can only begin with the dismantling of political Zionism.


not the “two-state solution” they expected?


• Anti-Israel BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) leader Ali Abubinomial put it more simply. Pounding his desk, he fumed, “So, Israel and Khazaria? This is what the Zionists mean by a ‘two-state solution’?! Do the math! Has no one read my book?”

• Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) called an emergency meeting to establish ties with the Pecheneg Liberation Organization (PLO), saying, “Pechenegs should not pay the price for European antisemitism.” The new solidarity group, “Students for Pechenegs in Ukraine” (SPUK), proclaimed as its motto: “From the Black to the Caspian Sea, We’re Gonna Find Somebody to Free!”

• For his part, peace activist and former East Jerusalem administrator Myron Benvenuti responded with equanimity: “I’ve got nothing to worry about: I’m Sephardic and my family has lived here for centuries. Anyway, if I have to go somewhere else, it’s going to be Spain, not Ukraine: more sunshine, less gunfire.”

The consensus of the broad majority of “Middle Israel,” which feels that Netanyahu is not doing enough for peace but also questions the sincerity of the Palestinians, is skeptical and despairing. One woman said, in frustration: We all long for an agreement but just cannot see how to achieve it. For now, all we can see is this Chazerai.

* * *

Update March 17:

Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.


Many links in the original article => blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/




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