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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 02:15 #1941

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Sure they wanted jews out of lands under German control. Heavy-handed yes. You have yet to provide evidence of a methodical extermination policy

They could just have prohibited then from holding high office or positions of influence. But since the elite jews had declared a war on Germany in 1933, well you surely see what the consequences would be once war broke out in 1939. (please consider the action taken by the USA and UK with respect to people regarded as enemy aliens - they detained them)

The Germans paid the inmates for their labour.

The Brits and americans did not use their inmates for labour afaik.

Waitng for evidence for a desire to kill jews for being jews


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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 02:33 #1942

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I don't believe the various types of camps were set up to protect or move Jews away from the firebombing or the terror bombing of German cities. It's certainly safe to say though they knew Jews were moving out of German cities en masse, but I don't think this was a deliberate plan or set up as a prelude to the devastating allied bombing campaign. I've no doubts it was a major factor in their decision to do so though. Many people did also die in these camps for various different reasons remember, mainly from disease or malnutrition, due to supplies being cut off towards the end of the war (because of the Allied bombing campaign). Though nobody seems to know the real number of deaths in these camps? If they were a ploy or deliberate set up to protect or save Jews from the bombing campaign or from any pending danger, as you are suggesting, then they appear to have done a lousy job of doing so..

My point obviously being I don't think the National Socialists were in on some secret plot to kill their own people while saving the Jews. Which is what you seem to be suggesting? Or am I mistaken?


I don't think Rodin meant to imply that the jews were intentionally being protected but I do think the camps were safer in as much as they were never targeted.
The Red Cross puts the overall death count at about 263,000 - primarily due to disease and malnutrition in those last months of the war .




To Gaia -
Adding to Zorros' reasons for the camps - the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933 - I'd say right there is a totally adequate reason for them being considered the enemy .
Due to jews being transported to Germany during the war their numbers were actually HIGHER at the end of the war than BEFORE.
Have you looked into the facilities that were available to Jews in many camps, - Sports -swimming pools, the Arts ( plays and orchestra's ) , Kitchens, Clinics, Crech's, camp Script and Jewish women willingly plying their 'trade'........Hitler took deliberate steps to keep brutality under wraps and soldiers were convicted for doing so.
It's you who needs to learn some facts - looks like the brainwashing has pretty much stuck with you .
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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 04:47 #1943

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Sure they wanted jews out of lands under German control. Heavy-handed yes. You have yet to provide evidence of a methodical extermination policy

They could just have prohibited then from holding high office or positions of influence. But since the elite jews had declared a war on Germany in 1933, well you surely see what the consequences would be once war broke out in 1939. (please consider the action taken by the USA and UK with respect to people regarded as enemy aliens - they detained them)

The Germans paid the inmates for their labour.

The Brits and americans did not use their inmates for labour afaik

Waitng for evidence for a desire to kill jews for being jews

That the allied powers performed sick and immoral actions that are not talked about in the history books, educational system and media is true. But two wrongs don't make one right. The firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg and other German cities were atrocities of war.

But imagine Bernt Back from Bremen and Clara Cohen from Charleroi. Clara got kidnapped and put to die (due to starvation, disease, whatever) and Bernt got firebombed. My sympathy lies with both innocent individual people and my antipathy is directed to both forces that killed them.

However, what I see is that people suddenly start defending one filthy regime while rightly critisicing the other.

That piece that "Judea" (that didn't exist) "declared war" on Germany is a non sequitur.

If Hitler had a problem with Zionist banksters, Freemasons or other creepy crooky clowns, then the proper response is to direct your anger and attacks exclusively towards the responsibles.

It makes just as little sense to bomb Bernt to God as punishment for the nazi regime as to kidnap and let die Clara for the misbehaviour of Zionist banksters. Nor Bernt nor Clara have any responsinility for the actions of the regimes they unwillingly are made part of.

The war may have "officially" started September 1st 1939, but the nazis already participated in bombing the poor Basques of Guernica years before.

Asking for a document for mass extermination is just as senseless as asking for a document of slavery. It existed, no matter there was no document outlining the strategy.

And you may have lost the human perspective but I find kidnapping people who you let die under horrible conditions pretty massive and rather exteeminating.

That the Official Holocaust Story is bogus does not make the nazis suddenly the only "nice, noble regime" amidst criminals as Stalin, Truman and Churchill...
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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 05:05 #1944

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Lizzy wrote:

To Gaia -
Adding to Zorros' reasons for the camps - the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933 - I'd say right there is a totally adequate reason for them being considered the enemy .
1 - there is no such thing as "the jews". You are painting the diverse collection of people from various cultures and countries as one where there isn't. Individuals can declare war, not collectives who only share an imagined (watch Shlomo Sand) "race"
2 - like I said to Voltaire; it makes no sense to punish Clara for the misbehaviour of the Zionist banksters or other powerful people. If you think it does it means PFIZIPFEI may be rightly attacked and put in a camp to starve for the actions of Angela Merkel. A ridiculous idea
3 - falling for this propaganda is exactly what I object to. Suddenly all human respect is lost because they were (hardworking, innocent) jews. If you say antisemitism had no part in the nazi ideology, then it can't be both ways.

What I've shown in my first post is that those World Almanac numbers are unreliable and thus cannot be a source for the number of jews in the world. The Red Cross figures are minimum counts (they didn't have 100% access and control) and those holiday camp stories are cherrypicking otherwise unreliable witness accounts.

Brainwashed souls defend and find comfort in silly stories (some of Spicy Spielberg, others of Noble Nazis). What I am doing is trying to unravel the truth by recognising both stories as the propaganda they are. A consistent view, no selective partially blind eye.
Due to jews being transported to Germany during the war their numbers were actually HIGHER at the end of the war than BEFORE.
Have you looked into the facilities that were available to Jews in many camps, - Sports -swimming pools, the Arts ( plays and orchestra's ) , Kitchens, Clinics, Crech's, camp Script and Jewish women willingly plying their 'trade'........Hitler took deliberate steps to keep brutality under wraps and soldiers were convicted for doing so.
It's you who needs to learn some facts - looks like the brainwashing has pretty much stuck with you .
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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 08:01 #1945

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Isn’t it incredible the level of conditioning amongst those around us? The obvious barometer of conditioning is the holofraud. We all believed this fairytale at one time, like we believed in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy; but then we grew up.

We dared to stand back, take an objective look at the overwhelming evidence, and it was a no-brainer. We had faced the hard Truth. How could one not see this was a hoax? Especially when we know we’ve been lied to about everything else in our lives. That this whole charade was built on nothing but kosher deception, trickery by playing on our emotions.

But these deniers of Truth will continue to repeat, repeat, repeat this ridiculous narrative.

If these Truth deniers were to attend a week’s seminar where they were presented with a plethora of outstanding evidence, outright proofing this was a huge hoax. With eminent scholars of Truth – INDEPENDENT historians, INDEPENDENT researchers, INDEPENDENT scientists, INDEPENDENT freethinkers, Genuine German witnesses proving these were containment/work camps, etc.

These deniers would still come out of this seminar a week later in denial mode, repeating their mantra “The poor Jews and how they suffered like no other.”

Of course when I present this scenario to these blue pill repeaters and bias thinkers, they argue: “Yes, but it’s the same for you holocaust deniers, it would be the same if you attended our Shoah Foundation seminar and we took you to visit Auschwitz, etc.”

Well of course we would you idiots – because the distinctive difference between your seminar and ours; is ours would be INDEPENDENT information, not Jewish propaganda. Not more lies from the original liars. Why would we source information from the exact people we are accusing of fabricating this hoax in the first place??

Anyway, the mere fact that such a seminar would be banned in x amount of countries, surely has to ring alarm bells. Why would they want the Truth banned and curbed? Its obvious, because they know that once this lynchpin is knocked out of place, their whole pack of lies and global shenanigans will be exposed.

Anyone who cannot see this outright ban on questioning this lie; that alone being very dubious, then they are proving their stupidity, hypnosis or kosher bias.

But you will never be able to penetrate these people’s programming. Nobody can undo their hypnosis. The hypnosis which they themselves CHOOSE to self perpetuate through their constant repeating. Comfortable Truth is their only Truth. Weak, cowardly judaified individuals. Loaded with their programming, conditioning; comatised and propagandised up to the hilt. No hope for them.

Their starch potatoes will always be sweet apples to them and no amount of reason, logic, INDEPENDENT evidence, detailed indisputable facts and hard Truth will ever get these spudheads to see the Truth.

You could present them with the Oxford dictionary clearly explaining what a potato is and what an apple is. You could have experts from the potato and apple industries presenting information on these two different pieces of food. You could take these deniers to a cider farm, and a potato farm so they could experience the differences.

Yet, these damaged individuals will still retort that their precious potatoes are apples. And continue to bleat out “You Neo-Apple. You want to burn all potatoes in a mass potato holocaust. Evil filthy anti-spudite.”

But beyond any satire we can use to expose these repeaters, we have to acknowledge that these people are seriously dangerous in our society. Because by repeating the lie of the holohoax, one is supporting evil. One is protecting these evil tyrants, giving them a buffer to carry on with their plethora of evil. By singing the holohoax tune, these people are indirectly assisting the destruction of their lives and their family’s lives.

This means more innocent children becoming amputees. This means more unnecessary starvation across the globe. This means more decimation of people’s lands. This means more people prematurely dying of cancers and unpleasant diseases. This means more pollution of mother earth. This means more suffering in our day-to-day lives.

Shame on you, you repeaters of this lie.
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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 08:09 #1946

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Please explain when you say there is no such thing as Jews. Many individuals (that can make up a majority or not) of the same 'collective' can decide to go to war against another tribe, clan, country etc.. that does not mean that every person of the tribe wants a war or wants to take part in it.

When it comes to WW2 there is a lot of blame to go around and the responsibility goes back many years to even before WW1 when a series of events started that are all connected, a sick chain of events that effected millions of lives (17 million people killed in WW1 with millions injured and approx. 60 million killed in WW2).

Included in that long chain of events that spanned a long period time, were horrific decisions made by the leadership of several countries, decisions that cost approximately 77 million people's lives and that does not even include the death toll of the Bolshevik Revolution (20 million??).

Included in those figures of WW2 was the rounding up (kidnapping as you call it) of Jews as well as others (probably approximately 100,00 people??) who were deemed as threats or asocials who ended up dying tragically of typhus, disease, starvation, I have little doubt there were executions as well that took place, as it did on all sides. I don't think that is to be downplayed, they were each individual souls with their own individual life stories and life spirit, as were all who died of in this terrible war of course.

There have been so many millions of deaths ignored, the approximately 100 million people who have bee murdered in the last century alone under communism for example, as if their deaths don't matter. And there has been so much emphasis and propaganda about the six million Jews who never died in the gas chambers and then of course the 'holocaust' industry....so many billions of dollars in reparations that have been paid and are still being paid for the 'holocaust victims'... that don't exist.... the money has been going to Jewish organizations... and still is 70 years later..

The German people have been absolutely vilified for the last 70 years about what decades of people have believed their actions were, much of that history having been revised by the victors.They are still being vilified, in movies, articles etc..

Just today I was reading that the Germans have a duty to take in migrants to 'make up for what they did' in WW2. It never stops.

Communism (Jewish) was a very real threat and the resentment against Jewish people was real for reasons that actually make sense when you think about how they were screwed over royally in WW1, by the Versailles Treaty (Jewish manipulation), thousand starving, impoverished, unemployed, their country broken up into bits, having to pay trillions in todays money value in reparations because they were blamed for WW1 which was unjustified, the Balfour Declaration (Rothschild), the Jewish backstab promise of bringing America into the war in return for Palestine, the pawn shops, Germans having to sell everything they had to the pawn shop owners in order to survive and the pawn shop owners were Jewish etc..

I also think of the ... German Jews... who were not part of the movers and shakers, self identified as Germans because they were Germans, some had fought and died for Germany in WW1.



DIE JUDISCHEN GEFALLENEN

A Roll of Honor Commemorating the 12,000 German Jews
Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.

Die Judischen Gefallenen, The Jewish Roll of Honor, was published by The Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans in 1932, under the direction of Dr. Leo Lowenstein, Captain of the Reserves, Retired.

www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.php

I think now about the German Jewish Combat Veterans of WW1 and their families and how it would have been for them living through WW2.

It seems difficult to find the Nuremburg Laws and Jewish Decrees from the 1933-39 time period other than from Jewish websites such as the kind I don't like to post from like the Holocaust Encyclopedia.

There is German website but I can't get my translator to work so I will try again later to see if it has the information on the Jewish Decrees I am trying to find. Here is the link..www.ns-quellen.at/gesetz_anzeigen_detail.php?gesetz_id=34010&action=B_Read

In the meantime though..

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Government at every level—Reich, state and municipal—adopted hundreds of laws, decrees, directives, guidelines, and regulations that increasingly restricted the civil and human rights of the Jews in Germany.

Here are examples of anti-Jewish legislation in Nazi Germany, 1933–1939:

1933

March 31
Decree of the Berlin city commissioner for health suspends Jewish doctors from the city’s charity services.

April 7
Law for the Reestablishment of the Professional Civil Service removes Jews from government service.

April 7
Law on the Admission to the Legal Profession forbids the admission of Jews to the bar.

April 25
Law against Overcrowding in Schools and Universities limits the number of Jewish students in public schools.

July 14
De-Naturalization Law revokes the citizenship of naturalized Jews and “undesirables.”

October 4
Law on Editors bans Jews from editorial posts.

1935

May 21
Army law expels Jewish officers from the army.

September 15
Nazi leaders announce the Nuremberg Laws.

1936

January 11
Executive Order on the Reich Tax Law forbids Jews to serve as tax-consultants.

April 3
Reich Veterinarians Law expels Jews from the veterinary profession.

October 15
Reich Ministry of Education bans Jewish teachers from public schools.

1937

April 9
The Mayor of Berlin orders public schools not to admit Jewish children until further notice.

1938

January 5
Law on the Alteration of Family and Personal Names forbids Jews from changing their names.

February 5
Law on the Profession of Auctioneer excludes Jews from this occupation.

March 18
The Gun Law excludes Jewish gun merchants.

April 22
Decree against the Camouflage of Jewish Firms forbids changing the names of Jewish-owned businesses.

April 26
Order for the Disclosure of Jewish Assets requires Jews to report all property in excess of 5,000 reichsmarks.

July 11
Reich Ministry of the Interior bans Jews from health spas.

August 17
Executive Order on the Law on the Alteration of Family and Personal Names requires Jews to adopt an additional name: "Sara” for women and “Israel” for men.

October 3
Decree on the Confiscation of Jewish Property regulates the transfer of assets from Jews to non-Jewish Germans.

October 5
The Reich Interior Ministry invalidates all German passports held by Jews. Jews must surrender their old passports, which will become valid only after the letter “J” had been stamped on them.

November 12
Decree on the Exclusion of Jews from German Economic Life closes all Jewish-owned businesses.

November 15
Reich Ministry of Education expels all Jewish children from public schools.

November 28
Reich Ministry of Interior restricts the freedom of movement of Jews.

November 29
The Reich Interior Ministry forbids Jews to keep carrier pigeons.

December 14
An Executive Order on the Law on the Organization of National Work cancels all state contracts held with Jewish-owned firms.

December 21
Law on Midwives bans all Jews from the occupation.

1939

February 21
Decree Concerning the Surrender of Precious Metals and Stones in Jewish Ownership.

August 1
The President of the German Lottery forbids the sale of lottery tickets to Jews.

www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007459

1941

Jews no longer allowed to keep dogs, cats and birds

So in spite of the website source would those who have researched say that these are accurate examples of the decrees that were put in place in these time periods.

Some here seem to be saying that German Jews were not resented because they were Jews, that, some of them (150,000?) fought in WW2 etc it was only the socialist democrat, elites and communist agitating Jews they wanted out etc.. well others say that yes... they wanted all the Jews out of Germany but it cannot be both ways.
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The Holocaust 22 Feb 2016 10:58 #1947

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Zorro wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Voltaire wrote:
Cinta,

By posting that info, does this mean you have doubts about the official holocaust narrative?

Yes thats right Voltaire,but I have already expressed these doubts a few times here on TZ
After reading comments,and watching a few video's my eyes were opened
truth-zone.net/forum/government-and-authority/64344-the-holocaust.html?start=1780#176221

I don't believe anymore that there were 6 million people killed,or gassed simply because it's no possible,
I have not become a revisionist,and I do not agree with the motivation of The National Socialist regime
of depriving people from their freedom and putting them in camps simply because they did not qualify
as healthy Aryans,or the way Hitler has invaded neighbouring countries such as my own.


Well it's good you're open minded enough to doubt the so called ''Holocaust'', and to also admit you doubt it. Another thing to consider now is why many of these people were put in camps in the first place. It was mainly down to the spread of Communism throughout Europe, Communists were declared enemies of the state, and it's a fact Jews were well known for being Communist revolutionaries (often violent), they were over-represented in the Communist parties and as partisans. Remember too that not every camp was a labour camp either, some were transit camps, and set up as part of the transfer agreement to move Jews out of Germany. The so called ''Gas Chambers'' were delousing rooms, due to a severe typhus epidemic. Typhus is a severe and life threatening illness caused by the infection of the Rickettsia bacteria. The Rickettsia bacteria is carried by body lice, ticks, fleas and such. Cyclone B was the trade name of a cyanide-based pesticide, which was used to kill the ticks and mites which cause Typhus. Cyclone B was never used to gas anybody, neither is there any evidence that suggests so either. No extermination plan was ever found.That's because one never existed in the first place. Such a plot to kill so many people would need extensive planning. Most of the people in these camps died due to the intensive and extensive Allied bombing of Germany, which eventually brought Germany to a stand still. Medicine and food to the camps, and many other parts of Germany were completely cut off as a result



I'd like to add that from March 24, 1933 on, when the following occurred,
it was clear that they declared themselves ENEMIES OF THE GERMAN STATE:



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Source: pascasher.the-savoisien.com/2009/02/la-judee-declare-la-guerre-a-lallemagne.html


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Are you able to note the recurring pattern?
They start every war with economic boycotts.

Nonetheless, most Jews living in Germany were still allowed to publish their own papers,
work as lawyers, doctors, artists, merchants ... until the late thirties, early fourties.


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A complete rendering of all German laws1867- 1945 can be found here - it is in German -

alex.onb.ac.at/tab_dra.htm


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Please explain when you say there is no such thing as Jews. Many individuals (that can make up a majority or not) of the same 'collective' can decide to go to war against another tribe, clan, country etc.. that does not mean that every person of the tribe wants a war or wants to take part in it.

There is no such thing as jews, just like there is no such thing as "Americans" or "catholics" or "blacks". In the sense that "the X want...", "the X declare war..." etc. is an impossible wording.

It's just as ridiculous to say that "the Americans, the British etc. declared war on Afghanistan, Iraq in 2002/3". It was the regimes, the politicians, the power pepople, not the average Joe. Just like the average jew did have nothing to do with "a declaration of war" in 1933. Or that Germans today would carry any responsibility for the behaviour of Angela Merkel. Or that an average black person carries guilt for Obomba's tricks.

The "majority" is also irrelevant and here not even the case. There was no way the declarers of war could build upon a majority. There was no voting amongst the ~14 million jews of the time. And even then, in the case that 50.1 % of those would have agreed upon waging war with a country, that still does not make all of them collectively guilty.
When it comes to WW2 there is a lot of blame to go around and the responsibility goes back many years to even before WW1 when a series of events started that are all connected, a sick chain of events that effected millions of lives (17 million people killed in WW1 with millions injured and approx. 60 million killed in WW2).

Included in that long chain of events that spanned a long period time, were horrific decisions made by the leadership of several countries, decisions that cost approximately 77 million people's lives and that does not even include the death toll of the Bolshevik Revolution (20 million??).

Of course it was a horrible time with filthy regimes all around. But that is both not relevant for the individual citizens killed. To Anya Androvich from Ukraine it doesn't matter if millions of others also were killed. She was killed. It's not a contest of numbers, well, not for those who care for people. Only for psychopaths who cannot think in human lives, only in numbers.
Included in those figures of WW2 was the rounding up (kidnapping as you call it) of Jews as well as others (probably approximately 100,00 people??)

Where did you get the 100,000 figure from? Many families in the occupied countries were wiped out. The gas chamber story is of course flawed as has been proven multiple times. So the question remains; what happened to them?
who were deemed as threats or asocials who ended up dying tragically of typhus, disease, starvation, I have little doubt there were executions as well that took place, as it did on all sides. I don't think that is to be downplayed, they were each individual souls with their own individual life stories and life spirit, as were all who died of in this terrible war of course.

Yes, and by repeating "deemed threats" it hints to an approval of that. Those people were just normal hardworking people like you and me. There was no threat.

If next week 100,000s of muslims are deported from Europe because they are deemed a threat to Europe, it's equally bad. Or any other collective of people. With jews, blacks, Germans, Americans it's even worse; they didn't choose to form a collective. A religion is different but still doesn't justify generalisation of those people. A catholic priest abusing little boys does not justify a war/attack on an average catholic.
There have been so many millions of deaths ignored, the approximately 100 million people who have bee murdered in the last century alone under communism for example, as if their deaths don't matter.

Maybe to you or to others. My position is just: those lives ALSO matter. Like I said; my sympathy lies with the common man, not with the powers of all sides.
And there has been so much emphasis and propaganda about the six million Jews who never died in the gas chambers and then of course the 'holocaust' industry....so many billions of dollars in reparations that have been paid and are still being paid for the 'holocaust victims'... that don't exist.... the money has been going to Jewish organizations... and still is 70 years later..

That the holocaust industry is present, that the stories told are false, it's all basic stuff. We hopefully passed that station. It's a given and a horrible fact.

The next step in finding out what didhappen is to leave the Holocaust Story aside and focus on the things we can research. Your quote "holocaust victims do not exist" depend on what you define as holocaust. To me the kidnapping of all those people, putting them in camps and letting them die is a "holocaust"; a mass deportation and killing. Those people were not with their families anymore, so they are gone.
The German people have been absolutely vilified for the last 70 years about what decades of people have believed their actions were, much of that history having been revised by the victors.They are still being vilified, in movies, articles etc..

Also here the wording is important. The Germans are people from Germany. The nazis were people perpetrating the national-socialist agenda. The latter are painted horrible in movies but that's not the same as calling Germans bad people. That there are enough media mixing the two up does not mean that is right; it shows the either sloppy but rather intented grouping of the two.
Just today I was reading that the Germans have a duty to take in migrants to 'make up for what they did' in WW2. It never stops.

Yes, I've heard this before. But you don't call bullshit on that one? It's the mass media, politicians, "policy makers", the same crowd of psychos that were wrong in the first place. It's a ridiculous idea.

But what it does is what is done here too; the collective guilt card. If Germans need to make up for what "they" did in WW2, then jews can be collectivized as well for "what they did in declaring war to Germany in 1933".

Either you believe in collective guilt or you don't. I of course hail the last option, but you cannot just pick collective guilt for the jews and be against it for the Germans.
Communism (Jewish) was a very real threat and the resentment against Jewish people was real for reasons that actually make sense when you think about how they were screwed over royally in WW1, by the Versailles Treaty (Jewish manipulation), thousand starving, impoverished, unemployed, their country broken up into bits, having to pay trillions in todays money value in reparations because they were blamed for WW1 which was unjustified, the Balfour Declaration (Rothschild), the Jewish backstab promise of bringing America into the war in return for Palestine, the pawn shops, Germans having to sell everything they had to the pawn shop owners in order to survive and the pawn shop owners were Jewish etc..

That communism is the most horrible of all the statist systems is clear. That there were jews who initiated that in czaristic Russia is also clear. But that poor Clara Cohen did not have any responsibility over Leon Trotsky, just like Anya Androvich had over Stalin, Bernt Back over Hitler or Indiana Joe for the actions of Bush or Obama.

The idea that "all jews are communists, so it was justified to kidnap them and put them in camps" is nazi propaganda. Just like the other propagandas around it's bullshit. It's also not true; many jews were entrepreneurs, wanting to work in a free market, not under the shiny swords of communism.
I also think of the ... German Jews... who were not part of the movers and shakers, self identified as Germans because they were Germans, some had fought and died for Germany in WW1.

That's the whole thing; jews are and were so diverse that it's impossible to group them. The other denominators are far more important.


DIE JUDISCHEN GEFALLENEN

A Roll of Honor Commemorating the 12,000 German Jews
Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.

Die Judischen Gefallenen, The Jewish Roll of Honor, was published by The Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans in 1932, under the direction of Dr. Leo Lowenstein, Captain of the Reserves, Retired.

www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.php

I think now about the German Jewish Combat Veterans of WW1 and their families and how it would have been for them living through WW2.

It seems difficult to find the Nuremburg Laws and Jewish Decrees from the 1933-39 time period other than from Jewish websites such as the kind I don't like to post from like the Holocaust Encyclopedia.

There is German website but I can't get my translator to work so I will try again later to see if it has the information on the Jewish Decrees I am trying to find. Here is the link..www.ns-quellen.at/gesetz_anzeigen_detail.php?gesetz_id=34010&action=B_Read

In the meantime though..

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Government at every level—Reich, state and municipal—adopted hundreds of laws, decrees, directives, guidelines, and regulations that increasingly restricted the civil and human rights of the Jews in Germany.

Here are examples of anti-Jewish legislation in Nazi Germany, 1933–1939:

1933

March 31
Decree of the Berlin city commissioner for health suspends Jewish doctors from the city’s charity services.

April 7
Law for the Reestablishment of the Professional Civil Service removes Jews from government service.

April 7
Law on the Admission to the Legal Profession forbids the admission of Jews to the bar.

April 25
Law against Overcrowding in Schools and Universities limits the number of Jewish students in public schools.

July 14
De-Naturalization Law revokes the citizenship of naturalized Jews and “undesirables.”

October 4
Law on Editors bans Jews from editorial posts.

1935

May 21
Army law expels Jewish officers from the army.

September 15
Nazi leaders announce the Nuremberg Laws.

1936

January 11
Executive Order on the Reich Tax Law forbids Jews to serve as tax-consultants.

April 3
Reich Veterinarians Law expels Jews from the veterinary profession.

October 15
Reich Ministry of Education bans Jewish teachers from public schools.

1937

April 9
The Mayor of Berlin orders public schools not to admit Jewish children until further notice.

1938

January 5
Law on the Alteration of Family and Personal Names forbids Jews from changing their names.

February 5
Law on the Profession of Auctioneer excludes Jews from this occupation.

March 18
The Gun Law excludes Jewish gun merchants.

April 22
Decree against the Camouflage of Jewish Firms forbids changing the names of Jewish-owned businesses.

April 26
Order for the Disclosure of Jewish Assets requires Jews to report all property in excess of 5,000 reichsmarks.

July 11
Reich Ministry of the Interior bans Jews from health spas.

August 17
Executive Order on the Law on the Alteration of Family and Personal Names requires Jews to adopt an additional name: "Sara” for women and “Israel” for men.

October 3
Decree on the Confiscation of Jewish Property regulates the transfer of assets from Jews to non-Jewish Germans.

October 5
The Reich Interior Ministry invalidates all German passports held by Jews. Jews must surrender their old passports, which will become valid only after the letter “J” had been stamped on them.

November 12
Decree on the Exclusion of Jews from German Economic Life closes all Jewish-owned businesses.

November 15
Reich Ministry of Education expels all Jewish children from public schools.

November 28
Reich Ministry of Interior restricts the freedom of movement of Jews.

November 29
The Reich Interior Ministry forbids Jews to keep carrier pigeons.

December 14
An Executive Order on the Law on the Organization of National Work cancels all state contracts held with Jewish-owned firms.

December 21
Law on Midwives bans all Jews from the occupation.

1939

February 21
Decree Concerning the Surrender of Precious Metals and Stones in Jewish Ownership.

August 1
The President of the German Lottery forbids the sale of lottery tickets to Jews.

www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007459

1941

Jews no longer allowed to keep dogs, cats and birds

So in spite of the website source would those who have researched say that these are accurate examples of the decrees that were put in place in these time periods.

Indeed. So the comment by Voltaire cannot be right. There was anti-jewish behaviour in the Third Reich. People may -falsely- justify it, but that still does not make it disappear.
Some here seem to be saying that German Jews were not resented because they were Jews, that, some of them (150,000?) fought in WW2 etc it was only the socialist democrat, elites and communist agitating Jews they wanted out etc.. well others say that yes... they wanted all the Jews out of Germany but it cannot be both ways.

That 150,000 number keeps popping up in documentaries as well. I am very skeptical of all numbers, so also that does not escape scrutiny.

But let's take it as truth:
- you cannot blame people to have fought for a regime that was hostile to them. They had no choice. If the choice is a bullet in your head and your family dead or fighting a war for the nazis, then it makes sense to choose for yourself and your family. Only armchair people can in the safety of their homes say "that's a poor choice!". I don't take that stance seriously; being under those threats makes your decisions completely illogical.
- opportunism is all around and even stronger withing jewish communities. Policors may label that as "antisemitic" but it's common for jewish people to take their chances. Also the nazis were opportunists, shown by the industrialists used for the build-up of the Reich. There may be a lot of communists who fought for the nazis. Also opportunism.
- there were quite some muslims who fought with the Western armies against other muslims in the Middle East in the past 15 years (and before). That does not make the power play of geopolitics suddenly less harmful for the muslims (and others) living in the Middle East. That still is the case, no matter how many muslims were part of the American Air Force or the British ground troops...
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I'd like to add that from March 24, 1933 on, when the following occurred,
it was clear that they declared themselves ENEMIES OF THE GERMAN STATE:




No, there is no "themselves". A collection of 1500 people who decided this boycott with an additional 1000 maybe does not represent the views of ~14 million -exact figure unknown; the World Almanac numbers are unreliable- people.

Also a boycott is not a declaration of war. It may be unfair or unpleasant, but boycotting nazi products by jews or boycotting jewish products by nazis is in no way equal to mass kidnappings and letting people die.
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Source: pascasher.the-savoisien.com/2009/02/la-judee-declare-la-guerre-a-lallemagne.html


@ll
Are you able to note the recurring pattern?
They start every war with economic boycotts.

Nonetheless, most Jews living in Germany were still allowed to publish their own papers,
work as lawyers, doctors, artists, merchants ... until the late thirties, early fourties.



:right: VIDEOS

BONUS ;)
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The downplaying card again. How "generous" that average jews were "allowed" to keep working as they did. Very nice, that must make the nazis the only noble force in a world of filthy regimes... :yerright:
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Ting is. No one is claiming that no one died.
"Ting" is, they do.

The naztalgic Hitler fanboys and -girls here are clinging to "no document, so didn't happen". They reject the obviously faked "witness" accounts but suddeny when it fits their propaganda stance they are embraced as "proof" that those holiday camps were "actually not that bad" and when the targeted suffering of normal innocent ordinary jewish people is pointed out, the page quickly is turned to "Dresden" and "Hamburg" like it's some Holocaust Competition of Non Sequiturs.

To what you say below; that marks the difference between a dumb denier and a researching revisionist.

Pity the former seems the dominant force around here. Truth claimers, unable to handle relevant questions, hindering their "All the forces used propaganda but Dolfy H. was an honest man leading a noble regime"-dream.
Ting is. Peoples is claiming an exaggeration for nefarious reasons.
And why are you suggesting that everyone should "get over it" now
that the truth is getting closer ? :ponda:



Yet another low rent no-mark who cannot debate the holocaust without calling everyone Nazis
or Hitler fan boys. I couldn't give a shit about Herr Shicklegrubber but I know a lie when I see one.
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It's just as ridiculous to say that "the Americans, the British etc. declared war on Afghanistan, Iraq in 2002/3". It was the regimes, the politicians, the power pepople, not the average Joe. Just like the average jew did have nothing to do with "a declaration of war" in 1933. Or that Germans today would carry any responsibility for the behaviour of Angela Merkel. Or that an average black person carries guilt for Obomba's tricks.

Of course Germans today are not responsible for the behavior of Angela Merkel (except Germans who support her and her agenda) and no the average black person does not carry guilt for Obama's tricks (though the black and non-black public could have used their critical thinking skills and done some research on him and their are still those who support him).

I once read a book called The People of the Lie and part of it was about the Compartmentalization of Evil and how individual people will compartmentalize there own part (be it a small, mid or large size part) in the implementation of evil, this very much includes wars. Euphemisms are used in language when it comes to evil deeds not just for the sake of outsiders but for the sake of the perpetrators. The reason evil is compartmentalized is so NO ONE HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR IT.

Obama voters (...didn't know he was going to end up being more of the same evil cabal when we voted for him and got majorly pissed off if someone so much as slighted him..) well why not?? what was it that allowed you to get hypnotized by his rhetoric while you were working on behalf of his diabolical campaign? a campaign that you supported, the truth was out there, many were too lazy/blinded to look for it. The banality of evil.

Look at Dresden... were the bomber pilots responsible at the leadership decision making process in deciding to terrorize and mass murder the citizens of Dresden? no.... could it have happened without the pilots and the military structure that supported them? no.... what about the munitions factory workers where the bombs were made? what responsibility did they have over where the bombs would be dropped? none..... would there have been bombs to drop without their skill and work in the factories? no.

Seemingly small decisions and life choices such as where and how one chooses to work for a living for example can have major consequences in the big picture even though it may be just a small cog in the machinery the allows evil deeds to become a reality, this is why evil is compartmentalized.

Of course it was a horrible time with filthy regimes all around. But that is both not relevant for the individual citizens killed. To Anya Androvich from Ukraine it doesn't matter if millions of others also were killed. She was killed.

I agree with that.

It's not a contest of numbers, well, not for those who care for people. Only for psychopaths who cannot think in human lives, only in numbers.

Now this anger me.. :mad: are you actually implying that I am a psychopath for posting general numbers of those killed during the war to give a sense of the big picture of the horror taking place? do you actually think that I have no sense of those killed as being people who were of great value? you are not the only person who has the capacity to care for people or who thinks in terms of human lives. :nono:

Where did you get the 100,000 figure from? Many families in the occupied countries were wiped out. The gas chamber story is of course flawed as has been proven multiple times. So the question remains; what happened to them?

The gas chamber story is not only flawed it is unfeasible. I have gotten the 100-150,000 figure from various sources. From what I have read there were approx. 500,000 Jews in Germany when it all began, many of them left, migrated by the multiplied thousands elsewhere as things became stressful for them, those who didn't either didn't have the means to leave or didn't want to. The books I read in the past written by German Jews who were there during this time period also write how the majority left and there were only so many left behind.

Heck even yesterday while looking for the Jewish decrees I came upon this Jewish man's website who is virulently anti-National Socialist but look at the numbers he is stating..

Therefore, it was no surprise when the Nazi government began at once to take measures against the Jewish population of 522,000 citizens, constituting 0.77% of all Germans. The German government passed 431 laws and decrees aimed at driving all Jews out of Germany. Thousands succeeded in leaving Germany. Yet, when the Second World War began on September 1, 1939, the 164,000 Jews still living in Germany could no longer escape

jbuff.com/c011013.htm

Yes, and by repeating "deemed threats" it hints to an approval of that. Those people were just normal hardworking people like you and me. There was no threat.

Do you actually believe that there were no threats inside Germany at that time? that were being instigated by any Jewish people? You are aware are you not that Russia was taken over by a Jewish cabal.... yes Jewish...... of the top leadership of the Bolshevik Revolution the top mid 500 leaders of it, over 400 were Jewish. Of the Cheka Communist Secret Police hierarchy who were carrying out massive atrocities against the Russian people 75% were Jewish, this has been documented and verified by well researched historians.

Germany was under the very real threat of a communist takeover, there were Jewish communist and armed agitators on the ground ready to fight and willing to fight as well as propagate propaganda, they were gaining seats in the elections. Some of these agitators were coming from other countries such as Russia to spy and stir up the populace.

That does not mean that there were not normal hard-working German Jews who just wanted to live a normal life and take care of their families. Of course there were. Is it their fault that other Jews were threatening the security of the country? no.. of course not. It is a sad and tragic thing that the hard-working German Jews who were not out to cause harm were tainted with the same brush as those who were a very real threat.

Because some were most definitely a threat to the security of the country I understand some of the regulations that were put into place and some of the decisions made, however I find it hard to swallow the use of a 'racialist' policy as a tool to obtain power and consensus across all spectrums of the country, as a means to connect all the people together on the basis of 'blood'.

Pride in one's heritage yes, to pick one self up from the ashes as a country, against all odds, by hard work and determination, to thwart the forces that have launched itself against it......to build itself back up person by person...very astounding. But to acknowledge that some real people got hurt in the process, German Jews who were normal hard working families with children who also loved their country, the ones deemed asocials, not fit for society, some of the physically disabled who did not get what they were promised when there support was gained on the way up, the homeless who were considered undesirables, people who had their own reasons for not wanting to be National Socialists and were not out to harm the country that they loved either etc..

If next week 100,000s of muslims are deported from Europe because they are deemed a threat to Europe, it's equally bad.

It is a matter of perspective isn't it because you can bet that some of those Muslims are going to be responsible for raping and gang-raping European women in the future as a certain percentage of them have already. What of the children who are being molested at pools by migrants because they are having a 'sexual emergency'... so much so signs are being put up with pictures to explain to them that it is not alright to molest children at pools. What of the elderly people who are afraid to leave their homes because of gangs of Muslims harassing them and trying to steal from them?

Do you think that no Muslims who have migrated to Europe and practice the cult of Islam are a threat to Europe? do you think that because there are Muslims who are not out to harm people that it is alright to let hundred of thousands of 'migrants' into Europe unchecked? would you be okay if it comes about that Europe is taken over by the practitioners of Islam, even in part, even though many Muslims are still in the 7th century when it comes to their views on how women should be treated? even though they believe in cutting off of limbs as punishment? even though they think non-Muslims are fuel for hell-fire? Do you understand what an Islamic Europe would be like to live in?

Refugees legitimately fleeing war need help, that I am in agreement with, but this mass immigration campaign of unchecked borders and migrants of mostly men between the ages of 15-45 yrs flowing over is insane and completely irresponsible for the safety and security of the people of Europe. There are non-white citizens who legally immigrated to Europe as past refugees and immigrant families who also agree, it is not only white Europeans who are concerned and worried about it.

A catholic priest abusing little boys does not justify a war/attack on an average catholic.

Nobody that I know of is saying that it would. TPTB have people think it is one way or the other.... if you want to deport all the migrants because the policy is insane then you are racist and heartless, if you want to help the migrants and let them all in and turn none away because they are in need then you are ruining the country. Hegelian dialectic. I don't think most who want to deport the migrants want the legitimate refugees, women and children fleeing Syria to go without help, shelter, food, care etc... and I don't think the regular people who want to help the migrants want their own countries to be turned into a crime-infested shit-hole. There is obviously a bigger agenda going on with the mass migration campaign and it is only right and understandable that people in Europe want to protect themselves from what has happened in places like Sweden.

There have been so many millions of deaths ignored, the approximately 100 million people who have bee murdered in the last century alone under communism for example, as if their deaths don't matter.
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Maybe to you or to others. My position is just: those lives ALSO matter. Like I said; my sympathy lies with the common man, not with the powers of all sides.

Maybe to you or to others?? again you seem to be saying or implying that these lives don't matter to us but they matter to you as if you have a monopoly on caring for people that you don't think others do. It is all well and good to have sympathy with the common man especially since it is the common man who is being manipulated by the powers on all sides. It is also good to keep in mind not to be naïve in thinking that even though TPTB are evil vipers that it means that the common men are always good at heart and never ever mean any harm or are incapable of enacting any harm.. ever. The fact that the common man is very capable of enacting harm is in fact relied on by TPTB in putting forth some of there diabolical agendas.

Just today I was reading that the Germans have a duty to take in migrants to 'make up for what they did' in WW2. It never stops.

Yes, I've heard this before. But you don't call bullshit on that one? It's the mass media, politicians, "policy makers", the same crowd of psychos that were wrong in the first place. It's a ridiculous idea.

I know it is bullshit but that is what is still being put into peoples heads via governments, corporations and the mass media... that the Germans have a duty...... to 'make up for what they did in WW2'. That is why the Holocaust topic, exposes and revisionists need to be given space and shared with more and more people, even if it means arguing about it, at least we are able to argue about it here at this time on the internet whereas others have been charged, arrested and imprisoned.

But what it does is what is done here too; the collective guilt card. If Germans need to make up for what "they" did in WW2, then jews can be collectivized as well for "what they did in declaring war to Germany in 1933".

I would guess that many who are aware that there was a 'Jewish' declaration of War against Germany and a call for boycotts etc... understands that not each and every Jew on the face of the earth or in Germany was declaring a war against Germany. The thing is I don't think the Jews who declared war against Germany would have had a problem with the headline 'Judea Declares War Against Germany' or 'Jews of all the World Unite in Action'. Those headlines would have been their absolute intention.

Jews have admitted that they control Hollywood and the mass media...does that mean all the Jews control Hollywood and the mass media... of course not.... and when a person says... 'Jews control Hollywood' they are telling the truth... Jews do control Hollywood... that doesn't mean that the person is saying every Jew in the U.S. or the world are in control of Hollywood or that the Jewish person living down the street is in control of the media because 'Jews are in control of the mass media'.

Jews are in control of the U.S. Government and their Foreign Policy, does that mean every Jew is responsible for the Jews who have taken over the U.S. Government and their Foreign Policy and the atrocities they are committing as a result.. no... but are Jews saying anything.. are there Jews writing articles, blogs, websites, letters to the editors, protesting, documentaries, exposes about how some of their own fellow Jews have taken over the U.S. Government, Congress, and Foreign Policy? a very small number.

I have read articles written by Jews about their takeover of the mass media in western countries and Hollywood but those article were all of the viewpoint that they were PROUD of it. Proud of the monopoly they have over influencing the thoughts of a huge portion of the earth. Those who try to sneak a different perspective in there are mocked, ridiculed and ruined.

Jews have taken over the country I live in as far as government policy goes, you piss them off and you are in trouble even at the highest levels because they control the highest levels, are there other Jews out there disturbed at this situation and the enormous power their fellow Jews hold over a sovereign nation? not that I am aware of.

There are no doubt Jews who have no idea what is going on politically and could care less, fine, have no problem with Jews who live a normal life (outside of Israel), raising their families, doing there own thing, working or not working. I do have a problem with Jews who take over the western hemisphere and mass media and purposely set out to corrupt and destroy the countries they are inhabiting.

Either you believe in collective guilt or you don't. I of course hail the last option, but you cannot just pick collective guilt for the jews and be against it for the Germans.

I believe that people are responsible for what they do and what they refuse to do on an individual basis, people can only do what they can in their own bodies. I do think though that there is such a thing as collective psychosis or collective insanity that can take over a large group of people, a mindset, group-think, collective brainwashing that can also affect large portions of people even in whole countries. There can be a form of collective responsibility even within a family unit even though each family member is responsible for their own daily decisions and behavior that affect themselves and the family unit for good or for ill, the family itself as a kind of collective unit.

There have been bad things happen where if even one person had said 'hey lets not do this... this is insane'..... then others would have followed suit because they also thought it was insane but they were not going to be the one to lose face and appear weak. So even though people are responsible for their own individual decisions... those individual decisions and behavior affect the whole.... the collective,,, if the collective goes haywire then there can be such a thing as collective guilt.

That communism is the most horrible of all the statist systems is clear. That there were jews who initiated that in czaristic Russia is also clear. But that poor Clara Cohen did not have any responsibility over Leon Trotsky, just like Anya Androvich had over Stalin, Bernt Back over Hitler or Indiana Joe for the actions of Bush or Obama.

The idea that "all jews are communists, so it was justified to kidnap them and put them in camps" is nazi propaganda. Just like the other propagandas around it's bullshit. It's also not true; many jews were entrepreneurs, wanting to work in a free market, not under the shiny swords of communism.

Who is it who thinks that ALL the Jews were communists?
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It's just as ridiculous to say that "the Americans, the British etc. declared war on Afghanistan, Iraq in 2002/3". It was the regimes, the politicians, the power pepople, not the average Joe. Just like the average jew did have nothing to do with "a declaration of war" in 1933. Or that Germans today would carry any responsibility for the behaviour of Angela Merkel. Or that an average black person carries guilt for Obomba's tricks.

Of course Germans today are not responsible for the behavior of Angela Merkel (except Germans who support her and her agenda) and no the average black person does not carry guilt for Obama's tricks (though the black and non-black public could have used their critical thinking skills and done some research on him and their are still those who support him).

I once read a book called The People of the Lie and part of it was about the Compartmentalization of Evil and how individual people will compartmentalize there own part (be it a small, mid or large size part) in the implementation of evil, this very much includes wars. Euphemisms are used in language when it comes to evil deeds not just for the sake of outsiders but for the sake of the perpetrators. The reason evil is compartmentalized is so NO ONE HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR IT.

Obama voters (...didn't know he was going to end up being more of the same evil cabal when we voted for him and got majorly pissed off if someone so much as slighted him..) well why not?? what was it that allowed you to get hypnotized by his rhetoric while you were working on behalf of his diabolical campaign? a campaign that you supported, the truth was out there, many were too lazy/blinded to look for it. The banality of evil.

Look at Dresden... were the bomber pilots responsible at the leadership decision making process in deciding to terrorize and mass murder the citizens of Dresden? no.... could it have happened without the pilots and the military structure that supported them? no.... what about the munitions factory workers where the bombs were made? what responsibility did they have over where the bombs would be dropped? none..... would there have been bombs to drop without their skill and work in the factories? no.

Seemingly small decisions and life choices such as where and how one chooses to work for a living for example can have major consequences in the big picture even though it may be just a small cog in the machinery the allows evil deeds to become a reality, this is why evil is compartmentalized.

Good points and yes evil is compartmentalized to get away with it.

But a (neo/pro-)nazi today is no different from a communist today. Both are willingly supporting an evil system. That still is wrong. It does not make them responsible for the horrors under both regimes, but the critical eye on what you support is gone.
It's not a contest of numbers, well, not for those who care for people. Only for psychopaths who cannot think in human lives, only in numbers.

Now this anger me.. :mad: are you actually implying that I am a psychopath for posting general numbers of those killed during the war to give a sense of the big picture of the horror taking place? do you actually think that I have no sense of those killed as being people who were of great value? you are not the only person who has the capacity to care for people or who thinks in terms of human lives. :nono:

Easy easy. I did not "imply" anything on you, I barely know you or your posts. The numbers are used in the media and taken over by people. "X is worse because there were 20,000,000 deaths and not 2,000,000". That is leaving the human aspect and starting to battle with figures without thinking what is behind that; real people. Dead people. Killed.
Where did you get the 100,000 figure from? Many families in the occupied countries were wiped out. The gas chamber story is of course flawed as has been proven multiple times. So the question remains; what happened to them?

The gas chamber story is not only flawed it is unfeasible. I have gotten the 100-150,000 figure from various sources. From what I have read there were approx. 500,000 Jews in Germany when it all began, many of them left, migrated by the multiplied thousands elsewhere as things became stressful for them, those who didn't either didn't have the means to leave or didn't want to. The books I read in the past written by German Jews who were there during this time period also write how the majority left and there were only so many left behind.

Heck even yesterday while looking for the Jewish decrees I came upon this Jewish man's website who is virulently anti-National Socialist but look at the numbers he is stating..

The problem is that nobody knows how many jews there are/were before, during or after the war. The numbers given by the World Almanac are exact for 1933 and then repeated exactly that precise for 1938. It's data we cannot use. If you say there are other sources which indicate numbers it would be good to scrutinize also those. It's dangerous to use false or unreliable data to base your hypothesis on what happened on.

And then also that number of "150,000 jews fought for the nazi regime" comes into question. It does not make sense that 1 out of 3 German jews would be fighting in the war while 80-90% of the other jews (of the occupied countries) perished.
Therefore, it was no surprise when the Nazi government began at once to take measures against the Jewish population of 522,000 citizens, constituting 0.77% of all Germans. The German government passed 431 laws and decrees aimed at driving all Jews out of Germany. Thousands succeeded in leaving Germany. Yet, when the Second World War began on September 1, 1939, the 164,000 Jews still living in Germany could no longer escape

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Ok, thanks for that. Then it's 150/164,000 if that "150,000 [German] jews fought for the nazis, see, nazism was not antisemitic!1!!!!1!1!" turd would be true. That makes 91.4 % of the German jews taking part in the nazi atrocities. Highly highly unlikely. Taking other jews from the occupied countries into play the number drops but is still amazingly large.
Yes, and by repeating "deemed threats" it hints to an approval of that. Those people were just normal hardworking people like you and me. There was no threat.

Do you actually believe that there were no threats inside Germany at that time? that were being instigated by any Jewish people? You are aware are you not that Russia was taken over by a Jewish cabal.... yes Jewish...... of the top leadership of the Bolshevik Revolution the top mid 500 leaders of it, over 400 were Jewish. Of the Cheka Communist Secret Police hierarchy who were carrying out massive atrocities against the Russian people 75% were Jewish, this has been documented and verified by well researched historians.

Yes, I know that. But like I said; that is irrelevant for the average jew. They were not the Bolshevik leaders, they shared nothing with them, only an imagined "race" or religion (although atheism was in the heart of communism). It would be just as foolish to start attacking Japanese citizens in the US for the filth ""their"" regime played out.... oh wait...
Germany was under the very real threat of a communist takeover, there were Jewish communist and armed agitators on the ground ready to fight and willing to fight as well as propagate propaganda, they were gaining seats in the elections. Some of these agitators were coming from other countries such as Russia to spy and stir up the populace.

Again; the proper response to those who threaten you is to threaten those back. If it would be a war on communism, or on Freemasonry or on Zionism or on any other real threat, it would be a bit better ""understandable"" to kidnap those people. But Clara from Charleroi and Fedor from Pecs didn't have any responsibility for a communist take-over threat in Germany.

It also makes no sense that the majority of the camps were taken in use 7-10 years after the own take-over of Germany by an Austrian idiot...
That does not mean that there were not normal hard-working German Jews who just wanted to live a normal life and take care of their families. Of course there were. Is it their fault that other Jews were threatening the security of the country? no.. of course not. It is a sad and tragic thing that the hard-working German Jews who were not out to cause harm were tainted with the same brush as those who were a very real threat.

Exactly. .And that makes nazism an evil ideology. And those who swung from being propagandized in their youths by the Holocaust Story to the ridiculous position of "the nazis were noble, Hitler was a hero and they tried to save the world" highly questionable in their truthseeking attempts. Clinging to a new story because the old story is untrue is no improvement.
Because some were most definitely a threat to the security of the country I understand some of the regulations that were put into place and some of the decisions made, however I find it hard to swallow the use of a 'racialist' policy as a tool to obtain power and consensus across all spectrums of the country, as a means to connect all the people together on the basis of 'blood'.

The nazis not only fought the jews, also the Slaves were considered subhuman. Eastern Europe was first fucked under nazism and then under communism/socialism. The speeches and Mein Kampf are pretty clear on the objectives of national-socialism. The portrayal of blue-eyed blonde people as superior too.

That does not mean the NSDAP and their puppets were all "aryan". Opportunism still is more important than principles. Especially for a regime that was rather clumsy in its methods.

One of the main problems Hitler or his advisors did not realize was the cost of the war and especially on resources needed to play wargames. Germany lacks huge quantities of oil (one of the main reasons for the Anschluss, apart from Hitlers own background; the Austrian oil fields), iron needs to be mined and time to process, people who wanted to work for your ideology needed to be threatened.

So to still be able to play on, you'd have to make compromises and hire jews, other non-aryans, do business with "the enemy" (US, mainly), etc.

What does not make sense is the idea that jews were kidnapped to work for the nazis because of only their labor. Then it would be stupid to kidnap the elders and babies. If you want workers, you want people aged 15-55. Feeding and maintaining the toddlers and grandmas is highly inefficient which doesn't fit German or nazi practices.
Pride in one's heritage yes, to pick one self up from the ashes as a country, against all odds, by hard work and determination, to thwart the forces that have launched itself against it......to build itself back up person by person...very astounding. But to acknowledge that some real people got hurt in the process, German Jews who were normal hard working families with children who also loved their country, the ones deemed asocials, not fit for society, some of the physically disabled who did not get what they were promised when there support was gained on the way up, the homeless who were considered undesirables, people who had their own reasons for not wanting to be National Socialists and were not out to harm the country that they loved either etc..

Thanks for pointing that out; that is the difference between a psychopath and a human thinker. The psychopath uses people to his/her benefit and throws them away just as easily. And that is what happened in and to Germany. What you describe is just what makes nazism just as filthy as those other propagandist regimes; the Allies with their education system influence, the Zionists with their more covert operations, the communists with their even sicker gulags and policies, etc.

This video is quite sharp on the similarities between the statist regimes:


If next week 100,000s of muslims are deported from Europe because they are deemed a threat to Europe, it's equally bad.

It is a matter of perspective isn't it because you can bet that some of those Muslims are going to be responsible for raping and gang-raping European women in the future as a certain percentage of them have already. What of the children who are being molested at pools by migrants because they are having a 'sexual emergency'... so much so signs are being put up with pictures to explain to them that it is not alright to molest children at pools. What of the elderly people who are afraid to leave their homes because of gangs of Muslims harassing them and trying to steal from them?

The only right policy would be is to throw out those responsible immigrants, of whatever race, religion or anything. Collectivizing guilt is the real danger and my point which you agree upon. It makes no sense to punish muslims who did nothing wrong for the misbehavior of their "fellow" muslims. Those attacks by migrants are wrong and should be punished by extradition. It's however policy to not do that and keep those dangers in the current European countries to make them vote for more state power. It's deliberate.
Do you think that no Muslims who have migrated to Europe and practice the cult of Islam are a threat to Europe?

It depends on the person and their personal choices. It's impossible to generalize so many people. I consider the core of islam (the quran, the hadiths) very unpleasant texts. Similar to the talmud. But on the other hand; luckily most muslims do not read the quran very well, otherwise there would be many more mass attacks to Westerners. The "kill the infidels" verses are numerous. The downgrading of non-muslims is horrendous. But most muslims are just working and living like you and me. They do not rape, steal or murder. The ones who do, those are the dangerous ones and yes, they are a threat to Europe. No sane country would allow them to stay.
do you think that because there are Muslims who are not out to harm people that it is alright to let hundred of thousands of 'migrants' into Europe unchecked?

No of course not. This whole migration crisis is a shame for the once so prosperous and safe continent. Immigration in itself cannot be wrong, but what is wrong is the disparity in rights and obligations actively created by the politicians. It cannot be that a legal tourist has to apply for a visa and go through a whole process while any Syrian (and Eritrean traveling on his back) just gets housing, benefits and all. And is not punished for misbehavior.
would you be okay if it comes about that Europe is taken over by the practitioners of Islam, even in part, even though many Muslims are still in the 7th century when it comes to their views on how women should be treated? even though they believe in cutting off of limbs as punishment? even though they think non-Muslims are fuel for hell-fire? Do you understand what an Islamic Europe would be like to live in?

That is a very apocalyptic vision. Europe is strong and big enough to not become an islamic super state.

It assumes that every (or the majority of) muslims is busy with jihad; with an active war against European enlightened values. That is not the case; most of them are just people like you and me, living their lives, raising their children, etc. Again; the core of islam and the practice of circumcision are horrible. That does not make every muslim some primitive ape. That also is propaganda from the media and politicians.

I've been to some muslim countries and never felt threatened for being from the West. I don't like the Arab culture of "a kiss on the cheek and a knife in the back", but my experiences were not bad, especially considering how dirty the core of islam actually is.

It is also an active strategy by politicians; just let people fight over senseless things (religion. race) so we stay in power and out of the warzone. Those who are really responsible get away with it by letting the average common man in the street fight with each other. A very old strategy of the Elites and clearly played out these days.
Refugees legitimately fleeing war need help, that I am in agreement with, but this mass immigration campaign of unchecked borders and migrants of mostly men between the ages of 15-45 yrs flowing over is insane and completely irresponsible for the safety and security of the people of Europe. There are non-white citizens who legally immigrated to Europe as past refugees and immigrant families who also agree, it is not only white Europeans who are concerned and worried about it.

I know and agree. It's suicide to let into your country whatever baboon that was able to pay human traffickers to get you there.

But it's not about race; it's about boosting state power, first the national states playing clumsy and then the "savior" of Europe (the European freaking "Union") steps in to take over. It looks pretty familiar when looking at the nazis. The EU stands closer to the NSDAP than to anything else.
A catholic priest abusing little boys does not justify a war/attack on an average catholic.

Nobody that I know of is saying that it would. TPTB have people think it is one way or the other.... if you want to deport all the migrants because the policy is insane then you are racist and heartless, if you want to help the migrants and let them all in and turn none away because they are in need then you are ruining the country. Hegelian dialectic. I don't think most who want to deport the migrants want the legitimate refugees, women and children fleeing Syria to go without help, shelter, food, care etc... and I don't think the regular people who want to help the migrants want their own countries to be turned into a crime-infested shit-hole. There is obviously a bigger agenda going on with the mass migration campaign and it is only right and understandable that people in Europe want to protect themselves from what has happened in places like Sweden.

Yes. The politicians play this black-white game where the Gutmenschen are right and everyone critical of this happening a xenophobe. They do this to also let people fight among each other. If your friends are all in favor of mass immigration and you ask critical and relevant questions, they may ostracize you for that. It creates divisions between people, deliberately. Again; for the Elites to stay safely in their ivory tower background and not be criticized (although they are the ones responsible for this mess).

Collectivization again. Very harmful and senseless; the choices every individual makes in everyday life are individualist. You go to a hair dresser because you like him/her and he/she does good work. You don't go there because he/she's muslim, white, jew or any other non-sensical intrinsic characteristic.
There have been so many millions of deaths ignored, the approximately 100 million people who have bee murdered in the last century alone under communism for example, as if their deaths don't matter.
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Maybe to you or to others. My position is just: those lives ALSO matter. Like I said; my sympathy lies with the common man, not with the powers of all sides.

Maybe to you or to others?? again you seem to be saying or implying that these lives don't matter to us but they matter to you as if you have a monopoly on caring for people that you don't think others do. It is all well and good to have sympathy with the common man especially since it is the common man who is being manipulated by the powers on all sides. It is also good to keep in mind not to be naïve in thinking that even though TPTB are evil vipers that it means that the common men are always good at heart and never ever mean any harm or are incapable of enacting any harm.. ever. The fact that the common man is very capable of enacting harm is in fact relied on by TPTB in putting forth some of there diabolical agendas.

Again I am not implying anything. I've been brought up by the horrors of the gulags during the "Cold War" (the war on information, started long before 1945). And yes of course, common people can do very harmful things. But the thing is; where there is still some form of punishment for them, the Elites get away with evil deeds on a much bigger scale.

The root of the problem is statism; where for ordinary people different rules apply than for the ones in power.
If stealing, counterfeiting and murdering is bad, it's equally bad for a state employee doing just that; taxation, money printing as they see fit and waging wars. Still people are brainwashed by that unfair discrimination.

Hence my objection to those who defend nazism. Statism to the max (only communism is even bigger and more dangerous). Anyone awake should stay away from supporting statism as that is the whole core of the abilities for the Elites to play their games.
Just today I was reading that the Germans have a duty to take in migrants to 'make up for what they did' in WW2. It never stops.

Yes, I've heard this before. But you don't call bullshit on that one? It's the mass media, politicians, "policy makers", the same crowd of psychos that were wrong in the first place. It's a ridiculous idea.

I know it is bullshit but that is what is still being put into peoples heads via governments, corporations and the mass media... that the Germans have a duty...... to 'make up for what they did in WW2'. That is why the Holocaust topic, exposes and revisionists need to be given space and shared with more and more people, even if it means arguing about it, at least we are able to argue about it here at this time on the internet whereas others have been charged, arrested and imprisoned.

Completely agreed, my whole motivation to join Truth Zone in the first place.
But what it does is what is done here too; the collective guilt card. If Germans need to make up for what "they" did in WW2, then jews can be collectivized as well for "what they did in declaring war to Germany in 1933".

I would guess that many who are aware that there was a 'Jewish' declaration of War against Germany and a call for boycotts etc... understands that not each and every Jew on the face of the earth or in Germany was declaring a war against Germany. The thing is I don't think the Jews who declared war against Germany would have had a problem with the headline 'Judea Declares War Against Germany' or 'Jews of all the World Unite in Action'. Those headlines would have been their absolute intention.

It may be their intention but also don't forget it's mass media. Even back then, in 1933, the media were propagandizing all the time. People didn't have internet to look for alternative views, they only had radio and "news"papers.

If an economic boycott equals "declaring war", then it should apply to everyone. I have no problems having economic boycotts on Israel for the treatment of Palestinians or Saudi-Arabia for the evil deeds they do. The problem however with economic boycotts is that the ones who suffer are the common people we like so much. The Elites always stay out of the pit; Stalin and Chrutschev drinking the best French cognac while their population suffers under the communist collectivization campains.
Jews have admitted that they control Hollywood and the mass media...does that mean all the Jews control Hollywood and the mass media... of course not.... and when a person says... 'Jews control Hollywood' they are telling the truth... Jews do control Hollywood... that doesn't mean that the person is saying every Jew in the U.S. or the world are in control of Hollywood or that the Jewish person living down the street is in control of the media because 'Jews are in control of the mass media'.

Fair enough. Still I would choose a different word showing the ideological warfare. If you say "jews control Hollywood" it implies that Hollywood is spreading "jewish values". It's not; it's zionist values or cultural marxist values or any other term pointing out what is going on.
Jews are in control of the U.S. Government and their Foreign Policy, does that mean every Jew is responsible for the Jews who have taken over the U.S. Government and their Foreign Policy and the atrocities they are committing as a result.. no... but are Jews saying anything.. are there Jews writing articles, blogs, websites, letters to the editors, protesting, documentaries, exposes about how some of their own fellow Jews have taken over the U.S. Government, Congress, and Foreign Policy? a very small number.

There are more powers in play than just jews. That's the Jewspiracy which also here seems so commonly spread. It is turning a blind eye again to the other factors of importance; Elites are diverse in nature and they want to increase and maintain their power. INfluential families playing in the background and controlling the puppets are not only jews.

Jewspiracy is real, it's just not the one and only solution for the whole world. Apart form that it "makes sense"; jews never had an own country, so they were dispersed and had to infiltrate other countries politics. I am not saying that is good, just an explanation for the difference of tactics. If you have an own country with borders, an army, statism, tax farming, etc. etc. it's different.
I have read articles written by Jews about their takeover of the mass media in western countries and Hollywood but those article were all of the viewpoint that they were PROUD of it. Proud of the monopoly they have over influencing the thoughts of a huge portion of the earth. Those who try to sneak a different perspective in there are mocked, ridiculed and ruined.

Typical psychopath behavior; bragging about your own manipulation strategies. Most people are sheeple; they don't care. And even if they do, the step to awakening is too hard or too confronting to make so ridiculization of fellow people is the way to go.

Having spent years awakening I also cannot blame them; it's not an easy path to follow.
Jews have taken over the country I live in as far as government policy goes, you piss them off and you are in trouble even at the highest levels because they control the highest levels, are there other Jews out there disturbed at this situation and the enormous power their fellow Jews hold over a sovereign nation? not that I am aware of.

Quite some jews are part of the revisionist community. They may not be as outspoken for fears oulined but they are there. You mentioned the book by the German jew, in this topic we have seen David Cole/Stein and Shlomo Sand swimming against the current and there are others too.

I think embracing those looking for untruths is a good approach. And also there naztalgia only puts people off. It's not only non-sensical (defending statism, Elitism, discrimination, psychopathy, etc.) but also harmful for an open minded research where the more jews participate the better. If they're honest of course and not part of a disinfo campaign.
There are no doubt Jews who have no idea what is going on politically and could care less, fine, have no problem with Jews who live a normal life (outside of Israel), raising their families, doing there own thing, working or not working. I do have a problem with Jews who take over the western hemisphere and mass media and purposely set out to corrupt and destroy the countries they are inhabiting.

But only with jews or with anyone spreading propaganda and lies? Because that would be the consistent attitude. Not only jewish lies are bad, all lies are bad.
Either you believe in collective guilt or you don't. I of course hail the last option, but you cannot just pick collective guilt for the jews and be against it for the Germans.

I believe that people are responsible for what they do and what they refuse to do on an individual basis, people can only do what they can in their own bodies. I do think though that there is such a thing as collective psychosis or collective insanity that can take over a large group of people, a mindset, group-think, collective brainwashing that can also affect large portions of people even in whole countries. There can be a form of collective responsibility even within a family unit even though each family member is responsible for their own daily decisions and behavior that affect themselves and the family unit for good or for ill, the family itself as a kind of collective unit.

That there is mass brainwashing all around is crystal clear; we are still in the Holocaust topic where our questions are even punishable by "law" in quite some countries. But "collective family responsibility", how does that work? What is a concrete example?
There have been bad things happen where if even one person had said 'hey lets not do this... this is insane'..... then others would have followed suit because they also thought it was insane but they were not going to be the one to lose face and appear weak. So even though people are responsible for their own individual decisions... those individual decisions and behavior affect the whole.... the collective,,, if the collective goes haywire then there can be such a thing as collective guilt.

Agreed with the first part; resistance should be encouraged, but the step to the second part and "collective guilt" I don't see. In the end you live only once and for yourself, your family (partner and children) and then resistance takes courage. Most people are just sheeple, ignorant and living their lives without caring for what we discuss here. Again, I cannot blame them. Can you?
That communism is the most horrible of all the statist systems is clear. That there were jews who initiated that in czaristic Russia is also clear. But that poor Clara Cohen did not have any responsibility over Leon Trotsky, just like Anya Androvich had over Stalin, Bernt Back over Hitler or Indiana Joe for the actions of Bush or Obama.

The idea that "all jews are communists, so it was justified to kidnap them and put them in camps" is nazi propaganda. Just like the other propagandas around it's bullshit. It's also not true; many jews were entrepreneurs, wanting to work in a free market, not under the shiny swords of communism.

Who is it who thinks that ALL the Jews were communists?

If the strategy was to fight communism by kidnapping jews, then from the point of view of the nazi regime there should be a large correlation between the two. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense to have to feed so many people from so many countries in your camps in Germany, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and minor camps in other countries.

The people who perished were not the bankers, the politicians or even the communist party members. It was jews in general; grandma and baby Cohen were in the same position as 25 year old Avraham who may have supported the communist party.

So even if that were the true motivation of the Third Reich it would be non sequitur.
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Why was your first post in this thread in the vein of someone who favoured the revisionist camp? Posting loads of revisionist links.

Again- please prove the intention of Germans to kill jews for being jews. Yes I know. It is rather repetitive. So to spice up the thread - feel free to appeal to emotion, name call, avoid answering my question, whatever forum members like you do when "nazis" have entered the discussion.

Kremer's diary maybe?
He was there and working for the SS at the time.
I'm as on board as most on here that the entire Holocaust Narrative is a political myth of relatively recent and post-war confection
Where we maybe differ is that I do accept that the Nazis murdered innocent people in great numbers.
So did the allies. Politicians and their arms dealer mates are total bastards and war is just politics taken to extremes
Race or ethnicity does not nor should privilege victimhood.
Were the Nazis innocent of any and all atrocities?
No.
Were the allies equally culpable?
Yes.
Who won?
The allies did.
Is that war long over and were all of us posting on here born after it ended?
Yes on both counts.
Why should we give a feck?
I really don't know apart from the fact that the only ones banging the 'Nazis were nice guys' drum on forums like this seem to be people who rather seem to like the idea of Nazism.
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Voltaire wrote:
Why was your first post in this thread in the vein of someone who favoured the revisionist camp? Posting loads of revisionist links.

Again- please prove the intention of Germans to kill jews for being jews. Yes I know. It is rather repetitive. So to spice up the thread - feel free to appeal to emotion, name call, avoid answering my question, whatever forum members like you do when "nazis" have entered the discussion.

Kremer's diary maybe?
He was there and working for the SS at the time.
I'm as on board as most on here that the entire Holocaust Narrative is a political myth of relatively recent and post-war confection
Where we maybe differ is that I do accept that the Nazis murdered innocent people in great numbers.
So did the allies. Politicians and their arms dealer mates are total bastards and war is just politics taken to extremes
Race or ethnicity does not nor should privilege victimhood.
Were the Nazis innocent of any and all atrocities?
No.
Were the allies equally culpable?
Yes.
Who won?
The allies did.
Is that war long over and were all of us posting on here born after it ended?
Yes on both counts.
Why should we give a feck?
I really don't know apart from the fact that the only ones banging the 'Nazis were nice guys' drum on forums like this seem to be people who rather seem to like the idea of Nazism.

Why you should give a feck?

Because the guys (Zionists and Freemasons) who won the war are fucking up the planet today:



The Holocaust is being used to extort billions from Germany and keep them pinned down for any new revolt, as laws have been put in place to deny this lie of satanic proportions. A lie which has put millions of Jews in grief and millions of Germans in guilt for something that didn't happen, just to ensure it's almost impossible to criticize a small elite international clique called the Zionists, which are building up the New World Order.

So yeah, you better start giving a feck.
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The Holocaust 23 Feb 2016 20:31 #1957

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GMP wrote:
Voltaire wrote:
Why was your first post in this thread in the vein of someone who favoured the revisionist camp? Posting loads of revisionist links.

Again- please prove the intention of Germans to kill jews for being jews. Yes I know. It is rather repetitive. So to spice up the thread - feel free to appeal to emotion, name call, avoid answering my question, whatever forum members like you do when "nazis" have entered the discussion.

Kremer's diary maybe?
He was there and working for the SS at the time.
I'm as on board as most on here that the entire Holocaust Narrative is a political myth of relatively recent and post-war confection
Where we maybe differ is that I do accept that the Nazis murdered innocent people in great numbers.
So did the allies. Politicians and their arms dealer mates are total bastards and war is just politics taken to extremes
Race or ethnicity does not nor should privilege victimhood.
Were the Nazis innocent of any and all atrocities?
No.
Were the allies equally culpable?
Yes.
Who won?
The allies did.
Is that war long over and were all of us posting on here born after it ended?
Yes on both counts.
Why should we give a feck?
I really don't know apart from the fact that the only ones banging the 'Nazis were nice guys' drum on forums like this seem to be people who rather seem to like the idea of Nazism.

Why you should give a feck?

Because the guys (Zionists and Freemasons) who won the war are fucking up the planet today:



The Holocaust is being used to extort billions from Germany and keep them pinned down for any new revolt, as laws have been put in place to deny this lie of satanic proportions. A lie which has put millions of Jews in grief and millions of Germans in guilt for something that didn't happen, just to ensure it's almost impossible to criticize a small elite international clique called the Zionists, which are building up the New World Order.

So yeah, you better start giving a feck.

Welcome window licker.. :larf:

So billions is being extorted from Germany and this is to keep them pinned down in case they revolt.... :larf: :facepalm:

Fuck me thats a new one :D
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That makes 91.4 % of the German jews taking part in the nazi atrocities

It would help to know what exactly you refer to when you write 'nazi atrocities' since a lot of what has been deemed 'nazi atrocities' has been made up such as the whole gas oven six million murdered narrative which you acknowledge as 'flawed' but I think that in light of all the propaganda the last 70 years in this regard it would be good to know exactly what you mean and if you could provide background.

One of the reasons I bring this up as well is because in my very young years I lived with two elderly women who had lived under communism, one in Russia and the other Estonia. What they were subjected to under communism is almost beyond imagining and endurance with one of them having been through physical torture and permanent injury from her time in a labor camp.

The truth is that when the Germans attacked where they lived in Russia and in Estonia in order to combat the communists.. these two women from two different locations did not see it as an invasion or as an atrocity..... they saw it as liberation....... they WANTED to be liberated by the Germans, they WANTED to be freed from living under the horrendous oppression and monstrosity that was communism that made their lives a living horror.

No matter what one thinks of National Socialism, it is very rarely said that people living under communism at that time desperately wanted to be liberated and freed, As a matter of fact when I knew them, a very long time after these events took place, and by then they had immigrated to Canada, they were pro-National Socialist in there outlook of history because they were the ones who had taken on the communists.

They viewed German Army actions and that of the National Socialists from an entirely different angle of history, history that they had gone through themselves, as Russians and Estonians persecuted and enslaved by diabolical communists.

What they were terrified of even decades later...was communism... they were afraid that one day communism was going to take over the entire earth, they had maps on the wall of one room to mark any communist lands and to keep track if they were to spread. Being so young at the time, I thought they were.... well paranoid about this communism stuff, we were in Canada after all. Bur they had lived it.

And what happened, Russia and Estonia were left in communist hands.

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Welcome window licker.. :larf:

So billions is being extorted from Germany and this is to keep them pinned down in case they revolt.... :larf: :facepalm:

Fuck me thats a new one :D



Thanks for this very novel :rofl: attempt to ridicule a non-pc comment, paid minion of the system.
Another great contribution exposing yourself as best as can be :thumbup:
You still believe rape while being a mercenary is cheaper than going to brothels?
I think mercenaries - killers and rapists for money - are the cheapest and lowest of the whores in this world.
Far below the legions of paid system trolls on the internet ....

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The Holocaust 23 Feb 2016 20:51 #1960

PFIZIPFEI wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:


Welcome window licker.. :larf:

So billions is being extorted from Germany and this is to keep them pinned down in case they revolt.... :larf: :facepalm:

Fuck me thats a new one :D



Thanks for this very novel :rofl: attempt to ridicule a non-pc comment, paid minion of the system.
Another great contribution exposing yourself as best as can be :thumbup:
You still believe rape while being a mercenary is cheaper than going to brothels?
I think mercenaries - killers and rapists for money - are the cheapest and lowest of the whores in this world.
Far below the legions of paid system trolls on the internet ....

:)

Is that what you call tough love Frau :larf: XX :P

Well thats one of the most stooopid statements ever written on here :larf: If people want to revolt they can revolt, if the cause is just, then people join, thats how revolts work ;) Seems the German people dont give a fuck either :wissl:
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