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The Holocaust 25 Apr 2016 20:53 #2141

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Remains of Modern Industrial Cremation






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This video shows human remains being removed from the retort (crematory) and taken to the processing machine. It shows the human remains close-up.

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Remains of Modern Industrial Cremation






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This video shows human remains being removed from the retort (crematory) and taken to the processing machine. It shows the human remains close-up.

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We know by know where most of the dead bodies of those who were locked up in the camps went.

What were they guilty of ?

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The Holocaust 25 Apr 2016 21:20 #2143

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Cinta wrote:
We know by know where most of the dead bodies of those who were locked up in the camps went.

What were they guilty of ?


Pardon?

What do you think are those pictures showing?

Where were they taken?

When exactly?

By whom?

Source?

And what is the reason you are posting them apparently as a response to the previous video?

Are you able to detect photo fakery?

If you noted the blatant manipulation, why did you post the pictures nonetheless?

If you were unable to verify the authenticity, why did you post the pictures nonetheless?


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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cinta wrote:
We know by know where most of the dead bodies of those who were locked up in the camps went.

What were they guilty of ?


Pardon?

What do you think are those pictures showing?

Where were they taken?

When exactly?

By whom?

Source?

And what is the reason you are posting them apparently as a response to the previous video?

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Do you agree that people died of various reasons in the camps ?

If so and they weren't put in the ovens,they had to be put in graves; or not?


the pictures I posted are from this site : a site exposes the holocaust hoax :dunno:

exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.nl/2015/04/pictures-of-dead-bodies-in-mass-graves.html
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You were too eager to respond so please note that I edited my comment while you were already quoting it.

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You were too eager to respond so please note that I edited my comment while you were already quoting it.

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Do you agree that people died of various reasons in the camps ?

If so and they weren't put in the ovens,they had to be put in graves; or not?


the pictures I posted are from this site : a site exposes the holocaust hoax :dunno:

exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blog...-in-mass-graves.html
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Cinta wrote:
Do you agree that people died of various reasons in the camps ?

If so and they weren't put in the ovens,they had to be put in graves; or not?


the pictures I posted are from this site : a site exposes the holocaust hoax :dunno:

exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blog...-in-mass-graves.html



What exactly is the reason, that you evade all of my questions?


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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Do you agree that people died of various reasons in the camps ?

If so and they weren't put in the ovens,they had to be put in graves; or not?


the pictures I posted are from this site : a site exposes the holocaust hoax :dunno:

exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blog...-in-mass-graves.html



What exactly is the reason, that you evade all of my questions?


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Why are you so defensive ; you know I already made my point about the gassings and the ovens

When people live in terrible conditions they will die from diseases,bad housing etc.

How can I verify the pictures that you post aren't fake ?

Do you agree that people died of various reasons in the camps ?

If so and they weren't put in the ovens,they had to be put in graves; or not?
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These bodies weren't burried in Hitler garden you know :facepalm:

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Nice to watch your typical evasiveness. Thanks, cinta!



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Everyone, by now, knows that KL dead were baked into cakes (kuchen) and the SS ate them, bones and all, so that there would be no evidence. This forced the ALLEYES to produce false evidence at the IMT in Nuremberg.

German soldiers resorted to cannibalism for the sake of the Reich. Sorry no links, but I think this is the next stage of the HOLOCAUST narrative.

No mass graves - German Soldiers Ordered to Eat Victims of Atrocities

Completely makes sense why there have been no mass graves found of German victims, apart from the Katyn Victims which were declared to be German victims, but then shown to be Bolshevik victims.

If only Soviets had the same digestional capacity as the Germans, the Katyn massacre would have never come to light.



BTW does anyone check in to see what Dogsbarf is up to besides me? at skepticsforum? Man is that guy a thorn.


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Archive.org wayback has the Auschwitz Death Certificates (it falls short of the current plaque stating 1.5 million)
In 1989, the Soviets released much of the German documentation, death certificates, roll-calls, cremation lists, etc, that they had found at Auschwitz, in January 1945. The Germans had simply left this documentation when they evacuated. The Soviets, came across it and conveniently "lost it" in their archives for some 45 years. In 1989, Gorbachev presented it to the Red Cross who then "lost it" in archives in Arolsen, Germany.

The death certificates themselves, were official German documents, issued by Auschwitz camp doctors, upon the death of an inmate. Each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence, parents' names, time of death, cause of death and a camp physician's signature.

The death certificates are mainly from the years, 1942 and 1943. There is a little documentation from the year 1941, none from the year 1944, nor from January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated). The death certificates record the names of 68,864 individuals, who died at Auschwitz (Birkenau), of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews.

The link here is only for the names begginning with "A" to get the rest simply change the number (eg 56657 to 56658 and you will then link to the names beginning with "B") and so on to get the rest

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Voltaire wrote:
Archive.org wayback has the Auschwitz Death Certificates (it falls short of the current plaque stating 1.5 million)
In 1989, the Soviets released much of the German documentation, death certificates, roll-calls, cremation lists, etc, that they had found at Auschwitz, in January 1945. The Germans had simply left this documentation when they evacuated. The Soviets, came across it and conveniently "lost it" in their archives for some 45 years. In 1989, Gorbachev presented it to the Red Cross who then "lost it" in archives in Arolsen, Germany.

The death certificates themselves, were official German documents, issued by Auschwitz camp doctors, upon the death of an inmate. Each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence, parents' names, time of death, cause of death and a camp physician's signature.

The death certificates are mainly from the years, 1942 and 1943. There is a little documentation from the year 1941, none from the year 1944, nor from January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated). The death certificates record the names of 68,864 individuals, who died at Auschwitz (Birkenau), of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews.

The link here is only for the names begginning with "A" to get the rest simply change the number (eg 56657 to 56658 and you will then link to the names beginning with "B") and so on to get the rest

web.archive.org/web/20071129212338/http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/56657.php

Thanks but this list can never be complete.
  • I have gone back 6 generations in my family
  • I am gen 0, my grandfather (he was jewish) gen 2, so back to the grandparents of his grandparents
  • those are 22 people
  • born between 1761 and 1810, 2 unknown year of birth
  • all born in the Netherlands
  • I have traced all the lineages from those 22 people
  • in total that are 1675 persons, including partners (married into the family), who are fathers and mothers of next generations
  • of those 1675 people, 1425 were alive at the start of WWII (in Holland; 10-05-1940)
  • of those 1425 people at least (there are some question marks additionally who may have survived but there's no data available (yet) on them) 171 people have survived the war (alive @ 05-05-1945)
  • 956 of those 1425 people died in camps or other or unknown places in Nazi Germany
  • 4 died in transit camp Westerbork (NL)
  • 1 died in Bergen-Belsen
  • 1 died in Gurs (FR)
  • 16 died in Mauthausen
  • 242 died in Sobibor (including my greatgrandparents, the parents of my grandfather and his sister)
  • 613 died in Auschwitz
  • 241 of these 613 had children
  • 225 of these 613 didn't have children (at least known, they may have had them but there are no records)
  • 147 of these 613 were children (<18) themselves
  • 9 of these 613 had last names starting with "A"
  • 61 of these 613 had last names starting with "B"
  • 389 of these 613 in Auschwitz died in 1942
  • 183 of these 613 in Auschwitz died in 1943
  • 38 of these 613 in Auschwitz died in 1944 (!)
  • deadliest day in Auschwitz: 30-09-1942 (121 family members (out of those 613) died!)

The shocking fact: NONE of those 70 family members appears in the lists of A and B of the link.

Some family members have photos, most don't.

Examples:

Regina Arbeid (Poons) - Amsterdam - 09-10-1890-28-01-1944 - photo - www.geni.com/people/Regina-Arbeid/6000000024850004728
Doesn't appear in the list under "Arbeid", list with P is missing: web.archive.org/web/http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/56675.php
Q = web.archive.org/web/http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/56676.php

Lena Blok - The Hague - 09-02-1924-26-01-1943 - photo - www.geni.com/people/Lena-Blok/6000000020918668001
Eliazar Bobbe - The Hague - 05-07-1901-31-01-1943 - no photo - www.geni.com/people/Eliazar-Bobbe/6000000020181540296
Henri Isaac Bouthoorn - The Hague (!) - 12-05-1942 (!) - 02-11-1942 - no photo, was a baby of just 6 months old! - www.geni.com/people/Henri-Isaac-Bouthoorn/6000000015799451106
Ludwig Arthur Speijer - Westerbork (!) - 07-08-1943-17-09-1943 - no photo, was a baby of just 1 month+ old! born in transit camp Westerbork and died 1+ month later in Auschwitz - www.geni.com/people/Ludwig-Speijer/6000000024400694461

So this list is FAR from complete. 100% of my family members with A and B missing, 1944 missing and many many many more... :(
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The Holocaust 26 Apr 2016 18:50 #2155

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Just to say

I know for sure the Holocaust is a fiction transplanted onto a much more prosaic reality - internment / work camps

The proof I will use is the absence of Prussian Blue in walls of alleged gas chambers, and saturation of Prussian Blue in the delousing chambers from exact same (alleged) gas..

I am a chemist and know what should be there.

That is the WTC7 of Holohoax

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It's there to cover the news up

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First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

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The Holocaust 26 Apr 2016 19:27 #2156

The Wilkomirski Affair: How a Holocaust Hoaxer was Rewarded for his Lies

By Prof. Arthur R. Butz,
acclaimed author of The Hoax of the Twentieth Century

This classic article gets a new airing here, updated with pictures, captions and brief commentary by Lasha Darkmoon.



HOLOCAUST HOAXER BINJAMIN WILKOMIRSKI,
richly rewarded by the Jews with money and fame—
even after he had been outed as a hoaxer.

The story of the impostor “Binjamin Wilkomirski” has been generally well known for almost two years, but new revelations were coming out as late as last fall. I think there are some aspects of it that deserve added stress and contemplation. There is more here than the tale of a con man being nabbed.

In 1996 a book appeared, authored by Binjamin Wilkomirski, entitled Fragments: Memories of a Childhood 1939-1948. It had been published the previous year, in its original German. In this book the author related that he was born a Jew in Latvia and was separated from his parents at age three, was sent to German concentration camps, to Majdanek, then Auschwitz, where he endured a living hell. Liberated at the end of the war, he was adopted by a Swiss family named Dössekker, from which he took the name Bruno Dössekker.

His memoirs, which immediately won wide acclaim, were promoted by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and won the National Jewish Book Award for 1996. In France his book won the Prix Mémoirs de la Shoah, and in Britain the Jewish Quarterly literary prize.

Eventually his tale was supported by a woman named Laura Grabowski, who said she was also a Jewish survivor of Auschwitz and remembered Wilkomirski: “He’s my Binji, that’s all I know” she said.33 She had her own tale of suffering at Auschwitz at the hands of Josef Mengele and other Germans, and the scars to prove it. Wilkomirski and Grabowski went on lecture and concert tours individually and together.

Raul Hilberg appears to have been an early skeptic. Swiss Jewish journalist Daniel Ganzfried heard rumors that Wilkomirski’s story was not true. He investigated and determined that the Latvian Jew “Binjamin Wilkomirski” was actually a Swiss gentile, born on February 12, 1941, to an unwed Swiss mother named Yvonne Berthe Grosjean, and later adopted by the Dössekker family. He was never incarcerated at Auschwitz. Ganzfried’s expose was published in the Swiss weekly Weltwoche during August and September 1998. Wilkomirski subsequently refused to submit to a DNA comparison with Max Grosjean, Yvonne’s brother.34

Laura Grabowski was exposed as a fraud in October 1999 by the Christian magazine Cornerstone. Her real name was Laurel Rose Willson, born to Christian parents on August 14, 1941, in Washington state, and of course she was never incarcerated at Auschwitz. She had earlier written books under the name Lauren Stratford, claiming she had suffered ritual satanic abuse, citing the same scars which she later claimed were inflicted by Mengele. (The scars were apparently self-inflicted.) As such she appeared on talk shows such as Oprah to relate her ordeals. When she decided that she would also be Laura Grabowski, she transposed the stories of ritual satanic abuse to the new setting Auschwitz.35

An important observation is that the downfalls of Dössekker and Willson did not come about because their claimed experiences were determined to be phony. Though Ganzfried and others thought there was something fishy about Wilkomirski’s story in itself, for example, his claim that as a lone Jewish child, four years old, he was able to survive the “Holocaust,” they were nailed on the issue of identity. They are gentiles who were not in a German concentration camp during World War II; they only visited them years later. Read More Here
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‘Anything that happens to the Jews they will exaggerate’



Israeli filmmaker heads to the West Bank to document what Palestinians think of the Holocaust





What do average Palestinians think about the Holocaust, if they know about it at all? Amateur Israeli filmmaker Corey Gil-Shuster, who moved to Israel from Canada 15 years ago, set out to the West Bank to find out as part of his YouTube series, “Ask an Israeli, ask a Palestinian.”

The results, unscientific though they were, weren’t especially encouraging.

There were three types of answers that surfaced during his interviews: lack of knowledge about the Holocaust, the view that the Holocaust happened but was exaggerated or is what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians now, or the idea that Adolf Hitler was right for killing Jews.


Read more: www.timesofisrael.com/anything-that-happens-to-the-jews-they-will-exaggerate/

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The Holocaust 27 Apr 2016 22:02 #2158

Questioning The Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part 1 of 2) examines the unbelievable "gas shower" claims and how images of concentration camp prisoners directly killed by Allied air attacks are cynically exploited to promote "The Holocaust."

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The Holocaust 27 Apr 2016 22:50 #2159

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I haven't heard of this movie before... but just look at this disgusting piece of propaganda...

You can’t understand the world without understanding the Truth of WW2 and you can’t truly understand WW2 without understanding the Truth of WW1. And to get the full picture you need to understand who the German people were as a race and culture before these world wars were created to crush them.

Germany did not start WW1 or WW2… the Germans have been the victims.
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Flare I think this movie is just published so it is new - part 2 still not done, it appears?


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