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TOPIC: Dr.Alberto Rivera : The Prophet Muhammad. and other Jesuit secrets.

Dr.Alberto Rivera : The Prophet Muhammad. and other Jesuit secrets. 03 Oct 2014 10:10 #1

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''Alberto Magno Romero Rivera (September 19, 1935 – June 20, 1997) was an anti-Catholic religious
activist who was the source of many of the conspiracy theories about the Vatican espoused by
fundamentalist Christian author Jack Chick.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Rivera

The Prophet, Muhammad
''What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a
Jesuit priest, under oath and induction.
A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics
wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic
location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure.
A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city. The great untapped
source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael.
The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the Powers of Darkness.

''Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel, setting up small churches, but they met heavy
opposition.
Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread.
But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 A.D. Roman armies under General Titus smashed
Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship
On this holy place, where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands today
as Islam's second most holy place.
Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion, and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it
was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless, as they continued to lay down
their lives for the gospel of Christ.
The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the
work of God.
The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon, and all it needed was a
face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the "early church fathers".
It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was
eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary.
The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called "Vaticanus" - the place of
diving serpent where the satanic Temple of Janus stood.

''The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother
of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth" (Revelation 17:5). She was raised up to block the gospel,
slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars, and make the nations drunk with the
wine of her fornication as we will see. ''

''In the beginning, Arab visitors would bring gifts to the "House of God" and the keepers of the Kaaba
were gracious to all who came. Some brought their idols and, not wanting to offend these people,
their idols were placed inside the sanctuary.
It is said that the Jews looked upon the Kaaba as an outlying tabernacle of the Lord, with veneration
until it became polluted with idols.''

''In a tribal contention over a well (Zamzam) the treasure of the Kaaba and the offerings that pilgrims
had given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand; it disappeared.
Many years later Adb al-Muttalib was given visions telling him where to find the well and its treasure.
He became the hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of Muhammad.''
Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and was effective in winning Arabs to
Roman Catholicism, including whole tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the
concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.
After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk
learned of his identity and said:
"Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by God, if they see him
and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this
brother's son of yours."
The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the
followers of Muhammad.

''The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked
by the Jews.
Roman Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition. Somehow the Vatican
had to create a weapon to eliminate both the Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to
accept Roman Catholicism. Looking to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a source of
manpower to do their dirty work.
Some Arabs had become Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to leaders in
Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to carry out Rome's master plan to control
the great multitudes of Arabs who rejected Catholicism.''

''When "St. Augustine" appeared on the scene, he knew what was going on. His monasteries served as
bases to seek out and destroy Bible manuscripts owned by the true Christians.
The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader,
a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him,
creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

''A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama.
She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was
given an assignment.
She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and
become the messiah for the children of Ishmael.
Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic, and the Vatican
placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works
of St. Augustine, which prepared him for his "great calling". The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across
North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the
chosen one of their God.
While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only
true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were
actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.
Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped
interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came
against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.
Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia, where Negus, the Roman Catholic king,
accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic
doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.
Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols.
History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the moon-god
who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses, who were worshipped throughout
the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah". An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in the 1950s shows
Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest.
Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told:
"You are the messenger of Allah."
This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died,
the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah
and his prophet, Muhammad.
Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published.
They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.''

When Cardinal Bea shared this information with us in the Vatican, he said:

These writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam."
Both sides have so much information on each other that, if exposed, it could create such a scandal that
it would be a disaster for both religions
In their "holy" book, the Koran, Christ is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was his representative
on Earth, then he also must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and
respect the pope as another "holy man".
The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer
the nations of North Africa.''

''The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:
1.Eliminate the Jews and Christians (the latter were regarded as true believers, which they called infidels)
2.Protect the Augustinian monks and Roman Catholics
3.Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican
As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous.

''Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands.
Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked
for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial!''

''Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice.
The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's
name. As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the
Rock, in Ishmael's honor, on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D.
This made Jerusalem the second most holy place in the Islamic faith.
How could they give such a sacred shrine to the pope without causing a revolt?
The pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling
"His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah, and now
they turned toward Europe.
Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade
European countries. The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the
world was considered the basic right of the pope.
He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.
The pope raised up his armies and called them "crusades" to hold back the children of Ishmael from
grabbing Catholic Europe.''

''Cardinal Bea told us in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholics agreed to block
and destroy the efforts of their common enemy: Bible-believing Christian missionaries.
Through these concordats, Satan blocked the children of Ishmael from a knowledge of scripture and
the truth.
The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before this,
they had co-existed peacefully. A light control was kept on Muslims - from the Ayatollah, down through
the Islamic priests, nuns, and monks.

''The next plan was to control Islam. In 1910, Portugal was going Socialistic. Red flags were appearing
and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the Church.
The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in
pulling Islam to the Mother Church. In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a
smashing success, playing to overflow crowds. As a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.
Roman Catholics worldwide began praying for the conversion of Russia, and the Jesuits invented the
novenas to Fatima, which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to
the Muslim world.
The Arabs thought they were honoring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them
to believe.
As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox
religion, and make Russia Roman Catholic. A few years after he lost World War II, Pope Pius XII startled
the world with his phony "dancing Sun" vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great religious show biz
and the world swallowed''

''As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army worldwide, totaling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the Blessed Virgin. But we haven't seen anything yet. The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia, and major appearance in the U.S.

What has this got to do with Islam?

Note Bishop Sheen's statement:
"Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims.
After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she 'is the most holy of all women in Paradise,
next to Mary.'
He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as Our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that
the Muslims who believe in Christ's virgin birth, will come to believe in his divinity."
Bishop Sheen pointed out that the pilgrim virgin statues of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically
received by Muslims in Africa, India, and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the
Roman Catholic Church.

DR. ALBERTO RIVERA
1988
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican33.htm

Who wrote Mein Kampf ?

''The Widow Of Former Jesuit Priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera, Said The Vatican And Jesuit Order Killed
Her Husband, Then Wanted To Dig Up His Bones, Taking Them Back To the Vatican.
Nury Rivera came forward with conviction and courage Monday on international radio, saying her husband was assassinated by the evil Jesuit Order.
They poisoned him and I am 100 per cent sure of that," said the widow of the late high level Jesuit priest,
Fr. Alberto Rivera, killed in the early 1990's after defecting from Vatican treachery and trying to tell the
truth about the real intentions and satanic practices of the Jesuit Order.''

''According to the late Jesuit priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera, a fellow Jesuit named Fr. Staempfle wrote
Mein Kampf, as the stage was being set for Germany's new Roman Catholic star, Adolf Hitler.

''Rivera learned many hidden truths about the Jesuits and the Vatican, but none were more important
than the story behind Hitler's rise to power.
"Two things the Vatican despises are Protestantism and Democracy.
The Jesuits were then called upon to stop this new Weimer Republic. Two men then destroyed it:
One was Franz Von Papan and the other was Pacelli, who later become Pope Pius XII."
Rivera then claims how he read in the secret Vatican how the stage was then set for Germany's
new Roman Catholic star, Adolf Hitler, as a Jesuit priest by the name of Fr. Staempfle actually
wrote Mein Kampf, the book being the master plan of the Jesuits for Hitler's takeover of Germany.

''The symbol for this new inquisition was the Swastika, which of course was a Masonic symbol.
According to Rivera's research, Hitler was the Vatican's choice, just like Lech Walesa in Poland
and the new American neo-con regime.
With this powerful backing, Hitler was destined to triumph as his close associates all had one thing in
common: They were all Roman Catholics and loyal to the Vatican and according to Rivera,
"all had Jewish blood in their veins, including Pacelli, the man who later became Pope Pius XII.
When it became known that Pope Pius XI supported Hitler, the Roman Catholic vote swept Hitler
into power in 1933."
The world now faced a terrible machine called the Third Reich, in which the Vatican became the
master.
www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/20-Feb-2007.html

''As for Hitler's infamous book "Mein Kampf" was re-written by Jesuit priest named Father Staempfe,
who made the book understandable and coherent. Ex-Jesuit priest Dr Alberto Rivera stated:
The Jesuits are the masters of deceit. The Vatican took over 1,000 Roman Catholic Jews, and hid them
under the hills of the Vatican for the duration of the war. Why? Just in case Hitler lost". "The Vatican
always covered itself in case its plans should backfire. That way, they could proclaim to the world that
they protected the Jews from Hitler." {The Godfathers pg 21} Adolf Hitler's parents were Roman Catholics
and despite modern day dis-information, Hitler was a son of the Roman Catholic Church. ''

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Alberto Rivera ...

THE RELIGIOUS HOAX OF THE CENTURY?
In a recent EN book review I expressed regret that the author had been taken in by the false claims of Alberto Rivera. An overseas reader asked for more details of what was perhaps the most successful religious literary hoax of the past century.
www.e-n.org.uk/2000/11/features/the-religious-hoax-of-the-century/
A Letter on Alberto Rivera: Fraud or Failure to act as a Christian?

(Editor's note: Alberto Rivera claimed to be a Jesuit Priest, his story is being published by Chick publications, but the real story about him is written in this letter by a person who actually knew him personally and worked in his ministry. One final note, Alberto Rivera has passed away some years ago, also more insight about his life contained in another letter can be found at;

Alberto Rivera: More Insight on This Man's Life

To Eric and others in this debate regarding Rivera,

This letter is to address the person of Alberto Rivera and more directly, why I as one that worked with him know that he was not only not a Christian but also not a Catholic Priest, Jesuit or any other kind within the Roman Catholic System.

My permission is granted to forward this email to anyone that is interesting in knowing whether Rivera was really a Christian leader or a fraud posing as a converted Jesuit Priest.

I shall be very direct and blunt in this letter as it is time to stop with endless discussion of side issues that are ignoring the fact that Rivera was a wolf in sheep's clothing, that appeared as an minister of righteousness and deceived many that had left Romanism or were trying to witness to Roman Catholics. It would be easy for me to write many pages of things regarding Rivera but I shall limit this a 10 major points. Most of the people that receive this email have request and received my documentation on Rivera, so they are aware of Rivera's actions while professing to be converted and his conduct as an Elder/Pastor of a congregation. Just for the record, neither Eric or anyone else that ordered the material has kept their word and paid for the cost of copying all the documentation and for cost of postage. Now to move on to the subject of the person of Alberto Rivera.

#1. No one defending Rivera has addressed the fact that Rivera didn't know Latin. He was unable to read or write Latin and only knew certain phases. In previous emails I stated how while I was under Rivera at AIC, at his direction I tried to get Robert Champaign (a former priest whose testimony is in print) to join AIC so he could do Latin translation for the books that were being sent to AIC from around the world. Rivera not knowing Latin isn't something that can just be dismissed. I was troubled by this fact and actually asked him about this at one time and because I wanted to believe in him, I blindly accepted his excuse of problems with Latin being caused by brain trauma from all the tormenting done to him by the Jesuits, and from when he was in the Iron Long.

#2. This following comment is for those that profess to hold the doctrines of grace. Just how corrupt in one's personal life should one be, and just how many false doctrines can a man preach before you see by their fruit they are still in their sins and in darkness? For anyone to know of Rivera's conduct of abusing his followers over many years and his false doctrines (either of these in themselves reveal his true state) and yet still view him as a Christian shows a lack of sound judgment and reveals a pre-conceived bias that prevents them from seeing Rivera in his true light. I know that people loved the way Rivera spoke against Romanism but his false doctrines and corrupt life can't be overlooked or dismissed as just personal failings.

#3. The burden of proof is on the one making claims that they have special training or education. The burden is not on those that reject his claims to prove a negative. If those who defend Rivera and put the bar so high before accepting information showing that Rivera was lying about his testimony would require even 50% of this same standard from those supporting Rivera, they would never accept him. Eric, you are wrong to say the burden is on Derek or myself to prove Rivera was a fraud. Those that support him should be willing to prove he is for real and be able to clearly show that the claims against him are false based on facts, not with personal attacks. Over and over, defenders of Rivera say that his accusers are attacking the man but not his message, therefore Rivera is real.

In reality, many of those that have sought to expose Rivera, including myself agree with much of what Rivera preached about Romanism, but we know the man to be a fraud. How do the defenders of Rivera normally react. The do what they accuse those exposing Rivera of doing, they attack the people exposing Rivera (some time those exposing Rivera with fact are in themselves unsound in doctrine) and they ignore the evidence they bring forth. I know this first hand and while at AIC I found it easy to dismiss evidence against Rivera because I didn't like the source that provided it. Sadly, I found out that many false professors in the ecumenical movement had done good research into Rivera's life story but I dismissed it because they were not Christians. This continues to be the path of Rivera's supporters to this day. To defend Rivera, it should be done with real evidence, not by attacking those that are presenting the facts.

One can't sight Rivera's efforts in exposing Romanism as proof that he was for real. You must cite things regarding the man himself, his life, things he did, where he got his training, official documents that stand up to examination, etc, etc. Jack Chick has a history of publishing sensational stories that proved to be false testimonies, such as John Todd and the Closet Witches (Rebecca Brown and Elaine). This should be an alarm bell in itself. Chick should have been required to provide significant proof Rivera is for real. Based on the fact that Chick has printed fraudulent testimonies in the past, it is very risky to accept Chick's response the he knows Rivera was for real because he prayed about it.

#4. Roy Livesey is not the issue and who Roy is or isn't hasn't anything to do with whether Rivera is for real or not. He did an excellent job of investigating Rivera's life and hopefully some day his work is made widely available. Once again, Eric you have a tendency to make rash accusations which later prove to be false. Just as you were quick to make rash comments about Shaun Willcock that you had to retract once you found out that he had written books exposing the Jesuits' efforts in the ANC take-over of South Africa, you have written to others and said that those that sued Rivera should have used their money to fund the publishing of Roy's book instead of paying a lawyer. To begin with, Roy didn't have a draft manuscript about Rivera done back in May 1990 at the time of the trial date. Additional reasons your judgments were faulty in this opinion:

#1. I would never have paid one cent to sue Rivera because I knew I would never collect when I won a judgment (which is what happened).

#2. The sister-in-law of the other person in the lawsuit handled the case for us for free.

#3. It didn't take much legal work to prove Rivera to be a fraud and a liar.

#4. I only joined in on the lawsuit so that Rivera's actions as a liar and a deceiver would be on public record. He always challenged people to take him to court and pointed at the lack of convictions of proof that he was telling the truth and that others were the liars. It wasn't just a few people deceived or left unpaid as Eric seems to imply in one of his emails. To dismiss it as simple a matter of not paying off a few loans doesn't reflect what took place. We are talking more than just not paying bills, lying, taking money under false pretenses, and not paying loans which means he took advantage of people that trusted him and believed he was a man called of God. The medical doctor, the former Deacon in Rivera's congregation whom you told someone should have been able to finance Roy's book, had 'given' and 'donated', so much to Rivera and went in debt to borrow money (against his house and on his credit cards) at Rivera's request that he put himself and his family in extreme debt that took him years after leaving AIC to recover.

#5. Roy Livesey: As to Roy financial state which Eric as talked about at length based on his assumptions, it isn't something I know first hand other than my experiences with him. But whatever his state is these days doesn't matter. Roy has many blind spots, but to those that are so quick to throw out charges against Roy as if he was some secret agent of Rome and to those that are quick to believe these claims should find it odd that he provided a copy of his draft book to Alberto Rivera, Jack Chick, and Jonas Shepherd. Roy has not found a publisher for his book on Rivera.

I'm very surprised that some of you find this so far fetched. Jack Chick sure wasn't going to print it and admit that he has published a false testimony for years. He has never retracted the other false testimonies in his comics and continues to sell them. Ecumenical places are not going to print it because the book isn't ecumenical. Those that do publish books exposing Romanism don't want to touch it as they seem to fear it is contrary to their purpose of exposing Catholicism. So, just who would be in their interests to publish it give it wide distribution to get protestants fighting among themselves. If Roy was a agent of Rome, why would he not be able to have the book published by a Catholic publisher or have it published by one the secular publishers that the Jesuits control? But again, Roy is not the issue here and blasting attacks on him only diverts from the evidence provided by Rivera himself that shows him to be unsound and unconverted.

I wanted to make Roy's book available in photocopy form but Roy preferred a professional job and as the author, that is his right. I also can't blame him for not wanting any thing to do Eric or this email court after how quickly he saw members blast away at people without any proof and the false assumptions made over and over about other people's actions. Personally, I wouldn't have help to fund any effort to publish Roy's book because I felt that if a person couldn't see through Rivera based on his conduct and abuse of Christians along with his false doctrine on things not related to Romanism, then they wouldn't be swayed by the details of Rivera's life story.

If they dismissed his actions as a professed converted Jesuit as just personal failings, then they would just assume any negative story published about his life was just slander and the work of Jesuits to discredit him. I think the reaction of some reading this email proves my thinking is correct. Jonas Shepherd himself is the one that made me see that those that oppose Romanism and want to profit from the use of Chick's comics would take this course of actions. Harry and Tina Barrett were very kind whose company I enjoyed and they are lovely people but they were willing to overlook Rivera's conduct when they came to AIC in Los Angeles back in the late 80s because they believe Rivera was a man called of God to expose the Pope.

#6. If you listen to the tape I sent out entitled "Is Alberto Rivera for Real", you will hear his rantings for yourself and some heretical statements, not to mention his arrogance and lack of humility.

#7. You can't biblical judge whether a man is saved or not based on his position regarding Alberto Rivera. One cannot show that Rivera's life revealed the marks of grace and he is not a prophet or apostle from the scriptures but many seem to hold him in such high esteem. Charles Chiniquy's books were of great value to me, especially "50 years in the Church of Rome", because it spoke to me as a former Roman Catholic as he struggled with what the scriptures taught and what he held as a Catholic. Now, to Eric and others that blast away so quickly in making charges at men that don't agree with them, I don't see them holding Chiniquy to the same standard. In his book "40 years in the Church of Christ", he details a close relationship with members of Masonic Lodges. He was defended by them and preached at their temples. In my opinion, while it saddens me greatly that Chiniquy had any involvement with Freemasons, I believe in his ignorance he looked to the American Mason as the Protestant equivalent of the Roman Catholic Knights of Columbus.

#8. There is much I know about Rivera that I have not discussed but I didn't see a need to continue on and on over every detail. There should be enough in the documentation I've sent out and in both my tape, "Is Alberto Rivera for Real", and Shaun Willcock's tape, "Alberto Rivera - A False Brother", to make the brethren aware that Rivera was not what he professed to be. He was not a Christian man and all other judgments about Rivera should begin with that fact.

#9. I remain open to questions about the material I've provided or my experiences with Rivera and those who were involved with AIC during those years. Rivera did my Baptism after I left Romanism and he is in all my wedding pictures and video. I idolized him and felt very privilege and probably even a sinful amount of pride that I was the right hand man for a time for whom I thought was God's greatest servant since the Reformation in exposing Romanism. The heartache and pain I went though after realizing that I had been deceived and blinded by him was a time of great trial and weeping before the Lord. It was very humbling, but the Lord delivered me and I learned an important lesson about 'balance' and 'preaching the whole council of God'.

#10. The Vatican is the Mother of Harlots, the denominations and other false religions are her daughters, and the Jesuits are her most evil servants, this I know and preach along with the person of Christ and the duty of believers in seeking after holiness. This experience with Rivera taught me that there are many that will unite together against the Pope and his false religion but there are few of them that unite in humbleness before Christ, who hold sound doctrine and walk in the light themselves.

To those that might accuse me of being a secret servant of Rome, or soft on the Jesuit or other type of slander, I would say they are ignorant of my testimony, our ministry, and how I spend my life witnessing to people to come out of the Great Whore and for Christian to separate themselves from her sinful practices. To help educate people on our ministry, I have copied an article that was written for Derek's TCS magazine and pasted it below. A better copy with the proper words bolded and italized can be read by downloading the attached Word document.
www.thebibleistheotherside.org/lettersp5.htm

Jack Chick's Lies: The Real Alberto Rivera (with a letter from an Alberto supporter and counter-reply)

"The most godly man I ever met"
Jack T. Chick

Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines:

1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.
2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
socrates58.blogspot.com.au/2007/03/jack-chicks-lies-real-alberto-rivera.html

WORD TO OTHER POSTERS. PLEASE DON'T BOTHER WITH THIS THREAD. IT IS A BLATANT TROLL THREAD.

RIVERA WAS DEBUNKED DECADES AGO BUT PROVIDED THE BS BASIS FOR THE CRAP PUMPED OUT BY JACK T CHICK. THAT BS THEN HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY ZIONIST DIAMOND SELLERS LIKE ERIC JOHN PHELPS.

TROLL THREAD ... BEST TO IGNORE.
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Oh dear Cinta ... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Alberto Rivera ...

THE RELIGIOUS HOAX OF THE CENTURY?
In a recent EN book review I expressed regret that the author had been taken in by the false claims of Alberto Rivera. An overseas reader asked for more details of what was perhaps the most successful religious literary hoax of the past century.
www.e-n.org.uk/2000/11/features/the-religious-hoax-of-the-century/
A Letter on Alberto Rivera: Fraud or Failure to act as a Christian?

(Editor's note: Alberto Rivera claimed to be a Jesuit Priest, his story is being published by Chick publications, but the real story about him is written in this letter by a person who actually knew him personally and worked in his ministry. One final note, Alberto Rivera has passed away some years ago, also more insight about his life contained in another letter can be found at;

Alberto Rivera: More Insight on This Man's Life

To Eric and others in this debate regarding Rivera,

This letter is to address the person of Alberto Rivera and more directly, why I as one that worked with him know that he was not only not a Christian but also not a Catholic Priest, Jesuit or any other kind within the Roman Catholic System.

My permission is granted to forward this email to anyone that is interesting in knowing whether Rivera was really a Christian leader or a fraud posing as a converted Jesuit Priest.

I shall be very direct and blunt in this letter as it is time to stop with endless discussion of side issues that are ignoring the fact that Rivera was a wolf in sheep's clothing, that appeared as an minister of righteousness and deceived many that had left Romanism or were trying to witness to Roman Catholics. It would be easy for me to write many pages of things regarding Rivera but I shall limit this a 10 major points. Most of the people that receive this email have request and received my documentation on Rivera, so they are aware of Rivera's actions while professing to be converted and his conduct as an Elder/Pastor of a congregation. Just for the record, neither Eric or anyone else that ordered the material has kept their word and paid for the cost of copying all the documentation and for cost of postage. Now to move on to the subject of the person of Alberto Rivera.

#1. No one defending Rivera has addressed the fact that Rivera didn't know Latin. He was unable to read or write Latin and only knew certain phases. In previous emails I stated how while I was under Rivera at AIC, at his direction I tried to get Robert Champaign (a former priest whose testimony is in print) to join AIC so he could do Latin translation for the books that were being sent to AIC from around the world. Rivera not knowing Latin isn't something that can just be dismissed. I was troubled by this fact and actually asked him about this at one time and because I wanted to believe in him, I blindly accepted his excuse of problems with Latin being caused by brain trauma from all the tormenting done to him by the Jesuits, and from when he was in the Iron Long.

#2. This following comment is for those that profess to hold the doctrines of grace. Just how corrupt in one's personal life should one be, and just how many false doctrines can a man preach before you see by their fruit they are still in their sins and in darkness? For anyone to know of Rivera's conduct of abusing his followers over many years and his false doctrines (either of these in themselves reveal his true state) and yet still view him as a Christian shows a lack of sound judgment and reveals a pre-conceived bias that prevents them from seeing Rivera in his true light. I know that people loved the way Rivera spoke against Romanism but his false doctrines and corrupt life can't be overlooked or dismissed as just personal failings.

#3. The burden of proof is on the one making claims that they have special training or education. The burden is not on those that reject his claims to prove a negative. If those who defend Rivera and put the bar so high before accepting information showing that Rivera was lying about his testimony would require even 50% of this same standard from those supporting Rivera, they would never accept him. Eric, you are wrong to say the burden is on Derek or myself to prove Rivera was a fraud. Those that support him should be willing to prove he is for real and be able to clearly show that the claims against him are false based on facts, not with personal attacks. Over and over, defenders of Rivera say that his accusers are attacking the man but not his message, therefore Rivera is real.

In reality, many of those that have sought to expose Rivera, including myself agree with much of what Rivera preached about Romanism, but we know the man to be a fraud. How do the defenders of Rivera normally react. The do what they accuse those exposing Rivera of doing, they attack the people exposing Rivera (some time those exposing Rivera with fact are in themselves unsound in doctrine) and they ignore the evidence they bring forth. I know this first hand and while at AIC I found it easy to dismiss evidence against Rivera because I didn't like the source that provided it. Sadly, I found out that many false professors in the ecumenical movement had done good research into Rivera's life story but I dismissed it because they were not Christians. This continues to be the path of Rivera's supporters to this day. To defend Rivera, it should be done with real evidence, not by attacking those that are presenting the facts.

One can't sight Rivera's efforts in exposing Romanism as proof that he was for real. You must cite things regarding the man himself, his life, things he did, where he got his training, official documents that stand up to examination, etc, etc. Jack Chick has a history of publishing sensational stories that proved to be false testimonies, such as John Todd and the Closet Witches (Rebecca Brown and Elaine). This should be an alarm bell in itself. Chick should have been required to provide significant proof Rivera is for real. Based on the fact that Chick has printed fraudulent testimonies in the past, it is very risky to accept Chick's response the he knows Rivera was for real because he prayed about it.

#4. Roy Livesey is not the issue and who Roy is or isn't hasn't anything to do with whether Rivera is for real or not. He did an excellent job of investigating Rivera's life and hopefully some day his work is made widely available. Once again, Eric you have a tendency to make rash accusations which later prove to be false. Just as you were quick to make rash comments about Shaun Willcock that you had to retract once you found out that he had written books exposing the Jesuits' efforts in the ANC take-over of South Africa, you have written to others and said that those that sued Rivera should have used their money to fund the publishing of Roy's book instead of paying a lawyer. To begin with, Roy didn't have a draft manuscript about Rivera done back in May 1990 at the time of the trial date. Additional reasons your judgments were faulty in this opinion:

#1. I would never have paid one cent to sue Rivera because I knew I would never collect when I won a judgment (which is what happened).

#2. The sister-in-law of the other person in the lawsuit handled the case for us for free.

#3. It didn't take much legal work to prove Rivera to be a fraud and a liar.

#4. I only joined in on the lawsuit so that Rivera's actions as a liar and a deceiver would be on public record. He always challenged people to take him to court and pointed at the lack of convictions of proof that he was telling the truth and that others were the liars. It wasn't just a few people deceived or left unpaid as Eric seems to imply in one of his emails. To dismiss it as simple a matter of not paying off a few loans doesn't reflect what took place. We are talking more than just not paying bills, lying, taking money under false pretenses, and not paying loans which means he took advantage of people that trusted him and believed he was a man called of God. The medical doctor, the former Deacon in Rivera's congregation whom you told someone should have been able to finance Roy's book, had 'given' and 'donated', so much to Rivera and went in debt to borrow money (against his house and on his credit cards) at Rivera's request that he put himself and his family in extreme debt that took him years after leaving AIC to recover.

#5. Roy Livesey: As to Roy financial state which Eric as talked about at length based on his assumptions, it isn't something I know first hand other than my experiences with him. But whatever his state is these days doesn't matter. Roy has many blind spots, but to those that are so quick to throw out charges against Roy as if he was some secret agent of Rome and to those that are quick to believe these claims should find it odd that he provided a copy of his draft book to Alberto Rivera, Jack Chick, and Jonas Shepherd. Roy has not found a publisher for his book on Rivera.

I'm very surprised that some of you find this so far fetched. Jack Chick sure wasn't going to print it and admit that he has published a false testimony for years. He has never retracted the other false testimonies in his comics and continues to sell them. Ecumenical places are not going to print it because the book isn't ecumenical. Those that do publish books exposing Romanism don't want to touch it as they seem to fear it is contrary to their purpose of exposing Catholicism. So, just who would be in their interests to publish it give it wide distribution to get protestants fighting among themselves. If Roy was a agent of Rome, why would he not be able to have the book published by a Catholic publisher or have it published by one the secular publishers that the Jesuits control? But again, Roy is not the issue here and blasting attacks on him only diverts from the evidence provided by Rivera himself that shows him to be unsound and unconverted.

I wanted to make Roy's book available in photocopy form but Roy preferred a professional job and as the author, that is his right. I also can't blame him for not wanting any thing to do Eric or this email court after how quickly he saw members blast away at people without any proof and the false assumptions made over and over about other people's actions. Personally, I wouldn't have help to fund any effort to publish Roy's book because I felt that if a person couldn't see through Rivera based on his conduct and abuse of Christians along with his false doctrine on things not related to Romanism, then they wouldn't be swayed by the details of Rivera's life story.

If they dismissed his actions as a professed converted Jesuit as just personal failings, then they would just assume any negative story published about his life was just slander and the work of Jesuits to discredit him. I think the reaction of some reading this email proves my thinking is correct. Jonas Shepherd himself is the one that made me see that those that oppose Romanism and want to profit from the use of Chick's comics would take this course of actions. Harry and Tina Barrett were very kind whose company I enjoyed and they are lovely people but they were willing to overlook Rivera's conduct when they came to AIC in Los Angeles back in the late 80s because they believe Rivera was a man called of God to expose the Pope.

#6. If you listen to the tape I sent out entitled "Is Alberto Rivera for Real", you will hear his rantings for yourself and some heretical statements, not to mention his arrogance and lack of humility.

#7. You can't biblical judge whether a man is saved or not based on his position regarding Alberto Rivera. One cannot show that Rivera's life revealed the marks of grace and he is not a prophet or apostle from the scriptures but many seem to hold him in such high esteem. Charles Chiniquy's books were of great value to me, especially "50 years in the Church of Rome", because it spoke to me as a former Roman Catholic as he struggled with what the scriptures taught and what he held as a Catholic. Now, to Eric and others that blast away so quickly in making charges at men that don't agree with them, I don't see them holding Chiniquy to the same standard. In his book "40 years in the Church of Christ", he details a close relationship with members of Masonic Lodges. He was defended by them and preached at their temples. In my opinion, while it saddens me greatly that Chiniquy had any involvement with Freemasons, I believe in his ignorance he looked to the American Mason as the Protestant equivalent of the Roman Catholic Knights of Columbus.

#8. There is much I know about Rivera that I have not discussed but I didn't see a need to continue on and on over every detail. There should be enough in the documentation I've sent out and in both my tape, "Is Alberto Rivera for Real", and Shaun Willcock's tape, "Alberto Rivera - A False Brother", to make the brethren aware that Rivera was not what he professed to be. He was not a Christian man and all other judgments about Rivera should begin with that fact.

#9. I remain open to questions about the material I've provided or my experiences with Rivera and those who were involved with AIC during those years. Rivera did my Baptism after I left Romanism and he is in all my wedding pictures and video. I idolized him and felt very privilege and probably even a sinful amount of pride that I was the right hand man for a time for whom I thought was God's greatest servant since the Reformation in exposing Romanism. The heartache and pain I went though after realizing that I had been deceived and blinded by him was a time of great trial and weeping before the Lord. It was very humbling, but the Lord delivered me and I learned an important lesson about 'balance' and 'preaching the whole council of God'.

#10. The Vatican is the Mother of Harlots, the denominations and other false religions are her daughters, and the Jesuits are her most evil servants, this I know and preach along with the person of Christ and the duty of believers in seeking after holiness. This experience with Rivera taught me that there are many that will unite together against the Pope and his false religion but there are few of them that unite in humbleness before Christ, who hold sound doctrine and walk in the light themselves.

To those that might accuse me of being a secret servant of Rome, or soft on the Jesuit or other type of slander, I would say they are ignorant of my testimony, our ministry, and how I spend my life witnessing to people to come out of the Great Whore and for Christian to separate themselves from her sinful practices. To help educate people on our ministry, I have copied an article that was written for Derek's TCS magazine and pasted it below. A better copy with the proper words bolded and italized can be read by downloading the attached Word document.
www.thebibleistheotherside.org/lettersp5.htm

Jack Chick's Lies: The Real Alberto Rivera (with a letter from an Alberto supporter and counter-reply)

"The most godly man I ever met"
Jack T. Chick

Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines:

1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.
2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
socrates58.blogspot.com.au/2007/03/jack-chicks-lies-real-alberto-rivera.html

WORD TO OTHER POSTERS. PLEASE DON'T BOTHER WITH THIS THREAD. IT IS A BLATANT TROLL THREAD.

RIVERA WAS DEBUNKED DECADES AGO BUT PROVIDED THE BS BASIS FOR THE CRAP PUMPED OUT BY JACK T CHICK. THAT BS THEN HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY ZIONIST DIAMOND SELLERS LIKE ERIC JOHN PHELPS.

TROLL THREAD ... BEST TO IGNORE.
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''This I. D. card was issued by the Spanish government in Spain in 1967, under the rule of the Spanish dictator Franco.
His security forces were equally as strict as the Gestapo had been in Germany. To obtain this document, Alberto had to
supply birth certificate, identification papers and positive proof from his archdiocese of being a priest.
Several security organizations were involved, similar to our CIA and FBI. The priest, Alberto Rivera, had to be approved
by all of these organizations to receive this document. There was no way it could have been a forgery.
There is no question he was a priest. What you see here is positive proof.
This document was granted by a government that had pledged absolute submission to the pope through the concordat
signed by the government of Spain and the Vatican. ''
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@Orangeaid said:
Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips,
was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz,

Who is Gary Metz?

''Gary Metz and his false accounts are the only source of an attempt to debunk
Alberto Rivera anywhere, notice how he only attacks Alberto Rivera as a person
and fails to attack Rivera´s evidence and documents. Let us see who this
Gary Metz is and what type of people he associates and helps and recieves help
in return from, we will also see Gary Metz´s connections.

We will now analyze Gary Metz through a guide containing screenshots, look
closely at them and you will see Gary Metz´s connections with the Jesuit Order
and efforts to demonize people who expose the Vatican.

Gary Metz operates a Neo Conservative Blog, Regimechangeiran.blogspot.com on
one particular posting dated August 10, 2005 his laptop died and he is sending out
a distress call to his followers to help donate money to buy himself a new one, as
we will see in the following screenshot:
read more:
mysterybabylon-watch.blogspot.nl/2011/07/testimony-of-ex-jesuit-priest-alberto.html

In doing some research on Gary Metz it really makes me curious as to why he did
his story on Alberto Rivera. That story he did on Alberto Rivera is the only article
he did that was featured in these magazines. Let it also be known that Cornerstone
Magazine and Christianity Today are very pro Catholic and pro Vatican.
Another thing about Metz is that he is a huge name in political blogging. And it's
all about Iran and how there should be a regime change there. For several years
he's been writing articles about breaking news in Iran. Also, he has had interviews
with individuals who are in the intelligence community.''
www.spirituallysmart.com/metz.html
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