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Voynich Manuscript -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 07:38 #1

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How it all started before I looked into it >>>>

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This is a subject I've done some reading on, and I find it so fascinating! It's a unsolved mystery in the form of a book called the Voynich Manuscript. It's written in a language nobody understands (or so they say). Many people have studied it and concluded that it is a real language, especially since it conforms to Zipf's Law. It has illustrations of plants, people and my favorite is of what appears to be galaxies.

So, I'm interested to know if anyone here has any opinions. Here are some of my fave pics from the Voynich MS, along with some links.

My fave

Voynich Manuscript-photo gallery:

A thorough discussion about the manuscript, including history, research conclusions and additional links.

The fact that this manuscript belongs to Yale is an interesting point also, and also that some of it is mysteriously missing. Hmm! :roll:
Have fun ye mystery lovers! :D

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Voynich Manuscript -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 07:49 #2

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It interesting & I love what people can see sometimes in images like this>>>>>

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I've been looking at the manuscripts again, and there seems to be an awful lot of women, with what looks like crowns on their heads, "riding" in some kind of personal craft. Some look a little tube like, and some have what looks like jet engines at the bottom of the craft.

This image is from THIS PAGE. What do you think? Could it be a personal craft?

Here are some more...
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All these women seem to be in a constant state of pregnancy. Could they be fertility goddesses? Symbolic of creation?

Original manuscript pictures:

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Voynich Manuscript -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 08:26 #3

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I look at it before but can't get much out of it maybe this is some addition to the Topic?.

To me this Looks like a Wine Production Plant using there feet's to press out the Grapes:
You maybe able to follow this how they worked this out; good luck!
Discover how the most mysterious manuscript in the world has been encrypted and what it contains

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Voynich Manuscript -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 08:44 #4

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:conf: Revelation 13:Bible code The Voynich Manuscript
After the job well done the big clean up bath with the Water supply system! :conf: :chuckle:

Originally Posted by Mario wrote:
Revelation 13: The English King James version Bible code - Part 16 - The Voynich ManuscriptBut here we will see what the King James Bible Code has to say about it.
Using Codefinder software, I searched for Old Testament Bible Code matrices using keyword VOYNICH, in an ELS (skip) -10000 to 10000 search. I found the following three matrices.

This first matrix was at Deuteronomy 17:15 - 33:29. It contains these words:
-- VOYNICH (ELS=7624)
-- THE BEAST (in the Bible's Book of Revelation, the Beast is the Antichrist, the Son of Satan, who is prophesied to rise to power as a Satanic imitation of Christ during the End Times in the future, before Armageddon)
-- PLANT, A VINE (illustrations of plants are in the Voynich Manuscript)
The next matrix was at Psalm 49:11 - 89:11, and it contains:
-- VOYNICH (ELS=4132)
-- THORNS (in the "Omen/Damian" movies about the Antichrist, the Antichrist is named Damian Thorne; also some plants have thorns)
The next matrix was at Joshua 18:10 - Judges 4:24, and it contains:
-- VOYNICH (ELS=873)

In conclusion, there are words appearing in the matrices above that may indicate the Voynich Manuscript does have a Satanic connection of some kind. And there also is a mention of plants (PLANT, GRASS, THORNS, A VINE), and the Voynich Manuscript does have illustrations of plants.
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Lets find the code Guys! "Voynich_manuscript"Did I not hear this before "elaborate hoax" so if you can not read it must be a hoax! Don't they apply the same to the Bible because they can not understand & read it?
So they started very early with making up Hoaxes.
So much for the professionals not that smart after all!


The Voynich manuscript is a mysterious illustrated book with incomprehensible contents. It is thought to have been written between approximately 1450 and 1520 by an unknown author in an unidentified script and language.

Over its recorded existence, the Voynich manuscript has been the object of intense study by many professional and amateur cryptographers, including some top American and British codebreakers of World War II fame (all of whom failed to decrypt a single word). This string of failures has turned the Voynich manuscript into a famous subject of historical cryptology, but it has also given weight to the theory that the book is simply an elaborate hoax — a meaningless sequence of arbitrary symbols.
Smart Guys to know about the Governments Elite manipulation Games


Cryptography has a long tradition in religious writing likely to offend the dominant culture or political authorities. Perhaps the most famous is the 'Number of the Beast' from the Book of Revelations in the Christian New Testament. '666' might be a cryptographic (i.e., encrypted) way of concealing a dangerous reference; many scholars believe it's a concealed reference to the Roman Empire, or more likely to the Emperor Nero himself, (and so to Roman persecution policies) that would have been understood by the initiated (who 'had the key to understanding'), and yet be safe or at least deniable (and so 'less' dangerous) if it came to the attention of the authorities. At least for orthodox Christian writing, most of the need for such concealment ended with Constantine's conversion and the adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Empire.


Thus, the official title of the pope is Vicarius Filii Dei, Vicar of the Son of God. (A vicar is a substitute in office.) A person’s number was obtained by adding the numerical values of the letters in his name, that is, the values of the letters in the Roman numeral numbering system. If the letter had no value, the value of zero was assigned. For example, the value of I is one; the value of V is five; and the value of X is ten. There was no “U” in the Latin alphabet; the letter “V” is the correct letter. (This is the reason why sometimes inscriptions on older public buildings use a “V” instead of “U” — for instance, PVBLIC LIBRARY.) The values of the letters of this name, Vicarius Filii Dei, add up to 666, exactly as predicted in Revelation 13:18!
No other power which has ever existed has precisely fulfilled every one of these fourteen points of identity as does the papacy. No other power has ever existed that even comes close to fulfilling these fourteen points of identity from the pages of the Bible. There have been many attempts made to throw the onus of this prophecy away from the pope and the Catholic Church, such as fitting the nations of empire into a different sequence than history shows. Many ingenious schemes have been devised to show that this number, 666, applies to other men, but these schemes are an obvious attempt to sidestep prophecy.
V = 5
O = 1
Y = 0
N = 0
I = 1
C =100
H = 0
Voynich = using the top system resolds is No. 107
Don't know if this is just stupid ore got anything to do with this?


1 [Psalm 107 A hymn inviting those who have been rescued by God to give praise (Psalm 107:1-3). Four archetypal divine rescues are described, each ending in thanksgiving: from the sterile desert (Psalm 107:4-9), from imprisonment in gloom (Psalm 107:10-16), from mortal illness (Psalm 107:17-22), and from the angry sea (Psalm 107:23-32). The number four connotes totality, all the possible varieties of rescue. The same saving activity of God is shown in Israel's history (Psalm 107:33-41); whenever the people were endangered God rescued them. The last verses invite people to ponder the persistent saving acts of God (Psalm 107:42-43).

2 [33-41] God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18-19, which the psalm sees as the destruction of the wicked inhabitants of Canaan to prepare the way for Israel (Psalm 107:33-34). God then led Israel through the desert to give them a fertile land (Psalm 107:35-38) and protected them from every danger (Psalm 107:39-41).

Psalm 107
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On the other hand, Revelation 17:5 describes a harlot, who represents a false church and is the mother of numerous false churches. “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

Thus we see that a woman in Bible prophecy represents a church.

The chart below summarizes the basic keys to understanding Bible prophecy.

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Wino Word of the Day- Pigeage (Voynich Manuscript) -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 09:23 #6

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Wino Word of the Day- Pigeage (Voynich Manuscript)

I think I solved the big mystery; this Guy was a Grape & Wine Producer or Master plan developer!

Adventures of the Wild Wino Women
Wino Word of the Day - Pigeage
The process of punching grape skins and other solids
(or the "cap") that float to the top of fermenting wine
downward and back into the liquid. Remember,skins are
the source of the tannins for the fermenting wine.
Traditional winemakers will hand plunge or use the system
of pigeage à pied (foot stomping) of the grapes in open
fermentation tanks. Looks like Lucy was doing more than a
comedy routine during her infamous grape stomping episode!

History of the wine press

The very first wine press was probably the human foot and the use of manual treading of grapes is a tradition that has lasted for thousands of years and is still used in some wine regions today.

Here are the Drums & Buckets to keep filling the Drums!!............

When stomping and pressing grapes, purple reigns


(Ancient mashed Grapes Found)

" Either the ancient Greeks loved grape juice, or they were making wine nearly 6,500 years ago, according to a new study that describes what could be the world’s earliest evidence of crushed grapes. If the charred 2,460 grape seeds and 300 empty grape skins were used to make wine, as the rese..."

Either the ancient Greeks loved grape juice, or they were making wine nearly 6,500 years ago, according to a new study that describes what could be the world’s earliest evidence of crushed grapes. If the charred 2,460 grape seeds and 300 empty grape skins were used to make wine, as the researchers suspect, the remains might have belonged to the second oldest known grape wine in the world, edged out only by a residue-covered Iranian wine jug dating to the sixth millennium B.C. Since the Greeks influenced the Romans, who in turn influenced virtually all of Europe, it is possible that a drink made in ahumble, post-framed house in eastern Macedonia influenced much of the world’s wine.

"For the Neolithic or the Bronze Age, we have no evidence for markets and a market economy," lead author Tania Valamoti told Discovery News. "Production was on a household or communal basis," added Valamoti, who is a lecturer in the Department of Archaeology at Greece’s Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.Valamoti and her team excavated four homes at a Neolithic site called Dikili Tash. After discovering the grape remains in one residence, they conducted charring experiments on fresh grapes, raisins and wine pressings to see what would best match the ancient seeds and skins. They determinedthe archaeological remains "morphologically resemble wine pressings and could not have originated from charred grapes or raisins."Analysis of the grape remains determined they either were harvested from wild plants or originated from a very early cultivar.Findings are published in the current journal Antiquities.The scientists also found two-handled clay cups and jars, which they say suggest a use for decanting and consuming liquids. Charred figs were also found near the grape remnants. The presence of figs likely was not a coincidence, according to the researchers, who mentioned that juice from wild grapes often has a bitter taste.To view the rest of this article, please visit thesource...

Grape treaders

In 1761, the seven European stowaways enjoyed fellowship aboard the Arab Dhow.
Speakers of Flemish, German, French and Spanish, they struggled to communicate
little more than their fierce job of discovery. In fact, they were crying with
God-sent joy. All of them were red grape-treaders, that was the connection.
Despite their .. ignorance, at some level they grasped that massive doses of
the juice had protected them from the plague known as the Red Death.
Twenty-fourth century scientists would discover that this was resveratrol, a
chemical found in grape skins rather than the juice of the fruit itself.
But that was a detail of little consequence to this elated band of survivors.
They knew their Old Testament apocalypses well enough to know that Jesus had
saved them from extinction. Not a sparrow falls to earth that God does not see.
And after all, were these Europeans little more than sparrows, flying from a dreadful storm?

I think this is just a ...
Grape schedule season plan!

Hah! Game Over! :) :P


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Alcohol made by the ................ tribe??

Voynich Manuscript


So was this the workings of the so called Hebrews ............. & there origin

of this term and naming He- brew = Hebrews!

Then there is this which I think connects to the overall story >>>>

Next post .................
So here is my theory about the given name Hebrews ............ He brew

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Wino Word of the Day- Pigeage (Voynich Manuscript) -- What could be the connection? >> He- brew = Hebrews! 11 Oct 2014 09:32 #8

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And all this conforms to Zipf's Law? :chuckle:
To understand who rules over you look to whom you tube can't criticise

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It's there to cover the news up

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First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

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Who knows maybe its all more simple then we think?

By this all will be given there name according to there works so they can be easily identified.

To me the judgement already happened in the past.........

Who taken on the alcohol productions in a big way??

So here is my theory about the given name Hebrews He brew ..............

History of beer
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Alulu beer receipt – This records a purchase of "best" beer from a brewer, c. 2050 BC from the Sumerian city of Umma in Ancient Iraq.[1]
Main article: Beer

Ale is one of the oldest beverages humans have produced, dating back to at least the 5th millennium BC and recorded in the written history of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. As almost any cereal containing certain sugars can undergo spontaneous fermentation due to wild yeasts in the air, it is possible that beer-like beverages were independently developed throughout the world soon after a tribe or culture had domesticated cereal. Chemical tests of ancient pottery jars reveal that beer was produced about 7,000 years ago in what is today Iran, and is one of the first-known biological engineering tasks to utilize the process of fermentation. In Mesopotamia, the oldest evidence of beer is believed to be a 6,000-year-old Sumerian tablet depicting people drinking a beverage through reed straws from a communal bowl. A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honouring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.

The invention of bread and/or beer has been argued to be responsible for humanity's ability to develop technology and build civilization.[2][3][4] The earliest chemically confirmed barley beer to date was discovered at Godin Tepe in the central Zagros Mountains of Iran, where fragments of a jug, at least 5000 years old was found to be coated with beerstone, a by-product of the brewing process.[5]

Beer may have been known in Neolithic Europe as far back as 5000 years ago,[6] and was mainly brewed on a domestic scale.[7]

Ale produced before the Industrial Revolution continued to be made and sold on a domestic scale, although by the 7th century AD beer was also being produced and sold by European monasteries. During the Industrial Revolution, the production of beer moved from artisanal manufacture to industrial manufacture, and domestic manufacture ceased to be significant by the end of the 19th century.[8] The development of hydrometers and thermometers changed brewing by allowing the brewer more control of the process, and greater knowledge of the results.

Today, the brewing industry is a global business, consisting of several dominant multinational companies and many thousands of smaller producers ranging from brewpubs to regional breweries.[9] More than 133 billion liters (35 billion gallons) are sold per year—producing total global revenues of $294.5 billion (£147.7 billion) in 2006.[10]

So who did all the brewing & got rich of it??? ..........Hint, hint .......... maybe the once which received there correct name according to there works? = He Brew = He-brews?

Alcohol in the Bible
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Alcoholic beverages appear in biblical literature, from Noah planting a vineyard and becoming inebriated in the Hebrew Bible, to Jesus in the New Testament miraculously making copious amounts of wine[1] at the marriage at Cana and later incorporating wine as part of the Eucharist. Wine is the most common alcoholic beverage mentioned in biblical literature, where it is a source of symbolism,[2] and was an important part of daily life in biblical times.[2][3][4] Additionally, the inhabitants of ancient Israel drank beer, and wines made from fruits other than grapes, and references to these appear in scripture.[5]

Biblical literature displays an ambivalence toward intoxicating drinks, considering them both a blessing from God that brings joy and merriment and potentially dangerous beverages that can be sinfully abused.[6][7][8][9][10] The relationships between Judaism and alcohol and Christianity and alcohol have generally maintained this same tension, though Christianity saw a number of its adherents, particularly around the time of Prohibition, rejecting alcohol as evil. The original versions of the books of the Bible use several different words for alcoholic beverages: at least 10 in Hebrew, and five in Greek. Drunkenness is discouraged and not infrequently portrayed, and some biblical persons abstained from alcohol. Alcohol is used symbolically, in both positive and negative terms. Its consumption is prescribed for religious rites or medicinal uses in some places.


Biblical literature uses several words in its original languages to refer to different types of alcoholic beverages. Some of these words have overlapping meaning, particularly the words in the Hebrew language compared to the words in Koine Greek, the language of both the Septuagint and the New Testament. While some deuterocanonical books may have been originally written in Hebrew or the Aramaic language, some were written in Greek. Hence, the meanings of the words used for alcoholic beverages in each of these languages has bearing on alcohol in the Bible.

The Hebrew Bible was largely written in Biblical Hebrew, with portions in Biblical Aramaic, and a has an important Ancient Greek translation called the Septuagint. The modern Hebrew Bible, which generally follows the masoretic text, uses several words to represent alcoholic beverages:

Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek by Dieric Bouts the Elder

Biblical references

Ancient wine press in Israel with the pressing area in the center and the collection vat off to the bottom left.

The many biblical references to alcoholic beverages are both positive and negative, real and symbolic, descriptive and didactic.[97] Both archaeological evidence and written records indicate the significant cultivation of grapes in ancient Israel and the popularity of wine-drinking. The production capacity apparent from archaeological remains and the frequent biblical references to wine suggest that it was the principal alcoholic beverage of the ancient Israelites.[98]


Alcohol – What the Bible Really Says

Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition.

Jesus turning water into wine: one artist's illustration
Related article:
John 2: Jesus turns water into wine

Wine and other alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol?
Proper use

One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). The Hebrew word translated wine in Genesis 14:18 is yayin. This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean fermented wine, not grape juice.

This same beverage, when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36). Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptures make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.


Easton's Bible Dictionary says, "The sin of drunkenness ... must have been not uncommon in the olden times, for it is mentioned either metaphorically or literally more than seventy times in the Bible,"[14][99] though some suggest it was a "vice of the wealthy rather than of the poor."[9][100] Biblical interpreters generally agree that the Hebrew and Christian scriptures condemn ordinary drunkenness as a serious spiritual and moral failing[101] in passages such as these (all from the New International Version):

Symbolism and metaphor

The commonness and centrality of wine in daily life in biblical times is apparent from its many positive and negative metaphorical uses throughout the Bible.[122][123] Positively, free wine is used as a symbol of divine grace, and wine is repeatedly compared to intimate love in the Song of Solomon. Negatively, wine is personified as a mocker ("[t]he most hardened apostate" in the Book of Proverbs whose chief sin is pride)[124] and beer a brawler (one who is "mocking, noisy, and restless").[6]

So here is my theory about the given name Hebrews He brew

Additionally, the chosen people and kingdom of God are compared to a divinely owned vine or vineyard in several places, and the image of new wine fermenting in new wineskins, a process that would burst old wineskins, represents that the new faith Jesus was bringing "cannot be contained within the framework of the old."[125] The complacent are compared with "wine left on its dregs" too long, such that it lacks a good taste and is of no value, and those who are corrupt are compared with excellent wine which has been diluted with water.

Wine was also used as a symbol of blessing and judgement throughout the Bible. Melchizedek blessed and refreshed Abraham's army with bread and wine; Isaac blessed Jacob by saying, "May God give you of heaven's dew and of earth's richness – an abundance of grain and new wine";[126] and when Jacob blessed his sons, he used a great abundance of wine as a symbol of Judah's prosperity. The nation of Israel was promised abundant wine and other central crops such as grain and oil[127] if they kept God's covenant commandments, and their wine would be taken away as a curse if the Israelites failed to keep the covenant.

Drinking a cup of strong wine to the dregs and getting drunk are sometimes presented as a symbol of God's judgement and wrath, and Jesus alludes this cup of wrath, which he several times says he himself will drink. Similarly, the winepress is pictured as a tool of judgement where the resulting wine symbolizes the blood of the wicked who were crushed. Connected also to the cup of judgement is the wine of immorality, which the evil drink and which both brings and is part of the wrath of God.

Detail from The Good Samaritan by Cornelis van Haarlem showing the Samaritan pouring oil and wine on the injured man's wounds.

The Day of the Lord, which is often understood by Christians to usher in the Messianic Age, is depicted as a time when "[n]ew wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills,"[128] when God's people will "plant vineyards and drink their wine,"[129] and when God himself "will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine – the best of meats and the finest of wines."[130]

In the New Testament, Jesus uses wine at the Last Supper to signify the "New Covenant in [Jesus'] blood,"[131] but Christians differ over precisely how symbolic the wine is in the continuing ritual of the Eucharist.[132]

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

“According to Their Works”

In the judgment-day prophecy of Revelation 20:12-15, the dead who “stand before God” are those who are known by the Lord to have been evil. They are the ones whom Jesus described when he promised that those who “have done evil [shall come forth] unto the resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:29, RV) The works referred to, therefore, must be their works in the Kingdom, after they learn, hear, and respond to the message of the open books.

The prophecy says “another book” is also opened. It is styled the “book of life.” The dead who stand before God, and are tried upon the basis of their obedience to the things written in the books, formerly had their names listed, as it were, in a book of death, for they were all in Adam’s “book.” Paul states the thought in a slightly different manner, saying, “As in Adam all die”; but he adds, “even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”—I Cor. 15:22

So Christ’s book of life will then be opened for mankind, and as each individual of the condemned race—awakened from death and enlightened—accepts and obeys the truth, his name will be entered in that book. The opening of this book of life is not to discover whose names are there, but to enter the names of those who, “according to their works,” prove their love for the truth by which the people will then be judged.—Ps. 96:13

Should I wonder?
how it all stated for them ... Money, sex drugs & alcohol businesses

And so it continuances till today!!

The Jewish language

Since it's hard as fuck to understand, people don't really try to learn it. Since you sound like a fucking terrorist whenever you speak it, people tend to avoid it anyways. Learning English is much easier and much more useful. Think about it.. Is the person speaking it wearing a turbin? Yes? That's what I thought.

The Evolution of Hebrew

Of all these side effects the slurring of speech was the most common, and for that reason perhaps the most important side effect. After half a pint of Hebrew speech was sufficiently slurred that only those under the influence of the drink could understand a single word you said, and to everyone else it sounded like you were talking gibberish. Over the years the drink became for commonplace in the home, and as a result wives and children took up drinking the beverage to be able to communitcate with the father figure in the home. Traders were then forced to take to drinking Hebrew so they could understand their clients needs (see Prostitution). This ended up with entire hamlets, and then villages and towns, and even cities speaking the gibberish brought on by the drink - this led to this gibberish being known as Hebrew. Over the gazillions of years between 3000BC and now Hebrew has become even more retarded, and even more widely spoken. Luckily as one stage a fine young man called Hitler helped to stop the spread of Hebrew by ordering a mass culling of those who spoke Hebrew (see - LOLocaust).

Below is an example of an article about Hebrew written in Hebrew by a drunkard in approximately 1235BC. Seeing as the only people who speak this somewhat mythical language today are Jews, we have no hope what so ever of finding out what it says as no-one really cares.

See also:

Ruins of an ancient Israeli wine press dating to the Talmudic period (100 - 400 CE)

Viticulture has existed in the land of Israel since biblical times. In the book of Deuteronomy, the fruit of the vine was listed as one of the seven blessed species of fruit found in the land of Israel(Deut. 8:8).[2] The location of Israel along a historic wine trading route between Mesopotamia and Egypt brought winemaking knowledge and influence to the area. Wine played a significant role in the religion of the early Israelites with images of grape growing, harvesting and winemaking often being used to illustrate religious ideals.[3] In Roman times, wine from Israel was exported to Rome with the most sought after wines being vintage, dated with the name of the winemaker inscribed on the amphora. In the 7th century, the Islamic conquest of the Middle East virtually wiped out the region's wine industry with wineries closing down and vineyards, planted with now lost indigenous grape varieties, pulled out.[4] Winemaking was temporarily revived in the Crusader states from around 1100 to 1300 but the return of Islamic rule and the subsequent Jewish Diaspora extinguished the industry once again.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_wine

Israeli wine
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Israeli wine is produced by hundreds of wineries, ranging in size from small boutique enterprises to large companies producing over ten million bottles per year. Wine has been produced in the Land of Israel since biblical times. In 2011, Israeli wine exports totaled over $26.7 million.[1]

The modern Israeli wine industry was founded by Baron Edmond James de Rothschild, owner of the Bordeaux estate Château Lafite-Rothschild. Today, Israeli winemaking takes place in five vine-growing regions: Galil (Galilee, including the Golan Heights), the region most suited for viticulture due to its high elevation, cool breezes, marked day and night temperature changes and rich, well-drained soils; the Judean Hills, surrounding the city of Jerusalem; Shimshon (Samson), located between the Judean Hills and the Coastal Plain; the Negev, a semi-arid desert region, where drip irrigation has made grape growing possible; and the Sharon plain near the Mediterranean coast and just south of Haifa, surrounding the towns of Zichron Ya'akov and Binyamina, which is the largest grape growing area in Israel.

Château Mouton Rothschild 1945 Pauillac, Bordeaux, France

A legend because…

All the first growths excelled in 1945, yet it is widely recognised that Mouton, then a lowly second growth, was the wine of the vintage. Moreover, for many years the 1945 fetched higher prices at auction than the first growths. This boosted Baron Philippe’s campaign for Mouton’s promotion to first growth, which only succeeded in 1973. The 1945 vintage was produced shortly after the end of World War II. As a Jew, Baron Philippe de Rothschild had fled to Britain after escaping from prison, but once the war was over he returned to supervise the harvest at Mouton. Despite the fact that he had been unable to manage the estate for some years, it produced something quite extraordinary.

The people

Baron Philippe was flamboyant and artistically inclined and had taken over the management of the family property in 1923 at the age of 20. In 1945 he began to commission the famous ‘artist’s labels’, one for each vintage, and in the 1960s he opened a Museum of Wine in Art. The 1945 label, designed by Philippe Jullian, defiantly displayed the words ‘Année de la Victoire’. The legendary Raoul Blondin, Mouton’s cellarmaster for over 50 years, supervised the wine's production.

The vintage

Heavy frosts on 2 May – an unusually late date – severely reduced the crop in the Médoc. Thereafter the climate was superb, with a hot, dry summer that led to an early and uncomplicated harvest. The grapes were super-ripe, with some batches apparently reaching an alcohol level of 15%. Quantities were considerably reduced and this was the smallest vintage since 1915.

The facts
Bottles produced: 74,422, plus 1475 magnums and 24 jeroboams
Composition: No record
Yield (hl/ha): about 10 hl/ha
Alcohol level: No record
Release price: No record
Current price: £10,000 per bottle

Well I say it all fits perfectly together in so many ways!!
Many are kept drunk till today .......... Alcohol really helps your brain thinking ....
Military guys love Alcohol for entertainment after a bit of killing for there Masters!

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How fitting all of this is & relates perfectly ..............

28. Jesus said,
"I took my stand in the midst of the world, and in flesh I appeared to them. I found them all drunk, and I did not find any of them thirsty. My soul ached for the children of humanity, because they are blind in their hearts and do not see, for they came into the world empty, and they also seek to depart from the world empty.

But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways."

Nothing is coincidental in this World >>>>>>>>
That's why; He brew; the brew to keep them all freaking drunk......... & no wonder they got there rightful name accordantly = Hebrews.

You will be judged by your Works ............. & your works will give you your name so He brew & got his name Hebrews

Then there is the material aspect of control & profit making
Jew = Jew lies = jew elers = jewelers = jew elders

Ancient Roman Feast - Luckily it was a lot more dignified than this at the Lodore Fall's Hotel

“Passion I See is Catching”
“I Came, I Saw, I Conquered”
Lodore pheasant, duck and venison terrine, Cumberland sauce
“Janus – God of Beginnings”
trio of chilled melon, Midori liqueur
“It Was Greek to Me”
feta cheese, smoked turkey and olive salad
“Saturn – God of the Harvest”

An Roman architectural relief from the 1st century AD showing that grape treading was still widely used as a means of pressing wine grapes during Roman times.

Wow .... The Nose .......
all just coincidental of-cause!!

One of the first written account of a mechanical wine press was from the 2nd century BC Roman writer Marcus Cato.

One of the earliest known Greek wine presses was discovered in Palekastro in Crete and dated to the Mycenaean period (1600-1100 BC). Like most of the earlier presses, it was mainly a stone basin for treading the grapes by feet with a run off drain for the juice to flow. However there is evidence that some of the later Cretan winemakers would sometimes use a pressing method similar to how olive oil was extracted from olives. This press would entail laying the grapes out underneath several planks of wood and then weighing the planks down with rocks to press the juice out from the grapes. The wine made from these rudimentary pressing wasn't held in high esteem by the Greeks, often tainted with impurities and having a short shelf life. Much more prized was the wine produced from "free run" juice that was released by the grapes under their own weight before any treading or pressing. This wine was believed to be the most pure and was often used for medicinal purposes.[7]

A 1649 drawing of a German horizontal wine press --- A basket press from the Provence region of southeast France.

The history of the wine press and of pressing is nearly as old as the history of wine itself with the remains of wine presses providing some of the longest-serving evidence of organised viticulture and winemaking in the ancient world.[1] The earliest wine press was probably the human foot or hand, crushing and squeezing grapes into a bag or container where the contents would ferment.[2]

The pressure applied by these manual means was limited and these early wines were probably pale in colour and body, and eventually ancient winemakers sought out alternative means of pressing their wine. By at least the 18th dynasty, the ancient Egyptians were employing a "sack press" made of cloth that was squeezed with the aid of a giant tourniquet.[2] The use of a wine press in winemaking is mentioned frequently in the Bible but these presses were more elaboration of treading lagars where grapes that were tread by feet with the juice running off into special basins.[3]

In the 2nd century BC, Cato the Elder wrote a vivid and detailed account of the workings of early Roman wine presses and how to build a press room in his work De Agri Cultura.[8] The press Cato describes was known as a lever or beam press which was built on an elevated platform that contained and shallow basin that would slope and narrow to a run off point where the freed juice would exit. The press would consist of a large horizontal beam held up by two upright fixtures in the front and on upright fixture in the front. The grapes were placed under the beam with pressure was applied by a windlass that was affixed by rope to the front of the beam and a user winding down that end.[1] Rope would also be used wound around the "cake" of the pressed grape skins to help keep it in place.[4]

In the 1st century AD, Roman statesman Pliny the Elder described a "Greek style" press in his work Natural History that saw the windlass replaced by a vertical screw that often included a counterweight to increase pressure.[9] Marcus Terentius Varro, Columella and Virgil would also include descriptions of the workings of wine presses in their agricultural treatises. Yet despite their frequent mentions in ancient writings and archaeological evidence showing the presence of wine presses throughout the Roman empire, their use was actually relatively rare. This was because having a wine press was a very expensive and large piece of equipment that most Roman farmers, outside the estate holding patricians and the most wealthy plebeians, could not afford. Instead, it was much more common for Roman estates to have large tanks or trough where grapes were tread upon by feet or paddles.[1]

An Roman architectural relief from the 1st century AD showing that grape treading was still widely used as a means of pressing wine grapes during Roman times.
Varro also described in his work De re rustica a type of "pressed wine" known as lorca that was produced by the left over grape skins being soaked in water that was served to slaves and farm workers.[1][10]

By the 2nd century AD, the Romans began using a "screw press" that would be the predecessor to the basket press that would become popular in the Middle Ages. This press would include a large beam with a hole cut out of the middle through which a screw was fitted through. Attached the base of the beam was a cut piece of stone that fit the circumference of a vat that was lined with porous clay or cloth. Ropes and pulleys attached to the beam would raise the beam and stone above the vat that would be loaded with grapes. Then six to eight workers (usually slaves) would be divided on either side of the screw. The workers would walk clockwise, turning the screw as it the stone descended upon the grapes, providing added pressure with each turn. A hole or spout at the bottom of the vat would allow the juice to drain out where it was usually bucket into amphorae or other large fermentation vessels. A replica of this style Roman screw press still exist at a winery in Beaucaire, Gard in the Languedoc wine region of France.[5]

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All connects in so many ways & who were the once running the show? >>>

Somehow all this Rings a bell or what ?? ....... Same things these days & who again is on the helm??

What was first the He brew = Hebrew's ........... or the Jew creating the Jew - ellery Jewellery ???

Jewellery ..... Jew ellery

Earrings and Jewellery in Ancient Times

At the time of Christ there was a view held among the sects that the use of make-up and jewellery was of demonic origin. The Ethiopic Book of Enoch states:
8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and daggers, and shields and breastplates. And he showed them the things after these (2v, a5) and the art of making them: bracelets, and ornaments, and the art of making up eyes and of beautifying the eyelids, and the most precious and choice stones, and all (kinds of) coloured dyes. And the world was changed.
8.2 And there was great impiety and much fornication, and they went astray, and all their ways became corrupt (2v, a10).

8.3 Amezarack taught all those who cast spells and cut roots, Amaros the release of spells, and Baraqiel astrologers, and Kokabel portents, and Tamiel taught astrology, and Asradel taught (2v, a15) the path of the moon. 8.4 And at the destruction of men they cried out, and their voice reached heaven.

9.1 And then Michael, Gabriel, Suriel and Uriel looked down from heaven and saw the mass of blood that was being shed on the earth and all the iniquity that was being done (2v, a20) on the earth. 9.2 And they said to one another: ‘Let the devastated earth cry out with the sound of their cries unto the gate of heaven. 9.3 And now to you O holy ones of heaven, the souls of men complain, saying: “Bring our suit before the most high.”’

9.4 And they said to their Lord, the king: ‘Lord of Lords, God of Gods, King of Kings! Your glorious throne (endures) for all the generations of the world, and your name (is) holy and praised for all the generations of the world, and blessed and praised! (2v, a30). 9.5 You have made everything, and power over everything is yours. And everything is uncovered and open before you, and you see everything and nothing can be hidden from you. 9.6 See then what Azazel has done, how he has taught all iniquity on the earth and revealed the eternal secrets (2v, a35) which were made in heaven.

9.7 And Semyaza has made known spells, (he) to whom you gave authority to rule over those who are with him. 9.8 And they went in to the daughters of men together, and lay with those women, and became unclean, and revealed to them these sins. 9.9 And the women bore giants and the whole earth has been filled (2v, b1) with blood and iniquity (Knibb, Oxford Clarendon, 1982, Vol. 2, pp. 79-86).

It appears that Israel reverted to the custom of wearing earrings while in Egypt and, at the time of the giving of the law, they are recorded as being collected by Aaron. He fashioned the golden calf from the earrings which were worn by the wives and sons and daughters (Ex. 32:2). At Exodus 32:4, after making the molten calf he said:
These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Aaron seems to be referring in the plural to the earrings as symbols of the gods and not only to the calf in the singular as expounded in Nehemiah 9:18 as being this is thy god. The comment is not referred to in Psalm 106:19-21 although in Exodus 32:4 it is definitely in the plural and referring to the past exodus. The meaning is therefore a probable reflective device, whose meaning became lost in later years becoming a perceived error, which may have been corrected by the recorders of Nehemiah. The practice of wearing earring amulets as visible signs appears to have been stamped out at some period and such amulets could only be worn under the garments in secret.

Moses destroyed the calf and dispersed its gold. He appears to have completed the elimination of the collection of this form of amulet, not only by prohibition under the second commandment but also by collecting such decorations and melting them down to construct the Tabernacle (see Ex. 35:22). However, the gold used in the calf was not used for the Tabernacle.

The use of the word earring in the KJV is misleading. Job was given an earring of gold by each of his companions (Job 42:11). However, this appears to be the general term for ring. The word nezem is found at Exodus 35:4 and Judges 8:24-26. The word ring (SHD 5141 nose-ring, earring or jewel) is used at Genesis 24:22,30,47; 35:4; Exodus 32:2-3; Job 42:11; Proverbs 25:12; Hosea 2:15 (cf. Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, art. ‘Earring’, Vol. 2, p. 2).

Ears were also seen as the means of entry and exit of spirits (Frazer, ibid., Vol. III, p. 31), and also as the seat of intelligence. From these reasons come the necessity to protect the ears by means of ring amulets in the form of serpents or moons. Blood drawn from the ear by piercing may have been used as a ritual penance prior to the conferring of the amulet (see also Frazer, ibid. for the practice of drawing blood from the ears as a penance). Similarly, for the Hebrew, the ears were as a means of experiencing God as a form of understanding or comprehension, viz. Hear O Israel etc., and this is directly contrary to the concept of vision in the mystery cults.

The concept of a single earring in one ear showing availability in the modern sense seems to be a corruption of a Pacific Island custom relating to flowers or a perception thereof and is related to the perversion of homosexuality.

The wearing of earrings is, along with the animistic origins of the Saiva and other Indo-Aryan religions, of great antiquity. There seems little doubt that the wearing of earrings by men, as well as women, was originally, amongst the Indo-Europeans, of an adherence to animistic or idolatrous practice involving elements of Chaldean theology, which spread both east and west. It was forbidden by a simple analysis of Genesis 35:4. Despite its eradication by Jacob, the wearing of earrings appears to have crept back into use during the Egyptian captivity. The cessation of the practice with Moses appears to have lasted for an indeterminate period with amulets in general going underground or, more correctly, under garment. Most of the Anglo-Saxon people no longer understand the origin of the practice.

The view of cosmetics among the early sects was that it was an art taught by Azazel or Satan at the rebellion of the Host. The Bible has no specific injunction against the use of preventative cosmetics or to oils and unguents or spices in that role. The attitude to attire is an appeal to sober and modest dress, being decorated by good deeds. The painting of the eyes seems to have been associated with false worship and adulterous behaviour. Once again, the fault seems to have been in the presentation and the attitude behind the fact.
God adorned Jerusalem and, symbolically, all of the elect. Jerusalem turned away from God and became apostate even though they were adorned by God with the jewellery and apparel that was symbolic of the gods to which the nations turned. They fell to an even worse state than Samaria and Sodom had before them. Yet God will restore all of these systems under His new covenant (Ezek. 16:55-63). It is our task to remember the spiritual adornments that have been given to us by God and not to be concerned with the physical or material substance as is this world.


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Who knows I may onto something here
Concluding summery >>>

Nothing is coincidental everything has a logical reason behind it .........

He- brew the Brew & got his rightful name = Hebrew!

The Jewel & Jewellery was used as tool by the Hebrew's & the name Jew was born!

Gold became there wealth & there only god was born ........ to not make it to obvious they reduced the letters = G-d = Gold dealers

Then the G-d = Gold dealers created there Fiat-Banks .............. & here we are>>
trying to figure it all out how it all started for some of them!

Sequence of events in this order & who used it as there tool??

Alcohol & Wine-press and He brew the Brew
From Jew-els to Golden calf & Gold
To Alcohol, Sex, Porn, Wars & Fornication
Gold, Jewels & Wealth, Wars & party's
From Wine press to the Printing Press & there Books

Gold, Porn, Money, Jewels, Wealth, Wars, control the Press & Banks
& there Bull again at there Share-market Casino!

So who could possibly be behind it all?

>>>> Now I am here telling you all!
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This is a very attractive thread :thumbup: and if I were one of the loony toons still lingering in the DIF PIT, I would rather join this forum.

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