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Tomorrow evening we will celebrate New years in the Netherlands; 2015
Or was time manipulated ?

Phantom time hypothesis

''The phantom time hypothesis is a historical conspiracy theory advanced by
German historian and publisher Heribert Illig (born 1947) which proposes
that historical events between AD 614 and 911 in the Early Middle Ages of Europe
and neighbouring regions are either wrongly dated, or did not occur at all, and
that there has been a systematic effort to cover up that fact.''

The Great Gregorian Calendar Conspiracy

'' In the 1500’s, the Roman Catholic church noticed that Easter was
occurring later and later in the spring over the centuries.
If something wasn’t done Easter was going to slide right into summer,
and eventually the fall. Something had to be done.

The problem as it turned out was the Julian calendar.
It didn’t calculate leap years very well and was putting more in than was required.
So a new calendar system that did the calculations right was proposed.
Instead of leap years occurring every four years, they would occur every four years
except for years ending in 00 like 1300, 1400, 1500 and so on.
That was actually too large a correction, so every four hundred years the new calendar
would skip the skip…. meaning that when the century was divisible by 4, the leap year
would not be skipped. So in 1600 it was a leap year after all.
This stopped the drift, but by then Easter had slid a number of days.
It would have to be put back where it belonged.

So in 1582 Pope Gregory XIII ordered the implementation of the Gregorian Calender.
To put Easter back where it belonged he just shortened the year by 10 days.
The last day of the Julian calendar was October 4, 1582 and the first day of the
Gregorian calendar was October 15, 1582.
As a result, Easter happened 10 days earlier the next year when compared to solar events
like the spring equinox. This of course created havoc for historians because some countries
adopted the Gregorian calendar right away and others waited.
To correctly document historical events near the time of transition, the historian must
determine which calendar the historical document is referring to.

But what set off the conspiracy theorists was the fact that 10 days wasn’t enough.
If you count all the leap years that would have been different between the Julian calendar
and the Gregorian, it would take thirteen days to fix the problem, not 10.
What could the church have been up to?
Why would they go to the trouble of doing all that math, get a new calendar that matches
the solar calendar within a few seconds, but then mess up a really easy calculation like that?
What were they trying to hide?

The theory went that the Roman Catholic church had just made up 300 years of history.

One theory ran that one pope wanted to be the pope of record for 1000 AD, so he got there
by advancing the calendar 300 years.
Another theory ran that the church had created historical documents predicting future events,
and when they didn’t happen they just made up the history to match the documents, stuck it in
and claimed that the predictions had come true.
Some researchers even went so far as to examine record keeping in certain places to see
if there were gaps in building and road construction of 300 years and they found some.

But alas for the conspiracy theorists, Gregory got it right.
Since his goal was to put Easter back where it belonged, he had to correct not to when
the Julian calendar began, but to when the date of Easter was first adopted.
That happened at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
Since Gregory was certain that Constantine got it right in 325, there was no need to
adjust by 13 days, only 10.
The conspiracy theorists were working from correct data.
They just weren’t working from ALL the data.

''Arguments for the hypothesis''
The bases of Illig's hypothesis include:[3][4]

The scarcity of archaeological evidence that can be reliably dated to the period AD 614–911, the perceived inadequacies of radiometric and dendrochronological methods of dating this period, and the over-reliance of medieval historians on written sources.
The presence of Romanesque architecture in tenth-century Western Europe, suggesting the Roman era was not as long as conventionally thought.
The relation between the Julian calendar, Gregorian calendar and the underlying astronomical solar or tropical year. The Julian calendar, introduced by Julius Caesar, was long known to introduce a discrepancy from the tropical year of around one day for each century that the calendar was in use. By the time the Gregorian calendar was introduced in AD 1582, Illig alleges that the old Julian calendar should have produced a discrepancy of thirteen days between it and the real (or tropical) calendar. Instead, the astronomers and mathematicians working for Pope Gregory had found that the civil calendar needed to be adjusted by only ten days. From this, Illig concludes that the AD era had counted roughly three centuries which never existed.

Arguments against the hypothesis

Observations in ancient astronomy, including during the Tang Dynasty in China, of solar eclipses and Halley's Comet for example, are consistent with current astronomy with no "phantom time" added.[5][6]
Archaeological remains and dating methods such as dendrochronology refute, rather than support, "phantom time".[7]
The Gregorian reform was never purported to bring the calendar in line with the Julian calendar as it had existed at the time of its institution in 45 BC, but as it had existed in 325, the time of the Council of Nicaea, which had established a method for determining the date of Easter Sunday by fixing the Vernal Equinox on March 21 in the Julian calendar. By 1582, the astronomical equinox was occurring on March 10 in the Julian calendar, but Easter was still being calculated from a nominal equinox on March 21. In 45 BC the astronomical vernal equinox took place around March 23. Illig's "three missing centuries" thus correspond to the 369 years between the institution of the Julian calendar in 45 BC, and the fixing of the Easter Date at the Council of Nicaea in AD 325.[8]
If Charlemagne and the Carolingian dynasty were fabricated, there would have to be a corresponding fabrication of the history of the rest of Europe, including Anglo-Saxon England, the Papacy, and the Byzantine Empire. The "phantom time" period also encompasses the life of Muhammad and the Islamic expansion into the areas of the former Roman Empire, including the conquest of Visigothic Spain. This history too would have to be forged or drastically misdated. It would also have to be reconciled with the history of the Tang Dynasty of China and its contact with Islam, such as at the Battle of Talas.[6][9]

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Phantom time hypothesis 31 Dec 2014 00:27 #2

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I remember this topic on DIF, i think it was oracle who first made me aware about it.. i tried to find the thread quickly but couldnt.
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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Satanic origin of the Gregorian Calendar

''1. Satanic Origin of the Gregorian Calendar Huguenot Massacre Medal

2. Gregorian Calendar • Created by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582 • Goal was to update
the Julian Calendar to have Easter fall on the Vernal Equinox (March 21, see appendix for details).

3. Pope Gregory XIII • Though he expressed the conventional fears of the danger from the Turks,
Gregory XIII attentions were more consistently directed to the dangers of the Protestants. •
After the St Bartholomew’s Day Massacre of the Huguenots in France in 1572, Gregory
celebrated a Te Deum mass. Three frescoes in the Sala Regia Palace of the Vatican depicting
the events were painted by Giorgio Vasari. A commemorative medal was issued with Gregory
portrait and on the obverse a chastising angel, sword in hand and the legend UGONOTTORUM STRAGES
(Massacre of the Huguenots). • He appointed his illegitimate son Giacomo castellan of Sant’Angelo
and Gonfalonier of the Church.

4. Sunday • Latin: dies Solis (French: Dimanche) • Meaning: “Sun Day” • Origin: Celebrates the sun god Ra,
Helios, Apollo, Ogmios, Mithra, or sun goddess, Phoebe. In the year 321 AD, the Roman Emperor Constantine
rules that the first day of the week, “the venerable day of the sun”, should be a day of rest.
The name was changed to dies Dominica, “Lord’s Day” in Ecclesiastical tradition.

5. Monday • Latin: Lunae dies (French: Lundi) • Meaning: “Moon Day” •
Origin: Named in honor of the Assyrian goddess, Selene, Luna and Mani. In old English,
mon(an)daeg meant “day of the moon”.

6. Tuesday • Latin: dies Martis (French: Mardi) • Meaning: “Day of Mars” • Origin: In Greek mythology
Ares was the god of war (renamed Mars by the Romans). In English, “Tuesday” comes from Tiu
(Twia), the English/Germanic god of war and the sky (identified with the Nordic god called Tyr).

7. Wednesday • Latin: dies Mercurii (French: Mercredi) • Meaning: “Day of Mercury” • Origin:
In Greek mythology Hermes was the god of trade and commerce (renamed “Mercury” by the Romans).
In English, the name “Wednesday” derives from the Scandinavian god Odin, the chief of Norse
mythology. Woden is the chief Anglo- Saxon/Teutonic god, the leader of wild hunt.

8. Thursday • Latin: dies Iovis (French: Jeudi) • Meaning: “Day of Jupiter” •
Origin: In Greek mythology Zeus was the god of the sky (renamed “Jupiter” by the Romans).
The English word “Thursday” comes from the Middle English Thorsday, referring to Thor (Nordic counterpart to Jupiter).

9. Friday • Latin: dies Veneris (French: Vendredi) • Meaning: “Day of Venus” •
Origin: In greek mythology Aphrodite was the goddess of love/fertility (renamed “Venus” by the Romans).

The name “Friday” comes from Freya (Fria), the name of the Norse god Odin’s wife and
Teutonic goddess of love, beauty, and fertility.

10. Saturday • Latin: dies Saturni (French: Samedi) • Meaning: “Day of Saturn” •
Origin: In Greek mythology Cronus was the god of the harvest (renamed Saturn” by the Romans)
who ruled until dethroned by his son Zeus.

11. January • Latin Januarius mensis "month of Janus” • Middle English: Januarie •
Origin: Janus is the Roman god of gates and doorways, depicted with two faces looking in
opposite directions. His festival month is January.

12. February • Latin: Februarius mensis "month of Februa” • Middle English: Februarius •
Origin: Februa is the Roman festival of purification, held on February fifteenth.
It is possibly of Sabine origin. Became the month of Pluto

13. March • Latin: Martius mensis "month of Mars” • Middle English: March(e) •
Origin: March was the original beginning of the year, and the time for the resumption of war.
Mars is the Roman god of war. He is identified with the Greek god Ares.

14. April • Latin: Aprilis, “to open” • Origin: April was sacred to the goddess Venus,
her Veneralia being held on the first day.

15. May • Origin: the month May was named for the greek goddess Maia, who was identified
with the Roman goddess of fertility: Bona Dea, whose festival was held in May.

16. June • Latin: Junius • Origin: Named after the Roman goddess Juno, goddess of
marriage and wife of Jupiter

17. July • Latin: Julius • Origin: Julius Caesar’ month

18. August • Latin: Augustus • Origin: Caesar Augustus month

19. Remaining Months Months Latin Meaning September Septem Month of Seven October Octo
Month of Eight November Novem Month of Nine December Decem Month of Ten

20. Gregorian Calendar Feast Days (2013): Feasts Date Mary Mother of God January 1st
Ash Wednesday Wednesday February 13 Palm Sunday Sunday, March 24 Holy Thursday
Thursday, March 28 Good Friday Friday, March 29 Holy Saturday Saturday, March 30
Easter Sunday Sunday, March 31 Divine Mercy Sunday Sunday, April 7 Ascension Thursday, May 9

21. Gregorian Calendar Feast Days (2013 part 2): Feasts Date Pentecost Sunday Sunday, May 19 T
rinity Sunday Sunday, May 26 Corpus Christi Thursday, May 30 Assumption of Mary Thursday,
August 15 All Saints Day Friday, November 1 First Sunday of Advent Sunday, December 1
Immaculate Conception Monday, December 9 Christmas Wednesday, December 25

22. My Analysis: • Pope Gregory XIII was not a servant of Jesus. The fruits found in his live
speaks for themselves: St Bartholomew massacre, illegitimate child… • Matthew 7:15-16
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
You will know them by their fruits.” • His goal was to change time, just like the Antichrist: •
Daniel 7:25 “He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;” • Passover occurs on the first month of the year on the
14th at twilight (Exodus 12, Leviticus 23). It is not called Easter and it is not on the vernal equinox. •
Exodus 23:13 “Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of
other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips. • The Gregorian Calendar has zero value to the word of God.
It is inspired by Satan, the goal is to make people sin, by saying the name of false gods when saying a date.
It also hide the real dates of the appointed times and Feasts that God gave us in his word (Leviticus 23).
It is an abomination and should be rejected.

23. Appendix • Motivation for the calendar reform

24. Motivations for the Calendar Reform: • When Julius Caesar established his calendar in 45 BC
he set March 25 as the Vernal Equinox. Since a Julian year (365.25 days) is slightly longer than an
actual year the calendar drifted with respect to the Equinox. • This drift induced Pope Gregory XIII to
create the modern Gregorian calendar. The Pope wanted to restore the edicts concerning the date of
Easter of the Council of Nicaea of AD 325 (by Emperor Constantine). So Easter would fall on the
Vernal Equinox on March 21. • In addition to the change in the mean length of the calendar year
from 365.25 days (365 days 6 hours) to 365.2425 days (365 days 5 hours 49 minutes 12 seconds),
a reduction of 10 minutes 48 seconds per year. • The Gregorian calendar reform also dealt with the
accumulated difference between these lengths. Between AD 325 (when the First Council of Nicaea
was held, and the vernal equinox occurred approximately 21 March), and the time of Pope Gregory's
bull in 1582, the vernal equinox had moved backward in the calendar, until it was occurring on
about 11 March, 10 days earlier.
The Gregorian calendar therefore began by skipping 10 calendar days, to restore March 21
as the date of Easter on the Vernal Equinox.
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