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TOPIC: Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race?

Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 26 Mar 2016 15:03 #101

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Why did Churchill start the war and kill white people for no reason?

Basically he was a twat and old Adolf was no better nor Joe Stalin, Hirohito or Eisenhower for that matter either.
Bunch of twats the lot of them.
Gotta have a war now and then though.
War is good for business.
How else will the military- industrial complex ever get a living?
If they don't encourage warmongers to use up old arms stocks then nobody will buy new kit.
Easy innit?
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I guess you're right in reality.

All those leaders were trash not just Hitler.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 26 Mar 2016 15:15 #102

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In 1940 the Germans bombed Wexford Co- Operative Dairy directly killing at least one worker on the night shift.
Two more workers suffered grave injuries and died later.
It was a feck up. The bomber navigator thought Wexford was a British area when in fact it was, and is in the Republic of Ireland ( Eire).
Eire was neutral in the war.
In 1943 the German Government paid compensation to the Wexford Co- Op for damage to its dairy plant and also to the families of those who died.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 27 Mar 2016 00:09 #103

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In 1940 the Germans bombed Wexford Co- Operative Dairy directly killing at least one worker on the night shift.
Two more workers suffered grave injuries and died later.
It was a feck up. The bomber navigator thought Wexford was a British area when in fact it was, and is in the Republic of Ireland ( Eire).
Eire was neutral in the war.
In 1943 the German Government paid compensation to the Wexford Co- Op for damage to its dairy plant and also to the families of those who died.

So you are saying Hitler did not mean to bomb the Irish?

Because if the British attacked Germany first that would excuse Hitler for bombing England.

Honestly i'm just trying to be objective here.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 27 Mar 2016 00:35 #104

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This ... "objective" ... conversation is quite circumcised.




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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 27 Mar 2016 02:29 #105

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
This ... "objective" ... conversation is quite circumcised.

I see what you did there. :cool2:
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 27 Mar 2016 05:13 #106

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What is the point of posting links to articles about Germans bombing Eire territory if no one reads them . Well OK only one link.

truth-zone.net/forum/general-discussion/66638-why-do-white-nationalist-like-hitler-considering-he-bombed-dublin-england-and-killed-europeans.html?start=20#200134

No one comments? Must be a bunch of commentnihilists


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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 27 Mar 2016 15:10 #107

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.......... wrote:
GMP wrote:
In 1940 the Germans bombed Wexford Co- Operative Dairy directly killing at least one worker on the night shift.
Two more workers suffered grave injuries and died later.
It was a feck up. The bomber navigator thought Wexford was a British area when in fact it was, and is in the Republic of Ireland ( Eire).
Eire was neutral in the war.
In 1943 the German Government paid compensation to the Wexford Co- Op for damage to its dairy plant and also to the families of those who died.

So you are saying Hitler did not mean to bomb the Irish?

Because if the British attacked Germany first that would excuse Hitler for bombing England.

Honestly i'm just trying to be objective here.
You may not be aware that the whilst most people who live on the island or Ireland are 'Irish' the island contains six British counties with the remainder being in the Republic of Ireland ( Eire).
Eire was neutral in World War 2 hence the German government paid compensation for the bombs dropped, by mistake; on Eire.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 06:25 #108

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Germany did not deliberately bomb Dublin. A bomber left France at night to bomb Liverpool, a major port.

The bomber flew at night and was only guided by lights as to where they were. They'd left France say, flew for 2 hours, saw a city with lots of lights and thought it was Liverpool. It wasn't. The pilot had overflown Liverpool and dropped bombs on Dublin.

2 bombs were dropped. It was an accident.

Hitler apologised for the unintended deaths to the Irish Government and Ireland maintained its neutral status.

Look at what Churchill did with the deliberate firebombing of German civilian targets. That's the war crime.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 09:42 #109

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Germany did not deliberately bomb Dublin.
... saw a city with lots of lights and thought it was Liverpool. It wasn't.
... It was an accident.
Hitler apologised ...

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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 10:45 #110

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Expose yourself why don't you. I won't be paying any attention to anything you post now.
One of a series of images of the raid available from Dublin City Council.

At 2am in the morning of 31st May, Dublin, capital of neutral Ireland was bombed by the Luftwaffe. It was the most serious incident in a string of accidental bombings to hit Ireland during the war, probably attributable to navigational errors. Such errors may have resulted with British interference with the Luftwaffe navigational beams – but the British did not have the capacity to direct the beams on to a new target, only to interfere with them.

The Irish Taoiseach, Éamon de Valera, made a statement to the Irish Parliament summarising the incident:

Members of the Dáil desire to be directly associated with the expression of sympathy already tendered by the Government on behalf of the nation to the great number of our citizens who have been so cruelly bereaved by the recent bombing. Although a complete survey has not yet been possible, the latest report which I have received is that 27 persons were killed outright or subsequently died; 45 were wounded or received other serious bodily injury and are still in hospital; 25 houses were completely destroyed and 300 so damaged as to be unfit for habitation, leaving many hundreds of our people homeless.

It has been for all our citizens an occasion of profound sorrow in which the members of this House have fully shared. (Members rose in their places.) The Dáil will also desire to be associated with the expression of sincere thanks which has gone out from the Government and from our whole community to the several voluntary organisations the devoted exertions of whose members helped to confine the extent of the disaster and have mitigated the sufferings of those affected by it. As I have already informed the public, a protest has been made to the German Government. The Dáil will not expect me, at the moment, to say more on this head.

- See more at: ww2today.com/31st-may-1941-dublin-bombed-by-the-luftwaffe#sthash.3kEAXvzE.dpuf

Germany's apology to Eire following the accidental bombings.

news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19410620&id=DT5AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aVkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1636,5531054&hl=en
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 10:57 #111

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One of a series of images of the raid available from Dublin City Council.

At 2am in the morning of 31st May, Dublin, capital of neutral Ireland was bombed by the Luftwaffe. It was the most serious incident in a string of accidental bombings to hit Ireland during the war, probably attributable to navigational errors. Such errors may have resulted with British interference with the Luftwaffe navigational beams – but the British did not have the capacity to direct the beams on to a new target, only to interfere with them.

The Irish Taoiseach, Éamon de Valera, made a statement to the Irish Parliament summarising the incident:

Members of the Dáil desire to be directly associated with the expression of sympathy already tendered by the Government on behalf of the nation to the great number of our citizens who have been so cruelly bereaved by the recent bombing. Although a complete survey has not yet been possible, the latest report which I have received is that 27 persons were killed outright or subsequently died; 45 were wounded or received other serious bodily injury and are still in hospital; 25 houses were completely destroyed and 300 so damaged as to be unfit for habitation, leaving many hundreds of our people homeless.

It has been for all our citizens an occasion of profound sorrow in which the members of this House have fully shared. (Members rose in their places.) The Dáil will also desire to be associated with the expression of sincere thanks which has gone out from the Government and from our whole community to the several voluntary organisations the devoted exertions of whose members helped to confine the extent of the disaster and have mitigated the sufferings of those affected by it. As I have already informed the public, a protest has been made to the German Government. The Dáil will not expect me, at the moment, to say more on this head.

- See more at: ww2today.com/31st-may-1941-dublin-bombed-by-the-luftwaffe#sthash.3kEAXvzE.dpuf

That's right. The title of this thread is also very misleading. Germany did not go on any bombing campaign against Ireland, and the one against England was a reluctant one too. England and France declared war on Germany remember, and Ireland remained neutral. There would be no strategic or Political reasons for bombing Ireland.

People should do the necessary research before making up titles and headings that give false impressions, and indeed often mislead the reader from the outset. I'm not going to pay too much attention to this thread either, as it only serves to divert attention away from the one and only WWII thread on truth zone.

Ireland is also over 80% Catholic too. Catholics were generally quite aware of the situation back in those times, and many would have known it was the Jews who declared war on Germany in 1933, not only that but the reasons for Jewish hostility against National Socialist Germany.

Quite a few Irish volunteered for the Waffen SS btw.

Many Irish were eager supporters of Germany in WWII. Not only that 100's of Irish men and women worked in pro National Socialist propaganda departments in Ireland.

Some volunteers from Ireland even fought in SS-Jagdverband Mitte (an SS unit formed from foreign volunteers which took part in the Ardennes Offensive). Many more served as agents of the Abwehr and later of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) alongside other foreign soldiers.



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Germany had many supporters and friends amongst the Irish people, who often assisted the German war effort whenever possible. This included denying the Allies access to strategic ports and even assisting German U-Boats.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 11:17 #112

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Liverpool-Dublin on Google Earth is 218 km or 135 miles.

Taking the Heinkel He 111 bomber as example, two types; min max speed 310 km/h (193 mph), max max speed 440 km/h (273 mph) means that Dublin was between 29 and 42 minutes further flying in a straight line than Liverpool.

The idea that the highly specialised Nazi Luftwaffe was so stupid to make such a "mistake" and "accidentally" bomb Dublin instead of Liverpool is ridiculous.

No matter what the propaganda channels say.

But of course all the "accidental" bombings of the Allied Forces were in fact deliberate attacks while the Noble Nazis only made "accidental" "mistakes"; they never intended to hurt anyone with their war machines.... :iitm:
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 11:43 #113

You talk absolute crap, gaia. and clearly you have no intention whatsoever of broadening your knowledge base on this subject. You don't know what you're talking about, and just keep regurgitating the official line and all the bad propaganda that's been spoon fed to you. It's a waste of time trying to educate somebody like you. It's obvious you don't want to learn.

Don't try and make out you know what you're talking about either, you don't know what you're talking about at all. You are ignorant and completely oblivious to most if not all of the important facts.

Like i said in my previous post, the Germans had no strategic or political reasons whatsoever to bomb Ireland. Indeed many of the Irish quietly sided with Germany during WWII with movements such as the ''People's National Party'' which was closely aligned with Germany and its aims. Irish ports such as Kerry and Cork also assisted in the refuelling of German U-boats, which in turn attacked Allied ships. Why the fuck would the Germans purposefully bomb Ireland? They wouldn't. You quite clearly know next to nothing about WWII, and what you do know, or rather what you think you know, is based on lies, misconceptions and bad Allied propaganda.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 11:56 #114

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I read the title of this thread over Easter and asked an Irish friend about it.

The response was set out in my first post with an expression of that 'you're asking about that? That's a complete aberration. It was an accident.'

I was told of the German apology and Ireland remaining neutral.

My friend was far more enlivened talking about the recent 100 year anniversary of the Irish uprising against Britain and kicking the English out of Ireland. The Irish aren't fond of the English ... 300 plus years of oppression trying to starve them to death and stealing their land.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 12:16 #115

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You talk absolute crap, gaia. and clearly you have no intention whatsoever of broadening your knowledge base on this subject. You don't know what you're talking about, and just keep regurgitating the official line and all the bad propaganda that's been spoon fed to you. It's a waste of time trying to educate somebody like you. It's obvious you don't want to learn.

Don't try and make out you know what you're talking about either, you don't know what you're talking about at all. You are ignorant and completely oblivious to most if not all of the important facts.

Repetitive ignorance-claiming doesn't mean arguments.

I am equally skeptical about Allied "mistakes", because I think warfare is a much dirtier game where those "mistakes" can maybe happen once, but the organisation and planning, including fuel consumption, briefings, etc. is far too tight to have so many "mistakes".
Like i said in my previous post, the Germans had no strategic or political reasons whatsoever to bomb Ireland.

You have, just as I, not a single clue on what "strategic or political reasons" the Nazis had. We are fed propaganda from all sides. I try to see through that and not take some opinion from a webpage seriously. No matter if it's "alternative" or "main stream".
Indeed many of the Irish quietly sided with Germany during WWII with movements such as the ''People's National Party''

If they "quietly sided", how do you know they did?
If they "quietly sided", how do you know that they were "many"?
There have been pro-fascist parties in various countries in Europe. People clinging to fascism following the vast propaganda. Nothing different from people voting for "democratic" parties, who also cannot function without propaganda.
which was closely aligned with Germany and its aims. Irish ports such as Kerry and Cork also assisted in refuelling of German U-boats, which in turn attacked Allied ships. Why the fuck would the Germans purposefully bomb Ireland? They wouldn't. You quite clearly know next to nothing about WWII, and what you do know, or rather what you think you know, is based on lies, misconceptions and bad Allied propaganda.

There can be reasons enough for the military strategists to bomb neutral countries. Dragging other countries into war, false flag attempts, bomb-and-watch-reaction strategies. Both you and me can impossibly know what the motives of the Nazi Luftwaffe were.

I am highly skeptical, doesn't mean I follow Allied propaganda, everything but.

But I also know that in your world "Germany" (which was not Germany, but Nazi-Germany, sly Newspeak to paint the nazis as working in "German interest") couldn't do anything wrong.

In my world all the powers were horrible in their actions. Axis countries AND Allies. Not just the Allies, like you want to reshape history.

So we have 3 different views:
1 - MSM propaganda in the West - Allies = good, noble - Nazis = evil, horrible
2 - Zorro and his TZ groupies (Pfizipfei, Flare, Lizzy, Voltaire) - Allies = bad, horrible, jews - Nazis = noble, wanted to save the world
3 - Gaia - Allied Forces (politicians, military leaders) = bad, horrible - Nazi Forces (politicians, military leaders) = bad, horrible - Allied minions - brainwashed souls, hard to blame them when the propaganda was so strong and no internet or other methods for skepticism - Nazi minions - brainwashed souls, hard to blame them when the propaganda was so strong and no internet or other methods for skepticism - civilian victims of any race, colour, country, religion, culture, flag - poor souls bombed, shot, kidnapped and brought to death by psychopathic forces and their minions

Strawmanning "Allied propagandist" to me is showing you have no answers. And what's worse; you don't read what I write, you already made your mind up and there's nothing that can change that.

That's called belief. Goes well with your iron belief in the nobility of the nazis, that's for sure.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 12:19 #116

That's right, Orange. The Germans did not go to war against or deliberately bomb Ireland, on the contrary. If anybody had a strategic reason to bomb Ireland it was the Allies, due to the Irish denying the Allies access to strategic ports, and the Irish assisting the German U-Boat service.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 12:26 #117

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So, that recent Coast episode I saw which talked about the Allies and Ireland having a secret agreement to allow Allied planes to fly across Ireland to attack German subs and U-boats, was a load of propagandistic bollocks?
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 12:27 #118

Gaia, you're not trying to see through anything at all. You are just going through the motions of trying to appear impartial, while actually arriving at the same point due to your own confirmation bias, which is based on lies and bad propaganda.. You're basically like somebody who's reading a map upside down, and ends up going around in circles. I don't think you want to learn. Therefore it's a complete waste of my time trying to debate with you. You will only try to use it as an opportunity to implant more of your spin anyhow. Not going to happen with me.
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 12:37 #119

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Gaia, you're not trying to see through anything at all. You are just going through the motions of trying to appear impartial, while actually arriving at the same point due to your own confirmation bias, which is based on lies and bad propaganda.. You're basically like somebody who's reading a map upside down, and ends up going around in circles. I don't think you want to learn. Therefore it's a complete waste of my time trying to debate with you. You will only try to use it as an opportunity to implant more of your spin anyhow. Not going to happen with me.
I am learning everyday, so your comment is rather silly.

The difference between you (and Flare, who I've debated for quite some time) and me is that I do not believe things that easily. I am a natural skeptic and after years of awakening research and insights that only grew.

Your position is: "I know the truth and I am going to preach it. Anyone who does not believe MY truth is following Allied propaganda".
My position is: "I don't know the truth, nobody knows the truth and I see things that can definitely be not true (e.g. The Holocaust Story) and other things I am skeptical about if they are true"

I've explained my surprise about a pro-Hitler/pro-Nazi stance in the Adolf Hitler thread. It really baffles me you (and Flare and the others) cannot see through the nazi propaganda, where you can with the Allied propaganda.

But feel free to ignore any nasty critical questions and arguments. I wouldn't want to cause a feeling of anxiety in you; after all you've found The Truth and that "truth" is that the Nazis were the Good Guys and all the lies are uniquely spread by Ze Jews who took over all the Allies.

The question in the OP has by the way not been addressed; how can you defend someone who bombed OTHER white people to death if you want the White Race to flourish? Even if Dublin was "oops, ein Fehler", then still England, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, France, Poland, Greece, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and even (Soviet)Russia were countries FULL of white people, killed by "The Great Defender of The White Race".

You don't mind me saying "that doesn't make any sense"? :)
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Is WW2 the most shameful thing to ever happen to the white race? 29 Mar 2016 13:02 #120

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War is brutal - both sides were bombing. Why did war break out? Which interests wanted war?


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