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Adolf Hitler 09 Jan 2019 11:32 #4421

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"Lebensraum" had nothing to do with 'conquering' other countries for the Germans to settle in, but it had to do with Germany regaining their lost territories due to the Versailles Treaty and their rights to have colonies (which were stolen from them, due to Verstailles) ...

Conquering other countries like Greece and setting foot on Scandinavian soil had nothing to do with lost former German territories from the Versailles treaty, nor (quite rightly) lebenstraum. It was more megolomania having successfully already ravaged France and Benelux.

I would take issue with your constant references to Hitler wanting peace. Only at the very outset this was so. Any head of state who wants peace does not systematically set about annexing neighbouring territory and invading foreign countries. Hitler was not justified in ravaging Europe, causing untold misery and devastation to a succession of foreign peoples.
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miacat wrote:
Flare wrote:
"Lebensraum" had nothing to do with 'conquering' other countries for the Germans to settle in, but it had to do with Germany regaining their lost territories due to the Versailles Treaty and their rights to have colonies (which were stolen from them, due to Verstailles) ...

Conquering other countries like Greece and setting foot on Scandinavian soil had nothing to do with lost former German territories from the Versailles treaty, nor (quite rightly) lebenstraum. It was more megolomania having successfully already ravaged France and Benelux.

I would take issue with your constant references to Hitler wanting peace. Only at the very outset this was so. Any head of state who wants peace does not systematically set about annexing neighbouring territory and invading foreign countries. Hitler was not justified in ravaging Europe, causing untold misery and devastation to a succession of foreign peoples.

The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

As there's more to the story than meets the eye.

Have a read....

THE TRUTH ABOUT HITLER'S INVASION OF SCANDINAVIA



TOP SECRET!


For this presentation, we'll just present the hard data from the pen of Winston Churchill himself, and some images from the Fake News of the day. Other than some basic commentary, we will step out of the way, and let the reader connect the dots for himself.


JANUARY, 1940

Though war upon Germany had been declared by Britain and France in September, 1939, there had been minimal action among the warring parties. The text of a top-secret document, written by Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, detailed a plan for first entangling Germany in the Scandinavian theater, thus drawing Sweden and Norway to Britain's side.

The document is reproduced below.

THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT

Printed for the War Cabinet. January 1940.

SECRET. ^/ Copy No.

W.P. (40) 3.

TO BE KEPT UNDER LOCK AND KEY.

It is requested that special care may be taken to ensure the secrecy of this document.

WAR CABINET.

SWEDISH IRON ORE.

Comments by First Lord of the Admiralty on Chiefs of Staff Report,

WITH many of the larger arguments of the Chiefs of Staff's report (W.P: (39) 179) 1 am in full accord. But I fear that its effect will lead to a purely negative conclusion, and that nothing- will be done.

2. The self-contained minor operation of slopping the ore from Narvik and at Oxelosund must not be tried because it would jeopardise the larger plan.

The larger plan must not be attempted unless Sweden and Norway co-operate. Not merely must they not resist militarily, or adopt a purely passive attitude, but they must actively co-operate (paragraphs 15 and 1<>).

3. Rut is there any prospect of Sweden and Norway actively co-operating with us of their own free will to bring about a series of operations which, as is well set out in the paper, will —

(a) Ruin the trade of their iron held and the shipping which carries it.

(6) Involve them in war with Germany.

(c) Expose the whole southern part of both countries to German invasion

and occupation.

Left to themselves they will certainly refuse, and, if pressed diplomatically, they will protest loudly to the world. Thus the minor operation is knocked out for the sake of the bigger, and the bigger is only declared practicable upon renditions which will not occur.

4. The only way in which the desired train of events can, perhaps, be set in motion is by the practical step of stopping the Narvik ore. This causes little injury to Norway and Sweden and is the minimum violation of their neutrality. It is not comparable to an act of invasion of their soil. Nevertheless, as this paper shows, it may bring about a violent German reaction. If this reaction takes the form of the invasion of southern Norway and southern Sweden, then alone will the offence be given to those countries, which will make them take up arms in self- defence, and this will be the moment when they will look to us for aid and be willing to open to us the passage to the northern orefields. Thus the minor operation, far from jeopardising the major, is, in fact, the only way by which the major is likely to become possible.

In short, the object of the minor operation is to provoke a German reaction which will secure us the Norwegian and Swedish co-operation deemed essential.

[20560]

5. The only sequence of events which seems to offer any prospect of successful action is the following : —

(z). — Offer general assurances of support to Norway and Sweden against both Germany and Russia.

(z-3). — Inform them of our intention to interrupt the Narvik ore.

(z-41. — Let the flotillas act on the Norwegian coast.

(Any time before z-30). — Take all possible measures at Oxelosund.

Meanwhile, at once make preparation secretly for the winter force to occupy the ironfield. Await German reaction on the south coasts of Norway and Sweden. Should this take the form of invasion and the Swedes and Norwegians be forced on to our side, then offer the fullest support in our power.

w. s. c.

December 31, 1939.



Today, the British Mad Dog's top secret plan for bringing the war to neutral Scandinavia is now open for all to see. (here)


APRIL, 1940

As planned, Churchill's Scandinavian scheme draws Germany into invading (to protect its iron ore shipments and preserve the neutrality of the Scandinavian countries). But notice the anti-German spin from the Fake News of the day -- which makes no mention of Churchill's plot. Because Germany was able to convince Norway and Denmark of their peaceful intentions, Scandinavian resistance quickly faded away and Scandinavia remained peaceful, until the allies dislodged the Germans in 1944-45.



Exactly as Churchill's secret document had previously stated, Germany would be blamed for "invading." It's amazing how they got away with distorting reality -- and still are!



1. OPROP! was a German leaflet dropped over Denmark during the invasion of April 9,1940. The text, written in Danish mixed with Norwegian, justified the German action as a necessary protection of Scandinavian neutrality against British aggression, denounced Winston Churchill as a warmongerer, and asked the Danish people not to resist the German presence while an agreement with the Danish government was being negotiated. 2 & 3. Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian political leader who worked to keep Norway out of the war. To that end, he confirmed for the Germans the truth about Churchill's plans to bring the war to Scandinavia, and urged his countrymen to accept German protection of its neutrality. Quisling's name is now an English language word -- "quisling" -- defined in the dictionary as: "a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country." This is a totally unfair and gross misrepresentation of Quisling's patriotic actions.


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Adolf Hitler 10 Jan 2019 23:42 #4424

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miacat wrote:
Flare wrote:
"Lebensraum" had nothing to do with 'conquering' other countries for the Germans to settle in, but it had to do with Germany regaining their lost territories due to the Versailles Treaty and their rights to have colonies (which were stolen from them, due to Verstailles) ...

Conquering other countries like Greece and setting foot on Scandinavian soil had nothing to do with lost former German territories from the Versailles treaty, nor (quite rightly) lebenstraum. It was more megolomania having successfully already ravaged France and Benelux.

I would take issue with your constant references to Hitler wanting peace. Only at the very outset this was so. Any head of state who wants peace does not systematically set about annexing neighbouring territory and invading foreign countries. Hitler was not justified in ravaging Europe, causing untold misery and devastation to a succession of foreign peoples.

There is no reasoning with those ZioNazis possible, miacat. They have turned the (((Hollywood Story))) and blind Churchill admiration to the other side and follow the (((Dolfywood Story))) and blind Hitler admiration.

The tragic thing is that they call themselves "awake", failing to recognize that both "sides" of the same psycho coin were controlled and gearing up for war. The war machine of the Nazis was funded by the same Zionist banksters and industrialists that funded Winston and Josif and they used it for the same goals; subverting common people to their sick ideologies, extorting money from the common people, killing common people and lying about it.

(((Eddy Bernays))) would have been very proud seeing his pupil (((Joseph Goebbels))) managed to indoctrinate these fools for 70+ years...
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Flare wrote:
..The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

When Hitler came to power in 1933 he quickly got Germany back on its feet over the next 6 years and things were looking good for all Germans and nobody was threatening to invade them.
So why didn't Hitler just carry on building up Germany into a thriving prosperous nation for the rest of his life instead of invading Poland?
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Adolf Hitler 11 Jan 2019 00:10 #4426

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Flare wrote:
..The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

When Hitler came to power in 1933 he quickly got Germany back on its feet over the next 6 years and things were looking good for all Germans and nobody was threatening to invade them.
So why didn't Hitler just carry on building up Germany into a thriving prosperous nation for the rest of his life instead of invading Poland?

Excellent question.

You would think that if the Nazis really were nationalists and "all for maintaining the "Aryan people"", they would have kept to their own nation and build up Germany even more.

But no, they went on a rampage around Europe, Africa, Argentina and SE Asia... hmmm... :ponda:
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Ugh wrote:
Flare wrote:
..The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

When Hitler came to power in 1933 he quickly got Germany back on its feet over the next 6 years and things were looking good for all Germans and nobody was threatening to invade them.
So why didn't Hitler just carry on building up Germany into a thriving prosperous nation for the rest of his life instead of invading Poland?


Have a read here Ugh, as I have explained this multiple times and as the same people keep asking the same question I have issued a seperate thread for this :right: truth-zone.net/forum/history/69842-why-germany-invaded-all-the-surrounding-european-countries.html#276898
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Gaia wrote:
Ugh wrote:
Flare wrote:
..The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

When Hitler came to power in 1933 he quickly got Germany back on its feet over the next 6 years and things were looking good for all Germans and nobody was threatening to invade them.
So why didn't Hitler just carry on building up Germany into a thriving prosperous nation for the rest of his life instead of invading Poland?

Excellent question.

You would think that if the Nazis really were nationalists and "all for maintaining the "Aryan people"", they would have kept to their own nation and build up Germany even more.

But no, they went on a rampage around Europe, Africa, Argentina and SE Asia... hmmm... :ponda:

Argentina and SE Asia? :roll:

You been smoking funny stuff again?

May I note that you totally forget about the moves of British forces in and around Europe which made it necessary for Germany to make counter ‘defensive’ manoeuvres in order to protect their assets like steel and oil supplies?

Besides that, keep in mind that all countries surrounding Germany were under jewish/Masonic control (ZOG) also, and were freed from that by the Germans.

It’s pretty clear that your knowledge about WW II is of Donald Duck level. :chuckle:
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Flare wrote:
The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

I take issue with you suggesting I am indoctrinated with childlike simplistic views over Hitler and WW2. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself just who exactly is indoctrinated.

War is war. There is no getting away from Germany being an aggressive invader and destroying huge swathes of foreign lands. I do not need Hollywood to tell me of the destruction Germany wreaked for six years - I can safely leave that to the millions of non-Germans whose lands were invaded, who lost their homes, lost their families, whose towns and cities were reduced to rubble, who became refugees overnight. Had you yourself been a war victim and had to flee your birthplace I'm pretty sure your outlook would be significantly altered.

It seems to me you are intent on justifying Germany's actions, and to some degree blaming the West for Hitler ordering the conquest of of other countries. Nobody held a gun to his head telling him to invade Greece, for instance, did they? Not satisfied with initial annexation, he went on to march his armies across most of Europe and North Africa, then made the mistake of turning to Russia. There were even late plans afoot to manufacture long range bombers that could target America - or do you call that more propaganda???

While the West was not blameless on a number of counts, nobody can seriously place the responsibilty of ravaging Europe on anyone's hands other than Hitler's. Ultimately he was a fool - a fool to wage war on an unprecedented scale; a fool to think he could conquer virtually all of Europe; a fool sacrifice his grand notions of a Third Reich through a war which resulted in his own country's devastation; a fool to think he could sometimes pacify and conquer through leaflet drops :yerright: ; even more of a fool to ignore the sound advice of his vastly more experienced army chiefs with particular relevance to Russia; and a fool once in power to take up arms instead of using diplomacy to right perceived wrongs, however taxing that might be.

Whatever 'good' points this man may have had they are, in my view, far outweighed by his megalomaniacal and delusional idea of stamping the Third Reich brand across the world. I keep hearing the repeated mantra "Hitler Wanted Peace". Are we talking Orwell's 1984 Ministry of Peace? Or was he employing doublethink?
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Well said, miacat.

And isn't it "funny" the Nazi fanboys don't even know their "own" "Donald Duck" history? :emo:

Nazi warfare in:
- Argentina
- SE Asia

Claiming Scandinavian steel and aluminum as "own assets". So far for "nationalism"... :facepalm:
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Because of the danger of British or German occupation and of the war being waged on their territory, both the Swedes and the Norwegians refused the transit requests.

Meanwhile, the Germans having realised the British threat, were making plans for a possible pre-emptive invasion [Georg W. Busch, anyone??] of Norway in order to protect their strategic supply lines. The Altmark Incident of 16 February 1940 convinced Hitler that the British would not respect Norwegian neutrality, and he ordered the plans for an invasion hastened.
The (Not So) Neutrals of WWII
''Sweden was not neutral, Sweden was weak,'' said Arne Ruth, a Swedish journalist who has written a book on the Third Reich. ''Its sales of iron ore made an important contribution to the German effort. It allowed German troops and weaponry through its territory to Norway."
Norwegian industry complied with German war efforts
Seventy-three years ago, on 9 April 1940, Nazi Germany attacked and occupied Norway. The Germans needed aluminium to win the war. But rather than resist their German occupiers, Norwegian industry leaders chose to cooperate instead.
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Flare wrote:
The idea of "Hitler going about invading country after country because he was an evil dictator who wanted to conquer the world" is an idea of childlike simplicity indoctrinated into you by (((Hollywood))) and our (((educational system))).

I take issue with you suggesting I am indoctrinated with childlike simplistic views over Hitler and WW2. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself just who exactly is indoctrinated.

War is war. There is no getting away from Germany being an aggressive invader and destroying huge swathes of foreign lands. I do not need Hollywood to tell me of the destruction Germany wreaked for six years - I can safely leave that to the millions of non-Germans whose lands were invaded, who lost their homes, lost their families, whose towns and cities were reduced to rubble, who became refugees overnight. Had you yourself been a war victim and had to flee your birthplace I'm pretty sure your outlook would be significantly altered.

It seems to me you are intent on justifying Germany's actions, and to some degree blaming the West for Hitler ordering the conquest of of other countries. Nobody held a gun to his head telling him to invade Greece, for instance, did they? Not satisfied with initial annexation, he went on to march his armies across most of Europe and North Africa, then made the mistake of turning to Russia. There were even late plans afoot to manufacture long range bombers that could target America - or do you call that more propaganda???

While the West was not blameless on a number of counts, nobody can seriously place the responsibilty of ravaging Europe on anyone's hands other than Hitler's. Ultimately he was a fool - a fool to wage war on an unprecedented scale; a fool to think he could conquer virtually all of Europe; a fool sacrifice his grand notions of a Third Reich through a war which resulted in his own country's devastation; a fool to think he could sometimes pacify and conquer through leaflet drops :yerright: ; even more of a fool to ignore the sound advice of his vastly more experienced army chiefs with particular relevance to Russia; and a fool once in power to take up arms instead of using diplomacy to right perceived wrongs, however taxing that might be.

Whatever 'good' points this man may have had they are, in my view, far outweighed by his megalomaniacal and delusional idea of stamping the Third Reich brand across the world. I keep hearing the repeated mantra "Hitler Wanted Peace". Are we talking Orwell's 1984 Ministry of Peace? Or was he employing doublethink?

^ You sound like a WW II documentary on Discovery channel... for 100%
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Ugh wrote-...So why didn't Hitler just carry on building up Germany into a thriving prosperous nation for the rest of his life instead of invading Poland?
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Have a read here Ugh, as I have explained this multiple times and as the same people keep asking the same question I have issued a seperate thread for this :right: truth-zone.net/forum/history/69842-why-germany-invaded-all-the-surrounding-european-countries.html#276898

No offence mate but as I've said to posters many times- when I ask a simple straight question on any subject I prefer a simple straight answer in just a few short sentences in their own words (take it as a compliment) because I don't want to be shunted off to a link or video that does your talking for you, I just can't be assed unless perhaps its a very short link or vid.
We holy men like short sharp 'blitzkrieg-style' replies...:)
"The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?" (Bible:Ecclesiastes 6:11)

As a compromise I'd suggest to all members that they firstly answer questions briefly in their own words, and also include a link or vid for good measure in case anybody wants to look at them..:)
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It’s remarkable how people question why Germany invaded Scandinavia, and that I posted the exact reason why including the necessary evidence, that the same people act like if the post doesn’t exist. :chuckle:

How can someone call him-/herself a genuine truther when one refuses to look into any crucial information from the get-go?
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It’s remarkable how people question why Germany invaded Scandinavia, and that I posted the exact reason why including the necessary evidence, that the same people act like if the post doesn’t exist. :chuckle:
How can someone call him-/herself a genuine truther when one refuses to look into any crucial information from the get-go?

It's pretty common knowledge that Adolf invaded Norway to protect his iron ore supply lines coming from Sweden so that he could build more tanks and planes etc, or am I missing something?
I'm a moderator at the Mission4Today war forum as 'PoorOldSpike' and was a mod at other war forums before that, so I already know something about the subject..:)
Regarding WW2 in general, my short sharp opinion is that Hitler had a touch of paranoia and imagined other countries might invade him, so he invaded them first.
Pity, because if he'd stuck to being a politician and building up Germany, history would probably regard him as a great man
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Poland had no intention of invading Germany in 1939, so Hitler therefore had no excuse for invading them..:)
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Ugh wrote:
Flare wrote:
It’s remarkable how people question why Germany invaded Scandinavia, and that I posted the exact reason why including the necessary evidence, that the same people act like if the post doesn’t exist. :chuckle:
How can someone call him-/herself a genuine truther when one refuses to look into any crucial information from the get-go?

It's pretty common knowledge that Adolf invaded Norway to protect his iron ore supply lines coming from Sweden so that he could build more tanks and planes etc, or am I missing something?
I'm a moderator at the Mission4Today war forum as 'PoorOldSpike' and was a mod at other war forums before that, so I already know something about the subject..:)
Regarding WW2 in general, my short sharp opinion is that Hitler had a touch of paranoia and imagined other countries might invade him, so he invaded them first.
Pity, because if he'd stuck to being a politician and building up Germany, history would probably regard him as a great man
..:)




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Poland had no intention of invading Germany in 1939, so Hitler therefore had no excuse for invading them..:)

They even needed a false flag to start invading; dressing up SS staff as Poles and beating up innocent Germans.
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The ZioNazi dogma can be summarized in one simple sentence: "Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi".

Never heard of that mate, hadn't they used to be a pop group?
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Adolf Hitler 11 Jan 2019 21:33 #4440

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Gaia wrote:
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Poland had no intention of invading Germany in 1939, so Hitler therefore had no excuse for invading them..:)

They even needed a false flag to start invading; dressing up SS staff as Poles and beating up innocent Germans.


:right: The Gleiwitz “False Flag” Incident is Pure Fiction
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes
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