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TOPIC: Judaism vs. Zionism

Judaism vs. Zionism 05 Jun 2018 12:31 #1

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I learned about the difference between Judaism and Zionism years ago by listening to the Jeff Rense Program. It was in discussions there that it was pointed out that Judaism is a religion that is associated with Jews, but that Jewish people are not the same as Zionists.

Zionists are racists. They believe themselves to be superior.

Zionists will mistreat Jews just as they mistreat anyone outside of their own group.

I like this article posted December 7, 2009 on Rense's site. It is written by a Jewish American analyst, Stephen Lendman:

Jews Against Zionism
At its core, Zionism is fundamentally racist,
extremist, undemocratic, and militant

By Stephen Lendman

They're numerous, outspoken, and range from secular to orthodox to one group calling itself "True Torah Jews Against Zionism."

They believe that "traditional" Jews don't support Zionism, an ideology they call "contrary to Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah." They say Zionism:

-- advocates "a political and military end to the Jewish exile;"

-- fosters "pseudo-Judaism" based on secular nationalism;

-- coercively seeks "armed materialism" in place of "a Divine and Torah centered understanding;"

-- endangers all Jews worldwide;

-- wants to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from ideological Zionism; and

-- calls Israel a "Zionist State," not a Jewish one. . .

www.rense.com/general88/lnd.htm
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Judaism vs. Zionism 05 Jun 2018 13:25 #2

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Connect Dots wrote:
I learned about the difference between Judaism and Zionism years ago by listening to the Jeff Rense Program. It was in discussions there that it was pointed out that Judaism is a religion that is associated with Jews, but that Jewish people are not the same as Zionists.

Zionists are racists. They believe themselves to be superior.

Zionists will mistreat Jews just as they mistreat anyone outside of their own group.

I like this article posted December 7, 2009 on Rense's site. It is written by a Jewish American analyst, Stephen Lendman:

Jews Against Zionism
At its core, Zionism is fundamentally racist,
extremist, undemocratic, and militant

By Stephen Lendman

They're numerous, outspoken, and range from secular to orthodox to one group calling itself "True Torah Jews Against Zionism."

They believe that "traditional" Jews don't support Zionism, an ideology they call "contrary to Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah." They say Zionism:

-- advocates "a political and military end to the Jewish exile;"

-- fosters "pseudo-Judaism" based on secular nationalism;

-- coercively seeks "armed materialism" in place of "a Divine and Torah centered understanding;"

-- endangers all Jews worldwide;

-- wants to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from ideological Zionism; and

-- calls Israel a "Zionist State," not a Jewish one. . .

www.rense.com/general88/lnd.htm

Many Jews are Zionists, as are people of other religions.

The British Board of Jewish deputies report at least 70% of British "Jews" support the State of Israel (Zionism) and imo the crimes they commit.

Religious Jews who are classed as non-Zionists are also a problem for the non-Jewish populations because they follow the most

supremacist ideology of all, called the TALMUD.

So, to conclude, Zionist or non-Zionist religious Jews are supremacists. Imo I wish they would all relocate to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and leave the rest of the world alone.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

From Jeff Rense too. The Talmud, facts are facts:

rense.com/general86/talmd.htm

One example of many from the Talmud:

Zohar, Vayshlah 177b

"That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general. A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured."

That quote sums up what we see in the world today. ZOG Governments, predominately Jewish financial control in Wall Street and the Corporation of the City of London and no regard for the lives of non-Jewish people in general.

That's why they are so few Jews in the military (except of course in Israel). The stupid Goyim fight and die for Jewish interests, Zionist or not.
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Judaism vs. Zionism 30 Jul 2018 15:07 #3

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There is no difference between Judaism and Zionism, it's all one and the same.
"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party owned by Jewish Wallstreet gives a flying fuck about you."- Myself

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Former Russian Soviet dissidents and now presently the American working class.

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"Globalism, internationalism, and civic nationalism means the death of western civilization where instead we must install an ethnic racial form of nationalism."- Myself

"The United States is a Jewish and Zionist owned corporate plantation or labor prison." - Myself

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Judaism vs. Zionism 03 Mar 2019 23:34 #4

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Sword And Hammer wrote:
There is no difference between Judaism and Zionism, it's all one and the same.
Well, there are Jews who oppose Zionism.

Here is an example: Jews Against Zionism by Stephen Lendman.
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Judaism vs. Zionism 03 Mar 2019 23:48 #5

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and there's Non-Jewish Zionists
You can't fix stupid
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Judaism vs. Zionism 04 Mar 2019 00:28 #6

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Rocco wrote:
and there's Non-Jewish Zionists
Yes, that's true!
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Judaism vs. Zionism 06 Mar 2019 10:19 #7

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Zionism is evidence that the NWO is far-Right, Rocco likes Zionism, he's on the side of the Rothschilds and all other such Capitalist banking corporations. His MO is - shill for Israel and keep the wealthy globalist players in position.

Ross saw how Trump had the ability to sway masses of people, something certainly not missed by his bosses at Rothschild. So he struck a sweetheart bankruptcy deal for Trump, where he would relinquish a 50% stake in his Atlantic City, NJ Taj Mahal casino in return for better debt terms and a Presidency to be named later.

Rothschild and their City of London partners in crime, not only got a new East Coast money laundering center in Atlantic City. They now had their straw man Trump by the balls.

Later Ross would partner with Jared Kushner in buying commercial properties in New York through Invesco. Jared married Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who prior to that had been dating Lord Jacob Rothschild’s son Nat. Ross got behind Trump’s candidacy and would later be named Commerce Secretary hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/why-trump-is-a-rothschild-tool/.


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Judaism vs. Zionism 06 Mar 2019 10:48 #8

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Representation of investors in casinos owned by Donald Trump
In the 1980s, Donald Trump was in financial trouble. His three casinos in Atlantic City were under foreclosure threat from lenders. Ross, who was then the senior managing director of Rothschild Inc., represented investors in the casino. Along with Carl Icahn, Ross convinced bondholders to strike a deal with Trump that allowed Trump to keep control of the casinos.[17][18]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Ross
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Judaism vs. Zionism 06 Mar 2019 11:02 #9

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I learned about the difference between Judaism and Zionism years ago by listening to the Jeff Rense Program. It was in discussions there that it was pointed out that Judaism is a religion that is associated with Jews, but that Jewish people are not the same as Zionists.

Zionists are racists. They believe themselves to be superior.

what i have learned from speaking to people online is that there are all kinds of supremacists

for example there was a guardian columnist who was a feminist lesbian who said that men should be locked inside concentration camps and that women could go and visit them there. So she is an example of a female supremacist

I've heard non white posters blame everything on 'whiteness' with the implication being that if you remove whiteness from the world all the worlds problems will just disappear!

Christian zionists ultimately believe that there is going to be a rapture where everyone who is not one of them will basically be vapourised and their souls sent to hell for all eternity

There are islamists who want to build their own caliphate which they want to expand to cover the globe

There most definately are jewish supremacists too. Some zionists simply want a homeland for jewish people and that's a position i have sympathies with although i want to see a compromise with the palestineans that allows them a homeland too

Some zionists aren't jewish. other zionists are jewish. Some zionists want israel to remain as it is while others want to expand it. Some want it reduced to pre 1967 borders

There are ALL kinds of viewpoints out there

There is however a plan which is pursued by some zionists to create a 'greater israel' which they believe is the biblical israel and is therefore theirs by right. There are also some religious jews who believe that the destiny of the jewish people is to rule over all other peoples as the chosen people of god and there are other jewish people who don't believe that or aren't living that belief in their day to day lives

How many people are there who subscribe to the various viewpoints and what do the elites subscribe to are interesting questions to ponder. This survey revealed the following stat:

Survey: Record Number of Israeli Jews Believe in God
First comprehensive study in a decade also shows that 70 percent of Israelis believe the Jews are the 'Chosen People.'
Nir Hasson
Jan 27, 2012 1:07 AM
The study also found that 70 percent of respondents believe the Jews are the "Chosen People," 65 percent believe the Torah and mitzvot (religious commandments ) are God-given, and 56 percent believe in life after death. Overall, the survey found an increase in attachment to Jewish religion and tradition from 1999 to 2009, following a decrease from 1991 to 1999, which was the decade of mass immigration from the former Soviet Union. Among other things, it found that less than half of Israeli Jews think that, in a clash between Jewish law and democracy, democratic values should always prevail. The study, conducted by the Israel Democracy Institute's Guttman Center for Surveys and the Avi Chai Foundation, is based on interviews with 2,803 Israeli Jews.
www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5175991

The important thing to bare in mind imo is that all people are individuals with their own views and that each person should be taken as they come because ultimately we are all human beings.....being humans
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Judaism vs. Zionism 06 Mar 2019 11:08 #10

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Zionism is evidence that the NWO is far-Right, Rocco likes Zionism, he's on the side of the Rothschilds and all other such Capitalist banking corporations. His MO is - shill for Israel and keep the wealthy globalist players in position.

Ross saw how Trump had the ability to sway masses of people, something certainly not missed by his bosses at Rothschild. So he struck a sweetheart bankruptcy deal for Trump, where he would relinquish a 50% stake in his Atlantic City, NJ Taj Mahal casino in return for better debt terms and a Presidency to be named later.

Rothschild and their City of London partners in crime, not only got a new East Coast money laundering center in Atlantic City. They now had their straw man Trump by the balls.

Later Ross would partner with Jared Kushner in buying commercial properties in New York through Invesco. Jared married Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who prior to that had been dating Lord Jacob Rothschild’s son Nat. Ross got behind Trump’s candidacy and would later be named Commerce Secretary hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/why-trump-is-a-rothschild-tool/.


It's ^this mob which Rocco shills for.
Thank you for your post.

I have to say that I am cautiously a Trump supporter, but I DO HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF HIS SON-IN-LAW.

Robert David Steele cautiously supports Pres. Trump, but at the same time will acknowledge the danger of having Jared Kushner in the White House.

It may be that Trump supporters will have to relinquish their support if it turns out that Zionism gains ground because of this weakness in Trump's presidency.
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I have to say that I am cautiously a Trump supporter, but I DO HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF HIS SON-IN-LAW

trumps main funder was arch zionist sheldon adelson who says that assimilation of jews with other people is destroying the jewish people
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You're a liar Frothy. You're shilling for the Globalists
You can't fix stupid
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iamawaveofthesea wrote:
trumps main funder was arch zionist sheldon adelson who says that assimilation of jews with other people is destroying the jewish people
I hear you.

But Pres.Trump seems to me to have his heart in the right place.

He seems to be genuinely fighting pedophilia, which is a huge problem in government.

He seems to be genuinely trying to restore the economy of the United States.

He seems to be trying to stop illegal immigration, which is part of the modus operandi of globalists seeking to break down nations in order to get their coveted New World Order.
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You're a liar Frothy. You're shilling for the Globalists

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The following link is to excerpts from an article by Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946), a Jewish anti-Zionist lawyer, banker, and diplomat who was born in Germany: Zionism Is a Fallacy.

I think that we've all been brain-washed to think that to be a Jew is to be a Zionist, but that is a concept that is not true.
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Frothy wrote:
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You're a liar Frothy. You're shilling for the Globalists

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The following link is to excerpts from an article by Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946), a Jewish anti-Zionist lawyer, banker, and diplomat who was born in Germany: Zionism Is a Fallacy.

I think that we've all been brain-washed to think that to be a Jew is to be a Zionist, but that is a concept that is not true.

Trump is compromised and Alex Jones shills for him, so does Rocco, the reason Trump is anti-Muslim is because of Israel, he;s being like Israel, it's also why he wants the wall, which would do next to nothing to stop migration or drug trafficking, most of which comes through the ports, with much of the drug trafficking also through the US mail service.

The concept of the wall is a sign, it's a sign to Israel, ''we want a wall too, we love you''.

Trump wants the tax payers to fund his wall to please Israel, it's a supportive position 'let's be like Israel'
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Judaism vs. Zionism 06 Mar 2019 12:28 #20

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Connect Dots wrote:
The following link is to excerpts from an article by Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946), a Jewish anti-Zionist lawyer, banker, and diplomat who was born in Germany: Zionism Is a Fallacy.

I think that we've all been brain-washed to think that to be a Jew is to be a Zionist, but that is a concept that is not true.
The JQ has been around along time before anyone ever heard of "Zionism" . "Zionism" is a smokescreen to divert attention away from the Globalists, Marxists, Trotskyists, Bolsheviks, Judaists, and Talmudists. Jewish Supremacism is the problem. "Zionism" is only a small part of it.
When you focus on "Zionism" you're missing the big picture
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